Re: THANK YOU for flavors! (fwd)

[Warren Block]

On Thu, 7 Dec 2017, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:


On Thursday,  7 December 2017 at 11:02:51 +1100, Dave Horsfall wrote:

On Thu, 7 Dec 2017 11:01:51 +1100 (EST), Dave Horsfall wrote:


Since we're being pedantic, note that this should be AEDT.
EST is ambiguous, but in general refers to the east coast of
the USA.


Serious question: is "FLAVOUR" accepted as an alias, or
does the rest of the world have to put up with American
spelling?


Think of it as a keyword.  No national origin necessary.

We really have better things to think of.


Well... and using American spellings is the custom, due to the project 
having started in the US.  For those who believe that a stated standard 
is better than no standard at all:


https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/writing-style-guidelines.html
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Re: THANK YOU for flavors!

[Miroslav Lachman]

Mel Pilgrim wrote on 2017/12/07 00:51:

In the midst of all the negative noise, I thought I'd post and say thank
you for bring in this feature.  I've been chomping at the bit to try
flavours out since I heard about them.  I started flavouring my
company's internal Ports Tree extension the evening after it landed.


In these days I feel "thank you" is not enough for the hard working 
people behind Flavors.

But anyway - Thank You!

I am looking forward to subpackages.

Miroslav Lachman
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Re: THANK YOU for flavors!

[Baho Utot]

On 12/7/2017 5:43 PM, Stari Karp wrote:

On Thu, 2017-12-07 at 07:51 -0500, Baho Utot wrote:

On 12/07/17 04:30, Johan Hendriks wrote:

Op 07/12/2017 om 00:51 schreef Mel Pilgrim:

In the midst of all the negative noise, I thought I'd post and
say
thank you for bring in this feature.  I've been chomping at the
bit to
try flavours out since I heard about them.  I started flavouring
my
company's internal Ports Tree extension the evening after it
landed.

Flavours are going to reduce 18 server role metaports to 3.
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Do you have a web page where flavours are explained nicely for non
technical FreeBSD users so that they can also see the benefits of
flavour. I think it is a little odd that a big change like this is
not
mentioned in any way on the front page of FreeBSD.
I really believe things are better this way albeit i did not read
and
understand it in a whole. I also believe flavours are nice in a
multi
server envirement and on the desktop.
The negative noice comes from people who USE FreeBSD on a single
machine
or maybe 2 and are now confronted with there old habbits not
working
anymore.
Give those people a walkthrough how they can run poudriere. Best
without
out a server but just a oneliner they need to remeber for future
updates. They do not want to spend too much time reading and trying
to
update there system.
If FreeBSD has done that i think that was lot less negative noice
on the
channels.

Secondly I want to thank you all for the great product FreeBSD is
and it
is a great product thanks to all the time people infest into
FreeBSD.
So thank you all. But i also hope FreeBSD learns from these big
changes.
If FreeBSD want a larger userbase, single machine users are there.
And
they do not want to spend an hour reading through a poudriere man
page.
They just want to type pgk upgrade, portmaster -d -a, or maybe
poudriere
update ports for all that matters.


users also don't want to wake up to the fact that what worked a few
days
ago not is working ie fetch/update port repo run synth and then get a
"
What the fuck has just happened now" only to be put down by the so
called folks in charge here for even asking.



I understand your frustration but I am happy with Synth and Mr. Marino
made patches extremely fast. I updated everything with success.




John new "port system" looks really good it may well be the wave of the 
future, if it gets a little support.  check out


https://github.com/jrmarino/Ravenports

and

http://www.ravenports.com

Of course it will need to expand to other platforms, and expand the 
number of packages in the ravenports system, but it looks like a good 
alternative to ports.


