[Fwd: formatting tools for Docbook]
This is a delayed reposting of something that I might have sent to an initially poorly chosen list; if it still gets no reponse in another day, I might try again, if I can figure out a better FreeBSD list to choose. My predilection for FreeBSD is strong, I would really dislike to be forced to jump to Linux (or, god forbid, to Windows) for this infomation, about using the various FreeBSD ports tools to get to the ability to format docbook materials. Original Message Subject:formatting tools for Docbook Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:31:58 -0400 From: Chuck Robey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am aware that there is more than a single set of tools that mgiht possibly be used to format Xml-docbook into html, pdf, and ascii, so I want to ask the advice of those FreeBSD'ers who have actually begun using docbook to format their own personal documents. You see, I have a very lnog-term history of usage of Groff-'s MM macros for my document formatting tasks, but I want to move to a more modern set of tools. That is specifically (today) docbook-4.[latest], and tomorrow is docbook-5.[latest]. I really would want, if possible, to avoid using any dsssl-based toolset. If there is a toolset that uses only libxml* based tools, that would really be the best, but I would be willing to consider adding in Java-based tools. One more item, if I can take you that far (or maybe, I;m admitting that if you answer this, I will be following it up with a small set of questions regarding the installation of docbook catalogs, and the installation paths I will be using (so if I must do any document patching, which I don't know enough about yet to predict, I can do that). Once I get it working under Java, you see, I am convinced I coudl (using a smallish postscript helper file) craft a toolset that no longer needs Java at all, but I need a working toolset before I can make that jump. Help me, please! Again, if you aren;'t using docbook yourself, pass this up, please, I only want to hear from those using the tools themselves, on the FreeBSD lists. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: wikipedia article
-Original Message- From: Thor Lancelot Simon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 10:35 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: misc@openbsd.org; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: wikipedia article On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 10:27:33PM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: What was the bit size of the CPU's originally used to write UNIX in Bell Labs? Rather large. You can get all the details at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_core. That's a good one! :-) Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Creating a disklabel for NetBSD slice
Hi, I have FreeBSD 6.1 and NetBSD 3.0 on my machine. I can make disklabel entries (in NetBSD) for the FreeBSD partitions, and that way mount them in NetBSD. Just a matter of giving the absolute offset values of the partitions. But I cant find any straight forward way of mounting NetBSD partitions under FreeBSD. Doing disklabel /dev/ad0s2 (my NetBSD slice) gives an error message that there's no valid label to be found. So I make up a disklabel for ad0s2. I get the NetBSD disklabel into a file, edit it to make the number of partitions less than 8, remove all the miscellaneous info, change all the offsets to relative values, and then make a disklabel thus: disklabel -R ad0s2 nbsd.txt (nbsd.txt being the file which contains the disklabels). After this the disklabel is created fine, but when I boot into NetBSD, the disklabel there is messed up and so NetBSD can't load. I had a backup of the disklabels anyways (was expecting something like this), so I managed to get it fixed. Booted into a NetBSD install CD and restored the disklabel. And now when I boot into FreeBSD I see that its lost whatever disklabel I had written. So my question is this: is there any way I can get FreeBSD to create a disklabel for ad0s2, but *not overwrite* the NetBSD one? I mean, I see frequent references to on-disk label and in-core label in the manpage, and I was wondering maybe its possible to create a disklabel that's internal to FreeBSD and doesn't really overwrite the NetBSD one. Is that possible? What are these in-core and on-disk labels anyways? Thanks, Rakhesh -- NetBSD/i386 3.0 + pkgsrc-current | OpenBSD/i386 3.9 Toshiba Satellite L10-102 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
installing openoffice by package
