date:20040711

The FreeBSD Diary: 2004-06-20 - 2004-07-10

2004-07-11 Thread Dan Langille

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FreeBSD Kernel Recompile, Does not exclude modules

2004-07-11 Thread Steven Adams

Hey,

 

Reading from the FreeBSD Handbook I have compiled a new kernel that works
fine.

 

In my config file I commented out a few things I don't need eg USB etc.

 

But for some reason when it booted back up into the new kernel, from ps aux
it shows usb is up and running..

 

/boot/kernel shows that usb.ko is there.

 

I don't understand why its included which I commented it out

 

Am I doing something wrong?

 

Thanks

Steve

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Re: How Critical Is It To Use an ISP Running FreeBSD or BSD/OS?

2004-07-11 Thread Jorn Argelo

Kevin Stevens wrote:
[snip]
In an ISP of any size, the CS reps will be almost totally divorced 
from the infrastructure team.  What OS' they support for customers has 
very little to do with what they run on the backside.

KeS
True there. They only support Bill's software and a Mac just because it 
are the two most used OS'. (You can't say that from Linux because every 
distribution is different and has different paths and such) For example, 
here in the Netherlands we have several ISPs where the service desk 
employees simply have a list in fromt of them with questions, but know 
nothing about computers at all. You can't expect of them to figure out 
how to get your connection up and running with all those Linux 
distributions, or BSD projects. Would be rather a PITA if one has an 
HP-UX, AIX or ALPHA machine serving as an internet gateway, don't you think?

Anyway, my ISP (Demon, for the Dutch folks on the list) is running 
FreeBSD (at least, their webservers. Not really sure about the rest), 
and they don't give support on FreeBSD either. They only support Windows 
and Mac as well. Which makes sense to me though. They have skilled folks 
on their service desk, but still you can't expect of them to know 
various of *NIX flavors.

So it got a little bit long, but at least you have my two cents.
Cheers,
Jorn
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Re: Newbieish Desktop Questions

2004-07-11 Thread Kristian Holdich

On Sun, 2004-07-11 at 06:22, Danny MacMillan wrote:
> If your concern is that you won't be able to log in to single-user mode,
> consider that you will be prompted for a shell in any case (at least I
> am).  If your concern is that you would like to have bash available in
> single user mode as well, make sure it is statically linked.  If you will
> be installing from ports, the following should work (if I'm reading the
> Makefile correctly):
> 
> cd /usr/ports/shells/bash2
> make -DWANT_STATIC_BASH install clean

That makes sense, will double check it next time I do a reboot. I don't
care about having bash in single user mode, just prefer it in day to day
use.

It's been a while since I've used *BSD but seem to remember some other
Unixes were less forgiving...

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Re: Mouse in X

2004-07-11 Thread Henrik W Lund

Stanley Wright wrote:
Hello Henrik,
 
Thanks.
 
The mouse now works. I needed to choose the "Microsoft" protocol and 
choose /dev/cuaa0 and disable the mouse daemon in the console.
 
Now that I've fixed the mouse the only other problem is the internet. 
My external modem connects fine but when connected I cant load any web 
pages. It says error loading xyz.com (example) and even if i try 
accessing an Ip address i get the same error. Any ideas?
 
If u ever visit the Caribbean remember that I owe u a favour.
 
Stan.
You're very welcome.
What is the output of ifconfig, and what does your ppp.conf look like? 
Been a while since I used dialup ( ;-) ), but the way I remember it that 
whole setup leaves plenty of room for misconfiguration.

-Henrik W Lund
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Re: FreeBSD Kernel Recompile, Does not exclude modules

2004-07-11 Thread Kent Stewart

On Sunday 11 July 2004 12:25 am, Steven Adams wrote:
> Hey,
>
>
>
> Reading from the FreeBSD Handbook I have compiled a new kernel that
> works fine.
>
>
>
> In my config file I commented out a few things I don't need eg USB
> etc.
>
>
>
> But for some reason when it booted back up into the new kernel, from
> ps aux it shows usb is up and running..
>
>
>
> /boot/kernel shows that usb.ko is there.
>
>
>
> I don't understand why its included which I commented it out
>
>
>
> Am I doing something wrong?
>
>

Did you do a "make kernel" to build and install the new kernel?

Kent

>
> Thanks
>
> Steve
>
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Re: FreeBSD Kernel Recompile, Does not exclude modules

2004-07-11 Thread Arjan Van Leeuwen

Hi Steve,

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 17:25:40 +1000, Steven Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> Reading from the FreeBSD Handbook I have compiled a new kernel that works
> fine.
> 
> In my config file I commented out a few things I don't need eg USB etc.
> 
> But for some reason when it booted back up into the new kernel, from ps aux
> it shows usb is up and running..

