Re: Setting X11BASE
Quoting Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] (from Mon, 21 May 2007 14:57:39 -0400): On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 11:49:32AM +0200, Alexander Leidinger wrote: Quoting Paul Schmehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] (from Sun, 20 May 2007 16:28:56 -0500): It would be nice if every port that you use on a headless system didn't require xorg libraries, but I suppose that's unrealistic. Add this to your make.conf: ---snip--- WITHOUT_X11=yes NO_X11=yes# needed in the past and maybe still needed ---snip--- Recompile every port you need which depends upon the x11 libs (e.g. gd and php). Deinstall the x11 ports. Better would be to put this into make.conf before installing any port, this way no x11 libs should be pulled in as a dependency from the beginning. I think NO_X11 is a NOP. It should be, but once I stumbled upon this. Also WITHOUT_X11 will only disable X support in ports for which it is optional. Many (probably most) ports that require X cannot work without it, and if such a port is either specified explicitly or pulled in as a dependency then you'll get what you asked for. Yes, but most of the time the X11 libs are pulled in on a headless server because of some dependency you don't need (e.g. php-gd-X11 for XPM which is not needed if you use PNG; or ghostscript-X11 on a printserver where you don't intend to display the postscript before printing). In this case WITHOUT_X11 works without a problem (at least on those servers I use this). Bye, Alexander. -- I have gained this by philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. -- Aristotle http://www.Leidinger.netAlexander @ Leidinger.net: PGP ID = B0063FE7 http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild @ FreeBSD.org : PGP ID = 72077137 ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting X11BASE
On Tue, May 22, 2007 at 09:35:07AM +0200, Alexander Leidinger wrote: Also WITHOUT_X11 will only disable X support in ports for which it is optional. Many (probably most) ports that require X cannot work without it, and if such a port is either specified explicitly or pulled in as a dependency then you'll get what you asked for. Yes, but most of the time the X11 libs are pulled in on a headless server because of some dependency you don't need (e.g. php-gd-X11 for XPM which is not needed if you use PNG; or ghostscript-X11 on a printserver where you don't intend to display the postscript before printing). In this case WITHOUT_X11 works without a problem (at least on those servers I use this). It works perfectly well for its intended purpose. As long as one is not confused about what that purpose is ;-) Kris ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting X11BASE
Quoting Paul Schmehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] (from Sun, 20 May 2007 16:28:56 -0500): It would be nice if every port that you use on a headless system didn't require xorg libraries, but I suppose that's unrealistic. Add this to your make.conf: ---snip--- WITHOUT_X11=yes NO_X11=yes# needed in the past and maybe still needed ---snip--- Recompile every port you need which depends upon the x11 libs (e.g. gd and php). Deinstall the x11 ports. Better would be to put this into make.conf before installing any port, this way no x11 libs should be pulled in as a dependency from the beginning. Bye, Alexander. -- With reasonable men I will reason; with humane men I will plead; but to tyrants I will give no quarter. -- William Lloyd Garrison http://www.Leidinger.netAlexander @ Leidinger.net: PGP ID = B0063FE7 http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild @ FreeBSD.org : PGP ID = 72077137 ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting X11BASE
On Sun, 20 May 2007, Paul Schmehl wrote: --On May 21, 2007 12:24:47 AM +0100 Florent Thoumie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Schmehl wrote: OK. They didn't work for me. [...] I've read all the email you sent twice and haven't found what was wrong. Can you be a little more specific or give error messages? Cause blah fails just isn't enough. As I said, when I ran portupgrade -ai, I got errors about stale dependencies and a prompt to run pkgdb -F. After running pkgdb -L and installing all the missing dependencies, portupgrade -ai ran fine. blah blah=portupgrade -ai blah blah=pkgdb -F ?? Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting X11BASE
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 11:49:32AM +0200, Alexander Leidinger wrote: Quoting Paul Schmehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] (from Sun, 20 May 2007 16:28:56 -0500): It would be nice if every port that you use on a headless system didn't require xorg libraries, but I suppose that's unrealistic. Add this to your make.conf: ---snip--- WITHOUT_X11=yes NO_X11=yes# needed in the past and maybe still needed ---snip--- Recompile every port you need which depends upon the x11 libs (e.g. gd and php). Deinstall the x11 ports. Better would be to put this into make.conf before installing any port, this way no x11 libs should be pulled in as a dependency from the beginning. I think NO_X11 is a NOP. Also WITHOUT_X11 will only disable X support in ports for which it is optional. Many (probably most) ports that require X cannot work without it, and if such a port is either specified explicitly or pulled in as a dependency then you'll get what you asked for. Kris ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Setting X11BASE
Hello.
I'm trying to do security updates on a few hosts of mine, but nothing
(portsdb, portupgrade, ...) will work, with the following reason.
