Re: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ Attic URLs, eg for ports/mail/demime ?
+--On 30 décembre 2014 18:40:10 -0700 Warren Block wrote: | On Tue, 30 Dec 2014, Mathieu Arnold wrote: | |> |> |> +--On 27 décembre 2014 20:35:03 -0600 Mark Linimon |> wrote: |> | On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 08:20:45AM -0700, Warren Block wrote: |> |> I think I could make a good case for moving that ports FAQ into the |> |> Porter's Handbook, even if it is for committers. |> | |> | Sounds good. |> |> MMmm, well, yeah, but ports should be added with |> /usr/ports/Tools/scripts/addport script, that *will do the right thing*. | | You mean the content is wrong? I was just concerned about having it in | the right place. No, to my knowledge, the content is right, but the procedure to resurrect a port can be a bit tedious, and thus people don't follow it and just add the port as if it was new. On the other hand running the addport script will do the right thing all the time. (And if there are cases where it does not work, which, to my knowledge, there are none, it can be fixed.) -- Mathieu Arnold ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ Attic URLs, eg for ports/mail/demime ?
On Tue, 30 Dec 2014, Mathieu Arnold wrote: +--On 27 décembre 2014 20:35:03 -0600 Mark Linimon wrote: | On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 08:20:45AM -0700, Warren Block wrote: |> I think I could make a good case for moving that ports FAQ into the |> Porter's Handbook, even if it is for committers. | | Sounds good. MMmm, well, yeah, but ports should be added with /usr/ports/Tools/scripts/addport script, that *will do the right thing*. You mean the content is wrong? I was just concerned about having it in the right place. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ Attic URLs, eg for ports/mail/demime ?
Hi Olli cc ports@
olli hauer wrote Mon, 29 Dec 2014 21:43:43 +0100 :
> On 2014-12-29 17:19, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> > olli hauer wrote Sat, 27 Dec 2014 08:25:09 +0100:
> >
> >> On 2014-12-27 03:30, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> >>> Hi ports@
> >>> What URL(s) do I need under
> >>> https://svnweb.freebsd.org/
> >>> to get to the Attic for last copy of eg ports/mail/demime ?
> >>>
> >>> How is one supposed to find URLs /svn rev nos ?
> >>> (I have a local svn if it helps, but was looking on web)
> >>>
> >>> demime was removed after release date 2012-01 of 9.0.0
> >>> https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/tags/RELEASE_9_0_0/mail/demime/
> >>>
> >>> I want to know not just URL but also How to find last URL/ svn
> >>> revision numbers, as I'm trying to rescue & upgrade a few ports from
> >>> oblivion.
> >>>
> >>> I presume there's some better way to search than binary search
> >>> (repeated splitting & re-search in the middle between narowing dates) ?
> >>
> >> Hi Julian,
> >>
> >> with viewvc only it is not that easy, but with (svn) command line.
> >>
> >> $ grep demime /usr/ports/MOVED
> >> mail/demime||2011-12-28|Has expired: No upstream development since 2007
> >>
> >> $ svn log -qv -r '{2011-12-28}':'{2011-12-29}'
> >> r288196 | rene | 2011-12-28 18:49:04 +0100 (Wed, 28 Dec 2011)
> >> Changed paths:
> >> ...
> >>M /head/mail/Makefile
> >>D /head/mail/demime
> >> ...
> >>
> >> Setting 288195 as sticky revision in viewvc we get this URL
> >> https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/mail/demime/?pathrev=288195
> >
> >
> > Thanks Olli,
> > There's something I'm missing in my environent ?
> > I have /usr/svn -> /pri/FreeBSD/development/FreeBSD-SVN
> > With
> > cd /pri/FreeBSD/development/FreeBSD-SVN/ports;ls
> > # README.txt conf db format hooks locks
> > svn log -qv -r '{2011-12-28}':'{2011-12-29}'
> > I got
> > svn: E155007: '/pri/FreeBSD/development/FreeBSD-SVN/ports' is not a
> > working copy
> >
> > I suggest someone append to man svn:
> > SEE ALSO https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/svn.html
> > non-optimal mini patches that do that are here:
> >
> > http://berklix.com/~jhs/src/bsd/fixes/FreeBSD/ports/gen/devel/subversion/
> >
> > I experimented some more:
> >
> > cd /usrb/tmp/svn; svn checkout -q file:///usr/svn/ports
> > still running after 14 hours, so still waiting to try later.
