Re: pkg 1.3.X changed behaviour with pkg -fR xxx

2014-07-30 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:47 PM, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org
wrote:

 On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 08:45:32PM -0300, sergio lenzi wrote:
  see the sequence of commands
 
   pkg info -qr db6
  results
  redland-1.0.17_3
  serf-1.3.6_1
  subversion-1.8.9_7
  apr-1.5.1.1.5.3_3
  squidGuard-1.4_9
  cyrus-sasl-saslauthd-2.1.26_1
  evolution-data-server-2.32.1_11
  bogofilter-1.2.4_2
  =
  Now the command
 
  pkg install -fR db6
 
 
 
  Updating repository catalogue
  DIST64 repository is up-to-date
  All repositories are up-to-date
  Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting)
  The following 1 packages will be affected (of 1037 checked):
 
  Installed packages to be REINSTALLED:
db6-6.1.19 (forced reinstall)
  ===
  look that it will reinstall db6 (which is correct)
  but not will reinstall the other packages as the manual says so...
 
  Another missing thing is that pkg upgrade
  will not reinstall the packages that changed options or
  that changed direct dependencies (as pkg 1.2.X did)...
 
  Is it normal or a bug??
 
 This is a bug can you open a ticket on github?

 regards,
 Bapt


Wouldn't the FreeBSD bugzilla be a better place?
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Re: pkg 1.3.X changed behaviour with pkg -fR xxx

2014-07-30 Thread Michael Gmelin


 On 30 Jul 2014, at 08:58, Kevin Oberman rkober...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:47 PM, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org
 wrote:
 
 On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 08:45:32PM -0300, sergio lenzi wrote:
 see the sequence of commands
 
 pkg info -qr db6
 results
redland-1.0.17_3
serf-1.3.6_1
subversion-1.8.9_7
apr-1.5.1.1.5.3_3
squidGuard-1.4_9
cyrus-sasl-saslauthd-2.1.26_1
evolution-data-server-2.32.1_11
bogofilter-1.2.4_2
 =
 Now the command
 
 pkg install -fR db6
 
 
 
 Updating repository catalogue
 DIST64 repository is up-to-date
 All repositories are up-to-date
 Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting)
 The following 1 packages will be affected (of 1037 checked):
 
 Installed packages to be REINSTALLED:
  db6-6.1.19 (forced reinstall)
 ===
 look that it will reinstall db6 (which is correct)
 but not will reinstall the other packages as the manual says so...
 
 Another missing thing is that pkg upgrade
 will not reinstall the packages that changed options or
 that changed direct dependencies (as pkg 1.2.X did)...
 
 Is it normal or a bug??
 This is a bug can you open a ticket on github?
 
 regards,
 Bapt
 
 Wouldn't the FreeBSD bugzilla be a better place?

Pkg is developed using git and hosted on GitHub. Its issue tracker hooks into 
the repository quite nicely, so it actually makes a lot of sense to file it 
there.

https://github.com/freebsd/pkg/issues/new

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Re: pkg 1.3.X changed behaviour with pkg -fR xxx

2014-07-30 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 1:16 AM, Michael Gmelin gre...@freebsd.org wrote:



  On 30 Jul 2014, at 08:58, Kevin Oberman rkober...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:47 PM, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org
  wrote:
 
  On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 08:45:32PM -0300, sergio lenzi wrote:
  see the sequence of commands
 
  pkg info -qr db6
  results
 redland-1.0.17_3
 serf-1.3.6_1
 subversion-1.8.9_7
 apr-1.5.1.1.5.3_3
 squidGuard-1.4_9
 cyrus-sasl-saslauthd-2.1.26_1
 evolution-data-server-2.32.1_11
 bogofilter-1.2.4_2
  =
  Now the command
 
  pkg install -fR db6
 
 
 
  Updating repository catalogue
  DIST64 repository is up-to-date
  All repositories are up-to-date
  Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting)
  The following 1 packages will be affected (of 1037 checked):
 
  Installed packages to be REINSTALLED:
   db6-6.1.19 (forced reinstall)
  ===
  look that it will reinstall db6 (which is correct)
  but not will reinstall the other packages as the manual says so...
 
  Another missing thing is that pkg upgrade
  will not reinstall the packages that changed options or
  that changed direct dependencies (as pkg 1.2.X did)...
 
  Is it normal or a bug??
  This is a bug can you open a ticket on github?
 
  regards,
  Bapt
 
  Wouldn't the FreeBSD bugzilla be a better place?

