Re: FreeBSD weakness.

[Lloyd Hayes]

Linux is for people who hate Micro$oft.
BSD is for people who love Unix.
Under these conditions, I guess that I need to go for Linux...
Seriously, one thing that catches my attention is that I don't see any 
really great differences between the BSD (Any version) and the Linux 
community. In doing some reading, it appears that the people at KDE and 
Gnome, as well as many others, have this same thought. I was actually 
pointed in the FreeBSD direction by a magazine writer whom I was 
communicating with about the future of Linux. We talked by email and he 
thought that FreeBSD had to most promise of a good future. He suggested 
that I should check FreeBSD out.

Understand that learning UNIX is not my end goal. It may happen in the 
process, but being a master of the UNIX system is not my end goal. Nor 
is writing programs my goal. I wrote a ton of programs 20 years ago, but 
I haven't written a single line of code in 10 years. I have no wish to 
work in an IT shop anywhere. My goal is simply to keep some of my older 
computers useful. I care less about which operating system I am using as 
long as it does the job that I want. This business of buying new 
computers every year or two is a Micro$oft idea. It is also an idea that 
needs to be re-thought.

Micro$oft is great about jumping onto new technology with half-baked 
software. When they get close to fixing their software, then they 
abandon it for new technology and more half-baked software expecting 
people to buy the new hardware/software. It's a system that Micro$oft 
can't be beaten at. I simply think that it is time for a change.

(I'm not against new ideas. But I hate keeping up with Mr. Gates.)
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Tom McLaughlin wrote:
On Sat, 2004-06-19 at 15:40, Jorn Argelo wrote:
 

Lloyd Hayes wrote:
   

I finally decided that I needed to get more information on FreeBSD. I 
got it up and running, then I did something else and I start getting 
errors again

So I just ordered 3 books on FreeBSD from Amazon. In most of the 
reviews posted there about the books, people were complaining about 
weak documentation, too much information about things that they were 
not interested in, and errors in the in the books which seems to be 
the most common complaint. In my very short recent history with 
FreeBSD, I've formed the opinion that documenting FreeBSD is it's 
greatest weakness. FreeBSD needs someone who can actually type to 
write a good book for beginners who have never seen UNIX code. A book 
is needed with examples that actually WORK! Examples that are 
explained in plain English. There seems to be very few books on 
FreeBSD around.
 

Beginners who never seen UNIX coude shouldn't start with FreeBSD in the 
first place, if you ask me. They should start Mandrake Linux or SuSe or 
something of the sorts. FreeBSD isn't made to make an "user friendly" 
operating system, as Mandrake Linux is aiming at. You just have to know 
some Unix stuff before you even start with FreeBSD.
   

I would have to disgree having my first *nix experience five years ago
with Mandrake and switching to FreeBSD a number of months ago.  I
switched to FreeBSD because I felt my unix skills were getting rusty. 
When I started with Mandrake I did most of my system configuration and
administration from the command line and I learned a lot of unix in
those first few years.  

Over time with the inclusion of more GUI based tools that became
harder.  Files seemed to keep moving or configuration was spread across
too many files.  I believe you end up becomming too dependant on the
distribution specific configuration tools with Linux and you don't
truely learn the system.  For anyone who really wants to learn unix the
BSDs are the place to start.
Linux is for people who hate Micro$oft.
BSD is for people who love Unix.
Tom
 

I have the book on the below link, and I must say it is very very good. 
Good examples and clearly elaborated, though it lacks in-depth 
information, which might be handy for more advanced users. It's good for 
beginners who are comfortable in a Unix or Linux enviroment. Why don't 
you give that one a shot?

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0072224096/104-0798845-8369533?v=glance
And what about our own FreeBSD Handbook? Don't tell me that that is bad, 
because there is book that can beat it if you ask me.

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/
Cheers,
Jorn
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[FreeBSD] Silly Question

[LW Ellis]

Ok gang don't be to rough.
I am a long time windows user, 
and am used to running disk maintenance.
Scandisk, defrag, etc
Do I need to run something similar on FreeBSD?
or not?
I let my machine run 24/7 and have received the weekend reports
(which I found fascinating.)
If I need to run such apps, which one in the
ports do I chose?

Thanx all

Later, 
Leon
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
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Re: [FreeBSD] Silly Question

[Edd]

fsck is what your looking for.

To find out more type:
man fsck

On 6/21/2004, "LW Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Ok gang don't be to rough.
>I am a long time windows user,
>and am used to running disk maintenance.
>Scandisk, defrag, etc
>Do I need to run something similar on FreeBSD?
>or not?
>I let my machine run 24/7 and have received the weekend reports
>(which I found fascinating.)
>If I need to run such apps, which one in the
>ports do I chose?
>
>Thanx all
>
>Later,
>Leon
>A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
>Sir Winston Churchill
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Re: FreeBSD weakness(It's not. hear my story)

[Lloyd Hayes]

I liked your story.
Here is mine. In the 1980s, I was offered programming jobs at Microsoft 
and Intuit, and few other companies. I wasn't sure if I was willing to 
commit to working full time on computers. Up until this point, writing 
computer programs had simply been a hobby. So, I went back to college 
and buried myself in a year of intensive computer classes. (No UNIX.) I 
came out of it with 4.0 grade average, job offers by the US Government, 
and an intense dislike of computers. I worked myself back into liking 
computers afterwards as long as it was a passive acquaintance. I like 
using computers for work, communication and recreation. I don't like 
spending all day, every day, on them. Needless to say, I didn't take 
anyones job offer which related to computers.

As I have mentioned earlier, my only goal here is to setup some older 
computers of mine and keep them useful.

I'll repeat this so there is no misunderstanding. The people here have 
been great in their response to help! But there is also no getting 
around the fact that I am much older (54) and less able to absorb new 
ideas as fast

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Mark Jayson Alvarez wrote:
Hi Lloyd,
  Let me share you my experience with learning
freebsd. I promise you... you'll throw away those
expensive books that you have bought after reading my
story.. 

   A few months ago, I was totally a Windows user.
I've already heard about Linux from a friend but not
exactly Unix.. That friend of mine was convincing me
to use the same OS he's using but I refused to cause
I've seen nothing graphical with he's OS(running the
whole thing in Terminal without using any Desktop
environment). But then something bright have sparked
in my mind and decided to search Google for "best
Operating System". And so I've landed on Windows,
Freebsd, MacOS and, Linux comparison.. Of the four
OS's featured, I've never heard anything about FreeBSD
and so I went to their site to find out more... And my
journey began there...
  After finishing the installation of Freebsd(using
only the handbook and nothing else) I've landed on
this so called terminal.. Mind you, I'm completely new
to Unix and I know not a thing, not even the "ls"
command.. Learning that FreeBSD is a Unix like
operating system, I began searching google for "Unix
commands" and I've downloaded something in PDF format
comparing the commands in MSDOS(which I'm used with)
and those that are used in Unix..
  And that's it!!! With a few resources at hand I was
able to do all of the things I used to do in Windows
without having too much trouble in FreeBSD.. 
Now, I'm still reading FreeBSD's Handbook and I'm
already on the Chapter 19-Advance Networking..
preparing my self for a career in Networking being
just a fresh graduate..
 I tell you... learning one thing is not about the
those fancy Documents and instructions that would help
you out along the way... It's about having that
willingness and passion to learn that thing.. It's
about having the confidence that, "hey, if they've
learned this, why can't I?!" Knowledge is a long race,
and don't you worry my friend.. you're not the last in
this race... 'cause no one has ever gone too far..

  Hope this thought would help you out and all of
those beginners like "us" whom would want to dwell
into the simple but complicated world of Unix
computing...
Regards to all Mailers
-jay:-)

--- Lloyd Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

I finally decided that I needed to get more
information on FreeBSD. I 
got it up and running, then I did something else and
I start getting 
errors again

So I just ordered 3 books on FreeBSD from Amazon. In
most of the reviews 
posted there about the books, people were
complaining about weak 
documentation, too much information about things
that they were not 
interested in, and errors in the in the books which
seems to be the most 
common complaint. In my very short recent history
with FreeBSD, I've 
formed the opinion that documenting FreeBSD is it's
greatest weakness. 
FreeBSD needs someone who can actually type to write
a good book for 
beginners who have never seen UNIX code. A book is
needed with examples 
that actually WORK! Examples that are explained in
plain English. There 
seems to be very few books on FreeBSD around.

I have decided that it is a very good operating
system which I need to 
learn more about. And yes, I have all of the links
that everyone sent 
me. Thanks for all of the info.

--
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Encoding MPEG2 using open source software

[Edd]

Hi there,
Maybe the question I am asking is how do I burn a dvd using open source.
But I know that dvd's ar encoded in MPEG2. Apparently  ffmpeg can
encode mpeg2, but I havent been able to get mencoder (compiled against
ffmpeg) to work for me. Anyone have any tips?

Thanks!
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Re: [FreeBSD] Silly Question

[Jan Muenther]

> fsck is what your looking for.
> 
> To find out more type:
> man fsck

Hm, not really. UFS doesn't fragment as hard as FAT or NTFS do, so there's no
need to actively defragment it.
It's just a tad bit more clever with block allocation than those other file-
systems. 

You don't need to run fsck manually, on a regular basis. It's there to fix
things when problems appear or you didn't dismount the filesystems normally.

In that case, /etc/rc runs it anyway... in some rare cases you need to run it
from single user mode, but hey, you'll notice when you need to do that :>


Cheers, J.
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Re: Encoding MPEG2 using open source software

[Marc Fonvieille]

On Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 08:52:45AM +0100, Edd wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> Maybe the question I am asking is how do I burn a dvd using open source.
> But I know that dvd's ar encoded in MPEG2. Apparently  ffmpeg can
> encode mpeg2, but I havent been able to get mencoder (compiled against
> ffmpeg) to work for me. Anyone have any tips?
>

If you really want to use ffmpeg, you should install transcode which
provides encoding profiles and can use ffmpeg or mpeg2enc for MPEG2
encoding.

Marc
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Thanx [FreeBSD] Silly Question

[LW Ellis]

Cool, I noticed that it was not as defragged as W*
would have been with all the stuff I've been doing.
I am beginning to really like BSD...

Leon
>
> You don't need to run fsck manually, on a regular basis. It's there to fix
> things when problems appear or you didn't dismount the filesystems
normally.
>
> In that case, /etc/rc runs it anyway... in some rare cases you need to run
it
> from single user mode, but hey, you'll notice when you need to do that :>
>
>
> Cheers, J.

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Re: FreeBSD weakness.

[Muhammad Reza]

BSD cant do multipath routing behind NAT, just like iproute(8) Linux,
hope Paul Hening Kamp Patch will work...
regards
reza
Linux is for people who hate Micro$oft.
BSD is for people who love Unix.

Under these conditions, I guess that I need to go for Linux...
Seriously, one thing that catches my attention is that I don't see any 
really great differences between the BSD (Any version) and the Linux 
community. In doing some reading, it appears that the people at KDE 
and Gnome, as well as many others, have this same thought. I was 
actually pointed in the FreeBSD direction by a magazine writer whom I 
was communicating with about the future of Linux. We talked by email 
and he thought that FreeBSD had to most promise of a good future. He 
suggested that I should check FreeBSD out.

Understand that learning UNIX is not my end goal. It may happen in the 
process, but being a master of the UNIX system is not my end goal. Nor 
is writing programs my goal. I wrote a ton of programs 20 years ago, 
but I haven't written a single line of code in 10 years. I have no 
wish to work in an IT shop anywhere. My goal is simply to keep some of 
my older computers useful. I care less about which operating system I 
am using as long as it does the job that I want. This business of 
buying new computers every year or two is a Micro$oft idea. It is also 
an idea that needs to be re-thought.

Micro$oft is great about jumping onto new technology with half-baked 
software. When they get close to fixing their software, then they 
abandon it for new technology and more half-baked software expecting 
people to buy the new hardware/software. It's a system that Micro$oft 
can't be beaten at. I simply think that it is time for a change.

(I'm not against new ideas. But I hate keeping up with Mr. Gates.)
Lloyd Hayes
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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E-FAX Number: (208) 248-6590
Web Journal: http://lloyd_hayes.bravejournal.com/

Tom McLaughlin wrote:
On Sat, 2004-06-19 at 15:40, Jorn Argelo wrote:

Lloyd Hayes wrote:

I finally decided that I needed to get more information on FreeBSD. 
I got it up and running, then I did something else and I start 
getting errors again

So I just ordered 3 books on FreeBSD from Amazon. In most of the 
reviews posted there about the books, people were complaining about 
weak documentation, too much information about things that they 
were not interested in, and errors in the in the books which seems 
to be the most common complaint. In my very short recent history 
with FreeBSD, I've formed the opinion that documenting FreeBSD is 
it's greatest weakness. FreeBSD needs someone who can actually type 
to write a good book for beginners who have never seen UNIX code. A 
book is needed with examples that actually WORK! Examples that are 
explained in plain English. There seems to be very few books on 
FreeBSD around.

Beginners who never seen UNIX coude shouldn't start with FreeBSD in 
the first place, if you ask me. They should start Mandrake Linux or 
SuSe or something of the sorts. FreeBSD isn't made to make an "user 
friendly" operating system, as Mandrake Linux is aiming at. You just 
have to know some Unix stuff before you even start with FreeBSD.

I would have to disgree having my first *nix experience five years ago
with Mandrake and switching to FreeBSD a number of months ago. I
switched to FreeBSD because I felt my unix skills were getting rusty. 
When I started with Mandrake I did most of my system configuration and
administration from the command line and I learned a lot of unix in
those first few years.
Over time with the inclusion of more GUI based tools that became
harder. Files seemed to keep moving or configuration was spread across
too many files. I believe you end up becomming too dependant on the
distribution specific configuration tools with Linux and you don't
truely learn the system. For anyone who really wants to learn unix the
BSDs are the place to start.

Linux is for people who hate Micro$oft.
BSD is for people who love Unix.
Tom

I have the book on the below link, and I must say it is very very 
good. Good examples and clearly elaborated, though it lacks in-depth 
information, which might be handy for more advanced users. It's good 
for beginners who are comfortable in a Unix or Linux enviroment. Why 
don't you give that one a shot?

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0072224096/104-0798845-8369533?v=glance 

And what about our own FreeBSD Handbook? Don't tell me that that is 
bad, because there is book that can beat it if you ask me.

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/
Cheers,
Jorn
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Re: FreeBSD weakness(It's not. hear my story)

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On 2004-06-21 01:42, Lloyd Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'll repeat this so there is no misunderstanding. The people here have
> been great in their response to help! But there is also no getting
> around the fact that I am much older (54) and less able to absorb new
> ideas as fast

That's okay.  My mother is around that age and started using a computer
about a year ago.  She doesn't want to be a hot-shot programmer or even
anything remotely related to an IT professional.  No time for that just
yet, what with a full time job as a teacher in primary school and all
the rest of the stuff she does at home.

