texlive (was: Re: huge distfiles policy)
30.09.2012 19:31, Romain Tartière пишет: On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:17:03AM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: I CCed both hrs and romain so they can give their opinion and the status of their work. Yes, after 2 months away, I am back :-) OK, guys, what is the best way to proceed: 1) either commit the PR with monolithic texlive and live with it for some time... 2) or postpone the PR and wait until Romain finishes his work? Romain, can you give an estimation of when your ports may be ready to be committed? -- WBR, Boris Samorodov (bsam) FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: texlive (was: Re: huge distfiles policy)
Hi! On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 01:14:27PM +0400, Boris Samorodov wrote: 30.09.2012 19:31, Romain Tartière пишет: On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:17:03AM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: I CCed both hrs and romain so they can give their opinion and the status of their work. Yes, after 2 months away, I am back :-) OK, guys, what is the best way to proceed: 1) either commit the PR with monolithic texlive and live with it for some time... 2) or postpone the PR and wait until Romain finishes his work? Romain, can you give an estimation of when your ports may be ready to be committed? I setup the mirror yesterday: http://texlive-distfiles.blogreen.org/ svn is committing the ~2200 ports in the freebsd-texlive repository right now (a few minutes to go I guess). However, I have not looked at updating ports depending on teTeX to make them work using TeX Live instead… If the idea is just to provide TeX Live, I would tell that these ports do the job. For a drop-in replacement of teTeX, more work is required. Romain -- Romain Tartière rom...@freebsd.org http://people.FreeBSD.org/~romain/ pgp: 8234 9A78 E7C0 B807 0B59 80FF BA4D 1D95 5112 336F (ID: 0x5112336F) (plain text =non-HTML= PGP/GPG encrypted/signed e-mail much appreciated) pgpKCz1PIjdVZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: huge distfiles policy
Romain Tartière rom...@freebsd.org wrote in 20120930153124.ga4...@blogreen.org: ro Hi! ro ro On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:17:03AM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: ro My second concern was discussed when Dominic Fandrey called for testing this ro port: at least 2 people have been working on texlive with different approach: ro hrs and romain. ro ro In particular Romain and I discussed on merging texlive to the ports tree based ro on http://code.google.com/p/freebsd-texlive/ he has been contacted some company ro to mirror the splitted distfiles for us, and was suppose to resumer his work on ro this when back from vacations which should be the case now given that he has ro done some commit last week :D ro ro I CCed both hrs and romain so they can give their opinion and the status of ro their work. ro ro Yes, after 2 months away, I am back :-) ro ro While I was away, ro - I received access to a jail for hosting versionned distfiles; ro - I received a mail from hrs@ where he exposes a migration plan to ro TeX Live and asked for comments / suggestions. ro ro I replied to hrs@ and told him I would be happy to help, but have no ro feedback yet. ro ro Regarding the mirror of versionned distfiles, I have everything to set ro it up I think, and I just have to take some time to hack something that ro do the right thing and use it in my ports. However, since there are ro some boring flaws in the updating infrastructure, I postponed this, ro thinking that an answer from hrs@ would have lead to working on funnier ro things (with a better infrastructure). While I have no news, I may ro however setup the repository, it won't hurt I guess. Sorry, I was swamped with real life issues and could not respond in a timely manner. In short, what I am working on is splitting the texlive distribution into pieces about ~200 ports (tex engines and macro packages) and generating versioned distfiles from a local CTAN mirror. A port just for installing whole part of texlive is difficult to handle in the ports tree because there are many software that have to depend on a part of it but texlive is really huge. I am considering to remove print/teTeX* (since I am the maintainer) and update the dependencies to use the modular texlive ports seamlessly. I have several prototype but I need to fix them to some recent changes in the ports tree before making one public for review. Although I was thinking it could be done in September, it didn't unfortunately. I will continue to work on it and probably make it in public after EuroBSDCon. -- Hiroki pgpRvkpcf2XRr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: texlive (was: Re: huge distfiles policy)
On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 11:21:22AM +0200, Romain Tartière wrote: Hi! On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 01:14:27PM +0400, Boris Samorodov wrote: 30.09.2012 19:31, Romain Tartière пишет: On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:17:03AM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: I CCed both hrs and romain so they can give their opinion and the status of their work. Yes, after 2 months away, I am back :-) OK, guys, what is the best way to proceed: 1) either commit the PR with monolithic texlive and live with it for some time... 2) or postpone the PR and wait until Romain finishes his work? Romain, can you give an estimation of when your ports may be ready to be committed? I setup the mirror yesterday: http://texlive-distfiles.blogreen.org/ svn is committing the ~2200 ports in the freebsd-texlive repository right now (a few minutes to go I guess). However, I have not looked at updating ports depending on teTeX to make them work using TeX Live instead… If the idea is just to provide TeX Live, I would tell that these ports do the job. For a drop-in replacement of teTeX, more work is required. IMHO what we want is a drop-in replacement. regards, Bapt pgpsF6nxXLeqE.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: huge distfiles policy
01.10.2012 13:42, Hiroki Sato пишет: I am considering to remove print/teTeX* (since I am the maintainer) and update the dependencies to use the modular texlive ports seamlessly. Hiroki-san, this sounds like the best plan. Thank you! I'll hold on the PR for now. -- WBR, Boris Samorodov (bsam) FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: huge distfiles policy
