Re: Xorg failed to run on old PC.

2007-07-01 Thread Norberto Meijome
( guys, i still don't see how this relatest to [EMAIL PROTECTED] but i wont 
move it
again to questions@)

On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 03:46:59 +0200
Nikola Lecic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> According to this, you asked your Xorg to start with 800x600 and colour
> depth of 8, which it tried without errors this time. Well, all I can
> say is that you should try to upgrade to Xorg-7.2 (it is even faster
> on older hardware -- and all those "exceeds DDC maximum 0MHz" shouldn't
> be in your log AFAIK) 

right, i *think* that may be because your monitor doesnt support DDC, it reports
'0Mhz'.

are you using a KVM, by any chance? I *strongly* suggest you get X
working without the KVM first, and then try with KVM. of course, you may have
to par down your config, as your kvm may not support higher resolutions (well,
i doubt it in the case of this old pc...)

> or to somehow check your memory, as Norberto has
> already suggested (that's why I cc him).

memtest86+ , available in different forms - knoppix usually has a 2nd boot
option to run it. you may also try the 'ultimate boot cd'.

> 
> (And maybe that I once experienced that the mouse had caused similarly
> weird situation, so you can try to disconnect it or to add Option
> "AllowMouseOpenFail" "true" in ServerFlags section.)

interesting, thanks for the hint. :)

B

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Re: Xorg failed to run on old PC.

2007-06-29 Thread David Marec
Le Saturday 30 June 2007 03:46:59 Nikola Lecic, vous avez écrit :

> Well, all I can
> say is that you should try to upgrade to Xorg-7.2 (it is even faster
> on older hardware -- and all those "exceeds DDC maximum 0MHz" shouldn't
> be in your log AFAIK) or to somehow check your memory, as Norberto has
> already suggested (that's why I cc him).

I had already checked RAM and memtest did not found any error.

> (And maybe that I once experienced that the mouse had caused similarly
> weird situation, so you can try to disconnect it or to add Option
> "AllowMouseOpenFail" "true" in ServerFlags section.)

Maybe, it's a serial mouse.

> Btw, have you used this machine before -- you know that hardware is ok?

Yes. W98 was shipped on it and it was running correctly;  DSL is running well, 
with the XVESA driver.

I have tried to run with another Matrox Mystic card, for the same result.

Thanks.

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Re: Xorg failed to run on old PC.

2007-06-29 Thread Nikola Lecic
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:38:46 +0200
David Marec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Le Thursday 28 June 2007 13:35:57 Nikola Lecic, vous avez écrit :
> 
> 
> > * You must create a config file; you can start with 'Xorg
> > -configure', it will create an initial /root/xorg.conf.new; then
> > you can test it with 'X -config /root/xorg.conf.new'. I think you
> > need something like:
> >
> >   in Section "Monitor"
> > HorizSync   31.5 - 48.5  # try also: 31.5 - 57.0
> > VertRefresh 50 - 70  # try also: 50 - 75
> >
> >   in Section "Screen"
> > DefaultColorDepth 16 # start with the lower value
> > SubSection "Display"
> > Depth 16
> > Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
> > EndSubSection
> > # delete here all subsections with higher colour depth and
> > modes.
> 
> The problem is the same.
> i published the new log file 
>   http://david.marec.free.fr/public/Xorg.0.log
> and the http://david.marec.free.fr/public/xorg.conf.new

According to this, you asked your Xorg to start with 800x600 and colour
depth of 8, which it tried without errors this time. Well, all I can
say is that you should try to upgrade to Xorg-7.2 (it is even faster
on older hardware -- and all those "exceeds DDC maximum 0MHz" shouldn't
be in your log AFAIK) or to somehow check your memory, as Norberto has
already suggested (that's why I cc him).

(And maybe that I once experienced that the mouse had caused similarly
weird situation, so you can try to disconnect it or to add Option
"AllowMouseOpenFail" "true" in ServerFlags section.)

Btw, have you used this machine before -- you know that hardware is ok?