I tried unsuccessfully to build OpenOffice 2.0 on my 5.4 box. Never had enoudh space in /usr... I decided to install by package: # pkg_add -r openoffice.org It tried to install version 1.1.5... Anyway, trying to start it gives errors: # openoffice.org-1.1.5 /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object libstdc++.so.5 not found, required by javaldx /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object libstdc++.so.5 not found, required by soffice.bin Any ideas? Peter __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Breakin attempt in the log
Hello, I have thousands of similar lines in my security log each day: Jun 9 06:34:12 designaproduct sshd[58759]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for ev1s-67-15-10-78.ev1servers.net failed - POSSIBLE BREAKIN ATTEMPT! Is this something I need to fear of? Thanks, Laszlo ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Breakin attempt in the log
Jun 9 06:34:12 designaproduct sshd[58759]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for ev1s-67-15-10-78.ev1servers.net failed - POSSIBLE BREAKIN ATTEMPT! Is this something I need to fear of? The short reply: No, but that something that the ISP ev1servers.net should clear of if they don't want to see their clients to be banned from some internet resources like yours. The longest and technical reply: You have set-up ssh daemon on your machine to refuse connections that have a missmatched DNS reverse. When one client tries to connect to the ssh daemon on your machine, your machine does a reverse DNS resolution, try to associate a name to the IP address that attempt the connection. Then your machine does a DNS resolution, it tries to associate an IP address to the name found on the previous stage. That IP address should be the same that you see for the client trying to connect to your ssh daemon. If not, it means something is not normal and your ssh daemon refuses the connection. Some ISP do not set-up properly their DNS and reverse DNS, so there are some missmatches. Missmatches can also occur on IP blocs that have just changed from one ISP to another, forward DNS points to thenew values while reverse DNS are still in the cache with old values... Anyway, problem lays with the ISP and the ISP client, not with you. Bests, Olivier ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: installing openoffice by package
On 6/13/06, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried unsuccessfully to build OpenOffice 2.0 on my 5.4 box. Never had enoudh space in /usr... I decided to install by package: # pkg_add -r openoffice.org It tried to install version 1.1.5... Anyway, trying to start it gives errors: # openoffice.org-1.1.5 /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object libstdc++.so.5 not found, required by javaldx /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object libstdc++.so.5 not found, required by soffice.bin Any ideas? Try KOffice 1.5.1. I've never had a build fail and it now supports ODF documents... anyways... 1. Remove the openoffice 1.1.5 package. 2. Deinstall linux-sun-jdk14. 3. Deinstall jdk14. 4. Clean up your ports, if you have portupgrade installed type in portsclean -C. 5. cd /usr/ports/java/diablo-jdk15; make install 6. cd /usr/ports/java/jdk15; make install clean 7. cd /usr/ports/java/diablo-jdk15; make deinstall 8. don't remember if you need to change devel/bison. 9. cd /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-2.0; make install clean 10. when build fails (it will) report back to us. - BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: installing openoffice by package
On 6/13/06, Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/13/06, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried unsuccessfully to build OpenOffice 2.0 on my 5.4 box. Never had enoudh space in /usr... I decided to install by package: # pkg_add -r openoffice.org It tried to install version 1.1.5... Anyway, trying to start it gives errors: # openoffice.org-1.1.5 /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object libstdc++.so.5 not found, required by javaldx /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object libstdc++.so.5 not found, required by soffice.bin Any ideas? Try KOffice 1.5.1. I've never had a build fail and it now supports ODF documents... anyways... 1. Remove the openoffice 1.1.5 package. 2. Deinstall linux-sun-jdk14. 3. Deinstall jdk14. 4. Clean up your ports, if you have portupgrade installed type in portsclean -C. 5. cd /usr/ports/java/diablo-jdk15; make install 6. cd /usr/ports/java/jdk15; make install clean 7. cd /usr/ports/java/diablo-jdk15; make deinstall 8. don't remember if you need to change devel/bison. 9. cd /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-2.0; make install clean 10. when build fails (it will) report back to us. Here's the first problem you will run into: === bison-2.1_2 conflicts with installed package(s): bison-1.75_2,1 They install files into the same place. Please remove them first with pkg_delete(1). *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/bison2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-2.0. infomatic# The fix is simple: # cd ../../devel/bison # make deinstall # cd ../bison2 # make install clean # cd ../../editors/openoffice.org-2.0 # make WITH_KDE=yes WITH_TTF_BYTECODE_ENABLED=yes -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nss_ldap and OpenLDAP client version