Yet, she has actually managed to learn quite an astonishing amount of
things by spending a total of less than 200 hours during a period that
lasted almost a year and a half.

So, it's not impossible to learn using a computer even at this age.  I'm
not saying it's easy either, mind you.  But it *can* be done ;)

- Giorgos

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pam_group in FBSD 4.8?

[Andrew McNaughton]

I've got an offshore server which is running FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE.
Because of the awkwardness of physical access in case of problems.

I would however like to have one of the features to have been added since
4.8 - namely the pam_group access control module.

Can anyone tell me what's involved to retrofit pam_group into FBSD 4.8?
Has anyone done this already?

Are there any alternative pam modules I could use to specify which set of
users can use a given service?

Andrew McNaughton



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Re: [FreeBSD] Silly Question

[Sergey Zaharchenko]

On Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 10:12:02AM +0200,
 Jan Muenther probably wrote:
> > fsck is what your looking for.
> > 
> > To find out more type:
> > man fsck
> 
> Hm, not really. UFS doesn't fragment as hard as FAT or NTFS do, so there's no
> need to actively defragment it.

Just a small correction: fsck has nothing to do with fragmentation (if
only reporting it), it does integrity checking.

> It's just a tad bit more clever with block allocation than those other file-
> systems. 
> You don't need to run fsck manually, on a regular basis.

You really don't need to do that, but it's because the ffs filesystem is
more clever at being consistent than FAT, and not because it's
cleverer at allocating blocks (though it certainly is).

HTH,

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Slocate?

[Jon Adams]

Okay, I am a relative FreeBSD newbie, my main question is
Is there a tool similar to Linux secure locate (slocate) that can be 
used on FreeBSD. I dont want to do a complicated find with
50 million options to find a file.  I downloaded the slocate-2.7 source 
and I get a weird makefile error I have never seen before.

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Nova Southeastern University

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Re: linux-realplay and esd

[Danny Pansters]

On Sunday 20 June 2004 12:04, grint wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I want use linux-realplay with esound, but when i try it i have some error.
> I search about it in google, and find that i must have libesd.so.0, but
> i have only libesd.so.2. I create symlink to libesd.so.0 from libesd.so.2.
> And now when i try use realplay i have coredump realplay.

libesd.so.2 is "ours", you probably need the linux esd port for running 
through linux compat, Try /usr/ports/audio/linux-esound, it installs into 
/usr/compat/linux.


HTH,

Dan
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Re: Slocate?

[Matthew Seaman]

On Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 06:24:58AM -0400, Jon Adams wrote:
> Okay, I am a relative FreeBSD newbie, my main question is
> 
> Is there a tool similar to Linux secure locate (slocate) that can be 
> used on FreeBSD. I dont want to do a complicated find with
> 50 million options to find a file.  I downloaded the slocate-2.7 source 
> and I get a weird makefile error I have never seen before.

locate(1) comes with the system.  By default the locate database gets
updated weekly by the /etc/periodic/weekly/310.locate script -- this
script builds the database using the 'nobody' UID, so generally files
that are not world readable will not be included.  If I remember
correctly, that's about the same as what slocate does to build it's
database of files (and what earns it that 's' title...)

Cheers,

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RE: kdm and startkde

[Ruben Bloemgarten]

Show us your ~/.xinit ! for kdm/xdm/gdm, -> check your hostname. 
Try to run xdm, gdm and kdm manually and let us know if there is any
difference between them.

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Subject: kdm and startkde

hello,
  I am having some problems with startkde and kdm. When I run 
startkde i get the following outpit;
  
 xset: unable to open dispaly ""
 xsetroot: unable to open display ''
 startkde: starting up...
 ksplash cannot connect to X server
 kdeinit: Aborting. $DISPLAY is not set
 Warning: connect() failed: : no such file or directory
 ksmserver : cannot connect to X server
 startkde: shutting down
 Warning: connect() failed: : no such file or directory
 Error : Can't contact kdeinit!
 startkde: Running shutdown scripts
 startkde: done

When I run startx kde runs fine.
  
   When I edit /etc/ttys to enable a graphical login, kdm runs but 
nothing happens when I log in. The login screen is just reloaded. Any 
help would be great.

Brett 


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Terminal Server

[Mike Miocevich]

Hi,

Can FreeBSD act like Windows Terminal Server, i.e. remote access, multiple sessions?

Thanks,

Mike
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Question about KVM switch

[Hillman Dai]

Hi all,

I have just installed the FreeBSD 5.2.1 and I'm using
a KVM switch to share the monitor, mouse and keyboard.
I could managed to use keyboard while the mouse still
doesn't work. Could you help me to solve the problem?
What kind of command I could use to check and which
file you want me to send back to you?

The brand of the KVM switch is:
Name: IOGear
Model: GCS52U

Thank You for your support!

Regards,
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ping command question

[adrian kok]

Hi all

Do you know why the command "ping" in unix and window
is different?

I start from one ISP to ping other ISP

1/ If the following result from window, it is good or
not?
lost = 7 within 3 thousand packets

2/ how do I kow the average ms is good or not?

3/ Which one (unix or window) is best for testing?

Thank you very much for your advice

Reply from 66.49.4.148: bytes=32 time=99ms TTL=57
Reply from 66.49.4.148: bytes=32 time=109ms TTL=57
Reply from 66.49.4.148: bytes=32 time=100ms TTL=57
Reply from 66.49.4.148: bytes=32 time=95ms TTL=57

Ping statistics for 66.49.4.148:
Packets: Sent = 3534, Received = 3527, Lost = 7
(0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 89ms, Maximum =  640ms, Average =  102ms
Control-C


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ping command question

[adrian kok]

Hi all

Do you know why the command "ping" in unix and window
is different?

I start from one ISP to ping other ISP

1/ If the following result from window, it is good or
not?
lost = 7 within 3 thousand packets

2/ how do I kow the average ms is good or not?

3/ Which one (unix or window) is best for testing?

Thank you very much for your advice

Reply from 66.49.4.148: bytes=32 time=99ms TTL=57
Reply from 66.49.4.148: bytes=32 time=109ms TTL=57
Reply from 66.49.4.148: bytes=32 time=100ms TTL=57
Reply from 66.49.4.148: bytes=32 time=95ms TTL=57

Ping statistics for 66.49.4.148:
Packets: Sent = 3534, Received = 3527, Lost = 7
(0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 89ms, Maximum =  640ms, Average =  102ms
Control-C


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Aboout pptp+ipfw

[С.В.Сальский]

Hello,

What ports I should pass in ipfw for vpn - pptp (poptop)? 

ipfw add allow tcp from any to my-gateway 1723
ipfw add allow tcp from my-gateway 1723 to any

is not working...

With best regards,

Sege V. Salsky
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FreeBSD weakness.

[epilogue]

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 00:59:58 -0600
Lloyd Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >Linux is for people who hate Micro$oft.
> >BSD is for people who love Unix.
> 
> Under these conditions, I guess that I need to go for Linux...
> 
> Seriously, one thing that catches my attention is that I don't see any 
> really great differences between the BSD (Any version) and the Linux 
> community. In doing some reading, it appears that the people at KDE and 

Hello Lloyd,

I can't help but piping in here with my (er, someone else's) 2 cents.  For
a nice overview of the fundamental differences (and similarities) between
FreeBSD and Linux-choose-your-flavour, take a gander at the following
article...

http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/bsd4linux1.php

It is a well written and rewarding read which presents (IMHO) a fair and
balanced take on the matter.  I have had only 'thanks' from those to whom I
have provided the link.

Hope that this provides you with a footing solid enough to make a
comfortable and informed decision.


Cheers,
epi

> Gnome, as well as many others, have this same thought. I was actually 
> pointed in the FreeBSD direction by a magazine writer whom I was 
> communicating with about the future of Linux. We talked by email and he 
> thought that FreeBSD had to most promise of a good future. He suggested 
> that I should check FreeBSD out.
> 
> Understand that learning UNIX is not my end goal. It may happen in the 
> process, but being a master of the UNIX system is not my end goal. Nor 
> is writing programs my goal. I wrote a ton of programs 20 years ago, but 
> I haven't written a single line of code in 10 years. I have no wish to 
> work in an IT shop anywhere. My goal is simply to keep some of my older 
> computers useful. I care less about which operating system I am using as 
> long as it does the job that I want. This business of buying new 
> computers every year or two is a Micro$oft idea. It is also an idea that 
> needs to be re-thought.
> 
> Micro$oft is great about jumping onto new technology with half-baked 
> software. When they get close to fixing their software, then they 
> abandon it for new technology and more half-baked software expecting 
> people to buy the new hardware/software. It's a system that Micro$oft 
> can't be beaten at. I simply think that it is time for a change.
> 
> (I'm not against new ideas. But I hate keeping up with Mr. Gates.)
> 
> Lloyd Hayes
> 
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> URL: http://TalkingStaff.bravehost.com
> E-FAX Number: (208) 248-6590
> Web Journal: http://lloyd_hayes.bravejournal.com/
> 
> 
> 
> Tom McLaughlin wrote:
> 
> >On Sat, 2004-06-19 at 15:40, Jorn Argelo wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>Lloyd Hayes wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>I finally decided that I needed to get more information on FreeBSD. I 
> >>>got it up and running, then I did something else and I start getting 
> >>>errors again
> >>>
> >>>So I just ordered 3 books on FreeBSD from Amazon. In most of the 
> >>>reviews posted there about the books, people were complaining about 
> >>>weak documentation, too much information about things that they were 
> >>>not interested in, and errors in the in the books which seems to be 
> >>>the most common complaint. In my very short recent history with 
> >>>FreeBSD, I've formed the opinion that documenting FreeBSD is it's 
> >>>greatest weakness. FreeBSD needs someone who can actually type to 
> >>>write a good book for beginners who have never seen UNIX code. A book 
> >>>is needed with examples that actually WORK! Examples that are 
> >>>explained in plain English. There seems to be very few books on 
> >>>FreeBSD around.
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>Beginners who never seen UNIX coude shouldn't start with FreeBSD in the
> >>first place, if you ask me. They should start Mandrake Linux or SuSe or
> >>something of the sorts. FreeBSD isn't made to make an "user friendly" 
> >>operating system, as Mandrake Linux is aiming at. You just have to know
> >>some Unix stuff before you even start with FreeBSD.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I would have to disgree having my first *nix experience five years ago
> >with Mandrake and switching to FreeBSD a number of months ago.  I
> >switched to FreeBSD because I felt my unix skills were getting rusty. 
> >When I started with Mandrake I did most of my system configuration and
> >administration from the command line and I learned a lot of unix in
> >those first few years.  
> >
> >Over time with the inclusion of more GUI based tools that became
> >harder.  Files seemed to keep moving or configuration was spread across
> >too many files.  I believe you end up becomming too dependant on the
> >distribution specific configuration tools with Linux and you don't
> >truely learn the system.  For anyone who really wants to learn unix the
> >BSDs are the place to start.
> >
> >Linux is for people who hate Micro$oft.
> >BSD is for people who love Unix.
> >
> >Tom
> >
> >  
> >
> >>I have the book on the below link, and I must s

Re: Terminal Server

[John Oxley]

On Sun 2004-06-20 (11:00), Mike Miocevich wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Can FreeBSD act like Windows Terminal Server, i.e. remote access, multiple sessions?

Hi Mike,

The short answer is yes.

The longer answer is FreeBSD, like all unices, has been built from the ground up as a
multi-user network operating system.

Allowing multiple users to work at the same time on a FreeBSD box is as
simple as enabling ssh and adding users to the system.  If you want to
give them graphical access, you can use X forwarding, or if you are on
windows machines, VNC.  I recommend TightVNC (http://www.tightvnc.com/).
I have worked on an easy way to allow users a graphical login without
having to make them run X servers on windows or manually setup a VNC
session.  It is documented at
http://oxo.rucus.net/docs/Terminal-Vnc-HOWTO

It is incomplete at the moment.  All I need to do is clean up the
presentation and grammar (I was always better at maths :), and insert
instructions on use of KDE's Desktop Manager.

-Ox

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Re: Question about KVM switch

[Bill Moran]

Hillman Dai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I have just installed the FreeBSD 5.2.1 and I'm using
> a KVM switch to share the monitor, mouse and keyboard.
> I could managed to use keyboard while the mouse still
> doesn't work. Could you help me to solve the problem?
> What kind of command I could use to check and which
> file you want me to send back to you?
> 
> The brand of the KVM switch is:
> Name: IOGear
> Model: GCS52U
> 
> Thank You for your support!

Have to tried plugging the mouse directly into the machine
to ensure that it's not the mouse that's the problem.

Are you trying to use the mouse in X?  If so, what are the
symptoms?  What steps have you taken to enable the mouse?
Did you install/configure moused?

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ping command question

[epilogue]

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:56:32 +0800 (CST)
adrian kok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> Do you know why the command "ping" in unix and window
> is different?
> 

Not if and how they are different.  Perhaps someone else can help out
here...

> I start from one ISP to ping other ISP
> 
> 1/ If the following result from window, it is good or
> not?
> lost = 7 within 3 thousand packets
> 

In your results, you'll notice that you lost 7 packets out of over 3500,
which translates to a loss of 0%.  In internetworking, it is
generally normal for the odd packet to get lost along the way (for a
variety of reasons).  Simply analysing the loss rate is not enough to know
if your connection is behaving as it should (1), nor does it help to
pinpoint where a problem may be (2).

(1) Unless you know the expected latency of the path you're testing,
you're not going to get very far.  You'll have to read up (books/google) on
networking latencies in order to get a better handle on this.

(2) Unless you're pinging each hop along the way to your final destination
or using traceroute, you're never going to understand where a perceived
problem lies.  Again, networking books and google are your friends here.


HTH,
epi


> 2/ how do I kow the average ms is good or not?
> 
> 3/ Which one (unix or window) is best for testing?
> 
> Thank you very much for your advice
> 
> Reply from 66.49.4.148: bytes=32 time=99ms TTL=57
> Reply from 66.49.4.148: bytes=32 time=109ms TTL=57
> Reply from 66.49.4.148: bytes=32 time=100ms TTL=57
> Reply from 66.49.4.148: bytes=32 time=95ms TTL=57
> 
> Ping statistics for 66.49.4.148:
> Packets: Sent = 3534, Received = 3527, Lost = 7
> (0% loss),
^^^
> Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
> Minimum = 89ms, Maximum =  640ms, Average =  102ms
> Control-C
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: ping command question

[Bill Moran]

adrian kok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> Do you know why the command "ping" in unix and window
> is different?

Yes.

> I start from one ISP to ping other ISP
> 
> 1/ If the following result from window, it is good or
> not?
> lost = 7 within 3 thousand packets

No, that's not good.  There's no reason to be losing any
packets, unless there's a network problems.

However, depending on who those two ISPs are and how far
away from each other, that may be acceptable.