Too bad I am moving from FreeBSD back to Linux or I would have a go with 
it.  I have been working on something that is similar to ravenports for 
all my in house servers and desktops.  I should have something working 
by the end of the year.  I already have a "system builder" completed 
that builds and installs a scratch built linux base system. I will have 
some "meta packages" that will allow one to install desktop machines by 
installing one base package and one desktop package for a working 
base/default desktop machine.  That is how I setup my freebsd boxs (soon 
to be linux boxs), desktop-lumina, desktop-kde and desktop-gnome.  I 
also have meta packages for server-mail, server-dns, server-file, 
server-web and server-dhcp. Installing is simple as booting to the USB 
drive, partitioning and installing ext4 filesystem(s) and then install 
base and desktop-kde.  edit a few config files and it's done. Same for 
servers.  If I want a dns and dhcp server all I need to do is to install 
base, server-dns and server-dhcp and edit a few config files and I am 
good to go.





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Re: THANK YOU for flavors!

[Stari Karp]

On Thu, 2017-12-07 at 07:51 -0500, Baho Utot wrote:
> 
> On 12/07/17 04:30, Johan Hendriks wrote:
> > Op 07/12/2017 om 00:51 schreef Mel Pilgrim:
> > > In the midst of all the negative noise, I thought I'd post and
> > > say
> > > thank you for bring in this feature.  I've been chomping at the
> > > bit to
> > > try flavours out since I heard about them.  I started flavouring
> > > my
> > > company's internal Ports Tree extension the evening after it
> > > landed.
> > > 
> > > Flavours are going to reduce 18 server role metaports to 3.
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> > 
> > Do you have a web page where flavours are explained nicely for non
> > technical FreeBSD users so that they can also see the benefits of
> > flavour. I think it is a little odd that a big change like this is
> > not
> > mentioned in any way on the front page of FreeBSD.
> > I really believe things are better this way albeit i did not read
> > and
> > understand it in a whole. I also believe flavours are nice in a
> > multi
> > server envirement and on the desktop.
> > The negative noice comes from people who USE FreeBSD on a single
> > machine
> > or maybe 2 and are now confronted with there old habbits not
> > working
> > anymore.
> > Give those people a walkthrough how they can run poudriere. Best
> > without
> > out a server but just a oneliner they need to remeber for future
> > updates. They do not want to spend too much time reading and trying
> > to
> > update there system.
> > If FreeBSD has done that i think that was lot less negative noice
> > on the
> > channels.
> > 
> > Secondly I want to thank you all for the great product FreeBSD is
> > and it
> > is a great product thanks to all the time people infest into
> > FreeBSD.
> > So thank you all. But i also hope FreeBSD learns from these big
> > changes.
> > If FreeBSD want a larger userbase, single machine users are there.
> > And
> > they do not want to spend an hour reading through a poudriere man
> > page.
> > They just want to type pgk upgrade, portmaster -d -a, or maybe
> > poudriere
> > update ports for all that matters.
> > 
> 
> users also don't want to wake up to the fact that what worked a few
> days 
> ago not is working ie fetch/update port repo run synth and then get a
> " 
> What the fuck has just happened now" only to be put down by the so 
> called folks in charge here for even asking.
> 
> 
I understand your frustration but I am happy with Synth and Mr. Marino
made patches extremely fast. I updated everything with success.


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Re: THANK YOU for flavors!

[Baho Utot]

On 12/07/17 08:36, Lars Engels wrote:

On Thu, Dec 07, 2017 at 07:51:15AM -0500, Baho Utot wrote:



On 12/07/17 04:30, Johan Hendriks wrote:

Op 07/12/2017 om 00:51 schreef Mel Pilgrim:

In the midst of all the negative noise, I thought I'd post and say
thank you for bring in this feature.  I've been chomping at the bit to
try flavours out since I heard about them.  I started flavouring my
company's internal Ports Tree extension the evening after it landed.