> >
> > svn log -qv -r http://svn.freebsd.org/ports/head
> > '{2011-12-28}':'{2011-12-29}'
> > svn: E205000: Syntax error in revision argument
> > 'http://svn.freebsd.org/ports/head'
> >
> > svn log http://svn.freebsd.org/ports/head '{2011-12-28}':'{2011-12-29}'
> > svn: E160013: File not found: revision 375791, path
> > '/head/{2011-12-28}:{2011-12-29}'
> >
> > svn log http://svn.freebsd.org/ports '{2011-12-28}':'{2011-12-29}'
> > svn: E160013: File not found: revision 375791, path
> > '/{2011-12-28}:{2011-12-29}'
> >
> > Questions:
> > - what if anything do need to check with printenv ? (aka CVSROOT etc from
> > the past)
> > - which directory (/bin/pwd) I should be in to run that command "svn log
> > ..." ?
> > - what should the contents of that directory be ? (eg what does your ls
> > show) ?
> >
> > Thanks !
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Julian
>
> Hi Julian,
>
> take the date as rev. parameter, see `svn help log'
>
> Time for a working practical example, pick a FreeBSD mirror from
> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/svn.html.
> We will run the command in a fresh empty dir (not part of any existing svn
> workspace)
>
> $ mkdir /tmp/svnlogfoo && cd /tmp/svnlogfoo
> $ svn log -qv -r '{2011-12-28}':'{2011-12-29}'
> http://svn0.eu.freebsd.org/ports
I tried that & Svn finaly ran. Thanks :-)
Your last post had no trailing URL, just:
> svn log -qv -r '{2011-12-28}':'{2011-12-29}'
I had been wrongly assuming svn would fetch from some assumed path, perhaps
/usr/svn,
perhaps with setenv environment variable over-ride (aka cvs & CVSROOT). I had
also tried
svn log -qv -r '{2011-12-28}':'{2011-12-29}' /usr/svn/ports
but svn failed with useless error message:
svn: E155007: '/usr/svn/ports' is not a working copy
now I've tried with
svn log -qv -r '{2011-12-28}':'{2011-12-29}' file:///usr/svn/ports
& that too runs :-)
It's late, I'll work through the rest of your example tomorrow. Thanks Olli !
Cheers,
Julian
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Re: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ Attic URLs, eg for ports/mail/demime ?
+--On 27 décembre 2014 20:35:03 -0600 Mark Linimon wrote: | On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 08:20:45AM -0700, Warren Block wrote: |> I think I could make a good case for moving that ports FAQ into the |> Porter's Handbook, even if it is for committers. | | Sounds good. MMmm, well, yeah, but ports should be added with /usr/ports/Tools/scripts/addport script, that *will do the right thing*. -- Mathieu Arnold ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ Attic URLs, eg for ports/mail/demime ?
On 2014-12-29 17:19, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> olli hauer wrote Sat, 27 Dec 2014 08:25:09 +0100:
>
>> On 2014-12-27 03:30, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
>>> Hi ports@
>>> What URL(s) do I need under
>>> https://svnweb.freebsd.org/
>>> to get to the Attic for last copy of eg ports/mail/demime ?
>>>
>>> How is one supposed to find URLs /svn rev nos ?
>>> (I have a local svn if it helps, but was looking on web)
>>>
>>> demime was removed after release date 2012-01 of 9.0.0
>>> https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/tags/RELEASE_9_0_0/mail/demime/
>>>
>>> I want to know not just URL but also How to find last URL/ svn
>>> revision numbers, as I'm trying to rescue & upgrade a few ports from
>>> oblivion.
>>>
>>> I presume there's some better way to search than binary search
>>> (repeated splitting & re-search in the middle between narowing dates) ?
>>
>> Hi Julian,
>>
>> with viewvc only it is not that easy, but with (svn) command line.
>>
>> $ grep demime /usr/ports/MOVED
>> mail/demime||2011-12-28|Has expired: No upstream development since 2007
>>
>> $ svn log -qv -r '{2011-12-28}':'{2011-12-29}'
>> r288196 | rene | 2011-12-28 18:49:04 +0100 (Wed, 28 Dec 2011)
>> Changed paths:
>> ...
>>M /head/mail/Makefile
>>D /head/mail/demime
>> ...
