Re: kde3 ports expired today
On 02-07-2013 07:10, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Monday, July 01, 2013 a las 08:05:37PM -0700, Jeffrey Bouquet escribió: bsdstats.org ports stats would have that information probably http://bsdstats.org/ports.php?category=91 says in column 'times in use': x11/kde3: 534 x11/kde4: 86 So? 1. Collecting statistics is voluntary, so it could be that more people have installed kde4 than kde3 but not the reporting tool (sysutils/bsdstats). 2. There are multiple ports which do not exist anymore but are still listed there, e.g. x11-wm/xfce with 649 users or x11/qt1 (15 users). So either these ports are still in use (!) or the data is outdated. 3. FreeBSD releases look up-to-date, but are most people still running single-core ( http://bsdstats.org/bt/cpus.html ) ? René ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: kde3 ports expired today
René Ladan r...@freebsd.org wrote: On 02-07-2013 07:10, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Monday, July 01, 2013 a las 08:05:37PM -0700, Jeffrey Bouquet escribió: bsdstats.org ports stats would have that information probably http://bsdstats.org/ports.php?category=91 (bsdstats.org contact cc'ed) bsdstats.org seems to be broken. I get the following error when trying to access http://bsdstats.org/freebsd/ Warning: require_once(BSDSmarty.class.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /usr/local/www/bsdstats.org/www/freebsd/index.php on line 3 Fatal error: require_once(): Failed opening required 'BSDSmarty.class.php' (include_path='.:/usr/local/share/pear') in /usr/local/www/bsdstats.org/www/freebsd/index.php on line 3 Emanuel ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: kde3 ports expired today
On 07/02/13 07:10, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Monday, July 01, 2013 a las 08:05:37PM -0700, Jeffrey Bouquet escribió: bsdstats.org ports stats would have that information probably http://bsdstats.org/ports.php?category=91 says in column 'times in use': x11/kde3: 534 x11/kde4: 86 matthias We should add those who uninstalled KDE3, knowing it would soon be removed, but are still missing it. I, for one, moved to XFCE before it's too late, but feel I've lost a lot. Just my 2c. bye av. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: kde3 ports expired today
On 07/02/13 07:10, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Monday, July 01, 2013 a las 08:05:37PM -0700, Jeffrey Bouquet escribió: bsdstats.org ports stats would have that information probably http://bsdstats.org/ports.php?category=91 says in column 'times in use': x11/kde3: 534 x11/kde4: 86 I feel as though I'm in the happy minority who use and enjoy KDE4. My FreeBSD desktop/workstation is running it well but it does not have limited resource requirements (i7-750, 8G of RAM, Radeon HD 4650). Since Amarok and K3B outgrew their KDE3 dependencies, I've managed to keep my system KDE3/QT3-free for a while now, though that wasn't always easy in the past. The only real hiccup I've had was the recent KDE4 bump that made me have to reconfigure some things, but it ended up working better than ever in the end. The only current complaint I have is about the atrocities they have committed to KMail. Resource usage and philosophical reasons aside, some people who have been burned by KDE4 in the past may want to revisit it now, it's matured a lot from its early days. Personally I won't miss KDE3 at all, and I really haven't missed it for several years now. Jim ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: kde3 ports expired today
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Jim Pingle li...@pingle.org wrote: On 07/02/13 07:10, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Monday, July 01, 2013 a las 08:05:37PM -0700, Jeffrey Bouquet escribió: bsdstats.org ports stats would have that information probably http://bsdstats.org/ports.php?category=91 says in column 'times in use': x11/kde3: 534 x11/kde4: 86 I feel as though I'm in the happy minority who use and enjoy KDE4. My FreeBSD desktop/workstation is running it well but it does not have limited resource requirements (i7-750, 8G of RAM, Radeon HD 4650). Since Amarok and K3B outgrew their KDE3 dependencies, I've managed to keep my system KDE3/QT3-free for a while now, though that wasn't always easy in the past. The only real hiccup I've had was the recent KDE4 bump that made me have to reconfigure some things, but it ended up working better than ever in the end. The only current complaint I have is about the atrocities they have committed to KMail. Resource usage and philosophical reasons aside, some people who have been burned by KDE4 in the past may want to revisit it now, it's matured a lot from its early days. Personally I won't miss KDE3 at all, and I really haven't missed it for several years now. Jim I was about to write something similar. My work machine has been on KDE4 for years, and though it was quite rocky in the earlier versions it has kind of quietly disappeared into the background (in a good way) now - while I can understand the gnome2 revival projects, I don't quite see the point of e.g. Trinity. -- Daniel Nebdal ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: kde3 ports expired today