> 2/ how do I kow the average ms is good or not?

Is it fast enough?

> 3/ Which one (unix or window) is best for testing?

The Unix one.  Last I checked, the windows one rounded off
the RTTs, thus making it inaccurate for testing.

> Thank you very much for your advice
> 
> Reply from 66.49.4.148: bytes=32 time=99ms TTL=57
> Reply from 66.49.4.148: bytes=32 time=109ms TTL=57
> Reply from 66.49.4.148: bytes=32 time=100ms TTL=57
> Reply from 66.49.4.148: bytes=32 time=95ms TTL=57
> 
> Ping statistics for 66.49.4.148:
> Packets: Sent = 3534, Received = 3527, Lost = 7
> (0% loss),
> Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
> Minimum = 89ms, Maximum =  640ms, Average =  102ms
> Control-C

It seems like you've got a LOT of variation.  Either your sharing that net
connection with a lot of other services, or you've got problems.

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Re: Terminal Server

[Nico Meijer]

Hi Mike,
Can FreeBSD act like Windows Terminal Server, i.e. remote access, multiple sessions?
Yes.
HTH... Nico
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Re: dpt on old PC

[Steve Bertrand]

> I have compiled a kernel (based on 4.10) on a newer PC with several
> options to get my dpt scsi controller for my older PC to work.
>
> The size of the kernel is bigger than an 1.44MB  floppy disk. How can I
> make a kern.flp ready floppy with my new kernel ?

How much bigger is it? Can you eliminate all other devices for which you
don't need support?

You could put the floppy onto a CD, however, this is something I've not
had the need to do so perhaps someone on the list could point you in the
right direction.

Steve
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Re: [FreeBSD] Silly Question

[Bill Moran]

"LW Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ok gang don't be to rough.
> I am a long time windows user, 
> and am used to running disk maintenance.
> Scandisk, defrag, etc
> Do I need to run something similar on FreeBSD?
> or not?
> I let my machine run 24/7 and have received the weekend reports
> (which I found fascinating.)
> If I need to run such apps, which one in the
> ports do I chose?

All the software you need for routine maintenance is already installed and
running.  It's part of the filesystem drivers.

You're probably worried about defragging.  UFS defrags the filesystem as it
goes, and does a damn good job of keeping things organized.  The only potential
problems you might have is if you fill the filesystem very close to full.

As far as disk checks, they are only needed when the system is powered down
imporperly (when the power goes out and you don't have a UPS).  The system will
run the filesystem check program (fsck) automatically on the next boot, and
is usually able to fix any problems without manual intervention.  If things
got really scrambled, you'll be dumped into an emergency shell to fix things
manually.  At that point (being that you're a newbie) your best bet is to
run "fsck -y" which tells fsck to fix everything, even if it might result in
loss of data.

I want to emphasize that the previous paragraph is only important if you don't
shut your system down properly.  Under normal usage, fsck is never needed.

-- 
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Courier-imap + Postfix problem

[Gareth Bailey]

Hi all,

This problem has to do with my
mail setup. I'm running postfix MTA and courier-imap
server.

My maillog file is filled with messages like the following:



I'm not too sure where to start - i suspect that whatever
is trying to create the cache file doesn't have the
neccesary permissions. If so, what is the location of this
cache file?  Otherwise, any other suggestions would be most
welcome.

Thanks,
Gareth
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CURRENT does not build (annotate.texi)

[Axel S. Gruner]

Hi,

i got some problems building CURRENT maybe someone can tell me what the 
problem is:


echo "@set VERSION "2.15 [FreeBSD] 2004-05-23"" > ldver.texi
ln 
-sf /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/doc/../../../../contrib/binutils/ld/gen-doc.texi 
configdoc.texi
makeinfo --no-validate 
-I /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/doc/../../../../contrib/binutils/gas/doc 
-I /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/doc/../../../../contrib/binutils/ld 
-I /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/doc/../../../../contrib/binutils/bfd/doc 
-I /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/doc/../../../../contrib/binutils/binutils 
-I /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/doc/../../../../contrib/gdb/gdb/doc 
-I /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/doc/../../../../contrib/gdb/gdb/mi 
-I /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/doc/../../../../contrib/libreadline/doc 
--no-split -I /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/doc 
-I /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/doc/../../../../contrib/binutils 
/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/doc/../../../../contrib/binutils/ld/ld.texinfo  
-o ld.info
gzip -cn ld.info > ld.info.gz
makeinfo --no-validate 
-I /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/doc/../../../../contrib/binutils/gas/doc 
-I /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/doc/../../../../contrib/binutils/ld 
-I /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/doc/../../../../contrib/binutils/bfd/doc 
-I /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/doc/../../../../contrib/binutils/binutils 
-I /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/doc/../../../../contrib/gdb/gdb/doc 
-I /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/doc/../../../../contrib/gdb/gdb/mi 
-I /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/doc/../../../../contrib/libreadline/doc 
--no-split -I /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/doc 
-I /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/doc/../../../../contrib/binutils 
/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/doc/../../../../contrib/binutils/gas/doc/gasp.texi  
-o gasp.info
gzip -cn gasp.info > gasp.info.gz
ln 
-sf /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/doc/../../../../contrib/gdb/gdb/doc/all-cfg.texi 
gdb-cfg.texi
echo "@set GDBVN `sed 
q /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/doc/../../../../contrib/gdb/gdb/version.in`" 
> GDBvn.texi
make: don't know how to make annotate.texi. Stop
*** Error code 2

Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/gnu.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.

Thanks in advance,

asg
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Re: Aboout pptp+ipfw

[Christian Hiris]

On Monday 21 June 2004 05:49, С.В.Сальский wrote:
> Hello,
>
> What ports I should pass in ipfw for vpn - pptp (poptop)?
>
> ipfw add allow tcp from any to my-gateway 1723
> ipfw add allow tcp from my-gateway 1723 to any
>
> is not working...

You are missing the rules to allow the GRE (Generic Routing Encapsulation) 
protocol.

ipfw add allow 47 from any to my-gateway
ipfw add allow 47 from my-gateway to any

regards
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Re: Terminal Server

[Bill Moran]

"Mike Miocevich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Can FreeBSD act like Windows Terminal Server, i.e. remote access, multiple
> sessions?

I know of no software that will server as a "Windows Terminal Server" on 
FreeBSD.

However, as others have pointed out, there are a number of alternatives: ssh
if you don't need a GUI, X, and VNC.

I just wanted to clarify that none of these actually use the Windows Terminal
Server protocol, and thus each will require software installed on the clients
as well as the server.

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How to Cure Disk/Controller (RAID) Problem?

[Jud]

I have an ASUS A7V333 motherboard with a Promise 20276 onboard chip
controlling two IBM 120GXP 40GB hard drives in RAID-0 (striped)
configuration.

This configuration has operated flawlessly for years.  However, in the
past two weeks, twice when rebooting after the preliminary stages of a
DragonFlyBSD installation (disklabel -B -r -w ar0s3 auto), my RAID array
has come up broken.  Rather than a two-disk array, it shows in the
Promise FastTrack BIOS as two striped "arrays" consisting of one 40-gig
drive each.  After putting the array back together using the BIOS
(deleting the two single-disk arrays and re-creating the two-disk
RAID-0), the first two slices/partitions in the array (Win2K and a
static pagefile) look normal, but the third gives nonsensical status
information in both Windows and *BSD, e.g., a size of 1600+ GB.  Neither
Win nor *BSD will format this slice/partition.

IBM's Drive Fitness Test (DFT) shows both disks operating normally. 
When I tried to use DFT to write zeroes to both disks preparatory to
reinstalling from backup images, DFT responded that this utility was
only available with IBM drives.  (??)  (This is an older version of DFT.
 I have downloaded the most recent version, but haven't had time to try
it yet.)

I'd very much appreciate advice/recommendations regarding where the
problem might be and how to cure it.

Jud

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Re: Slocate?

[Jon Adams]

Thanks for handling my (really dumb) question...  


-- Jon


Quoting Matthew Seaman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 06:24:58AM -0400, Jon Adams wrote:
> > Okay, I am a relative FreeBSD newbie, my main question is
> > 
> > Is there a tool similar to Linux secure locate (slocate) that can be 
> > used on FreeBSD. I dont want to do a complicated find with
> > 50 million options to find a file.  I downloaded the slocate-2.7 source 
> > and I get a weird makefile error I have never seen before.
> 
> locate(1) comes with the system.  By default the locate database gets
> updated weekly by the /etc/periodic/weekly/310.locate script -- this
> script builds the database using the 'nobody' UID, so generally files
> that are not world readable will not be included.  If I remember
> correctly, that's about the same as what slocate does to build it's
> database of files (and what earns it that 's' title...)
> 
>   Cheers,
> 
>   Matthew
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Overly brief answers (was Re: Terminal Server)

[Bill Moran]

Nico Meijer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Mike,
> 
> > Can FreeBSD act like Windows Terminal Server, i.e. remote access, multiple
> > sessions?
> 
> Yes.

I wanted to start a brief discussion about these kinds of answers to questions.

I've been seeing this quite a bit lately.  I don't know if it's just one person,
of if multiple folks have picked up on it.


This is not an answer to the question.  It does not answer the question and does
not contribute to the OPs knowledge of FreeBSD, nor does it contribute to the
list archives.  It's also a violation of the rule against "me too" answers as
laid out in "How to Get the Best Results from FreeBSD-Questions".  It doesn't
even serve to educate the OP on how to ask better questins.

First off, there are actually two questions hidden in the post: "Can FreeBSD
act as a WTS?", and "can FreeBSD provide the same services as WTS?"  Is "yes"
your answer to both of them?  Because, if it is, I'd like to know which
software allows it to function as a WTS, since my searches have not found any
such software.

This leads to the implied question of "what software provides the capability"
which (despite not being voice, directly) is pretty obvious.  You've totally
ignored that question.  You could say that "technically, he didn't ask" but it
boils down to just being rude.


I'm curious as to whether this is only my opinion, or if others feel the same
way.  I don't think answers like this reflect well on FreeBSD or the FreeBSD
community.  Short answers like "see 'man foo'" are appropriate, as they impart
some knowledge and tell the OP that his question is answered in the indicated
documentation, but this doesn't follow that template.

I do feel that, althought Grog's document doesn't specifically chastise these
types of answers, that they are _not_ in the "spirit" of that document, and do
not serve the purpose of this mailing list.

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CURRENT does not build (annotate.texi) CONFIRMED

[Robert Huff]

Axel S. Gruner writes:

>  i got some problems building CURRENT maybe someone can tell me
>  what the problem is:

I'm having the same issue:

gzip -cn gasp.info > gasp.info.gz
ln -sf /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/doc/../../../../contrib/gdb/gdb/doc/all-cfg.texi 
gdb-cfg.texi
echo "@set GDBVN `sed q 
/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/doc/../../../../contrib/gdb/gdb/version.in`" > GDBvn.texi
make: don't know how to make annotate.texi. Stop
*** Error code 2

Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils.
*** Error code 1


(System info:

FreeBSD 5.2-CURRENT #0: Sat Jun 19 13:47:37 EDT 2004
Source tree updated every midnight EDT.)



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Question about KVM switch

[Robert Huff]

=?big5?q?Hillman=20Dai?= writes:

>  I have just installed the FreeBSD 5.2.1 and I'm using
>  a KVM switch to share the monitor, mouse and keyboard.
>  I could managed to use keyboard while the mouse still
>  doesn't work. Could you help me to solve the problem?
>  What kind of command I could use to check and which
>  file you want me to send back to you?

It you're using X, try using Ctl+Alt+F1 to switch to the system
console, then switch back to X.


Robert Huff


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Overly brief answers (was Re: Terminal Server)

[epilogue]

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:27:44 -0400
Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Nico Meijer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Mike,
> > 
> > > Can FreeBSD act like Windows Terminal Server, i.e. remote access,
> > > multiple sessions?
> > 
> > Yes.
> 
> I wanted to start a brief discussion about these kinds of answers to
> questions.
> 
> I've been seeing this quite a bit lately.  I don't know if it's just one
> person, of if multiple folks have picked up on it.
> 
> 
> This is not an answer to the question.  It does not answer the question
> and does not contribute to the OPs knowledge of FreeBSD, nor does it
> contribute to the list archives.  It's also a violation of the rule
> against "me too" answers as laid out in "How to Get the Best Results from
> FreeBSD-Questions".  It doesn't even serve to educate the OP on how to
> ask better questins.
> 
> First off, there are actually two questions hidden in the post: "Can
> FreeBSD act as a WTS?", and "can FreeBSD provide the same services as
> WTS?"  Is "yes" your answer to both of them?  Because, if it is, I'd like
> to know which software allows it to function as a WTS, since my searches
> have not found any such software.
> 
> This leads to the implied question of "what software provides the
> capability" which (despite not being voice, directly) is pretty obvious. 
> You've totally ignored that question.  You could say that "technically,
> he didn't ask" but it boils down to just being rude.
> 
> 
> I'm curious as to whether this is only my opinion, or if others feel the
> same way.

at the risk of creating a double standard, 'me too'.   ;)

though they aren't particularly helpful answers, i don't believe that being
curt is always the intention.  rather, i think that, in their eagerness to
help 'first', some posters may simply be 'forgetting' to provide
substantive assistance to newcomers and other interested parties.

thanks for taking the time to remind everyone about this, bill.  

wishful thinkingly yours,
epi


> I don't think answers like this reflect well on FreeBSD or the
> FreeBSD community. Short answers like "see 'man foo'" are appropriate, as
> they impart some knowledge and tell the OP that his question is answered
> in the indicated documentation, but this doesn't follow that template.
> 
> I do feel that, althought Grog's document doesn't specifically chastise
> these types of answers, that they are _not_ in the "spirit" of that
> document, and do not serve the purpose of this mailing list.
> 
> -- 
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Re: CURRENT does not build (annotate.texi) CONFIRMED

[Jorn Argelo]

Robert Huff wrote:
Axel S. Gruner writes:
 

i got some problems building CURRENT maybe someone can tell me
what the problem is:
   

I'm having the same issue:
gzip -cn gasp.info > gasp.info.gz
ln -sf /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/doc/../../../../contrib/gdb/gdb/doc/all-cfg.texi 
gdb-cfg.texi
echo "@set GDBVN `sed q 
/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/doc/../../../../contrib/gdb/gdb/version.in`" > GDBvn.texi
make: don't know how to make annotate.texi. Stop
*** Error code 2
Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils.
*** Error code 1
(System info:
FreeBSD 5.2-CURRENT #0: Sat Jun 19 13:47:37 EDT 2004
Source tree updated every midnight EDT.)

Robert Huff
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Umm, guys, I don't want to be rude, but why don't mail it to the CURRENT 
folks? I mean, that's what the mailing list is for :)

Cheers,
Jorn
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Re: Overly brief answers (was Re: Terminal Server)

[Steve Bertrand]

> I'm curious as to whether this is only my opinion, or if others feel the
> same
> way.