Flavours are going to reduce 18 server role metaports to 3.
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Do you have a web page where flavours are explained nicely for non
technical FreeBSD users so that they can also see the benefits of
flavour. I think it is a little odd that a big change like this is not
mentioned in any way on the front page of FreeBSD.
I really believe things are better this way albeit i did not read and
understand it in a whole. I also believe flavours are nice in a multi
server envirement and on the desktop.
The negative noice comes from people who USE FreeBSD on a single machine
or maybe 2 and are now confronted with there old habbits not working
anymore.
Give those people a walkthrough how they can run poudriere. Best without
out a server but just a oneliner they need to remeber for future
updates. They do not want to spend too much time reading and trying to
update there system.
If FreeBSD has done that i think that was lot less negative noice on the
channels.

Secondly I want to thank you all for the great product FreeBSD is and it
is a great product thanks to all the time people infest into FreeBSD.
So thank you all. But i also hope FreeBSD learns from these big changes.
If FreeBSD want a larger userbase, single machine users are there. And
they do not want to spend an hour reading through a poudriere man page.
They just want to type pgk upgrade, portmaster -d -a, or maybe poudriere
update ports for all that matters.



users also don't want to wake up to the fact that what worked a few days
ago not is working ie fetch/update port repo run synth and then get a "
What the fuck has just happened now" only to be put down by the so
called folks in charge here for even asking.


I think we all understood your point. Please come back if you have
something new to say.

Thank you!



I think you have heard what I have been saying for 3 to 4 years You 
certainly have not understood it as the same "mistakes" keep occurring. 
There are ways to "roll out" these kind of changes gracefully, you folks 
just seem to bring them out and the consequences BE DAMNED, The Bull in 
the china cabinet comes to mind.


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Re: THANK YOU for flavors!

[Jan Bramkamp]

On 07.12.17 13:51, Baho Utot wrote:


users also don't want to wake up to the fact that what worked a few days 
ago not is working ie fetch/update port repo run synth and then get a " 
What the fuck has just happened now" only to be put down by the so 
called folks in charge here for even asking.


Shut the fuck up until you have something more than your whining to 
offer. *PLONK*

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Re: THANK YOU for flavors!

[Adam Weinberger]

> On 7 Dec, 2017, at 6:36, Lars Engels  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Dec 07, 2017 at 07:51:15AM -0500, Baho Utot wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/07/17 04:30, Johan Hendriks wrote:
>>> Op 07/12/2017 om 00:51 schreef Mel Pilgrim:
 In the midst of all the negative noise, I thought I'd post and say
 thank you for bring in this feature.  I've been chomping at the bit to
 try flavours out since I heard about them.  I started flavouring my
 company's internal Ports Tree extension the evening after it landed.
 
 Flavours are going to reduce 18 server role metaports to 3.
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>>> Do you have a web page where flavours are explained nicely for non
>>> technical FreeBSD users so that they can also see the benefits of
>>> flavour. I think it is a little odd that a big change like this is not
>>> mentioned in any way on the front page of FreeBSD.
>>> I really believe things are better this way albeit i did not read and
>>> understand it in a whole. I also believe flavours are nice in a multi
>>> server envirement and on the desktop.
>>> The negative noice comes from people who USE FreeBSD on a single machine
>>> or maybe 2 and are now confronted with there old habbits not working
>>> anymore.
>>> Give those people a walkthrough how they can run poudriere. Best without
>>> out a server but just a oneliner they need to remeber for future
>>> updates. They do not want to spend too much time reading and trying to
>>> update there system.
>>> If FreeBSD has done that i think that was lot less negative noice on the
>>> channels.
>>> 
>>> Secondly I want to thank you all for the great product FreeBSD is and it
>>> is a great product thanks to all the time people infest into FreeBSD.
>>> So thank you all. But i also hope FreeBSD learns from these big changes.
>>> If FreeBSD want a larger userbase, single machine users are there. And
>>> they do not want to spend an hour reading through a poudriere man page.
>>> They just want to type pgk upgrade, portmaster -d -a, or maybe poudriere
>>> update ports for all that matters.
>>> 
>> 
>> users also don't want to wake up to the fact that what worked a few days 
>> ago not is working ie fetch/update port repo run synth and then get a " 
>> What the fuck has just happened now" only to be put down by the so 
>> called folks in charge here for even asking.
> 
> I think we all understood your point. Please come back if you have
> something new to say.