You mean that the program usbd is running. This is a userland program
that detects new USB devices and starts some predefined sequence of
commands when a certain device enters the system. You can turn it off
by adding usbd_enable="NO" to /etc/rc.conf.

> 
> /boot/kernel shows that usb.ko is there.
> 
> I don't understand why its included which I commented it out

There's a difference between 'compiling something into the kernel' and
using a kernel module. usb.ko is a kernel loadable module - a module
that you can load with kldload if you need it. It's not compiled into
the kernel. When you had 'device usb' in your kernel, usb would be
compiled into the kernel and you'd never need to load the kernel
loadable module for it. Now, you've removed usb from your kernel
configuration file, so usb support is not in your kernel. Should you
need it later, you can always load the module.

If the module is not loaded, it doesn't take up any resources (except
for the hard drive space it uses), so it shouldn't bother you.

If you really don't want to compile any modules at all when building
your kernel (for example, to save time when building a kernel), add
NO_MODULES=true to /etc/make.conf.

Arjan
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Re: Flashplasyer plug-in for Opera

2004-07-11 Thread Arjan Van Leeuwen

Hi Paolo,

You don't need the linuxpluginwrapper if you're using linux-opera,
only if you're using FreeBSD Opera. In that last case, it will only
work on FreeBSD 4.x, that's why you received a message that flash
support was unavailable.

linux-opera should work with linux-flashplugin{6,7} out of the box.

Arjan

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 22:23:38 -0300, Paulo Fonseca Jr.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok!
> 
> Linux-Opera is just fine with flashplayer now on freebsd 5.1.
> 
> make install on /usr/ports/www/linux-opera
> make install on /usr/ports/www/linux-flashplugin
> recompile and install /usr/src/libexec/rtld-elf and
> make /usr/ports/linuxpluginwrapper
> 
> it'll runs ok!
> 
> On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 22:01:56 -0300, Paulo Fonseca Jr.
> 
> 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Arjan,
> >
> > I running now:
> > /usr/ports/www/linux-opera
> > /usr/ports/www/linux-flashplugin
> > /usr/ports/www/linuxpluginwrapper
> >
> > I received the message "Flash6 with Opera is not avilable." on make of
> > linuxpluginwrapper, but in browser, the shockwave flash plugin is
> > active. I set up my browser to identify as Mozilla but web pages that
> > use flash do not work fine. Can you send me some web page address that
> > use flash ? www.globo.com or www.cursoaprovacao.com.br not work
> > correctly.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Paulo.
> >
> > On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 14:27:57 +0200, Arjan Van Leeuwen
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 23:29:17 -0400, epilogue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 21:49:14 -0300
> >>> "Paulo Fonseca Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > I'm trying to enable flash plug-in on freebsd 5.1 like this:
> >>> >
> >>> > 1) cd /usr/ports/www/linux-flashplayer
> >>> > make install clean
> >>> > it's ok
> >>> >
> >>> > 2) Tools -> Preferences -> Plug-ins -> Change path
> >>> > the working path is: opera;
> >>> > /usr/X11R6/share/opera/plugins:/usr/local/lib/flash/
> >>> > it's fine
> >>> >
> >>> > 3) when opera starts with "opera -debugplugin" command the message
> >>> below
> >>> > occurs:
> >>>
> >>> judging by the command above, you're using the 'native' version of
> >>> opera
> >>> (that is to say, opera for freebsd).  is there any reason you would
> >>> expect
> >>> the LINUX-flashplayer to work?   :P
> >>>
> >>> try /usr/ports/www/flashpluginwrapper for the native version OR install
> >>> /usr/ports/www/linux-opera.  either should solve your problem.
> >>
> >> Use www/linuxpluginwrapper instead of www/flashpluginwrapper - it's
> >> newer, better maintained and supports a newer version of the Flash
> >> player.
> >>
> >> That said, it doesn't work with native Opera on FreeBSD 5.x - only on
> >> 4.x. So if you want Flash in Opera on FreeBSD 5.x, use linux-opera.
> >>
> >> Arjan
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RE: FreeBSD Kernel Recompile, Does not exclude modules

2004-07-11 Thread Steven Adams

Hi, 

Ive already disabled usbd_enable=no in /etc/rc.conf

But still I get theses

root   399  0.0  0.0 0   12  ??  DL   Sat04PM   0:00.03  (usb0)
root   400  0.0  0.0 0   12  ??  DL   Sat04PM   0:00.00  (usbtask)

And yes I ran make install, I know it worked because I also compiled in
quota support which is now working and wasn't previously.

I am a 5year slackware linux user just moved over to FreeBSD so im used to
the linux kernel, that's why its confused me a little. FreeBSD is looking
great tho.. :)

But yeh wondering how I get rid of them 2 processes.