I hope this thread in no way leads to a flame war, but I think this is a
good discussion. In no way would I like to bash or flame anyone, but users
who receive responses like this (albeit in this particular question, 'yes'
was technically a proper answer), I believe that the user (particularily
newbs) could quickly become very frustrated and pushed away as they may
see it as a quick and dirty response and feel their question in some way
was 'silly'.

Note that I believe that the only stupid question is the one that isn't
asked, but even those questions that are trivial to some of us deserve
some insight. We must look beyond our own knowledge and remember what it
was like for us when we first began the FBSD journey and realize that
single word responses are certainly not going to help.

Personally when I respond to a question, I try to put myself in the shoes
of the poster, and try to at least give a little insight or direction to
the question as if I asked it myself.

Although as someone has already said, these replies are likely attempts to
quickly help the user, they often mislead and discourage them instead.
It's great that everyone likes to help, but we all should remember the
importance that substance is key to aiding each other.

Just my .02. No offence intended, and no one is perfect, we can only try
our best to help.

sb

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Re: Overly brief answers (was Re: Terminal Server)

[Jerry McAllister]

> 
> Nico Meijer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Mike,
> > 
> > > Can FreeBSD act like Windows Terminal Server, i.e. remote access, multiple
> > > sessions?
> > 
> > Yes.
> 
> I wanted to start a brief discussion about these kinds of answers to 
> questions.
> 
> I've been seeing this quite a bit lately.  I don't know if it's just one 
> person,
> of if multiple folks have picked up on it.
> 
> 
> This is not an answer to the question.  It does not answer the question 
> and does
> not contribute to the OPs knowledge of FreeBSD, nor does it contribute to the
> list archives.  It's also a violation of the rule against "me too" answers as
> laid out in "How to Get the Best Results from FreeBSD-Questions".  It doesn't
> even serve to educate the OP on how to ask better questins.

on the issue of the _short_ answer;   In the case of this question, it is
probably obvious that the poster needed more useful information - at least
a pointer to some info.   Then, it looks bad to just give a smart alec yes
or whatever other less than useful reply.

But, some of these questions - is FreeBSD really free, etc get frustrating 
because it is obvious that the poster didn't even read the first page of 
the web site let alone try and look for an answer.  So, a few of the 
posted questions deserve a mere yes or no answer.
 - this from someone who could more often be accused of giving excessively
long answers to even simple questions...

jerry

> 
> First off, there are actually two questions hidden in the post: "Can FreeBSD
> act as a WTS?", and "can FreeBSD provide the same services as WTS?"  Is "yes"
> your answer to both of them?  Because, if it is, I'd like to know which
> software allows it to function as a WTS, since my searches have not found any
> such software.
> 
> This leads to the implied question of "what software provides the capability"
> which (despite not being voice, directly) is pretty obvious.  You've totally
> ignored that question.  You could say that "technically, he didn't ask" but it
> boils down to just being rude.
> 
> 
> I'm curious as to whether this is only my opinion, or if others feel the same
> way.  I don't think answers like this reflect well on FreeBSD or the FreeBSD
> community.  Short answers like "see 'man foo'" are appropriate, as they impart
> some knowledge and tell the OP that his question is answered in the indicated
> documentation, but this doesn't follow that template.
> 
> I do feel that, althought Grog's document doesn't specifically chastise these
> types of answers, that they are _not_ in the "spirit" of that document, and do
> not serve the purpose of this mailing list.
> 
> -- 
> Bill Moran
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Re: ping command question

[Kirk Strauser]

On Sunday 2004-06-20 07:56 pm, adrian kok wrote:

> I start from one ISP to ping other ISP

That's *probably* the answer.  The machine returning those pings may not be 
the one you think.  For instance, if one of the machines is behind a NAT 
gateway, then the gateway may be returning the pings and not the host you 
think you're pinging.
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Re: Overly brief answers (was Re: Terminal Server)

[Bill Moran]

Jerry McAllister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > Nico Meijer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi Mike,
> > > 
> > > > Can FreeBSD act like Windows Terminal Server, i.e. remote access, multiple
> > > > sessions?
> > > 
> > > Yes.
> > 
> > I wanted to start a brief discussion about these kinds of answers to 
> > questions.
> > 
> > I've been seeing this quite a bit lately.  I don't know if it's just one 
> > person,
> > of if multiple folks have picked up on it.
> > 
> > 
> > This is not an answer to the question.  It does not answer the question 
> > and does
> > not contribute to the OPs knowledge of FreeBSD, nor does it contribute to the
> > list archives.  It's also a violation of the rule against "me too" answers as
> > laid out in "How to Get the Best Results from FreeBSD-Questions".  It doesn't
> > even serve to educate the OP on how to ask better questins.
> 
> on the issue of the _short_ answer;   In the case of this question, it is
> probably obvious that the poster needed more useful information - at least
> a pointer to some info.   Then, it looks bad to just give a smart alec yes
> or whatever other less than useful reply.

I'm wondering if these short "yes" answers aren't all smart-alec, but some of
them are possibly an attempt to answer before anyone else.

I know, I've seen a question I could answer, made sure it hasn't already been
answered (to avoid unnecessary list traffic) then crafted a carefully worded,
helpful answer, only to find 5 others appear at the same time as mine.  Kind
of makes one feel like he's wasting his time.  But it's not an excuse to send
terse, essentally useless answers.

> But, some of these questions - is FreeBSD really free, etc get frustrating 
> because it is obvious that the poster didn't even read the first page of 
> the web site let alone try and look for an answer.  So, a few of the 
> posted questions deserve a mere yes or no answer.

I disagree, as Grog's document clearly states: "if you can't think of anything
nice to say, don't say anything at all" and I consider that list policy.

I understand your frustration.  As someone who's donated a bit to the doc
project, and can only _imagine_ how much effort others have put in to the
high-quality docs that FreeBSD has, I get annoyed when people won't read it
as well.  But I just suck it up and either post a pointer to the docs, or
delete it without answering.

>  - this from someone who could more often be accused of giving excessively
> long answers to even simple questions...
> 
> jerry
> 
> > 
> > First off, there are actually two questions hidden in the post: "Can FreeBSD
> > act as a WTS?", and "can FreeBSD provide the same services as WTS?"  Is "yes"
> > your answer to both of them?  Because, if it is, I'd like to know which
> > software allows it to function as a WTS, since my searches have not found any
> > such software.
> > 
> > This leads to the implied question of "what software provides the capability"
> > which (despite not being voice, directly) is pretty obvious.  You've totally
> > ignored that question.  You could say that "technically, he didn't ask" but it
> > boils down to just being rude.
> > 
> > 
> > I'm curious as to whether this is only my opinion, or if others feel the same
> > way.  I don't think answers like this reflect well on FreeBSD or the FreeBSD
> > community.  Short answers like "see 'man foo'" are appropriate, as they impart
> > some knowledge and tell the OP that his question is answered in the indicated
> > documentation, but this doesn't follow that template.
> > 
> > I do feel that, althought Grog's document doesn't specifically chastise these
> > types of answers, that they are _not_ in the "spirit" of that document, and do
> > not serve the purpose of this mailing list.
> > 
> > -- 
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Re: Encoding MPEG2 using open source software

[Vulpes Velox]

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:52:45 +0100
Edd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Hi there,
> Maybe the question I am asking is how do I burn a dvd using open
> source. But I know that dvd's ar encoded in MPEG2. Apparently 
> ffmpeg can encode mpeg2, but I havent been able to get mencoder
> (compiled against ffmpeg) to work for me. Anyone have any tips?

AFAIK mencoder can just kick out stuff to a avi container and not
mpeg2 streams.
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Re: [FreeBSD] Silly Question

[Jerry McAllister]

> 
> Ok gang don't be to rough.
> I am a long time windows user, 
> and am used to running disk maintenance.
> Scandisk, defrag, etc
> Do I need to run something similar on FreeBSD?
> or not?

Not those, but you should set yourself up a nice backup script/routine
and dump(8) everything to something that can be removed and stored
elsewhere - if what you have on the machine is at all valuable to you.

Otherwise, FreeBSD doesn't need those other types of maintenance.

I suppose you could set up an automated upgrade that runs and 
downloads the latest on everything and builds it.   Some people 
even do that daily.   But, you don't really need to do it that much
unless you are doing development work.  

You could also learn some about security and run various checks on
the system and the net in low use times.  But, that just tends to make
the person who does that more paranoid and obsessive.   So, to avoid
shrink expenses, probably you should go easy on that too.

So, I guess, just do backups and enjoy  your weekends.

jerry

> I let my machine run 24/7 and have received the weekend reports
> (which I found fascinating.)
> If I need to run such apps, which one in the
> ports do I chose?
> 
> Thanx all
> 
> Later, 
> Leon
> A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
> Sir Winston Churchill
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Re: Bittorrent not in ports?

[Gordon Freeman]

Try:

/usr/ports/net/ctorrent
/usr/ports/net/py-torrent
/usr/ports/net/qtorrent
/usr/ports/net/torrentsniff

I am currenlty using py-torrent. But I will be taking a look at the
other two (ctorrent and qtorrent) shortly.

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 13:05:22 -0300, Joey Mingrone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> ..or see:  http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=torrent&stype=all
> 
> There are a few different options for torrent clients.
> 
> On June 18, 2004 22:38, Julian M. Mason wrote:
> > ...is bittorrent really not in ports?
> >
> > my usual
> > # cd /usr/ports ; make search name="bittorrent"
> > and
> > # whereis bittorrent
> >
> > turned up nothing; nor did a wandering around /usr/ports/net.
> >
> > Do I have to actually go and get something myself? 
> >
> >
> > --Mac
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Re: Encoding MPEG2 using open source software

[arden]

i use transcode under linux to re-encode movies into different standards
i think you can do the same under bsd ive burned mpeg2 as svcd before
using vcdimager prob i have is producing a dvd standard file system 
also would like to know if there is a way to shrink dvds down to 4gig in
bsd 

arden 
On Mon, 2004-06-21 at 15:33, Vulpes Velox wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:52:45 +0100
> Edd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Hi there,
> > Maybe the question I am asking is how do I burn a dvd using open
> > source. But I know that dvd's ar encoded in MPEG2. Apparently 
> > ffmpeg can encode mpeg2, but I havent been able to get mencoder
> > (compiled against ffmpeg) to work for me. Anyone have any tips?
> 
> AFAIK mencoder can just kick out stuff to a avi container and not
> mpeg2 streams.
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Audio?

[Tom Moyer]

I am setting up a new computer and the motherboard I am using has integrated audio.  
It says it is Realtek ALC850 does anyone know if it is supported by FreeBSD?  If so, 
what driver should I use?  The motherboard is the Asus P4P800-E Deluxe.
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Re: Partition sizes for small harddisk

[Jerry McAllister]

> 
> On Sun, Jun 20, 2004 at 03:41:53PM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hi
> > > 
> > > I'm trying to install FreeBSD 4.10 on an older computer with a 852 MB hard 
> > > disk.
> > > According to the handbook, 250 MB should suffice for text mode only.
> > > However, both the "User" and (retried) "Minimal" distributions left me 
> > > with no space in /usr
> > > I used the default partitioning (entire disk) and said "No" to the ports 
> > > and linux compatibility prompts.
> > > 
> > > Assuming that the defaults are optimized for larger disks, how would I 
> > > best divide the available space?
> > 
> > With that little disk space, I would be inclined to make it all
> > just one root (/) partition - with a bit of swap.   You might not
> > even be able to have a swap as big as memory with no more disk than 
> > that, but try for a swap of memory size or at least 100 MB or so
> > and the rest in /. 
> > 
> > I think FreeBSD has grown since they made those claims of 250 MB
> > being enough for a minimum.   You might be able to cram it in, 
> > but would have little room for doing anything.   
> 
> That is realy a bad idee.
> 
> / is supposted to be small to limit the change that something
> irriversible happens to it during a crash
> /tmp can be mounted so that it gets a real power boost
> 
> There are many other reason why not to do this. I can't think of them
> this quickly.

We ain't talking a commercial grade server operation here.
With this small a disk, the more space you dead-end by consigning
it to a file system that isn't getting used the more you limit
what you can do -- in this case.   I would not do this if I had
lots of disk, but...

Actually, some of the heavy hitters out there say they have been
leaning toward all / disk partitioning + swap, of course.

jerry

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Re: read vs. mmap (or io vs. page faults)

[Mikhail Teterin]

On Sunday 20 June 2004 08:16 pm, Julian Elischer wrote:
= On Sun, 20 Jun 2004, Matthew Dillon wrote:
[...]
= > It is usually a bad idea to try to populate the page table with
= > all resident pages associated with the a memory mapping, because
= > mmap() is often used to map huge files...
[...]

= pre-faulting is best done by a worker thread or child process, or it
= will just slow you down..

Read is also used for large files sometimes, and never tries to prefetch
the whole file at once. Why can't the same smarts/heuristics be employed
by the page-fault handling code -- especially, if we are so proud of our
unified caching?

If anything mmap/madvise provide the kernel with _more_ information than
read -- kernel just does not use it, it seems.

According to my tests (`fgrep string /huge/file' vs. `fgrep --mmap
string /huge/file') the total CPU time is much less with mmap. But
sometimes the total "wall clock" time is longer with itj because the CPU
is underutilized, when using the mmap method.

4.8-stable on Pentium2-400MHz
mmap: 21.507u 11.472s 1:27.53 37.6%   62+276k 99+0io 44736pf+0w
read: 10.619u 23.814s 1:17.67 44.3%   62+274k 11255+0io 0pf+0w

recent -current on dual P2 Xeon-450MHz (mmap WINS -- SMP?)
mmap: 12.482u 12.872s 2:28.70 17.0%   74+298k 23+0io 46522pf+0w
read: 7.255u 16.366s 3:27.07 11.4%70+283k 44437+0io 7pf+0w

recent -current on a Centrino-laptop P4-1GHz (NO win at all)
mmap: 4.197u 3.920s 2:07.57 6.3%  65+284k 63+0io 45568pf+0w
read: 3.965u 4.265s 1:50.26 7.4%  67+291k 13131+0io 17pf+0w

Linux 2.4.20-30.9bigmem dual P4-3GHz (with a different file)
mmap: 2.280u 4.800s 1:13.39 9.6%  0+0k 0+0io 512434pf+0w
read: 1.630u 2.820s 0:08.89 50.0% 0+0k 0+0io 396pf+0w

The attached md5-computing program is more CPU consuming than fgrep. It
wins with mmap even on the "sceptical" Centrino-laptop -- presumably,
because MD5_Update is not interrupted as much and remains in the
instruction cache:

read: 22.024u 8.418s 1:28.44 34.4%5+166k 10498+0io 4pf+0w
mmap: 21.428u 3.086s 1:23.88 29.2%5+170k 40+0io 19649pf+0w

Once mmap-handling is improved, all sorts of whole-file operations
(bzip2, gzip, md5, sha1) can be made faster...