Baho,

I didn't get your original message because you're routed to /dev/null on my
machine.

Your tone is increasingly hostile, and you need to rein in your vitriol.

You've told this list multiple times that you're leaving. Either leave now, or
change your tone on this list. If you want to complain about how flavors ruined
your life, fine, but insulting the people who created it is inappropriate and
not tolerated on this list. You're welcome to send me as much hate mail as you'd
like, but keep it off the list.

This list is for helping users create or use ports. It is not your personal
soapbox, and if you can't control your emotions, then it's time for you to
walk away.

# Adam


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Re: THANK YOU for flavors!

[Lars Engels]

On Thu, Dec 07, 2017 at 07:51:15AM -0500, Baho Utot wrote:
> 
> 
> On 12/07/17 04:30, Johan Hendriks wrote:
> > Op 07/12/2017 om 00:51 schreef Mel Pilgrim:
> >> In the midst of all the negative noise, I thought I'd post and say
> >> thank you for bring in this feature.  I've been chomping at the bit to
> >> try flavours out since I heard about them.  I started flavouring my
> >> company's internal Ports Tree extension the evening after it landed.
> >>
> >> Flavours are going to reduce 18 server role metaports to 3.
> >> ___
> >> freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list
> >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports
> >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
> > Do you have a web page where flavours are explained nicely for non
> > technical FreeBSD users so that they can also see the benefits of
> > flavour. I think it is a little odd that a big change like this is not
> > mentioned in any way on the front page of FreeBSD.
> > I really believe things are better this way albeit i did not read and
> > understand it in a whole. I also believe flavours are nice in a multi
> > server envirement and on the desktop.
> > The negative noice comes from people who USE FreeBSD on a single machine
> > or maybe 2 and are now confronted with there old habbits not working
> > anymore.
> > Give those people a walkthrough how they can run poudriere. Best without
> > out a server but just a oneliner they need to remeber for future
> > updates. They do not want to spend too much time reading and trying to
> > update there system.
> > If FreeBSD has done that i think that was lot less negative noice on the
> > channels.
> > 
> > Secondly I want to thank you all for the great product FreeBSD is and it
> > is a great product thanks to all the time people infest into FreeBSD.
> > So thank you all. But i also hope FreeBSD learns from these big changes.
> > If FreeBSD want a larger userbase, single machine users are there. And
> > they do not want to spend an hour reading through a poudriere man page.
> > They just want to type pgk upgrade, portmaster -d -a, or maybe poudriere
> > update ports for all that matters.
> > 
> 
> users also don't want to wake up to the fact that what worked a few days 
> ago not is working ie fetch/update port repo run synth and then get a " 
> What the fuck has just happened now" only to be put down by the so 
> called folks in charge here for even asking.

I think we all understood your point. Please come back if you have
something new to say.

Thank you!

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Re: THANK YOU for flavors!

[Baho Utot]

On 12/07/17 04:30, Johan Hendriks wrote:

Op 07/12/2017 om 00:51 schreef Mel Pilgrim:

In the midst of all the negative noise, I thought I'd post and say
thank you for bring in this feature.  I've been chomping at the bit to
try flavours out since I heard about them.  I started flavouring my
company's internal Ports Tree extension the evening after it landed.

Flavours are going to reduce 18 server role metaports to 3.
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Do you have a web page where flavours are explained nicely for non
technical FreeBSD users so that they can also see the benefits of
flavour. I think it is a little odd that a big change like this is not
mentioned in any way on the front page of FreeBSD.
I really believe things are better this way albeit i did not read and
understand it in a whole. I also believe flavours are nice in a multi
server envirement and on the desktop.
The negative noice comes from people who USE FreeBSD on a single machine
or maybe 2 and are now confronted with there old habbits not working
anymore.
Give those people a walkthrough how they can run poudriere. Best without
out a server but just a oneliner they need to remeber for future
updates. They do not want to spend too much time reading and trying to
update there system.
If FreeBSD has done that i think that was lot less negative noice on the
channels.