On FreeBSD before 6.2 ports system unfortunately can not set default
X11BASE by itself so please help it a bit by setting
X11BASE=${LOCALBASE} in make.conf.
On the other hand, if you do wish to use non-default X11BASE, please
set variable USE_NONDEFAULT_X11BASE.
I know of the X.Org 7.2 update, but I'm trying to avoid that, since this
are text-mode servers, and I only have xorg-libraries-6.x as a
dependency of other ports.
Before I do something really bad, I thought I'd ask:
should I really set X11BASE=${LOCALBASE} or should I set X11BASE=/usr/X11R6?
In case in the future I do upgrade X.Org, should I remove that?
bye Thanks
av.
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Re: Setting X11BASE
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 03:13:42PM +0200, Andrea Venturoli wrote:
Hello.
I'm trying to do security updates on a few hosts of mine, but nothing
(portsdb, portupgrade, ...) will work, with the following reason.
On FreeBSD before 6.2 ports system unfortunately can not set default
X11BASE by itself so please help it a bit by setting
X11BASE=${LOCALBASE} in make.conf.
On the other hand, if you do wish to use non-default X11BASE, please
set variable USE_NONDEFAULT_X11BASE.
I know of the X.Org 7.2 update, but I'm trying to avoid that, since this
are text-mode servers, and I only have xorg-libraries-6.x as a
dependency of other ports.
Before I do something really bad, I thought I'd ask:
should I really set X11BASE=${LOCALBASE} or should I set X11BASE=/usr/X11R6?
In case in the future I do upgrade X.Org, should I remove that?
The former, and you'll need to keep it until your upgrade your base system.
Kris
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Re: Setting X11BASE
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 02:46:01PM -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote:
--On May 20, 2007 3:13:42 PM +0200 Andrea Venturoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello.
I'm trying to do security updates on a few hosts of mine, but nothing
(portsdb, portupgrade, ...) will work, with the following reason.
On FreeBSD before 6.2 ports system unfortunately can not set default
X11BASE by itself so please help it a bit by setting
X11BASE=${LOCALBASE} in make.conf.
On the other hand, if you do wish to use non-default X11BASE, please
set variable USE_NONDEFAULT_X11BASE.
I know of the X.Org 7.2 update, but I'm trying to avoid that, since this
are text-mode servers, and I only have xorg-libraries-6.x as a
dependency of other ports.
I'm in the same situation, with several headless servers with no X running
but xorg-libraries installed as a dependency.
I tried running portupgrade -ai on one server. It failed.
I ran pkgdb -L and fixed a tons of dependencies by installing the new xorg
7.2 ports. Then I ran portupgrade -ai again. This time it upgraded
xorg-libraries from 6.9 to 7.2, and the only failures were related to php4
(which was held up by the port freeze and needs a security update, which
should be released shortly.)
I'm not sure what to do next. I put X11BASE=${LOCALBASE} in
/etc/make.conf, and I ran mergebase.sh. Is there anything else that I
need to do?
Following directions is considered too hard? If you're going to do
things in some random order you came up with on your own (instead of
following the careful, precise directions provided in UPDATING) then I
don't have a lot of patience for helping you recover your damaged
system. Good luck :-)
Kris
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Re: Setting X11BASE
--On May 20, 2007 4:24:15 PM -0400 Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I'm in the same situation, with several headless servers with no X
running but xorg-libraries installed as a dependency.
I tried running portupgrade -ai on one server. It failed.
I ran pkgdb -L and fixed a tons of dependencies by installing the new
xorg 7.2 ports. Then I ran portupgrade -ai again. This time it
upgraded xorg-libraries from 6.9 to 7.2, and the only failures were
related to php4 (which was held up by the port freeze and needs a
security update, which should be released shortly.)
I'm not sure what to do next. I put X11BASE=${LOCALBASE} in
/etc/make.conf, and I ran mergebase.sh. Is there anything else that I
need to do?
Following directions is considered too hard? If you're going to do
things in some random order you came up with on your own (instead of
following the careful, precise directions provided in UPDATING) then I
don't have a lot of patience for helping you recover your damaged
system. Good luck :-)
Maybe you should take a chill pill, Kris. I know you've been working very
hard on this upgrade, and it appears you've gotten cranky.
First of all, my system is working fine. Secondly, I *did* read the
directions - several times. Then I brought up a second terminal so I
could have the directions in front of me while I tried the upgrade. But
this is not a system that runs Xorg or any graphical display at all. The
upgrade, as written in UPDATING didn't work for me. Maybe it will work on
the next server I run it on. Maybe not. Maybe I'm an idiot and can't
read English. The point of my post was that I was able to fix the problem
by running pkgdb -L, which fixed all the missing dependencies because
xorg has been split into all sorts of pieces.