 Pkg is developed using git and hosted on GitHub. Its issue tracker hooks
 into the repository quite nicely, so it actually makes a lot of sense to
 file it there.

 https://github.com/freebsd/pkg/issues/new


While I understand that, it is disturbing to see a very important part of
FreeBSD not using the FreeBSD bug tracking system. If I have a problem with
FreeBSD and want to see if there is a trouble report, I am not going to
look at github (or any external tracker). I'm going to look at the FreeBSD
Bugzilla and I feel it is improper to have an official FreeBSD project
recommending issues be sent to any external bug tracker in lieu of the
official one..

Simply put, I think it is a terrible idea and should be squashed
immediately.
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Re: pkg 1.3.X changed behaviour with pkg -fR xxx

2014-07-30 Thread Jos Backus
On Jul 30, 2014 12:03 PM, Kevin Oberman rkober...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 1:16 AM, Michael Gmelin gre...@freebsd.org
wrote:

 
 
   On 30 Jul 2014, at 08:58, Kevin Oberman rkober...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:47 PM, Baptiste Daroussin b...@freebsd.org

   wrote:
  
   On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 08:45:32PM -0300, sergio lenzi wrote:
   see the sequence of commands
  
   pkg info -qr db6
   results
  redland-1.0.17_3
  serf-1.3.6_1
  subversion-1.8.9_7
  apr-1.5.1.1.5.3_3
  squidGuard-1.4_9
  cyrus-sasl-saslauthd-2.1.26_1
  evolution-data-server-2.32.1_11
  bogofilter-1.2.4_2
   =
   Now the command
  
   pkg install -fR db6
  
  
  
   Updating repository catalogue
   DIST64 repository is up-to-date
   All repositories are up-to-date
   Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting)
   The following 1 packages will be affected (of 1037 checked):
  
   Installed packages to be REINSTALLED:
db6-6.1.19 (forced reinstall)
   ===
   look that it will reinstall db6 (which is correct)
   but not will reinstall the other packages as the manual says so...
  
   Another missing thing is that pkg upgrade
   will not reinstall the packages that changed options or
   that changed direct dependencies (as pkg 1.2.X did)...
  
   Is it normal or a bug??
   This is a bug can you open a ticket on github?
  
   regards,
   Bapt
  
   Wouldn't the FreeBSD bugzilla be a better place?
 
  Pkg is developed using git and hosted on GitHub. Its issue tracker hooks
  into the repository quite nicely, so it actually makes a lot of sense to
  file it there.
 
  https://github.com/freebsd/pkg/issues/new
 

 While I understand that, it is disturbing to see a very important part of
 FreeBSD not using the FreeBSD bug tracking system. If I have a problem
with
 FreeBSD and want to see if there is a trouble report, I am not going to
 look at github (or any external tracker). I'm going to look at the FreeBSD
 Bugzilla and I feel it is improper to have an official FreeBSD project
 recommending issues be sent to any external bug tracker in lieu of the
 official one..

 Simply put, I think it is a terrible idea and should be squashed
 immediately.

My impression was that pkg is supposed to be cross-platform and portable,
hence not FreeBSD-specific.
Jos

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Re: pkg 1.3.X changed behaviour with pkg -fR xxx

2014-07-30 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Jos Backus j...@catnook.com wrote:


 On Jul 30, 2014 12:03 PM, Kevin Oberman rkober...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 1:16 AM, Michael Gmelin gre...@freebsd.org
 wrote:
 
  
  
On 30 Jul 2014, at 08:58, Kevin Oberman rkober...@gmail.com wrote:
   
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:47 PM, Baptiste Daroussin 
 b...@freebsd.org
wrote:
   
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 08:45:32PM -0300, sergio lenzi wrote:
see the sequence of commands
   
pkg info -qr db6
results
   redland-1.0.17_3
   serf-1.3.6_1
   subversion-1.8.9_7
   apr-1.5.1.1.5.3_3
   squidGuard-1.4_9
   cyrus-sasl-saslauthd-2.1.26_1
   evolution-data-server-2.32.1_11
   bogofilter-1.2.4_2
=
Now the command
   
pkg install -fR db6
   
   
   
Updating repository catalogue
DIST64 repository is up-to-date
All repositories are up-to-date
Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting)
The following 1 packages will be affected (of 1037 checked):
   
Installed packages to be REINSTALLED:
 db6-6.1.19 (forced reinstall)
===
look that it will reinstall db6 (which is correct)
but not will reinstall the other packages as the manual says so...
   
Another missing thing is that pkg upgrade
will not reinstall the packages that changed options or
that changed direct dependencies (as pkg 1.2.X did)...
   
Is it normal or a bug??
This is a bug can you open a ticket on github?
   
regards,
Bapt
   
Wouldn't the FreeBSD bugzilla be a better place?
  