Thanks
Steve

-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Recompile, Does not exclude modules

Hi Steve,

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 17:25:40 +1000, Steven Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> Reading from the FreeBSD Handbook I have compiled a new kernel that works
> fine.
> 
> In my config file I commented out a few things I don't need eg USB etc.
> 
> But for some reason when it booted back up into the new kernel, from ps
aux
> it shows usb is up and running..

You mean that the program usbd is running. This is a userland program
that detects new USB devices and starts some predefined sequence of
commands when a certain device enters the system. You can turn it off
by adding usbd_enable="NO" to /etc/rc.conf.

> 
> /boot/kernel shows that usb.ko is there.
> 
> I don't understand why its included which I commented it out

There's a difference between 'compiling something into the kernel' and
using a kernel module. usb.ko is a kernel loadable module - a module
that you can load with kldload if you need it. It's not compiled into
the kernel. When you had 'device usb' in your kernel, usb would be
compiled into the kernel and you'd never need to load the kernel
loadable module for it. Now, you've removed usb from your kernel
configuration file, so usb support is not in your kernel. Should you
need it later, you can always load the module.

If the module is not loaded, it doesn't take up any resources (except
for the hard drive space it uses), so it shouldn't bother you.

If you really don't want to compile any modules at all when building
your kernel (for example, to save time when building a kernel), add
NO_MODULES=true to /etc/make.conf.

Arjan
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Re: tcpdump (/dev/bpf* permission) in FreeBSD-current

2004-07-11 Thread Patrick Dung

My last mail is waiting for the mailing list approval.
But it was already some days, so I sent it again.

--- Patrick Dung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 內容：>
--- Lowell Gilbert
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 內容：>
> Patrick Dung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > 
> > > Only /dev/bpf0 is there at boot time
> > > But when I run tcpdump, it automatically create
> > > /dev/bpf1 (I have multiple NIC).
> > > Running devfs at boot time cannot set the
> > /dev/bpf1,
> > > which is not present.
> > 
> > Running devfs(8) at boot time will set rules that
> > will be
> > automatically applied to bpf1 when it is created. 
> > What do your devfs
> > rules look like?
> >  
> 
> own bpf*root:wheel
> permbpf*0660
> 
>

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Firewall rules for local lan

2004-07-11 Thread Gaspar Kiraly

Hello,

I have a quick question for you:

I am in the process of setting up ipfw for my server and a small LAN of two pcs.
The FreeBSD server is used as an internet gateway with a dial up connection (ppp -auto 
-alias demand).
My network connection is working fine, however I am getting more and more junk mail 
lately.
It looks like some sites are sniffing out my e-mail address, my pc configs, etc.
Hence, I'd like to setup a firewall.
I found many good examples, however they deal with a one pc (FreeBSD) one network card 
setup.
For ex: do I need to add "divert" and "bridge" to the Kernel config file? How do I set 
up different rules for for each nic?
I'd like to be able to access the FreeBSD server from my local LAN w/o any 
restrictions but I do not want the internet sites to do the same with my server and 
LAN. Would you have an example setup for this scenario? The FreeBSD server is also 
setup to provide address resolution for the internet.

I'd appreciate any help.

Gaspar
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Re: Firewall rules for local lan

2004-07-11 Thread cpghost

Gaspar Kiraly wrote:
I am in the process of setting up ipfw for my server and a small LAN of two pcs.
The FreeBSD server is used as an internet gateway with a dial up connection (ppp -auto -alias demand).
My network connection is working fine, however I am getting more and more junk mail lately.
It looks like some sites are sniffing out my e-mail address, my pc configs, etc.
Hence, I'd like to setup a firewall.
I found many good examples, however they deal with a one pc (FreeBSD) one network card setup.
For ex: do I need to add "divert" and "bridge" to the Kernel config file? How do I set up different rules for for each nic?
I'd like to be able to access the FreeBSD server from my local LAN w/o any restrictions but I do not want the internet sites to do the same with my server and LAN. Would you have an example setup for this scenario? The FreeBSD server is also setup to provide address resolution for the internet.

You don't need divert or bridge, because ppp(1) has built-in
packed filtering. Have a look at ppp(1) man page, esp. the
section "packet filtering."
Don't forget to enable ppp NAT and to set up your
box as a gateway in /etc/rc.conf:
hostname="your.hostname.tld"
gateway_enable="YES"
ppp_enable="YES"
ppp_profile="your-isp-profile"
ppp_user="root"
ppp_mode="ddial"
ppp_nat="YES"
named_enable="YES"
named_flags="-u bind -g bind"
Don't forget to add your filter rules in
/etc/ppp/ppp.conf.
I'd appreciate any help.
Gaspar

-cpghost.
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