Ansar Mohammed wrote: One of the more undocumented things here is to make sure that in your /usr/local/etc/nss_ldap.conf to make sure that your bind_polcy is soft. If not, you will have no end of problems if you ldap server goes down. Basically if you have in your nsswitch.conf: Passwd: files ldap Group: files ldap If your ldap server is down; nss_ldap keeps trying to reconnect and allot of apps just hang; (like top, ls -la etc) Luckily I haven't had the problem of OpenLDAP going down much so I haven't tweaked this option yet (all clients are currently on the same machine). The [fail=continue] switches (can't recall the exact terms) might alleviate that for NSS stuff? When I first read about the parameter my initial reaction was that 'soft' and 'hard' weren't all that intuitive, but maybe thats just me (fail_immediately/retry_on_fail or similar make more sense to me). One area I wasn't too sure of at first is the permissions on /usr/local/etc/ldap.conf (and nss_ldap.conf)... because of the issues I was having, I figured I needed to configure the 'binddn' and 'bindpw' settings to get a proxy user account to bind to LDAP (I was thinking of Solaris' proxy account and Directory Server). But those params require an unhashed password in the file, so I tried to set it only to be readable by root, which doesn't work - it needs to be world-readable. From what I've gleaned you can do away with these settings, if the directory is setup to allow anonymous binds and reading of the required information via an anonymous bind, or otherwise you need to setup an account with very limited read-only privileges on the required entries. One thing I'm still not clear on with the pam_ldap interaction (not so much the name service switch stuff) - a limited user to read username/group name/hostname information etc is fine for NSS, but what about authentication attempts? I'm guessing pam_ldap doesn't use the 'binddn' proxy to compare the hashed passwords, or otherwise you'd be stuck in a situation where you have to have a world readable account/password, and that account can read all password information. I'll up the debugging on slapd and try it for myself, but I think when I last checked it wasn't using the 'rootbinddn' account I'd supplied for authentication attempts (might've been trying to bind anonymously and then as the user's DN directly with the supplied credentials, can't recall, though the latter would make sense to me). Cheers Joe ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD is #1
Heh, FreeBSD is #1 to me because it is the most painless operating system I've ever used... Ignoring the 5.x installer. Never used pre-5.x -Jim On 6/12/06, Danial Thom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freebsd 4.x no doubt :) --- Beech Rintoul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found this on Netcraft and thought I'd share it: Six Hosting Companies Most Reliable Hoster in May. Six hosting companies share the top spot this month, with INetU, Hostway, IPower, New York Internet, Pair Networks andTiscali all sharing the top spot as the most reliable hosting company site this month. The six-way tie is a first for the reliability survey, as three and even four providers have shared the top position in the past. The showing reflects a strong month for hosting reliability, as the winners each had just 0.01 percent of their DNS responses fail, just a hair short of a perfect showing. All six companies have finished atop the survey at least once previously. It was a particularly good month for providers hosting their home page on FreeBSD, four of whom (INetU, iPowerWeb, NY Internet and Pair Networks) shared the top spot with two hosts on Linux (Hostway and Tiscali). Overall, five Linux sites are found in the top 10 this month, four on FreeBSD and one on Windows. http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2006/06/06/six_hosting_companies_most_reliable_hoster_in_may.html Way to go FreeBSD!! Beech -- --- Beech Rintoul - Sys. Administrator - [EMAIL PROTECTED] /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Alaska Paradise \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | 201 East 9Th Avenue Ste.310 X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Anchorage, AK 99501 / \ - Please visit Alaska Paradise - http://www.alaskaparadise.com --- __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: man pages in plain text - how to?