-mi

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Re: Encoding MPEG2 using open source software

[arden]

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i use transcode under linux to re-encode movies into different standards
i think you can do the same under bsd ive burned mpeg2 as svcd before
using vcdimager prob i have is producing a dvd standard file system 
also would like to know if there is a way to shrink dvds down to 4gig in
bsd 

arden 
On Mon, 2004-06-21 at 15:33, Vulpes Velox wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:52:45 +0100
> Edd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Hi there,
> > Maybe the question I am asking is how do I burn a dvd using open
> > source. But I know that dvd's ar encoded in MPEG2. Apparently 
> > ffmpeg can encode mpeg2, but I havent been able to get mencoder
> > (compiled against ffmpeg) to work for me. Anyone have any tips?
> 
> AFAIK mencoder can just kick out stuff to a avi container and not
> mpeg2 streams.
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Re: Audio?

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On Monday 21 June 2004 16.55, Tom Moyer wrote:
> I am setting up a new computer and the motherboard I am using has
> integrated audio.  It says it is Realtek ALC850 does anyone know if it is
> supported by FreeBSD?  If so, what driver should I use?  The motherboard is
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Hi Tom.
Just a wild guess.
In your kernel, add  " device  pcm # Enable soundcard "
without the quotes offcourse.

Hope It helped.
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Re: Overly brief answers (was Re: Terminal Server)

[Jerry McAllister]

> 

> > > I wanted to start a brief discussion about these kinds of answers to 
> > > questions.
> > > 
> > > I've been seeing this quite a bit lately.  I don't know if it's just one 
> > > person,
> > > of if multiple folks have picked up on it.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > This is not an answer to the question.  It does not answer the question 
> > > and does
> > > not contribute to the OPs knowledge of FreeBSD, nor does it contribute to the
> > > list archives.  It's also a violation of the rule against "me too" answers as
> > > laid out in "How to Get the Best Results from FreeBSD-Questions".  It doesn't
> > > even serve to educate the OP on how to ask better questins.
> > 
> > on the issue of the _short_ answer;   In the case of this question, it is
> > probably obvious that the poster needed more useful information - at least
> > a pointer to some info.   Then, it looks bad to just give a smart alec yes
> > or whatever other less than useful reply.
> 
> I'm wondering if these short "yes" answers aren't all smart-alec, but some of
> them are possibly an attempt to answer before anyone else.
> 
> I know, I've seen a question I could answer, made sure it hasn't already been
> answered (to avoid unnecessary list traffic) then crafted a carefully worded,
> helpful answer, only to find 5 others appear at the same time as mine.  Kind
> of makes one feel like he's wasting his time.  But it's not an excuse to send
> terse, essentally useless answers.

Yes, that has happened to me sometimes and unfortunately (fortunately for the
questioner) some of the other responses were significantly better than mine.  
Oh well.

Anyway, I guess, I don't mind seeing several responses to a question, even 
if they are essentially the same.  First, they tend to each have a little 
bit different tack and give different/additional referrences.  Plus, having 
several people independantly agree adds a bit of confidence.   Something 
missing in the typical newbies world.   That is a little different than
strictly me too replies.

> > But, some of these questions - is FreeBSD really free, etc get frustrating 
> > because it is obvious that the poster didn't even read the first page of 
> > the web site let alone try and look for an answer.  So, a few of the 
> > posted questions deserve a mere yes or no answer.
> 
> I disagree, as Grog's document clearly states: "if you can't think of anything
> nice to say, don't say anything at all" and I consider that list policy.

I agree with that.   I take the time at least to type out the suggestion 
to check the web page, or whatever rather than just say yes or no.  But, 
I can sympathize with the person who does give the smart alec answer.

> I understand your frustration.  As someone who's donated a bit to the doc
> project, and can only _imagine_ how much effort others have put in to the
> high-quality docs that FreeBSD has, I get annoyed when people won't read it
> as well.  But I just suck it up and either post a pointer to the docs, or
> delete it without answering.

A prophet goes without honor in his homeor something like that.
Yup.

I also sympathize with the newbie - more like empathize with the newbie.
A person tends to start from nowhere and doesn't even have a clue about
what is a good question let alone what to do about it.  Seeing all the 
new language and jargon and even worse, initials that AFAIK are commonly 
used in the discussions and even the documentation can make the situation 
even worse.   There are no stupid questions.   (But, there are lazy ones)

jerry

> 
> >  - this from someone who could more often be accused of giving excessively
> > long answers to even simple questions...
> > 
> > jerry
> > 
> > > 
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package managment

[arden]

hi all 

I'm just getting to know my way round BSD now Ive got my box running and
am happy with it i want to make it more useful.

on my Linux boxes i set up ftp sources of applications (most of which i
now keep a local copy.) and then just ask the package management tool to
install it as long as all the deps are in my list it then dose it all
for me.

I'm guessing this is similar in bsd ?

1st question is, is there a list somewhere of available sites 

2nd is how do i point my box at them 

3rd what is the command to tell it to install them 

thanks in advance 

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Re: Partition sizes for small harddisk

[Steve Bertrand]

> Actually, some of the heavy hitters out there say they have been
> leaning toward all / disk partitioning + swap, of course.

A little OT, but although it has been advised over and over that you
should never use a / only system, in some cases I have found it very
useful.

It is exceptionally easy to make complete backups (clones) of file
systems, great for if you ever think you need to expand the size of your
disk and easy to restore from tape to a new hard disk.

Everything in one place, with minimal disklabel editing.

On a heavily used production system, I wouldn't do this, but on firewalls
and the like it's great. Especially when using flash memory cards as disk
drives and need to 'flash' the card with the new file system image.

Steve

>
> jerry
>
>>
>> --
>> Alex
>>
>> Articles based on solutions that I use:
>> http://www.kruijff.org/alex/FreeBSD/
>>
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Re: Partition sizes for small harddisk

[eyesonly]

On 20-06-2004 at 18:14 Robert Huff wrote:

>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>  I'm trying to install FreeBSD 4.10 on an older computer with a 852
>>  MB hard disk.


>   First, a question: what do you want this machine to do?

Hi, thanks!
Fortunately, no special requirements at this stage.
I simply want to use it, so it needs an OS - and FreeBSD certainly beats DOS :-)


>   852 MB should be enough.  Go with a "Custom" installation, and
>you'll need to be utterly ruthless about not installing unneeded
>distribution sets.

"Custom" installation scares me a little, as I don't really know what I'm doing yet.
I will try and read docs and probably start over lots of times (which is fine with me).
When I really get stuck can always ask again :-)

regards
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USB problems after upgrading from 4.9 to 4.10

[Joey Mingrone]

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Hi all,

After an upgrade from 4.9 to 4.10 the following messages appear during bootup:

uhci0:  port 0x9800-0x981f irq 5 at device 17.2 on 
pci0
usb0:  on uhci0
usb0: USB revision 1.0
uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhub0: port error, restarting port 1
uhub0: port error, giving up port 1
uhub0: port error, restarting port 2
uhub0: port error, giving up port 2
uhci1:  port 0x9400-0x941f irq 5 at device 17.3 on 
pci0
usb1:  on uhci1
usb1: USB revision 1.0
uhub1: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhub1: port error, restarting port 1
uhub1: port error, giving up port 1
uhub1: port error, restarting port 2
uhub1: port error, giving up port 2
uhci2:  port 0x9000-0x901f irq 5 at device 17.4 on 
pci0
usb2:  on uhci2
usb2: USB revision 1.0
uhub2: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhub2: port error, restarting port 1
uhub2: port error, giving up port 1
uhub2: port error, restarting port 2
uhub2: port error, giving up port 2
orm0:  at iomem 0xcc000-0xc on isa0

Specifically I,

- - rm -rf /usr/obj/ (I actually forgot to do this the first time, but redid 
everything with this included)
- - make buildworld
- - make buildkernel KERNCONF=""
- - make installkernel KERNCONF=""
- - reboot to single user mode
- - mergemaster -p
- - make installworld
- - mergemaster (asked me to do a makedev, which I did).

I also took a look in the BIOS and the only relevant option I found was "USB 
Legacy Support".  It was set to "Auto".  I changed it to "Disable", but same 
result.

I've included the kernel configuration file below.

Thanks,

Joey

machine  i386
cpu  I686_CPU
identACADIA_MINGRONE_ORG-2004-06-20
maxusers0

options INET#InterNETworking
options INET6   #IPv6 communications protocols
options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem
options FFS_ROOT#FFS usable as root device [keep this!]
options SOFTUPDATES #Enable FFS soft updates support
options UFS_DIRHASH #Improve performance on big directories
options MFS #Memory Filesystem
options MD_ROOT #MD is a potential root device
options PROCFS  #Process filesystem
options COMPAT_43   #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!]
options UCONSOLE#Allow users to grab the console
options USERCONFIG  #boot -c editor
options VISUAL_USERCONFIG   #visual boot -c editor
options KTRACE  #ktrace(1) support

options SYSVSHM
options SYSVSEM
options SYSVMSG
options SHMMAXPGS=65536
options SEMMNI=40
options SEMMNS=240
options SEMUME=40
options SEMMNU=120

options P1003_1B#Posix P1003_1B 
real-time extensions
options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING
options ICMP_BANDLIM#Rate limit bad replies
options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV# install a CDEV entry in /dev
#options AHC_REG_PRETTY_PRINT   # Print register bitfields in debug output.  
Adds ~128k to driver.
#options AHD_REG_PRETTY_PRINT   # Print register bitfields in debug output.  
Adds ~215k to driver.

options USER_LDT# used by JAVA
options CPU_ENABLE_SSE  # used by DVD
options CPU_FASTER_5X86_FPU # for mplayer
options CPU_ATHLON_SSE_HACK # for mplayer

device isa
#device eisa
device pci
device agp # support several AGP chipsets

# Floppy drives
device fdc0 at isa? port IO_FD1 irq 6 drq 2
device fd0 at fdc0 drive 0
device fd1 at fdc0 drive 1

# ATA and ATAPI devices
#device ata0 at isa? port IO_WD1 irq 14
#device ata1 at isa? port IO_WD2 irq 15
device ata
device atadisk  # ATA disk drives
device atapicd  # ATAPI CDROM drives
#device atapifd # ATAPI floppy drives
#device atapist # ATAPI tape drives
options ATA_STATIC_ID   #Static device numbering

device atapicam # emulate ATAPI devices as SCSI ditto via CAM
device scbus#base SCSI code
device cd   #SCSI CD-ROMs
device pass #CAM passthrough driver

# atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse
device atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD
device atkbd0 at atkbdc? irq 1 flags 0x1
device psm0 at atkbdc? irq 12

device vga0 at isa?

# splash screen/screen saver
pseudo-device splash

# syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console
device sc0 at 

Installing FreeBSD on Sparc Ultra II clone

[Hank Allen]

I would like to get some info on installing FreeBSD by booting with floppies and using 
ftp to download on a Tatung machine. I'm not sure where to get the disk images. Any 
help would be greatly appreciated.

Hank Allen
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Re: Question about KVM switch

[Pavel Duda]

Hillman Dai wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I have just installed the FreeBSD 5.2.1 and I'm using
> a KVM switch to share the monitor, mouse and keyboard.
> I could managed to use keyboard while the mouse still
> doesn't work. Could you help me to solve the problem?
> What kind of command I could use to check and which
> file you want me to send back to you?
> 
> The brand of the KVM switch is:
> Name: IOGear
> Model: GCS52U
> 
> Thank You for your support!
> 
> Regards,
> Hillman
> 

Some machines are not able to handle "mouse switching" while runing.
When I was connecting 8-port KVM switches to some of our (old) servers
(with FBSD and AIX) I had to reboot them to get mouse to work.

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Re: Partition sizes for small harddisk

[Remko Lodder]

Hi Mark,

852 MB should be enough.  Go with a "Custom" installation, and
you'll need to be utterly ruthless about not installing unneeded
distribution sets.

"Custom" installation scares me a little, as I don't really know what I'm doing yet.
I will try and read docs and probably start over lots of times (which is fine with me).
When I really get stuck can always ask again :-)
regards
Mark
I installed a custom NetBSD version on a 420megabyte harddisk, and 
installed numberous FreeBSD installations (from 4.3 if i recall 
correctly) on a 1.2gb harddisk. With those two numbers i can figure you 
can install a minimum install of FreeBSD on your disk, and add some nice 
little features (the 420mb disk was running a firewall,dnsserver and a 
passthrough mailserver (With some low end checks that i didn't want to 
have on the actual mailserver  behind it). This box also was a Sniffer 
in my network for extented period of time, logging everything to a SQL 
box behind it (on the management network ofcourse) , it had a lot of 
traffic passing through but it managed to work.

So, the install size will be ok i think, your only issue might indeed be 
running into steps that might confuse you, reading the docs and asking 
us are good options.

Goodluck :)
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LiveCD

[Ray Seals]

Anyone had any experience with LiveCD?  I'm trying to run it and I get
an error about an expected "then" at line 298.
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Re: USB problems after upgrading from 4.9 to 4.10

[Matthew Seaman]

On Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 12:31:02PM -0300, Joey Mingrone wrote:

> After an upgrade from 4.9 to 4.10 the following messages appear during bootup:
> 
> uhci0:  port 0x9800-0x981f irq 5 at device 17.2 on 
> pci0
> usb0:  on uhci0
> usb0: USB revision 1.0
> uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
> uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
> uhub0: port error, restarting port 1
> uhub0: port error, giving up port 1
> uhub0: port error, restarting port 2
> uhub0: port error, giving up port 2
> uhci1:  port 0x9400-0x941f irq 5 at device 17.3 on 
> pci0
> usb1:  on uhci1
> usb1: USB revision 1.0
> uhub1: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
> uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
> uhub1: port error, restarting port 1
> uhub1: port error, giving up port 1
> uhub1: port error, restarting port 2
> uhub1: port error, giving up port 2
> uhci2:  port 0x9000-0x901f irq 5 at device 17.4 on 
> pci0
> usb2:  on uhci2
> usb2: USB revision 1.0
> uhub2: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
> uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
> uhub2: port error, restarting port 1
> uhub2: port error, giving up port 1
> uhub2: port error, restarting port 2
> uhub2: port error, giving up port 2
> orm0:  at iomem 0xcc000-0xc on isa0
> 

I believe this is actually a bug in 4.10-RELEASE.  It was fixed in
4.10-STABLE a week or so ago.  As far as I know. it's actually
harmless -- the USB hubs work OK despite the alarming output.

See:


http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/dev/usb/uhub.c?rev=1.21.2.9&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup&sortby=date&only_with_tag=RELENG_4

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: Regarding FreeBSD proc entries

[Dan Nelson]

In the last episode (Jun 21), ravi said:
> Is it possible to create a new proc entry under /proc ? If yes, then
> how to do that ? Please tell me the relevant documents for this .