Secondly I want to thank you all for the great product FreeBSD is and it
is a great product thanks to all the time people infest into FreeBSD.
So thank you all. But i also hope FreeBSD learns from these big changes.
If FreeBSD want a larger userbase, single machine users are there. And
they do not want to spend an hour reading through a poudriere man page.
They just want to type pgk upgrade, portmaster -d -a, or maybe poudriere
update ports for all that matters.



users also don't want to wake up to the fact that what worked a few days 
ago not is working ie fetch/update port repo run synth and then get a " 
What the fuck has just happened now" only to be put down by the so 
called folks in charge here for even asking.




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Re: THANK YOU for flavors! (fwd)

[Mathieu Arnold]

Le 07/12/2017 à 01:02, Dave Horsfall a écrit :
> Errkk...  This was meant for the list.
>

If you like, I can rename the FLAVORS and FLAVOR variable to
BRTBERTZSRTZG and MBKSDFJGZEQ, so that they do not belong to any
dictionnaries.


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Re: THANK YOU for flavors!

[Johan Hendriks]

Op 07/12/2017 om 00:51 schreef Mel Pilgrim:
> In the midst of all the negative noise, I thought I'd post and say
> thank you for bring in this feature.  I've been chomping at the bit to
> try flavours out since I heard about them.  I started flavouring my
> company's internal Ports Tree extension the evening after it landed.
>
> Flavours are going to reduce 18 server role metaports to 3.
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Do you have a web page where flavours are explained nicely for non
technical FreeBSD users so that they can also see the benefits of
flavour. I think it is a little odd that a big change like this is not
mentioned in any way on the front page of FreeBSD.
I really believe things are better this way albeit i did not read and
understand it in a whole. I also believe flavours are nice in a multi
server envirement and on the desktop.
The negative noice comes from people who USE FreeBSD on a single machine
or maybe 2 and are now confronted with there old habbits not working
anymore.
Give those people a walkthrough how they can run poudriere. Best without
out a server but just a oneliner they need to remeber for future
updates. They do not want to spend too much time reading and trying to
update there system.
If FreeBSD has done that i think that was lot less negative noice on the
channels.

Secondly I want to thank you all for the great product FreeBSD is and it
is a great product thanks to all the time people infest into FreeBSD.
So thank you all. But i also hope FreeBSD learns from these big changes.
If FreeBSD want a larger userbase, single machine users are there. And
they do not want to spend an hour reading through a poudriere man page.
They just want to type pgk upgrade, portmaster -d -a, or maybe poudriere
update ports for all that matters.

regards
Johan

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Re: THANK YOU for flavors! (fwd)

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

On Thursday,  7 December 2017 at 11:02:51 +1100, Dave Horsfall wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Dec 2017 11:01:51 +1100 (EST), Dave Horsfall wrote:

Since we're being pedantic, note that this should be AEDT.
EST is ambiguous, but in general refers to the east coast of
the USA.

>> Serious question: is "FLAVOUR" accepted as an alias, or
>> does the rest of the world have to put up with American
>> spelling?

Think of it as a keyword.  No national origin necessary.

We really have better things to think of.

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Re: THANK YOU for flavors! (fwd)

[Dave Horsfall]

Errkk...  This was meant for the list.

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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 11:01:51 +1100 (EST)
From: Dave Horsfall <d...@horsfall.org>
To: Mel Pilgrim <list_free...@bluerosetech.com>
Subject: Re: THANK YOU for flavors!

Serious question: is "FLAVOUR" accepted as an alias, or does the rest of the 
world have to put up with American spelling?


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THANK YOU for flavors!

[Mel Pilgrim]

In the midst of all the negative noise, I thought I'd post and say thank 
you for bring in this feature.  I've been chomping at the bit to try 
flavours out since I heard about them.  I started flavouring my 
company's internal Ports Tree extension the evening after it landed.


Flavours are going to reduce 18 server role metaports to 3.
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