   Pkg is developed using git and hosted on GitHub. Its issue tracker
 hooks
   into the repository quite nicely, so it actually makes a lot of sense
 to
   file it there.
  
   https://github.com/freebsd/pkg/issues/new
  
 
  While I understand that, it is disturbing to see a very important part of
  FreeBSD not using the FreeBSD bug tracking system. If I have a problem
 with
  FreeBSD and want to see if there is a trouble report, I am not going to
  look at github (or any external tracker). I'm going to look at the
 FreeBSD
  Bugzilla and I feel it is improper to have an official FreeBSD project
  recommending issues be sent to any external bug tracker in lieu of the
  official one..
 
  Simply put, I think it is a terrible idea and should be squashed
  immediately.

 My impression was that pkg is supposed to be cross-platform and portable,
 hence not FreeBSD-specific.
 Jos

I have seen nothing indicating that. It's certainly not going to work with
any Linux distro. It might be applicable to other BSDs, especially
DragonFly, but I still believe that FreeBSD bugs belong in the FreeBSD bug
system. Normally, when maintainers want to dent reports upstream to the
port developers, it is up to them to do so. So the ports management team
would be responsible for forwarding bugs to the github system if they think
it is appropriate.
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Re: pkg 1.3.X changed behaviour with pkg -fR xxx

2014-07-30 Thread Freddie Cash
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Kevin Oberman rkober...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Jos Backus j...@catnook.com wrote:
  My impression was that pkg is supposed to be cross-platform and portable,
  hence not FreeBSD-specific.
  Jos

 I have seen nothing indicating that. It's certainly not going to work with
 any Linux distro. It might be applicable to other BSDs, especially
 DragonFly, but I still believe that FreeBSD bugs belong in the FreeBSD bug
 system. Normally, when maintainers want to dent reports upstream to the
 port developers, it is up to them to do so. So the ports management team
 would be responsible for forwarding bugs to the github system if they think
 it is appropriate.

 ​pkg is the default package manager on DragonflyBSD now.  Their dports
setup switched over to it officially a release or two ago.  I believe
they're even using poudriere to build their packages.

However, I agree that pkg bugs on FreeBSD should be added to the FreeBSD
bug tracker.  At the very least, a FreeBSD PR needs to be entered with the
bug number from the pkg bug tracker.  There needs to be a FreeBSD-specific
papertrail for bugs on FreeBSD.​



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pkg 1.3.X changed behaviour with pkg -fR xxx

2014-07-29 Thread sergio lenzi
see the sequence of commands

 pkg info -qr db6
results
redland-1.0.17_3
serf-1.3.6_1
subversion-1.8.9_7
apr-1.5.1.1.5.3_3
squidGuard-1.4_9
cyrus-sasl-saslauthd-2.1.26_1
evolution-data-server-2.32.1_11
bogofilter-1.2.4_2
=
Now the command

pkg install -fR db6



Updating repository catalogue
DIST64 repository is up-to-date
All repositories are up-to-date
Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting)
The following 1 packages will be affected (of 1037 checked):

Installed packages to be REINSTALLED:
db6-6.1.19 (forced reinstall)
===
look that it will reinstall db6 (which is correct)
but not will reinstall the other packages as the manual says so...

Another missing thing is that pkg upgrade 
will not reinstall the packages that changed options or
that changed direct dependencies (as pkg 1.2.X did)...

Is it normal or a bug??

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Re: pkg 1.3.X changed behaviour with pkg -fR xxx

2014-07-29 Thread Baptiste Daroussin
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 08:45:32PM -0300, sergio lenzi wrote:
 see the sequence of commands
 
  pkg info -qr db6
 results
 redland-1.0.17_3
 serf-1.3.6_1
 subversion-1.8.9_7
 apr-1.5.1.1.5.3_3
 squidGuard-1.4_9
 cyrus-sasl-saslauthd-2.1.26_1
 evolution-data-server-2.32.1_11
 bogofilter-1.2.4_2
 =
 Now the command
 
 pkg install -fR db6
 
 
 
 Updating repository catalogue
 DIST64 repository is up-to-date
 All repositories are up-to-date
 Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting)
 The following 1 packages will be affected (of 1037 checked):
 
 Installed packages to be REINSTALLED:
   db6-6.1.19 (forced reinstall)
 ===
 look that it will reinstall db6 (which is correct)
 but not will reinstall the other packages as the manual says so...
 
 Another missing thing is that pkg upgrade 
 will not reinstall the packages that changed options or
 that changed direct dependencies (as pkg 1.2.X did)...
 
 Is it normal or a bug??
 
This is a bug can you open a ticket on github?

regards,
Bapt


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