>>
>> Setting 288195 as sticky revision in viewvc we get this URL
>> https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/mail/demime/?pathrev=288195
>
>
> Thanks Olli,
> There's something I'm missing in my environent ?
> I have /usr/svn -> /pri/FreeBSD/development/FreeBSD-SVN
> With
> cd /pri/FreeBSD/development/FreeBSD-SVN/ports;ls
> # README.txt conf db format hooks locks
> svn log -qv -r '{2011-12-28}':'{2011-12-29}'
> I got
> svn: E155007: '/pri/FreeBSD/development/FreeBSD-SVN/ports' is not a
> working copy
>
> I suggest someone append to man svn:
> SEE ALSO https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/svn.html
> non-optimal mini patches that do that are here:
>
> http://berklix.com/~jhs/src/bsd/fixes/FreeBSD/ports/gen/devel/subversion/
>
> I experimented some more:
>
> cd /usrb/tmp/svn; svn checkout -q file:///usr/svn/ports
> still running after 14 hours, so still waiting to try later.
>
> svn log -qv -r http://svn.freebsd.org/ports/head
> '{2011-12-28}':'{2011-12-29}'
> svn: E205000: Syntax error in revision argument
> 'http://svn.freebsd.org/ports/head'
>
> svn log http://svn.freebsd.org/ports/head '{2011-12-28}':'{2011-12-29}'
> svn: E160013: File not found: revision 375791, path
> '/head/{2011-12-28}:{2011-12-29}'
>
> svn log http://svn.freebsd.org/ports '{2011-12-28}':'{2011-12-29}'
> svn: E160013: File not found: revision 375791, path
> '/{2011-12-28}:{2011-12-29}'
>
> Questions:
> - what if anything do need to check with printenv ? (aka CVSROOT etc from
> the past)
> - which directory (/bin/pwd) I should be in to run that command "svn log
> ..." ?
> - what should the contents of that directory be ? (eg what does your ls
> show) ?
>
> Thanks !
>
> Cheers,
> Julian
>
Hi Julian,
take the date as rev. parameter, see `svn help log'
Time for a working practical example, pick a FreeBSD mirror from
https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/svn.html.
We will run the command in a fresh empty dir (not part of any existing svn
workspace)
$ mkdir /tmp/svnlogfoo && cd /tmp/svnlogfoo
$ svn log -qv -r '{2011-12-28}':'{2011-12-29}' http://svn0.eu.freebsd.org/ports
(log data we need to find the removed port)
I always start with sparse checkouts and use then `svn update' with the
"--set-depth" parameter
For this example we re-use the empty /tmp/svnlogfoo directory
Lets see if we are able to checkout old data (e.g CVSROOT).
$ svn co --depth empty https://svn0.eu.freebsd.org/ports/head /tmp/svnlogfoo/
$ cd /tmp/svnlogfoo
$ svn info
Path: .
Working Copy Root Path: /tmp/svnlogfoo
URL: https://svn0.eu.freebsd.org/ports/head
Relative URL: ^/head
Repository Root: https://svn0.eu.freebsd.org/ports
Repository UUID: 35697150-7ecd-e111-bb59-0022644237b5
Revision: 375797
...
$ svn ls -r 10
CVSROOT/
Makefile
Mk/
editors/
shells/
$ $ svn up -r 10 CVSROOT
$ ls -1 CVSROOT/
commit_prep.pl
commitcheck
commitinfo
cvs_acls.pl
editinfo
log_accum.pl
loginfo
rcsinfo
rcstemplate
Lets see if we can check out mail/demime (r288195)
$ svn up --set-depth empty mail
Updating 'mail':
Amail
Updated to revision 375797.
$ svn up -r288195 mail/demime
Updating 'mail/demime':
Amail/demime
Amail/demime/distinfo
Amail/demime/pkg-descr
Amail/demime/pkg-plist
Amail/demime/Makefile
Updated to revision 288195.