For things not directly related to processes, take a look at sysctls
instead.  Grep for SYSCTL_ in the kernel source for examples.

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Re: Installing FreeBSD on Sparc Ultra II clone

[Matthew Seaman]

On Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 10:41:26AM -0500, Hank Allen wrote:
> I would like to get some info on installing FreeBSD by booting with floppies and 
> using ftp to download on a Tatung machine. I'm not sure where to get the disk 
> images. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Either here:

ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/5.2.1-RELEASE/floppies/

or here:

ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.10-RELEASE/floppies/

depending on which release you want to install.  Instructions are here:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-pre.html

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: CURRENT does not build (annotate.texi) CONFIRMED

[Axel S . Gruner]

Hi,
Am 21.06.2004 um 15:51 schrieb Jorn Argelo:
Umm, guys, I don't want to be rude, but why don't mail it to the 
CURRENT folks? I mean, that's what the mailing list is for :)
Hehe, ok, you are right, my fault.
asg
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Re: LiveCD

[Remko Lodder]

Ray Seals wrote:
Anyone had any experience with LiveCD?  I'm trying to run it and I get
an error about an expected "then" at line 298.
When i was at the supermarket there was a line 298, there was indeed an 
error, well a pretty error, a nice young lady who was in the way, not 
that i hated that but...

No really, where does that error occur? when starting up? after what 
messages does it occur? What version are you running, when did you take 
it of the site etc?

Cheers!
p.s the girl was really nice , and actually did exist, only on another 
line ;)
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Re: Installing FreeBSD on Sparc Ultra II clone

[Garance A Drosihn]

At 5:02 PM +0100 6/21/04, Matthew Seaman wrote:
On Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 10:41:26AM -0500, Hank Allen wrote:
 > I would like to get some info on installing FreeBSD by booting
 > with floppies and using ftp to download on a Tatung machine.
 > I'm not sure where to get the disk images. Any help would be
 > greatly appreciated.
Either here:
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/5.2.1-RELEASE/floppies/
or here:
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.10-RELEASE/floppies/
It would be an interesting "Sparc Ultra II" clone which could
boot up off of i386 floppies...
I do not know of FreeBSD/SPARC64 would run on that clone.  You
might want to check:
  http://www.FreeBSD.org/platforms/sparc.html
or
  http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/5.2.1R/hardware-sparc64.html
or
  http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/5.2.1R/installation-sparc64.html
for more details.
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perl-tk no longer working

[Heinrich Rebehn]

Hi list,
I rolled my own perl-tk script for adding/removing users on our cluster 
and it has been running fine for some years now.
But when i wanted to use it today, it died with:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] [~] # usrmgr/usrmgr.pl
[the usual messages about unused variables]
X Error of failed request:  BadAtom (invalid Atom parameter)
  Major opcode of failed request:  18 (X_ChangeProperty)
  Atom id in failed request:  0x1a6
  Serial number of failed request:  12
  Current serial number in output stream:  15
I have no clue what this could be. Other X11 apps run fine. I am logged 
in via ssh -X.
Versions:
FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE-p8
p5-Tk-804.027
perl-5.6.1_15   Practical Extraction and Report Language
perl-5.8.4  Practical Extraction and Report Language

2 versions of perl? Is this ok?
Does anyone have an idea?
Regards,
Heinrich
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Command 'w' gives no user output

[Martin Sommerhein]

$ w
 6:29pm  up  9:41, 0 users, load averages: 0,01 0,02 0,00
USER TTY  FROM  LOGIN@  IDLE WHAT

This is on a recently upgraded 4.10-STABLE machine.  Just after the
upgrade the command worked fine, but today it suddenly started to give
no user output.  Anyone have any clue of what the cause may be and how
to fix it?

Or do I have a cracker on my system?

The other recently upgraded 4.10-STABLE machines work fine (same make
world).

Thanks,
Martin
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Re: package managment

[Bill Moran]

arden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> hi all 
> 
> I'm just getting to know my way round BSD now Ive got my box running and
> am happy with it i want to make it more useful.
> 
> on my Linux boxes i set up ftp sources of applications (most of which i
> now keep a local copy.) and then just ask the package management tool to
> install it as long as all the deps are in my list it then dose it all
> for me.
> 
> I'm guessing this is similar in bsd ?

Similar, but not quite the same.  You have ports an packages.  Ports are config
files that tell FreeBSD what needs done to install a particular software (such
as where to download it, what dependencies are required, and what commands
to run to compile and install it.)  Packages are build from ports (by doing
"make package" instead of "make install")

Thus the paradigm is a little different in FreeBSD than in most Linux distros.

A good place to pick up a lot about this:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html

> 1st question is, is there a list somewhere of available sites 

Each individual port has a list of download sites in its Makefile.  This
relieves the FreeBSD servers of the burdon of having to have _everything_
available.

I don't know, offhand, where the list of package download sites for the
various pkg_* command is, but it's somewhere ;)

> 2nd is how do i point my box at them 

They're already configured.

> 3rd what is the command to tell it to install them 

You want to install the portupgrade port.
cd /usr/ports/sysutils/portupgrade && make install clean

Then, read the man page for portupgrade.  I recommend skipping down past all
the boring details and reading the examples _first_, then come back earlier
in the man page to read what all the specific options do.

Note that portupgrade gives you two specific options for upgrading: using a
package to upgrade, or upgrading from the ports collection.  It depends on
what options you give it.  Software installed from ports is normally newer,
while installing from packages goes faster because you don't have to wait
for the software to compile.

HTH.

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Spamassassin

[Chris Sechiatano]

Hi,

I just converted my RedHat box to BSD 5.2.1 and installed Spamassassin with
Sendmail and Procmail.  This is the same configuration I had on the RedHat
machine, but Spamassassin seems to not catch as much spam as it did before.
I get so much more junk in my inbox and they only get one or two hits with
Spamassassin.  

Anybody have any ideas on what may be happening?

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Re: perl-tk no longer working

[Bill Campbell]

On Mon, Jun 21, 2004, Heinrich Rebehn wrote:
>Hi list,
>
>I rolled my own perl-tk script for adding/removing users on our cluster 
>and it has been running fine for some years now.
>But when i wanted to use it today, it died with:

My SWAG is that you've updated perl recently, but not updated the perl::Tk
modules.  Running two versions of perl on the same machine is possible (we
do it under the OpenPKG.org packagement system all the time), but can
easily lead to problems like this.

>[EMAIL PROTECTED] [~] # usrmgr/usrmgr.pl
>[the usual messages about unused variables]
>X Error of failed request:  BadAtom (invalid Atom parameter)
>  Major opcode of failed request:  18 (X_ChangeProperty)
>  Atom id in failed request:  0x1a6
>  Serial number of failed request:  12
>  Current serial number in output stream:  15
>
>I have no clue what this could be. Other X11 apps run fine. I am logged 
>in via ssh -X.
>Versions:
>FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE-p8
>p5-Tk-804.027
>perl-5.6.1_15   Practical Extraction and Report Language
>perl-5.8.4  Practical Extraction and Report Language
>
>2 versions of perl? Is this ok?
>
>Does anyone have an idea?
>
>Regards,
>   Heinrich
>-- 
>
>Heinrich Rebehn
>
>University of Bremen
>Physics / Electrical and Electronics Engineering
>- Department of Telecommunications -
>
>Phone : +49/421/218-4664
>Fax   :-3341
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Re: LiveCD

[Ray Seals]

On Mon, 2004-06-21 at 11:14, Remko Lodder wrote:

> When i was at the supermarket there was a line 298, there was indeed an 
> error, well a pretty error, a nice young lady who was in the way, not 
> that i hated that but...

Those pretty errors are always the most forgivable ones

> 
> No really, where does that error occur? when starting up? after what 
> messages does it occur? What version are you running, when did you take 
> it of the site etc?

cd /usr/local/livecd/ 
./livecd.sh 
./livecd.sh: 298: Syntax Error: "then" unexpected

I've tried the livecd out of ports and off the project site with the
same results.



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What's the best possible email failover solution

[Bill Moran]

Hey,

I know questions like this get asked a lot, but I'm going to be really specific.

I know how to set up failover with a backup MX.  That's not what I'm looking
for.  We have a cyrus-imap server with lots of users connecting via IMAP,
while everything gets backed up, this only happens once a night.  Thus, if the
server were to go up in smoke right before the backup occurred, we'd lose
something like 23 hours worth of emails.

Does anyone have a solution to provide real-time mirroring of IMAP folders?
I don't mind manual intervention to get the thing running again, I just want
to ensure that if an email is received, it's on both machines and can't get
lost.  Is there a way to get real-time replication of cyrus (I'm no cyrus
guru, another fellow set this up)

I'm not tied to Cyrus either, if there's another solution, I'd be happy to
implement it.

I have an idea ... by using Dovecot with PostgreSQL storing the actual mail
folders, with Slony installed to provide real-time replication of the Postgres
database ... I don't know if Dovecot is able to store the actual mail folders
in Postgres yet, though ... Anyone?

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Re: Spamassassin

[Remko Lodder]

Chris Sechiatano wrote:
Hi,
I just converted my RedHat box to BSD 5.2.1 and installed Spamassassin with
Sendmail and Procmail.  This is the same configuration I had on the RedHat
machine, but Spamassassin seems to not catch as much spam as it did before.
I get so much more junk in my inbox and they only get one or two hits with
Spamassassin.  

Anybody have any ideas on what may be happening?
Hi,
Spammers get more smart... My SA is well trained and still i recieve a 
couple of spam messages a day (50/50 almost)
But you can train SA by using sa-learn.. and use the bayesian filtering...

Did you use that on RedHat as well?
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questions on UFS2 usage and snapshots

[Joe Schmoe]

Hi - a few questions about UFS2:
 
1. Is it dangerous to mount all 20 possible filesystem snapshots and _leave them 
mounted_ to use at any time ?  What about automatically mounting all 20 snapshots at 
boot time ?
 
2. Related to the first question, it seems like I am getting space out of nowhere ... 
that is, if I fill up a drive, then make a snapshot, then erase the drive and fill it 
again, then make another snapshot ... and do this 20 times, AND THEN mount all 20 
snapshots, it seems like I now have 20x as much disk space as before (granted, most of 
it is read-only) ... it seems like I am getting something for nothing.  What am I 
missing here ?  What tradeoffs do I begin to make as I mount up more and more 
snapshots and get more and more browsable space ?
 
3. When I mount a snapshot, as described in the man page, but then later mount -uw the 
snapshot ( to make that a writeable mount) and, say, touch a file or create a file in 
the mounted snapshot ... what exactly am I doing ?  Have I corrupted the snapshot ?  
Is it still usable as a snapshot ?  Where does this space end up being used at if I 
write a file in a write-enabled mounted snapshot ?
 
4. This is not related to snapshots, but is a UFS2 question ... I see that if I am 
doing filesystem activity, and before I can sync the disks, my machine crashes ... the 
machine sort of goes back in time when it reboots - the files or directories I had 
created no longer exist when it reboots.   This is expected, I suppose, and makes 
sense.  However, it seems like I have also seen the following behavior:
 
write file A
write file B
crash
file A exists, but B does not
write file B
crash
BOTH file A and B _no longer exist_
 
Is this possible ?  Have I really seen that behavior, or am I remembering it wrong ?  
I swear that I have seen something like this happen ... if this is possible, can 
someone explain how ?  It seems like it shouldn't be possible...
 
Thanks!


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Re: LiveCD

[Remko Lodder]

Ray Seals wrote:
On Mon, 2004-06-21 at 11:14, Remko Lodder wrote:

When i was at the supermarket there was a line 298, there was indeed an 
error, well a pretty error, a nice young lady who was in the way, not 
that i hated that but...

Those pretty errors are always the most forgivable ones

No really, where does that error occur? when starting up? after what 
messages does it occur? What version are you running, when did you take 
it of the site etc?

cd /usr/local/livecd/ 
./livecd.sh 
./livecd.sh: 298: Syntax Error: "then" unexpected
I've tried the livecd out of ports and off the project site with the
same results.

Hey Ray,
Welkom Ebrandi (Maintainer of LiveCD)
Indeed, nice girls are fine ;)
I installed the scripts, and it seems that you need to change elsif then 
to else, since elsif want to follow a if like statement which is not 
included, nor an else below that phrase is used

When i changed the 2 lines that have those 2 lines, it seems to work..
I included the maintainer that with a fresh install i get the line 305 
and 581 marked as bogus, having elsif then statements, with no if 
option, changing them to else make it do it ' s magic.

Cheers
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Re: Spamassassin

[Rafi Jacoby]

> Hi,
>
> I just converted my RedHat box to BSD 5.2.1 and installed Spamassassin
> with
> Sendmail and Procmail.  This is the same configuration I had on the RedHat
> machine, but Spamassassin seems to not catch as much spam as it did
> before.
> I get so much more junk in my inbox and they only get one or two hits with
> Spamassassin.
>
> Anybody have any ideas on what may be happening?

If you were using the Bayes functionality, it won't kick in till you feed
it 250 or 300 spams (don't remember #).

That definitely made a big difference for me.
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Re: LiveCD

[Jerry McAllister]

> 
> On Mon, 2004-06-21 at 11:14, Remko Lodder wrote:
> 
> > When i was at the supermarket there was a line 298, there was indeed an 
> > error, well a pretty error, a nice young lady who was in the way, not 
> > that i hated that but...
> 
> Those pretty errors are always the most forgivable ones
> 
> > 
> > No really, where does that error occur? when starting up? after what 
> > messages does it occur? What version are you running, when did you take 
> > it of the site etc?
> 
> cd /usr/local/livecd/ 
> ./livecd.sh 
> ./livecd.sh: 298: Syntax Error: "then" unexpected
> 
> I've tried the livecd out of ports and off the project site with the
> same results.

Well, I would think the first thing to do would be to go and look
at line 298 in the /usr/local/livecd/livecd.sh script and see what
it looks like.   Maybe something got mangled when it was
downloaded on configured.vi will do it nicely.

If there is some script flow control - sounds like there is, you might 
have to work out how it got to that line in the script and why it
thinks it needs a then statement.

jerry

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missing ports; portsdb problem

[Jim Arnold]

I'm missing a few ports collections such as Japanese
and Russian. Now when I try to run portsdb -Uu after
CVSUPing the ports collection I get an error of a
missing japanese port. The strange thing is that my
cvsupfile is set to fetch "ports-all." Why is it not
pulling in the missing ports? I don't have a refuse
file set.