On 2013-07-02 18:31, Daniel Nebdal wrote: On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Jim Pingle li...@pingle.org wrote: On 07/02/13 07:10, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Monday, July 01, 2013 a las 08:05:37PM -0700, Jeffrey Bouquet escribió: bsdstats.org ports stats would have that information probably http://bsdstats.org/ports.php?category=91 says in column 'times in use': x11/kde3: 534 x11/kde4: 86 I feel as though I'm in the happy minority who use and enjoy KDE4. My FreeBSD desktop/workstation is running it well but it does not have limited resource requirements (i7-750, 8G of RAM, Radeon HD 4650). Since Amarok and K3B outgrew their KDE3 dependencies, I've managed to keep my system KDE3/QT3-free for a while now, though that wasn't always easy in the past. The only real hiccup I've had was the recent KDE4 bump that made me have to reconfigure some things, but it ended up working better than ever in the end. The only current complaint I have is about the atrocities they have committed to KMail. Resource usage and philosophical reasons aside, some people who have been burned by KDE4 in the past may want to revisit it now, it's matured a lot from its early days. Personally I won't miss KDE3 at all, and I really haven't missed it for several years now. Jim I was about to write something similar. My work machine has been on KDE4 for years, and though it was quite rocky in the earlier versions it has kind of quietly disappeared into the background (in a good way) now - while I can understand the gnome2 revival projects, I don't quite see the point of e.g. Trinity. Of course KDE4 works and many people use it daily - but for me who got used to a fairly stripped desktop with just the basics I work with all the time KDE4 was just in the way, in fact, it made me work more on Windows XP. My hope now is that xfce grows just a little bit more in functionality to be roughly a KDE3 successor. //per ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: kde3 ports expired today
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Per olof Ljungmark p...@intersonic.se wrote: On 2013-07-02 18:31, Daniel Nebdal wrote: On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Jim Pingle li...@pingle.org wrote: On 07/02/13 07:10, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Monday, July 01, 2013 a las 08:05:37PM -0700, Jeffrey Bouquet escribió: bsdstats.org ports stats would have that information probably http://bsdstats.org/ports.php?category=91 says in column 'times in use': x11/kde3: 534 x11/kde4: 86 I feel as though I'm in the happy minority who use and enjoy KDE4. My FreeBSD desktop/workstation is running it well but it does not have limited resource requirements (i7-750, 8G of RAM, Radeon HD 4650). Since Amarok and K3B outgrew their KDE3 dependencies, I've managed to keep my system KDE3/QT3-free for a while now, though that wasn't always easy in the past. The only real hiccup I've had was the recent KDE4 bump that made me have to reconfigure some things, but it ended up working better than ever in the end. The only current complaint I have is about the atrocities they have committed to KMail. Resource usage and philosophical reasons aside, some people who have been burned by KDE4 in the past may want to revisit it now, it's matured a lot from its early days. Personally I won't miss KDE3 at all, and I really haven't missed it for several years now. Jim I was about to write something similar. My work machine has been on KDE4 for years, and though it was quite rocky in the earlier versions it has kind of quietly disappeared into the background (in a good way) now - while I can understand the gnome2 revival projects, I don't quite see the point of e.g. Trinity. Of course KDE4 works and many people use it daily - but for me who got used to a fairly stripped desktop with just the basics I work with all the time KDE4 was just in the way, in fact, it made me work more on Windows XP. My hope now is that xfce grows just a little bit more in functionality to be roughly a KDE3 successor. //per I haven't tried it, but Razor-Qt looks like a reasonable environment as well - though you need to add apps, like, oh, the KDE4 ones. Which might not be quite what you were after. x) ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
kde3 ports expired today
Hi, the KDE3 ports (263 of them) expired today. They were marked for removal since December 30, so the plan is to remove them soon. Regards, Rene ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: kde3 ports expired today
El día Monday, July 01, 2013 a las 09:59:48AM +0200, René Ladan escribió: Hi, the KDE3 ports (263 of them) expired today. They were marked for removal since December 30, so the plan is to remove them soon. Regards, Rene Hi, We have (perhaps) all seen this in UPDATING and while compiling qt3* ports; I think, it is not a good idea deleting the KDE3 ports (which do compile) from our ports tree, while the KDE4 ports do not compile, at least not on i386 architecture. See the PR's about automoc4 and others. Just my humble opinion matthias -- Matthias Apitz | /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign: www.asciiribbon.org E-mail: g...@unixarea.de | \ / - No HTML/RTF in E-mail WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | X - No proprietary attachments phone: +49-170-4527211 | / \ - Respect for open standards ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: kde3 ports expired today
On Mon, Jul 01, 2013 at 10:20:22AM +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Monday, July 01, 2013 a las 09:59:48AM +0200, René Ladan escribió: Hi, the KDE3 ports (263 of them) expired today. They were marked for removal since December 30, so the plan is to remove them soon. Regards, Rene Hi, We have (perhaps) all seen this in UPDATING and while compiling qt3* ports; I think, it is not a good idea deleting the KDE3 ports (which do compile) from our ports tree, while the KDE4 ports do not compile, at least not on i386 architecture. See the PR's about automoc4 and others. Just my humble opinion matthias Problem is that kde3 is not maintained anymore upstream, not security reviews are performed any more etc. It has been deprecated for 6 month, and no one came up to: 1/ take maitainership of kde3 2/ import the maintained and supported trinity project. regards, Bapt pgpafB2fpOfKe.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: kde3 ports expired today