Tada, we have the latest version from the demime port recovered in less then
two minutes with a total checkout less then 200K
$ du -h -d1 /tmp/svnlogfoo/
124K/tmp/svnlogfoo/.svn
12K/tmp/svnlogfoo/mail
38K/tmp/svnlogfoo/CVSROOT
176K/tmp/svnlogfoo/
Since we do not need CVSROOT (was only an example checkout) we remove it from
the workspace with the following update command to keep the sparse c
Re: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ Attic URLs, eg for ports/mail/demime ?
olli hauer wrote Sat, 27 Dec 2014 08:25:09 +0100:
> On 2014-12-27 03:30, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> > Hi ports@
> > What URL(s) do I need under
> > https://svnweb.freebsd.org/
> > to get to the Attic for last copy of eg ports/mail/demime ?
> >
> > How is one supposed to find URLs /svn rev nos ?
> > (I have a local svn if it helps, but was looking on web)
> >
> > demime was removed after release date 2012-01 of 9.0.0
> > https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/tags/RELEASE_9_0_0/mail/demime/
> >
> > I want to know not just URL but also How to find last URL/ svn
> > revision numbers, as I'm trying to rescue & upgrade a few ports from
> > oblivion.
> >
> > I presume there's some better way to search than binary search
> > (repeated splitting & re-search in the middle between narowing dates) ?
>
> Hi Julian,
>
> with viewvc only it is not that easy, but with (svn) command line.
>
> $ grep demime /usr/ports/MOVED
> mail/demime||2011-12-28|Has expired: No upstream development since 2007
>
> $ svn log -qv -r '{2011-12-28}':'{2011-12-29}'
> r288196 | rene | 2011-12-28 18:49:04 +0100 (Wed, 28 Dec 2011)
> Changed paths:
> ...
>M /head/mail/Makefile
>D /head/mail/demime
> ...
>
> Setting 288195 as sticky revision in viewvc we get this URL
> https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/mail/demime/?pathrev=288195
Thanks Olli,
There's something I'm missing in my environent ?
I have /usr/svn -> /pri/FreeBSD/development/FreeBSD-SVN
With
cd /pri/FreeBSD/development/FreeBSD-SVN/ports;ls
# README.txt conf db format hooks locks
svn log -qv -r '{2011-12-28}':'{2011-12-29}'
I got
svn: E155007: '/pri/FreeBSD/development/FreeBSD-SVN/ports' is not a
working copy
I suggest someone append to man svn:
SEE ALSO https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/svn.html
non-optimal mini patches that do that are here:
http://berklix.com/~jhs/src/bsd/fixes/FreeBSD/ports/gen/devel/subversion/
I experimented some more:
cd /usrb/tmp/svn; svn checkout -q file:///usr/svn/ports
still running after 14 hours, so still waiting to try later.
svn log -qv -r http://svn.freebsd.org/ports/head '{2011-12-28}':'{2011-12-29}'
svn: E205000: Syntax error in revision argument
'http://svn.freebsd.org/ports/head'
svn log http://svn.freebsd.org/ports/head '{2011-12-28}':'{2011-12-29}'
svn: E160013: File not found: revision 375791, path
'/head/{2011-12-28}:{2011-12-29}'
svn log http://svn.freebsd.org/ports '{2011-12-28}':'{2011-12-29}'
svn: E160013: File not found: revision 375791, path
'/{2011-12-28}:{2011-12-29}'
Questions:
- what if anything do need to check with printenv ? (aka CVSROOT etc from the
past)
- which directory (/bin/pwd) I should be in to run that command "svn log ..." ?
- what should the contents of that directory be ? (eg what does your ls show) ?
Thanks !
Cheers,
Julian
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On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Dave Horsfall wrote: > On Sat, 27 Dec 2014, olli hauer wrote: > >> $ grep demime /usr/ports/MOVED >> mail/demime||2011-12-28|Has expired: No upstream development since 2007 > > Is it the practice of FreeBSD to remove ports that are so stable that > there is no need to modify them any further? > It is not the practice of FreeBSD to remove stable ports. There are several reasons a stable port may be removed: 1. Licensing 2. source is no longer available and no one willing to host the last version of the sources 3. Port Maintainer has abandoned the port and no one is willing to keep the port maintained (i.e stage support) In this case, the port maintainer asked: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2011-October/070886.html On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 9:00 PM, Glen Barber wrote: > Hi, > > As it stands now, the mail/demime port has no "upstream", and > development seems to have stopped at least 2 years ago. > > Does anyone use this? > > If so, would someone like to _become_ "upstream" and revive this piece > of software? > > Otherwise, I'll mark this port as deprecated in 1 week and have it > scheduled for removal 1 month afterwards. > > Thanks. > > -- > Glen Barber > ___ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" The answers to this message advised that there were alternatives to demime. -- DISCLAIMER: No electrons were maimed while sending this message. Only slightly bruised. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ Attic URLs, eg for ports/mail/demime ?