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Re: Overly brief answers (was Re: Terminal Server)

[Kevin Stevens]

> On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:27:44 -0400
> Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Nico Meijer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Mike,
> > >
> > > > Can FreeBSD act like Windows Terminal Server, i.e. remote access,
> > > > multiple sessions?
> > >
> > > Yes.
> >
> > I wanted to start a brief discussion about these kinds of answers to
> > questions.
> >
> > I've been seeing this quite a bit lately.  I don't know if it's just one
> > person, of if multiple folks have picked up on it.
> >
> > 
> > This is not an answer to the question.  It does not answer the question
> > and does not contribute to the OPs knowledge of FreeBSD, nor does it
> > contribute to the list archives.  It's also a violation of the rule
> > against "me too" answers as laid out in "How to Get the Best Results from
> > FreeBSD-Questions".  It doesn't even serve to educate the OP on how to
> > ask better questins.

With it understood that opinions vary, I disagree with yours in this case.
The question was posed as a "yes or no" question, with no followup.
Therefore, "yes" or "no" *precisely* answers it.

For all we know, the OP was merely asking to get a quick determination of
what the solution set was.  I ask such questions of colleagues often, and
am not interested in the particulars at that point.

> > First off, there are actually two questions hidden in the post: "Can
> > FreeBSD act as a WTS?", and "can FreeBSD provide the same services as
> > WTS?"  Is "yes" your answer to both of them?  Because, if it is, I'd like
> > to know which software allows it to function as a WTS, since my searches
> > have not found any such software.

The OP didn't say "as", s/he said "like", and then went on to list the
criteria for "like".

> > This leads to the implied question of "what software provides the
> > capability" which (despite not being voice, directly) is pretty obvious.
> > You've totally ignored that question.  You could say that "technically,
> > he didn't ask" but it boils down to just being rude.
> > 

I don't generally answer implicit questions, and I don't believe that
behavior is rude.  Quite the contrary - I believe it is *respectful* to
grant the assumption that people mean what they say/ask.  To do otherwise
scans to me as "I don't think you know what you're saying, so I'm going to
assume I know better than you and treat you like an idiot.".

My favorite example is trying to extract a simple answer on how to enable
telnetd on a given system, which is guaranteed to produce a firestorm of
"don't use telnet" responses which have nothing to do with the question,
overtly assume the OP is an idiot, and show little or no understanding
about security postures in general or the OPs situation in specific.  But
I digress ;).

In this case, I see nothing wrong with the response.  If the OP
deliberately chose to frame a yes/no question, then s/he has their
response.  If they then want to frame followup questions, there's nothing
in the response to discourage them from doing so.  If we have to make an
assumption, let's make the assumption that they know how to ask a
question, rather than the dual assumption that they DON'T know how to ask
a question, and that we can guess what their intent actually was.

KeS
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Re: FreeBSD weakness

[hoe-waa]

On 2004-06-21 01:42, Lloyd Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'll repeat this so there is no misunderstanding. The people here have
> been great in their response to help! But there is also no getting
> around the fact that I am much older (54) and less able to absorb new
> ideas as fast

ALoha Lloyd

Age and cunning will beat youth and speed most of the time. (IIRC) ;o)


I am 57 and installed my first linux distro about a year ago. Sice then I have
tried 5 different linux distros and was unsatisfied with each for various reasons.
Mostly because I didn't have total control over what is being installed from the iso
or from the packages. Gentoo does better than most by emulating FBSD.

In January I installed FreeBSD for the first time. Actually, I installed it about a 
dozen
times for the first time. I read the handbook and lurked on forums and subscribed to
the mailing lists (-newbies & -questions). 

I kept acquiring old systems and improving them. I now have FBSD installed on 4 
frankenputers
and my laptop. I still have so much to learn and to do. I have a lot planned and 
will try
to do it myself with the aid of books/howtos and lurking. I also know that when I am
stuck, I can send to -questions and get quality (and quantity) answers.


I agree with you. The people on this list and their responses are fantastic! I for one 
hope you stick with it. Keep your mind active and the ability to absorb will not 
diminish.

Robert

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Re: missing ports; portsdb problem

[Bill Sawyer]

Jim,

I had the same problem.  I think it was a tk port, if I recall correctly.

The only way I could fix it was to rm -drv /usr/ports & rm my refuse file, then cvsup 
again.  After that, portsdb -Uu ran properly (though it took forever).

Bill Sawyer
Information Systems
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Re: Terminal Server

[David Fleck]

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004, Mike Miocevich wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Can FreeBSD act like Windows Terminal Server, i.e. remote access,
> multiple sessions?

Rather than asking a fairly loose and undefined question ('is software X
like software Y?'), perhaps you would be better served if you specified
more precisely what it is you want to be able to do.

At some levels, FreeBSD may be very like WTS - at other levels, it will be
very different.  Whether or not it will be useful to you depends on what
you want to do with it.

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error in jdk14 and lang/php4

[Tim Kellers]

from lang/php4:

/usr/bin/ld: warning: libSM.so.6, needed by /usr/local/lib/libungif.so,
not foun
d (try using -rpath or -rpath-link)
/usr/bin/ld: warning: libICE.so.6, needed by /usr/local/lib/libungif.so,
not fou
nd (try using -rpath or -rpath-link)
/usr/bin/ld: warning: libX11.so.6, needed by /usr/local/lib/libungif.so,
not fou
nd (try using -rpath or -rpath-link)
/usr/local/lib/libungif.so: undefined reference to `XGetWindowAttributes'
/usr/local/lib/libungif.so: undefined reference to `XGetImage'
/usr/local/lib/libungif.so: undefined reference to `XQueryColors'
*** Error code 1

When I check for the missing lib files:

> locate libSM.so.6
/usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6
> ls -la /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  36988 Jun 20 23:26 /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6
>

All of the referenced "not found" files are in /usr/X11R6/lib/

I've deleted and rebuilt XFree86 libraries without success and I've even

portupgrade -Rf XFee86*

The error remains.  Any help or pointers to dicumentation regarding the
error would be appreciated.

> uname -a
FreeBSD www.smsdesign.org 5.2-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.2-CURRENT #0: Sun Jun 20
01:20:1
5 EDT 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ION  i386


Tim Kellers
CPE/NJIT

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RE: Spamassassin

[Rajamani, Rajarajan (Rajarajan)]

I had a quick question regarding this.
If I use sa-learn as root, does it learn just
for the root account or on a system wide basis.

Thanks

RR


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Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 1:38 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Spamassassin


> Hi,
>
> I just converted my RedHat box to BSD 5.2.1 and installed Spamassassin
> with
> Sendmail and Procmail.  This is the same configuration I had on the RedHat
> machine, but Spamassassin seems to not catch as much spam as it did
> before.
> I get so much more junk in my inbox and they only get one or two hits with
> Spamassassin.
>
> Anybody have any ideas on what may be happening?

If you were using the Bayes functionality, it won't kick in till you feed
it 250 or 300 spams (don't remember #).

That definitely made a big difference for me.
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iSCSI support in FreeBSD?

[Forrest Aldrich]

Is there planned iSCSI support in FreeBSD 4 or 5.

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Re: What's the best possible email failover solution

[Andy Harrison]

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:20:06 -0400, Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Hey,
> 
> I know questions like this get asked a lot, but I'm going to be really specific.
> 
> I know how to set up failover with a backup MX.  That's not what I'm looking
> for.  We have a cyrus-imap server with lots of users connecting via IMAP,
> while everything gets backed up, this only happens once a night.  Thus, if the
> server were to go up in smoke right before the backup occurred, we'd lose
> something like 23 hours worth of emails.
> 
> Does anyone have a solution to provide real-time mirroring of IMAP folders?
> I don't mind manual intervention to get the thing running again, I just want
> to ensure that if an email is received, it's on both machines and can't get
> lost.  Is there a way to get real-time replication of cyrus (I'm no cyrus
> guru, another fellow set this up)
> 
> I'm not tied to Cyrus either, if there's another solution, I'd be happy to
> implement it.
> 
> I have an idea ... by using Dovecot with PostgreSQL storing the actual mail
> folders, with Slony installed to provide real-time replication of the Postgres
> database ... I don't know if Dovecot is able to store the actual mail folders
> in Postgres yet, though ... Anyone?


Real time mirroring would be a long way to go for very little
return.  You'd be much better off with some sort of NAS in a raid
config, even if it were home grown, to store the spools.  Then you can
have as many front-ends as you want, just auth with LDAP or something.


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Re: Overly brief answers (was Re: Terminal Server)

[Bill Moran]

Kevin Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:27:44 -0400
> > Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Nico Meijer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Mike,
> > > >
> > > > > Can FreeBSD act like Windows Terminal Server, i.e. remote access,
> > > > > multiple sessions?
> > > >
> > > > Yes.
> > >
> > > I wanted to start a brief discussion about these kinds of answers to
> > > questions.
> > >
> > > I've been seeing this quite a bit lately.  I don't know if it's just one
> > > person, of if multiple folks have picked up on it.
> > >
> > > 
> > > This is not an answer to the question.  It does not answer the question
> > > and does not contribute to the OPs knowledge of FreeBSD, nor does it
> > > contribute to the list archives.  It's also a violation of the rule
> > > against "me too" answers as laid out in "How to Get the Best Results from
> > > FreeBSD-Questions".  It doesn't even serve to educate the OP on how to
> > > ask better questins.
> 
> With it understood that opinions vary, I disagree with yours in this case.
> The question was posed as a "yes or no" question, with no followup.
> Therefore, "yes" or "no" *precisely* answers it.
> 
> For all we know, the OP was merely asking to get a quick determination of
> what the solution set was.  I ask such questions of colleagues often, and
> am not interested in the particulars at that point.
> 
> > > First off, there are actually two questions hidden in the post: "Can
> > > FreeBSD act as a WTS?", and "can FreeBSD provide the same services as
> > > WTS?"  Is "yes" your answer to both of them?  Because, if it is, I'd like
> > > to know which software allows it to function as a WTS, since my searches
> > > have not found any such software.
> 
> The OP didn't say "as", s/he said "like", and then went on to list the
> criteria for "like".
> 
> > > This leads to the implied question of "what software provides the
> > > capability" which (despite not being voice, directly) is pretty obvious.
> > > You've totally ignored that question.  You could say that "technically,
> > > he didn't ask" but it boils down to just being rude.
> > > 
> 
> I don't generally answer implicit questions, and I don't believe that
> behavior is rude.  Quite the contrary - I believe it is *respectful* to
> grant the assumption that people mean what they say/ask.  To do otherwise
> scans to me as "I don't think you know what you're saying, so I'm going to
> assume I know better than you and treat you like an idiot.".
> 
> My favorite example is trying to extract a simple answer on how to enable
> telnetd on a given system, which is guaranteed to produce a firestorm of
> "don't use telnet" responses which have nothing to do with the question,
> overtly assume the OP is an idiot, and show little or no understanding
> about security postures in general or the OPs situation in specific.  But
> I digress ;).
> 
> In this case, I see nothing wrong with the response.  If the OP
> deliberately chose to frame a yes/no question, then s/he has their
> response.  If they then want to frame followup questions, there's nothing
> in the response to discourage them from doing so.  If we have to make an
> assumption, let's make the assumption that they know how to ask a
> question, rather than the dual assumption that they DON'T know how to ask
> a question, and that we can guess what their intent actually was.

Very valid points.  If I were going to look for someone to discuss the opposite
side of the coin on this, I would go to you first, as you've managed to
completely disagree with me in an intelligent fashion!  Bravo.

I don't have many arguments to place in response to your disagreement, so I'll
keep my counter-opinions short:
1) I prefer to err on the side of too much information than to err on the side
   of not enough.  This addresses a lot of your points, but is only a matter
   of personal preference and therefore not anything to do with official list
   policy or anything.  But it explains a lot of our difference of opinion.
2) This "yes" email is only one of several I've seen over the last few weeks.
   I'm not going to take the time to search them out, but I was starting to
   wonder if an "air of smart-assedness" was infecting the list, I supposed it's
   possible that I've been infected with something, though.
3) I posted the original "brief answer" email to promote discussion, and voice
   my own opinion.  I find it refreshing to know that people who are posting
   short answers don't do it mindlessly.  Even if I don't agree with it, at
   least it has a thought-out reason.

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problem installing 4.10, boot hangs after PLIP0

[White, Sean]

Help! (please...)

I am having a problem getting FreeBSD 4.10 installed on my machine.
Strangely, I have two almost identical boxes, and the problem exhibits
itself on one but not the other. Any help as to why this is happening
would be greatly appreciated. I have googled, searched list archives and
poured over the handbook multiple times, and the only error report I can
find that comes close (link below) does not seem to have been
resolved...
 
Synopsis:
 
ASUS P2B motherboard, PII-350, 256 Meg RAM, 8 Gig UDMA33 IDE drive and
ATAPI IDE CDROM, and 3COM 3c905 NIC. Booting from the 4.10 CDROM, I am
able to get into the kernel config and play with what drivers get
installed, but nothing I do there seems to help alleviate what happens
next. After exiting that, it starts to boot, but stops at the "PLIP0"
line and hangs indefinately. This list poster, although apparently using
different hardware and installing a different version of FreeBSD, seems
to be having the exact same issue, although the mailing list does not
seem to have provided him with an answer. Link:
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/htdig/freebsd-config/2003-June/07.h
tml
 
 
Detail:
 
Failing at the PLIP line led me to believe that perhaps (for what reason
I cant imagine) there might be a problem with the parallel port or
parallel driver, so disabling that driver in the kernel config, it then
starts to boot but stops and hangs after probing/config-ing the serial
ports (just like the poster above). In answer to the question at the end
of his post, according to the handbook's example boot, the next thing in
the boot sequence would seem to be probing for hard drives. So then I am
thinking that there is something wrong with the drive or controller or
the kernel probing for same. However, I am 99% sure that this drive and
controller are working fine, as this hard drive currently boots just
fine into Redhat 9 (which I am trying to replace). I can also
successfully boot this machine via CDROM into any of a host of other
"liveCD" distros such as Knoppix, SentryCD, Phlak, Smoothwall, etc. with
no problems whatsoever (I realize that these are all linux kernel
distros, so not a totally fair comparison...). So but the upshot is that
this box does not seem to have any hardware issues that prevent it from
booting to anything (via CDROM or hard drive) besides FreeBSD.
 
What is extra strange is that I also have a nearly identical box (only
difference is 128 Meg RAM instead of 256, and 3 x 3COM 3c905 NICs
instead of just one, otherwise, completely identical hardware), which
seems to work perfectly. It boots from the FreeBSD CDROM (same disc), I
dont even have to change or disable a single thing in the kernel config,
and it successfully boots, proceeds into sysinstall, and allows me to go
through the complete install process with no problems at all. I cant
imagine what is different between these two boxes and they have never
exhibited any hardware problems before.
 
So can anyone tell me what might be going on here, or what I might try
next to troubleshoot it? Any help or pointers would be appreciated. If
other logs or hardware info is required just ask, I will be glad to
provide. This hardware is all relatively old (I mean old as in
well-supported, not old as in crusty), so I wouldnt think there should
be issues with unsupported, bleeding-edge craziness. And the fact that
two nearly identical hardware configs are sporting different behavior
would seem to indicate an actual hardware failure on the part of the one
that doesnt work, but as I said, this box doesnt seem to have any
problems booting other OS's, so I am confused.
 