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:28:07 -0400 , Charles Swiger wrote: snip On Jun 9, 2006, at 3:01 PM, Wayne wrote: Was wondering how to get man to output pages in plain text? I want the basic formating (indentation whatnot) but NOT the bold and other special effects. Just ascii text I can grep through. I tried setting the terminal type to dumb and the stupid thing still tries to do back-space overstrike bolding (jeesh - even LA-120s had fancier print capabilities than that, IIRC.) snip The easiest way to do it, I believe, is with col . (Just try 'man col' to check all the options.) I have used 'man topic | col -b' to see the man page for topic with all the egregious stuff removed, and I just append to the pipeline 'topic.man' if I want to save it. Or, e.g.: gzcat /usr/share/man/man1/man.1.gz | nroff -man -Tascii | colcrt Man is just calling nroff (unless there's a pre-cat-ed page). --Alex ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Breakin attempt in the log
Greetings I had such logs. Solved it (and some brootforces) by moving sshd from port 22 to 5422 or something else. Good luck. Hello, I have thousands of similar lines in my security log each day: Jun 9 06:34:12 designaproduct sshd[58759]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for ev1s-67-15-10-78.ev1servers.net failed - POSSIBLE BREAKIN ATTEMPT! Is this something I need to fear of? Thanks, Laszlo ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wikipedia article
That qualifies as the answer of the day. My hat goes off to you. :-D Johnny Thor Lancelot Simon wrote: On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 10:27:33PM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: What was the bit size of the CPU's originally used to write UNIX in Bell Labs? Rather large. You can get all the details at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_core. -- Johnny Billquist || I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip - B. Idol ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
EM64T chipset and FreeBSD instalation
Hi all I am going to install several NFS server in FreebSD for several customers and the computer has the following characteristics: - MSI 945PNeo Platinum Main Board, chipset 915P, ICH7R, VIA® 6410, 82573 PCI-E Gb LAN, PCI Express 16x VGA, VIA® 6307 (IEEE1394) - Intel EM64T P4 CPU 3,2Ghz, 800Mhz FSB, 2Mb L2 - SDRAM 1Gb DDR2 - HD IDE 80 GB Seagate - 2x HD SATA 200Gb Seagate in RAID 1 controlled by the chipset of the mainboard. I want to install in this system a NFS, Samba, and TCP, in order to make possible to use the data on the RAID 1 like a file repository for the customer ms windows network, and also get some data files from there homes with FTP (I will install pfsense in another small pc). I think that I must install the amd64 flavour of FreeBSD, because it is recommended for the EM64T Intel chip. But I don't know if this flacour is well tested and if instead of it, i must install the i386 flavour of FreeBSD. I have seen also that amd64 seems doesn't have all the devices drivers that i386 have, so I don't know what to do really. Also I observ that when I run the install CD 1, it recognize the following disks: - ad0 = the main HD (IDE) - ad12 = one of the SATA HD - ad8 = the other SATA HD - ar8 = what is this ? I think is the RAID controller because is of logic, but, must I create filesystems on the ad12, ad8? or only on ar8? or on all?. thanks in advance sincerely Juan Coruña Desarrollo de Software Atlantico ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: wikipedia article
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mipam Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 1:45 AM To: Nikolas Britton Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org; misc@openbsd.