On Sat, 27 Dec 2014, olli hauer wrote: > $ grep demime /usr/ports/MOVED > mail/demime||2011-12-28|Has expired: No upstream development since 2007 Is it the practice of FreeBSD to remove ports that are so stable that there is no need to modify them any further? -- Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Bliss is a MacBook with a FreeBSD server." http://www.horsfall.org/spam.html (and check the home page whilst you're there) ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ Attic URLs, eg for ports/mail/demime ?
On Sat, 27 Dec 2014, olli hauer wrote:
On 2014-12-27 03:30, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
Hi ports@
What URL(s) do I need under
https://svnweb.freebsd.org/
to get to the Attic for last copy of eg ports/mail/demime ?
How is one supposed to find URLs /svn rev nos ?
(I have a local svn if it helps, but was looking on web)
demime was removed after release date 2012-01 of 9.0.0
https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/tags/RELEASE_9_0_0/mail/demime/
I want to know not just URL but also How to find last URL/ svn
revision numbers, as I'm trying to rescue & upgrade a few ports from oblivion.
I presume there's some better way to search than binary search
(repeated splitting & re-search in the middle between narowing dates) ?
Hi Julian,
with viewvc only it is not that easy, but with (svn) command line.
$ grep demime /usr/ports/MOVED
mail/demime||2011-12-28|Has expired: No upstream development since 2007
$ svn log -qv -r '{2011-12-28}':'{2011-12-29}'
r288196 | rene | 2011-12-28 18:49:04 +0100 (Wed, 28 Dec 2011)
Changed paths:
...
M /head/mail/Makefile
D /head/mail/demime
...
Setting 288195 as sticky revision in viewvc we get this URL
https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/mail/demime/?pathrev=288195
There is also an entry in the ports FAQ in the Committer's Guide:
https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/committers-guide/article.html#ports-qa-re-adding
I think I could make a good case for moving that ports FAQ into the
Porter's Handbook, even if it is for committers. Certainly bringing
back old ports is not uncommon for porters or committers.
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Re: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ Attic URLs, eg for ports/mail/demime ?
On 2014-12-27 03:30, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> Hi ports@
> What URL(s) do I need under
> https://svnweb.freebsd.org/
> to get to the Attic for last copy of eg ports/mail/demime ?
>
> How is one supposed to find URLs /svn rev nos ?
> (I have a local svn if it helps, but was looking on web)
>
> demime was removed after release date 2012-01 of 9.0.0
> https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/tags/RELEASE_9_0_0/mail/demime/
>
> I want to know not just URL but also How to find last URL/ svn
> revision numbers, as I'm trying to rescue & upgrade a few ports from oblivion.
>
> I presume there's some better way to search than binary search
> (repeated splitting & re-search in the middle between narowing dates) ?
Hi Julian,
with viewvc only it is not that easy, but with (svn) command line.
$ grep demime /usr/ports/MOVED
mail/demime||2011-12-28|Has expired: No upstream development since 2007
$ svn log -qv -r '{2011-12-28}':'{2011-12-29}'
r288196 | rene | 2011-12-28 18:49:04 +0100 (Wed, 28 Dec 2011)
Changed paths:
...
M /head/mail/Makefile
D /head/mail/demime
...
Setting 288195 as sticky revision in viewvc we get this URL
https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/mail/demime/?pathrev=288195
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Hi ports@ What URL(s) do I need under https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ to get to the Attic for last copy of eg ports/mail/demime ? How is one supposed to find URLs /svn rev nos ? (I have a local svn if it helps, but was looking on web) demime was removed after release date 2012-01 of 9.0.0 https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/tags/RELEASE_9_0_0/mail/demime/ I want to know not just URL but also How to find last URL/ svn revision numbers, as I'm trying to rescue & upgrade a few ports from oblivion. I presume there's some better way to search than binary search (repeated splitting & re-search in the middle between narowing dates) ? Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Linux Unix'78 C Sys Eng Consultant Munich http://berklix.com Indent previous with "> ". Interleave reply paragraphs like a play script. Send plain text, not quoted-printable, HTML, base64, or multipart/alternative. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