2013/7/1 Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de: El día Monday, July 01, 2013 a las 09:59:48AM +0200, René Ladan escribió: the KDE3 ports (263 of them) expired today. They were marked for removal since December 30, so the plan is to remove them soon. We have (perhaps) all seen this in UPDATING and while compiling qt3* ports; I think, it is not a good idea deleting the KDE3 ports (which do compile) from our ports tree, while the KDE4 ports do not compile, at least not on i386 architecture. See the PR's about automoc4 and others. This looks like two different things to me, and maybe the absence of KDE3/QT3 will accelerate fixing KDE4/QT4 on i386 and other affected architectures. René ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [kde-freebsd] kde3 ports expired today
Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de writes: We have (perhaps) all seen this in UPDATING and while compiling qt3* ports; I think, it is not a good idea deleting the KDE3 ports (which do compile) from our ports tree, while the KDE4 ports do not compile, at least not on i386 architecture. See the PR's about automoc4 and others. To be fair, the problem with the random automoc crashes seems to be specific to i386 on CURRENT (we do have binary packages for our released versions after all) and dim@ was already taking a look at that a few days ago. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: kde3 ports expired today
On 2013-07-01 11:38, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: On Mon, Jul 01, 2013 at 10:20:22AM +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Monday, July 01, 2013 a las 09:59:48AM +0200, René Ladan escribió: Hi, the KDE3 ports (263 of them) expired today. They were marked for removal since December 30, so the plan is to remove them soon. Regards, Rene Hi, We have (perhaps) all seen this in UPDATING and while compiling qt3* ports; I think, it is not a good idea deleting the KDE3 ports (which do compile) from our ports tree, while the KDE4 ports do not compile, at least not on i386 architecture. See the PR's about automoc4 and others. Just my humble opinion matthias Problem is that kde3 is not maintained anymore upstream, not security reviews are performed any more etc. It has been deprecated for 6 month, and no one came up to: 1/ take maitainership of kde3 2/ import the maintained and supported trinity project. While I have full respect for this decision I am another example of one that looses his desktop... Actually, I'm not really using KDE3, but rather xfce but with the apps from KDE3 like konsole, kwrite, ksnapshot and a few others that I failed to see any good replacements for. And security, well, not sure if this is that important for a desktop? At least we're warned. And KDE4 is not an alternative, tried several times but gave up. Just my two öre. //per ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: kde3 ports expired today
El día Monday, July 01, 2013 a las 10:26:13PM +0200, Per olof Ljungmark escribió: While I have full respect for this decision I am another example of one that looses his desktop... Actually, I'm not really using KDE3, but rather xfce but with the apps from KDE3 like konsole, kwrite, ksnapshot and a few others that I failed to see any good replacements for. And security, well, not sure if this is that important for a desktop? At least we're warned. And KDE4 is not an alternative, tried several times but gave up. Are there any numbers how many FreeBSD(!) users are using KDE3 or KDE4? If not, what about a well organized(!) straw poll? Just to see, if we are all hunting in the right direction. matthias -- Sent from my FreeBSD netbook Matthias Apitz, g...@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ f: +49-170-4527211 UNIX since V7 on PDP-11, UNIX on mainframe since ESER 1055 (IBM /370) UNIX on x86 since SVR4.2 UnixWare 2.1.2, FreeBSD since 2.2.5 ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: kde3 ports expired today
On 07/01/13 16:40, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Monday, July 01, 2013 a las 10:26:13PM +0200, Per olof Ljungmark escribió: While I have full respect for this decision I am another example of one that looses his desktop... Actually, I'm not really using KDE3, but rather xfce but with the apps from KDE3 like konsole, kwrite, ksnapshot and a few others that I failed to see any good replacements for. And security, well, not sure if this is that important for a desktop? At least we're warned. And KDE4 is not an alternative, tried several times but gave up. Are there any numbers how many FreeBSD(!) users are using KDE3 or KDE4? If not, what about a well organized(!) straw poll? Just to see, if we are all hunting in the right direction. matthias I currently use KDE3, I never liked the direction KDE4 took. I did contemplate porting Trinity over to FreeBSD, but I never really had the time to do it, mainly because of how they are so scattered on how to build it (plus their build instructions are haphazard at best). Even though the ports have expired, I'll probably continue to use KDE3 on my desktop. Thanks, Naram Qashat ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: kde3 ports expired today
bsdstats.org ports stats would have that information probably Here, I've installed snotes, xxdiff and a few others (qt33...) not kde3 per se... Subject: Re: kde3 ports expired today Are there any numbers how many FreeBSD(!) users are using KDE3 or KDE4? If not, what about a well organized(!) straw poll? Just to see, if we are all hunting in the right direction. matthias - ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: kde3 ports expired today
El día Monday, July 01, 2013 a las 08:05:37PM -0700, Jeffrey Bouquet escribió: bsdstats.org ports stats would have that information probably http://bsdstats.org/ports.php?category=91 says in column 'times in use': x11/kde3: 534 x11/kde4: 86 matthias -- Matthias Apitz | /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign: www.asciiribbon.org E-mail: g...@unixarea.de | \ / - No HTML/RTF in E-mail WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | X - No proprietary attachments phone: +49-170-4527211 | / \ - Respect for open standards ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