Nikola Lečić
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Re: Xorg failed to run on old PC.

2007-06-29 Thread David Marec
Le Thursday 28 June 2007 13:35:57 Nikola Lecic, vous avez écrit :


> * You must create a config file; you can start with 'Xorg -configure',
>   it will create an initial /root/xorg.conf.new; then you can test it
>   with 'X -config /root/xorg.conf.new'. I think you need something like:
>
>   in Section "Monitor"
> HorizSync   31.5 - 48.5  # try also: 31.5 - 57.0
> VertRefresh 50 - 70  # try also: 50 - 75
>
>   in Section "Screen"
> DefaultColorDepth 16 # start with the lower value
> SubSection "Display"
> Depth 16
> Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
> EndSubSection
> # delete here all subsections with higher colour depth and modes.

The problem is the same.
i published the new log file 
http://david.marec.free.fr/public/Xorg.0.log
and the http://david.marec.free.fr/public/xorg.conf.new


> * (If you need a really good assistance in creating xorg.conf, use
>   Knoppix; Greg Lehey once recommended it on freebsd-questions@; this
>   one is really different.)

--> kernel panic.


Thanks for your help



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Re: Xorg failed to run on old PC.

2007-06-28 Thread Nikola Lecic
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:21:20 +0200
David Marec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> hi

Hello David,
 
> I am trying to configure an old "cirix166-48Mo RAM" workstation.
> 
> But, FreeBSD 6.2 installed, Xorg crashes on 
> « Caught signal 11»
> 
> I tried three drivers, mga, vesa and vga.
> The driver "mga" failed to load DRI module, which was not requested.
> 
> The log file, created with no "xorg.conf", can be uploaded here:
> http://david.marec.free.fr/public/Xorg.0.log

Your X crashed simply because it tried to use 1152x864 at 75Hz, and
hardware is capable of not more than [EMAIL PROTECTED] This unwise
automatic choice of default resolution and frequencies is not uncommon
with older hardware.

> It seems that i had the same problem when i tried to launch XUbuntu
> on it. The only linux distribution that works is Damn Small Linux.

Yes, I'm sure that can happen with Ubuntu.
 
> Any idea ?
> Using the latest xorg 7 release ? 
> Getting back to FreeBSD 4.x to try Xfree instead of xorg ?

No, don't go back, there is nothing that older versions can do and
newer ones can't. Upgrading to 7.2 is certainly a good idea, but this
can surely work even with 6.9 you tried. I'd do something like this:

* You must create a config file; you can start with 'Xorg -configure',
  it will create an initial /root/xorg.conf.new; then you can test it
  with 'X -config /root/xorg.conf.new'. I think you need something like:

  in Section "Monitor"
HorizSync   31.5 - 48.5  # try also: 31.5 - 57.0
VertRefresh 50 - 70  # try also: 50 - 75

  in Section "Screen"
DefaultColorDepth 16 # start with the lower value
SubSection "Display"
Depth 16
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
# delete here all subsections with higher colour depth and modes.

  I think this will start X; then, if you can't get an optimal image,
  post here new xorg.conf and Xorg log; somebody will help you to tune
  Modeline and/or something else.

* (If you need a really good assistance in creating xorg.conf, use
  Knoppix; Greg Lehey once recommended it on freebsd-questions@; this
  one is really different.)

Nikola Lečić
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Xorg failed to run on old PC.

2007-06-27 Thread David Marec
hi


I am trying to configure an old "cirix166-48Mo RAM" workstation.

But, FreeBSD 6.2 installed, Xorg crashes on 
« Caught signal 11»

I tried three drivers, mga, vesa and vga.
The driver "mga" failed to load DRI module, which was not requested.

The log file, created with no "xorg.conf", can be uploaded here:
http://david.marec.free.fr/public/Xorg.0.log

It seems that i had the same problem when i tried to launch XUbuntu on it.
The only linux distribution that works is Damn Small Linux.

Any idea ?
Using the latest xorg 7 release ? 
Getting back to FreeBSD 4.x to try Xfree instead of xorg ?

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