I will disclaim in advance that, as with almost all computer problems,
the issue is probably me doing something stupid or forgetting something.
 
Please reply via the list and/or my email address below.
 
Thanks!
Sean White
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WRITE_DMA UDMA ICRC errors with my ata drive(s)/controller

[Kendall Gifford]

Greetings. I recently upgraded my server from 4.9-RELEASE to
5.2.1-RELEASE and immediately started to get the following error
logged whenever there is significant disk activity:
ad0: WARNING - WRITE_DMA UDMA ICRC error (retrying request) LBA=137690696
ad0: FAILURE - WRITE_DMA status=51 
error=84 LBA=137690696

[there are slight, insignificant variations, of course]
Anyhow, the first thing I did was to install and run smartctl (part of
the smartmontools package) since both my drives are S.M.A.R.T. enabled.
Aside from having the same write dma errors in their internal logs, the
drives appear to be fine (all values are well above their threshold).
Also, all disk activity that sparked said errors always succeeded as all
copied files were uncorrupted.
So, I did a little searching online and found that besides the misc.
person having this problem and being told to check their drives or
cables or ide controllers, I came across the following two threads:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=20040409042611.GA68595_binary.net%40ns.sol.net&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dfreebsd%2Bwrite_dma%2Budma%2Bicrc%2Berror%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26selm%3D20040409042611.GA68595_binary.net%2540ns.sol.net%26rnum%3D1
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=20040414024308.GA6468%40binary.net&rnum=4&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dfreebsd%2Bwrite_dma%2Budma%2Bicrc%2Berror%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26selm%3D20040414024308.GA6468%2540binary.net%26rnum%3D4
The first thing I noted was that I am also using a board with the VIA
8235: [dmesg]
atapci0:  port 0xdc00-0xdc0f at device 17.1 
on pci0

And I also have fairly large drives, two Maxtor 120GB drives: [dmesg]
ad0: 117246MB  [238216/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA133
acd0: CDRW  at ata0-slave BIOSPIO
ad2: 117246MB  [238216/16/63] at ata1-master UDMA133
Also of note is that these two drives worked just fine in UDMA133 mode
in my 4.9-RELEASE system. Due to this and the newness of the two drives,
the motherboard, and the ATA133 round cables as well as having
everything check out in my S.M.A.R.T. test, and the fact that despite
these errors, the disk I/O transactions always seem to succeed (as far 
as I've been able to test) and the system otherwise functions normally
even with both drives in UDMA133 mode, I wonder if there is possibly
either some hardware bug with the VIA 8235 or some incompatibility
between the ata driver in 5.2.1-RELEASE and the VIA 8235 or if someone,
after reading my message and the two threads I linked to, has yet
another idea?

P.S. - Just as was described in the threads above, if I also put my
problem drive in PIO mode, I get no more UDMA ICRC errors.
P.P.S. - While, for reasons I've describe above, I suspect my hardware
is not at fault, I know that I certainly can't guarantee that this is
the case since I don't have the resources (a.k.a. extra hardware and
time) to swap parts around to verify, for sure, it isn't at fault.
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Re: missing ports; portsdb problem

[Kendall Gifford]

Bill Sawyer wrote:
Jim,
I had the same problem.  I think it was a tk port, if I recall correctly.
The only way I could fix it was to rm -drv /usr/ports & rm my refuse file, then cvsup 
again.  After that, portsdb -Uu ran properly (though it took forever).

I had the same problem recently since I was blocking all non-english
ports in my refuse file. Just as was mentioned above, I removed it.
But, I didn't bother to remove my recently cvsup'ed ports collection
(sans other lang). I just edited my refuse file to allow alternate
lang ports back in and re-cvsup'ed. Afterward, my portsdb -uU also
succeeded.
So, basically what I'm saying is that I'd try the above recommendation
but without rm-ing /usr/ports. This should save some download time.
Plus, if for some reason it doesn't work, you can always clean out your
ports dir later.
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Upgrading Expat2 in FreeBSD 5.2.1

[Lonnie Santella]

In order to install latest ports of Apache1.3 and MySQL 4.20 - I received a 
system error informing me to upgrade expat2.

So I run my CVSUP get all the latest ports, then run it again with just 
upgrading the BASE.

Now I upgrade to expat2 (expat-1.95.7) which was successful according to 
pkg_info:

However, now I can't start X - when I attempt to, I get a gray screen, a 
working mouse pointer, and a small message window that reads: "could not 
start KDEInit. Check your installation." There is only an "ok" button and 
when I click it, it goes back to text mode, with another error message which 
is repeated several times:

"/libexec/ld.elf.so.1: Shared object "libexpat.so.4" not found"
I've searched through threads and groups - no luck on this one. Why does 
this happen?  I've recreated the issue 4 times on different machines with 
fresh installs of FreeBSD 5.2.1.

How do I upgrade expat2 without this problem?
Thanks very much for your advice,
Lonnie
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Re: Upgrading Expat2 in FreeBSD 5.2.1

[Kent Stewart]

On Monday 21 June 2004 12:16 pm, Lonnie Santella wrote:
> In order to install latest ports of Apache1.3 and MySQL 4.20 - I
> received a system error informing me to upgrade expat2.
>
> So I run my CVSUP get all the latest ports, then run it again with
> just upgrading the BASE.
>
> Now I upgrade to expat2 (expat-1.95.7) which was successful according
> to pkg_info:
>
> However, now I can't start X - when I attempt to, I get a gray
> screen, a working mouse pointer, and a small message window that
> reads: "could not start KDEInit. Check your installation." There is
> only an "ok" button and when I click it, it goes back to text mode,
> with another error message which is repeated several times:
>
> "/libexec/ld.elf.so.1: Shared object "libexpat.so.4" not found"
>
> I've searched through threads and groups - no luck on this one. Why
> does this happen?  I've recreated the issue 4 times on different
> machines with fresh installs of FreeBSD 5.2.1.
>
> How do I upgrade expat2 without this problem?
>

You didn't read /usr/prots/UPDATING. There was an interface change and 
all of the ports that used expat2 had to be rebuilt. Read UPDATING and 
then do the -rf update.

Kent

> Thanks very much for your advice,
>
> Lonnie
>
>
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Re: Installing FreeBSD on Sparc Ultra II clone

[Matthew Seaman]

On Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 12:22:15PM -0400, Garance A Drosihn wrote:
> At 5:02 PM +0100 6/21/04, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> >On Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 10:41:26AM -0500, Hank Allen wrote:
> > > I would like to get some info on installing FreeBSD by booting
> > > with floppies and using ftp to download on a Tatung machine.
> > > I'm not sure where to get the disk images. Any help would be
> > > greatly appreciated.
> >
> >Either here:
> >
> >ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/5.2.1-RELEASE/floppies/
> >
> >or here:
> >
> >ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.10-RELEASE/floppies/
> 
> It would be an interesting "Sparc Ultra II" clone which could
> boot up off of i386 floppies...
> 
> I do not know of FreeBSD/SPARC64 would run on that clone.  You
> might want to check:
> 
>   http://www.FreeBSD.org/platforms/sparc.html
> or
>   http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/5.2.1R/hardware-sparc64.html
> or
>   http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/5.2.1R/installation-sparc64.html
> 
> for more details.

Tatung's latest products include a range of AMD Opteron and Xeon based
rack mount and blade servers, plus their UK site lists some "Tablet
PCs" based on Intel CPUs.  I admit I had never heard of a sparc clone
made by them. Seeing as the sparc based models listed on the
www.tsti.com site look kind of old hat nowadays, I don't thing it's
safe to assume 'Tatung' means 'Sparc Clone' any more...

Still, I'm sure the OP will clarify exactly what sort of machine he
has if he needs any further information.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: Installing FreeBSD on Sparc Ultra II clone

[Garance A Drosihn]

At 8:23 PM +0100 6/21/04, Matthew Seaman wrote:
On Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 12:22:15PM -0400, Garance A Drosihn wrote:
 >
 It would be an interesting "Sparc Ultra II" clone which could
 > boot up off of i386 floppies...
Tatung's latest products include a range of AMD Opteron and
Xeon based rack mount and blade servers, plus their UK site
lists some "Tablet PCs" based on Intel CPUs.
I am sure you are right, but the subject on *this* thread is:
Installing FreeBSD on Sparc Ultra II clone
  ^^
which is why I answered the way I did.
Cheers...   :-)
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missing ports; portsdb problem

[epilogue]

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:14:44 -0600
Kendall Gifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Bill Sawyer wrote:
> 
> > Jim,
> > 
> > I had the same problem.  I think it was a tk port, if I recall
> > correctly.
> > 
> > The only way I could fix it was to rm -drv /usr/ports & rm my refuse
> > file, then cvsup again.  After that, portsdb -Uu ran properly (though
> > it took forever).
> > 
> > 
> 
> I had the same problem recently since I was blocking all non-english
> ports in my refuse file. Just as was mentioned above, I removed it.


Jim,

You mentioned that you didn't have a refuse file.

You might want to double check that /usr/local/etc/cvsup/sup/refuse or
[other_default_base_specified_by_your_ports_supfile]/sup/refuse does
indeed not exist.

find / -name refuse -print#also a handy way, providing your user has
the perms to read the dirs where refuse might be lurking.
 
> But, I didn't bother to remove my recently cvsup'ed ports collection
> (sans other lang). I just edited my refuse file to allow alternate
> lang ports back in and re-cvsup'ed. Afterward, my portsdb -uU also
> succeeded.

Yeah.  Something changed a couple of weeks ago.  This solution worked for
me too.

Good luck,
epi

> So, basically what I'm saying is that I'd try the above recommendation
> but without rm-ing /usr/ports. This should save some download time.
> Plus, if for some reason it doesn't work, you can always clean out your
> ports dir later.
> 
> -- 
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> 
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Re: Overly brief answers (was Re: Terminal Server)

[epilogue]

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:51:40 -0400
Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Kevin Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > > On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:27:44 -0400
> > > Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Nico Meijer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Mike,
> > > > >
> > > > > > Can FreeBSD act like Windows Terminal Server, i.e. remote
> > > > > > access, multiple sessions?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes.
> > > >
> > > > I wanted to start a brief discussion about these kinds of answers
> > > > to questions.
> > > >
> > > > I've been seeing this quite a bit lately.  I don't know if it's
> > > > just one person, of if multiple folks have picked up on it.
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > This is not an answer to the question.  It does not answer the
> > > > question and does not contribute to the OPs knowledge of FreeBSD,
> > > > nor does it contribute to the list archives.  It's also a violation
> > > > of the rule against "me too" answers as laid out in "How to Get the
> > > > Best Results from FreeBSD-Questions".  It doesn't even serve to
> > > > educate the OP on how to ask better questins.
> > 
> > With it understood that opinions vary, I disagree with yours in this
> > case. The question was posed as a "yes or no" question, with no
> > followup. Therefore, "yes" or "no" *precisely* answers it.
> > 
> > For all we know, the OP was merely asking to get a quick determination
> > of what the solution set was.  I ask such questions of colleagues
> > often, and am not interested in the particulars at that point.
> > 
> > > > First off, there are actually two questions hidden in the post:
> > > > "Can FreeBSD act as a WTS?", and "can FreeBSD provide the same
> > > > services as WTS?"  Is "yes" your answer to both of them?  Because,
> > > > if it is, I'd like to know which software allows it to function as
> > > > a WTS, since my searches have not found any such software.
> > 
> > The OP didn't say "as", s/he said "like", and then went on to list the
> > criteria for "like".
> > 
> > > > This leads to the implied question of "what software provides the
> > > > capability" which (despite not being voice, directly) is pretty
> > > > obvious. You've totally ignored that question.  You could say that
> > > > "technically, he didn't ask" but it boils down to just being rude.
> > > > 
> > 
> > I don't generally answer implicit questions, and I don't believe that
> > behavior is rude.  Quite the contrary - I believe it is *respectful* to
> > grant the assumption that people mean what they say/ask.

Good points.  Further, I think that we *all* have reasoned assumptions
which inform our replies and with which we have to reckon.

For my part, I tend to assume that people asking general questions
about (or ostensibly specific questions which upon closer examination
reveal their limited exposure to / understanding of) FreeBSD are new to
the project and would probably benefit from whatever 'additional'
information / resources we are able to provide.

> > To do otherwise scans to me as "I don't think you know what you're
> > saying, so I'm going to assume I know better than you and treat you
> > like an idiot.".

I don't think that I've ever been insulted by someone offering me
additional or superfluous help.  E-mail is a fairly impersonal medium.  I
tend to give the benefit of the doubt, whenever possible.  Now, if I bought
a box of soap at the laudromat and was given the soap *and* a course on how
to put the quarters into the machine...

I suppose that ends my 2 cents on this thread.:)

> > My favorite example is trying to extract a simple answer on how to
> > enable telnetd on a given system, which is guaranteed to produce a
> > firestorm of"don't use telnet" responses which have nothing to do with
> > the question, overtly assume the OP is an idiot, and show little or no
> > understanding about security postures in general or the OPs situation
> > in specific.  But I digress ;).
> > 
> > In this case, I see nothing wrong with the response.  If the OP
> > deliberately chose to frame a yes/no question, then s/he has their
> > response.  If they then want to frame followup questions, there's
> > nothing in the response to discourage them from doing so.  If we have
> > to make an assumption, let's make the assumption that they know how to
> > ask a question, rather than the dual assumption that they DON'T know
> > how to ask a question, and that we can guess what their intent actually
> > was.
> 
> Very valid points.  If I were going to look for someone to discuss the
> opposite side of the coin on this, I would go to you first, as you've
> managed to completely disagree with me in an intelligent fashion!  Bravo.
> 
> I don't have many arguments to place in response to your disagreement, so
> I'll keep my counter-opinions short:
> 1) I prefer to err on the side of too much information than to err on the
> side
>of not enough.  This addresses a lot of your points, but is only a
>matter of personal pref

Repeated polling of CD/DVD-ROM.

[Lewis Thompson]

Hi,

I have written some code that does some rather nasty stuff to determine
whether or not there is media in the drive.  It is basically this:

open('/dev/dvd', 'rb')
read(1)

  at which point if I get an exception (in Python) I know there is no
media (or it is blank).  If it throws no exception I consider the disc
to be good.

  I know how bad this is (I unfortunately don't understand ioctls and
need this to work quickly in the short term -- I plan on learning more
about this stuff and doing it properly later) but my question is this:

Does the device actually get read /every/ time I do this operation?  (it
gets called every two seconds)  It looks to me that after an initial
probe there are no further accesses, which makes me wonder if further
down some caching is done.  Anybody know what is really going on?

  Thanks,

-lewiz.

-- 
I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now.  --Bob Dylan, 1964.

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