It would be nice if every port that you use on a headless system didn't
require xorg libraries, but I suppose that's unrealistic.
If you can show me where the instructions are for UPDATING a headless
server that's not running xorg at all but has some xorg libraries as
dependencies to other ports, I'd be happy to follow those instructions
instead.
Lest anyone get the wrong impression, I am *very* thankful that there are
many people willing to volunteer to help make FreeBSD what it is. (My
favorite OS, BTW.) I myself maintain several ports, so I have a small
inkling of what it's like to do all this work. I'm not complaining. I
was simply answering the OP's question about what he should do regarding a
headless server without X if the upgrade fails.
Getting back to my question, however, I have run portupgrade and
everything is up to date (except php4, but we know why), I ran mergebase
and I added X11BASE=${LOCALBASE} to /etc/make.conf. The system is working
fine. /usr/X11R6 is a symlink to /usr/local.
Is there anything else that I need to do? Or am I done? I think I'm
done, but I defer to the experts.
Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Senior Information Security Analyst
The University of Texas at Dallas
http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/
Re: Setting X11BASE
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 04:28:56PM -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: If you can show me where the instructions are for UPDATING a headless server that's not running xorg at all but has some xorg libraries as dependencies to other ports, I'd be happy to follow those instructions instead. All upgrade steps listed apply to all users that have any subset of X ports installed. Kris ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting X11BASE
--On May 20, 2007 5:36:26 PM -0400 Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 04:28:56PM -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote:
If you can show me where the instructions are for UPDATING a headless
server that's not running xorg at all but has some xorg libraries as
dependencies to other ports, I'd be happy to follow those instructions
instead.
All upgrade steps listed apply to all users that have any subset of X
ports installed.
OK. They didn't work for me.
I added X11BASE=${LOCALBASE} to /etc/make.conf.
I then tried to upgrade.
I chose not to use BATCH=yes, because I prefer to see what's being
upgraded and elect whether to upgrade an individual port or not. I chose
not use use portupgrade-devel. I use bash so I set export XORG_UPGRADE
yes in my shell. I tried portupgrade -Rf libXft, and I got an error
message that libXft was not installed. I don't have gstreamer installed,
so I then ran portupgrade -a. I got a indexing error message and was
prompted to run pkgdb -F to fix it. After I realized I was cancelling
individual xorg ports (selecting not to install them), I switched to pkgdb
-L and installed all the missing dependencies.
Afterward portupgrade -ai worked fine except for the php problem.
I then ran pkg_delete xorg-manpages, but they weren't installed. Then I
ran mergebase.sh. Afterwards I checked to make sure that /usr/X11R6 was a
symlink to /usr/local.
I don't have the xorg meta-port installed, because this is a headless
internet server.
This is what is installed now:
pkg_info -a | grep xorg | sort -u
Information for xorg-cf-files-1.0.2_2:
Information for xorg-libraries-7.2:
WWW: http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/xorg
xorg-libraries-7.2
pkg_info -a | grep X | sort -u (only the actually libraries part)
libX11-1.1.1_1,1
libXScrnSaver-1.1.2
libXTrap-1.0.0
libXau-1.0.3_2
libXaw-1.0.2,1
libXcomposite-0.3.1,1
libXcursor-1.1.8_1
libXdamage-1.1.1
libXdmcp-1.0.2
libXevie-1.0.2
libXext-1.0.3,1
libXfixes-4.0.3
libXfont-1.2.8,1
libXfontcache-1.0.4
libXft-2.1.12
libXi-1.0.2,1
libXinerama-1.0.1,1
libXmu-1.0.3,1
libXp-1.0.0,1
libXpm-3.5.6
libXprintAppUtil-1.0.1
libXprintUtil-1.0.1
libXrandr-1.2.1
libXrender-0.9.2
libXres-1.0.3
libXt-1.0.5
libXtst-1.0.1
libXv-1.0.3,1
libXvMC-1.0.4
libXxf86dga-1.0.1
libXxf86misc-1.0.1
libXxf86vm-1.0.1
liboldX-1.0.1
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Re: Setting X11BASE
Paul Schmehl wrote: --On May 20, 2007 5:36:26 PM -0400 Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 04:28:56PM -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: If you can show me where the instructions are for UPDATING a headless server that's not running xorg at all but has some xorg libraries as dependencies to other ports, I'd be happy to follow those instructions instead. All upgrade steps listed apply to all users that have any subset of X ports installed. OK. They didn't work for me. [...] I've read all the email you sent twice and haven't found what was wrong. Can you be a little more specific or give error messages? Cause blah fails just isn't enough. -- Florent Thoumie [EMAIL PROTECTED] FreeBSD Committer signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