On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 15:15:01 -0700 Kevin Oberman articulated: CDROMs are not getting bigger, but the size of disks just continue to increase. However, DVD's can easily handle a paltry 1.4GB. All modern systems come with DVD's so perhaps it is time to embrace progress and move forward with our thinking and not chain ourselves to the past. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ TLC announced that Honey Boo Boo will have a Halloween special. Their neighbors are planning to give them a scare by dressing up as child protective services. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: huge distfiles policy
Hi! On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:17:03AM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: My second concern was discussed when Dominic Fandrey called for testing this port: at least 2 people have been working on texlive with different approach: hrs and romain. In particular Romain and I discussed on merging texlive to the ports tree based on http://code.google.com/p/freebsd-texlive/ he has been contacted some company to mirror the splitted distfiles for us, and was suppose to resumer his work on this when back from vacations which should be the case now given that he has done some commit last week :D I CCed both hrs and romain so they can give their opinion and the status of their work. Yes, after 2 months away, I am back :-) While I was away, - I received access to a jail for hosting versionned distfiles; - I received a mail from hrs@ where he exposes a migration plan to TeX Live and asked for comments / suggestions. I replied to hrs@ and told him I would be happy to help, but have no feedback yet. Regarding the mirror of versionned distfiles, I have everything to set it up I think, and I just have to take some time to hack something that do the right thing and use it in my ports. However, since there are some boring flaws in the updating infrastructure, I postponed this, thinking that an answer from hrs@ would have lead to working on funnier things (with a better infrastructure). While I have no news, I may however setup the repository, it won't hurt I guess. Best regards, Romain ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
huge distfiles policy
Hi All, I'm about to commit print/texlive ports (PR/171571). One of it's ports (print/texlive-texmf) has size approx. 1.4 Gb. What is the current policy upon huge ports? Should I restrict someting to not build at, say, pointyhat? Something else? Thanks! -- WBR, Boris Samorodov (bsam) FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: huge distfiles policy
On 29 September 2012 09:22, Борис Самородов b...@passap.ru wrote: Hi All, I'm about to commit print/texlive ports (PR/171571). One of it's ports (print/texlive-texmf) has size approx. 1.4 Gb. What is the current policy upon huge ports? Should I restrict someting to not build at, say, pointyhat? Something else? I believe others have set MANUAL_PACKAGE_BUILD= huge though I'm not certain if this is because the distfile is large, or the final package is large (although in this case both are true) -- Eitan Adler ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: huge distfiles policy
On 29 Sep 2012 17:48, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote: On 29 September 2012 09:22, Борис Самородов b...@passap.ru wrote: Hi All, I'm about to commit print/texlive ports (PR/171571). One of it's ports (print/texlive-texmf) has size approx. 1.4 Gb. What is the current policy upon huge ports? Should I restrict someting to not build at, say, pointyhat? Something else? I believe others have set MANUAL_PACKAGE_BUILD= huge though I'm not certain if this is because the distfile is large, or the final package is large (although in this case both are true) If you do, you should also chose NO_CDROM and disable distfile mirroring too! Chris ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: huge distfiles policy
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Chris Rees utis...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 Sep 2012 17:48, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote: On 29 September 2012 09:22, Борис Самородов b...@passap.ru wrote: Hi All, I'm about to commit print/texlive ports (PR/171571). One of it's ports (print/texlive-texmf) has size approx. 1.4 Gb. What is the current policy upon huge ports? Should I restrict someting to not build at, say, pointyhat? Something else? I believe others have set MANUAL_PACKAGE_BUILD= huge though I'm not certain if this is because the distfile is large, or the final package is large (although in this case both are true) If you do, you should also chose NO_CDROM and disable distfile mirroring too! But, based on the current available storage sizes. what is big enough for these? And, should they be the same? CDROMs are not getting bigger, but the size of disks just continue to increase. I don't know how close to being an issue a 1.4GB distfile is with modern systems. With multi-terabyte drives, 1.4G is not much space. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer E-mail: kob6...@gmail.com ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: huge distfiles policy
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 05:22:36PM +0400, Борис Самородов wrote: Hi All, I'm about to commit print/texlive ports (PR/171571). One of it's ports (print/texlive-texmf) has size approx. 1.4 Gb. What is the current policy upon huge ports? Should I restrict someting to not build at, say, pointyhat? Something else? Thanks! Hi, First I want to say I really want to see texlive in and our old teTex going out and I appreciate all the work that are going on in the area recently. I have two concerns about this, first one is I would hate to see texlive has restricted to avoided to be build as a package because: 1/ people would love to just be able to install the package 2/ lots of ports are currently depending on teTex and if teTex is replaced by texlive which it should that means we will not anymore be able to provide packages for those packages, I don't have the complete list but I think this will impact at least kde and gnome. My second concern was discussed when Dominic Fandrey called for testing this port: at least 2 people have been working on texlive with different approach: hrs and romain. In particular Romain and I discussed on merging texlive to the ports tree based on http://code.google.com/p/freebsd-texlive/ he has been contacted some company to mirror the splitted distfiles for us, and was suppose to resumer his work on this when back from vacations which should be the case now given that he has done some commit last week :D I CCed both hrs and romain so they can give their opinion and the status of their work. Thanks all for your work on texlive! regards, Bapt pgpp4Lcr4N9av.pgp Description: PGP signature