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Hámorszky Balázs; freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: wikipedia article On Sun, 11 Jun 2006, Nikolas Britton wrote: [SNIP] * IIRC NetBSD was a fork of FreeBSD, OpenBSD was a fork of NetBSD. Eeh? I believe NetBSD was there half a year before FreeBSD. Eh? http://www.netbsd.org/Misc/history.html ...Frustration at getting patches integrated and releases of 386BSD led to FreeBSD, which concentrated the i386 platform, while NetBSD formed to focus on multi-platform support... Now, for the references, see: http://wolfram.schneider.org/bsd/ftp/releases/ Let's start with the 386BSD stuff. Unfortunately he doesen't have the release note for 386BSD 0.1, I think I have it I'll have to send it to him. However: http://wolfram.schneider.org/bsd/ftp/releases/386BSD-0.0 ...From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Mar 14 21:59:20 1992... http://wolfram.schneider.org/bsd/ftp/releases/386BSD-1.0 ... Date: 12 Nov 1994 22:50:49 -0800.. It shipped November 4... So you see there was a lot of overlap, here. Both NetBSD and FreeBSD's official first releases fell between the releases of 386BSD. But, that isn't the whole story, read on: http://wolfram.schneider.org/bsd/ftp/releases/NetBSD-0.8 ...The source for NetBSD is derived from 386BSD 0.1, patched with the 0.2.2 patch kit ...Thanks go to: All of the people involved in the patch kit, including but not limited to: Terry Lambert Nate Williams Jordan Hubbard Rod Grimes... http://wolfram.schneider.org/bsd/ftp/releases/FreeBSD-1.0-EPSILON ...much awaited SECOND public release of FreeBSD... ...From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jordan K. Hubbard) Now, here's the kicker. Notice that NetBSD 0.8 thanks Jordan for his work, why? It is because Jordan is the release manager for FreeBSD during that time that NetBSD was released. Yet if NetBSD was 6 months BEFORE FreeBSD as your asserting, why would they be thanking the authors of the patchkit, of which Jordan was one - 386BSD 0.1 as we should all know became FreeBSD, read: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/history.html ...The FreeBSD project had its genesis in the early part of 1993, partially as an outgrowth of the “Unofficial 386BSD Patchkit” by the patchkit's last 3 coordinators: Nate Williams, Rod Grimes and myself You see, work on FreeBSD and NetBSD was going on in parallel at the same time, with the same people working on both operating systems. It is a mistake to think that NetBSD was a fork of FreeBSD or vis-versa. Both were forks of the 386BSD 0.1 release and as I explained, started out identically. NetBSD was carried on within CSRG initally, that is why you see all the blurbs like intended as a research tool and suchlike in the early NetBSD notes. FreeBSD was carried on within Walnut Creek, very much outside of Berkeley. You have to understand that in 1993 the Internet wasn't all over the place, a lot of people had no way of connection to it. Only a fortunate few could do an FTP transfer of anything from Berkeley. That is why Walnut Creek initially was so important. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: wikipedia article
-Original Message- From: John Nemeth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 1:15 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt; Nikolas Britton; Ted Unangst Cc: Hámorszky Balázs; misc@openbsd.org; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: wikipedia article On Nov 1, 6:11pm, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: } } Prior to the release of the 80386 the Intel processors didn't have } memory protection which was a requirement of any processor running } the BSD kernel. This is not entirely true. The 80286 had memory protection. However, its memory protection was completely based on segments (i.e. it could not do paging). Oh, yeah, your right about that. Me bad. Also, it was only a 16 bit processor. What was the bit size of the CPU's originally used to write UNIX in Bell Labs? Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wikipedia article
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: John Nemeth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 1:15 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt; Nikolas Britton; Ted Unangst Cc: Hamorszky Balazs; misc@openbsd.org; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: wikipedia article On Nov 1, 6:11pm, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: } } Prior to the release of the 80386 the Intel processors didn't have } memory protection which was a requirement of any processor running } the BSD kernel. This is not entirely true. The 80286 had memory protection. However, its memory protection was completely based on segments (i.e. it could not do paging). Oh, yeah, your right about that. Me bad. Also, it was only a 16 bit processor. What was the bit size of the CPU's originally used to write UNIX in Bell Labs? What's more, iirc the MMU of the pdp11 isn't what we call a MMU today, it could not even do paging. -Otto ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wikipedia article
Various wrote: From: Otto Moerbeek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... What was the bit size of the CPU's originally used to write UNIX in Bell Labs? What's more, iirc the MMU of the pdp11 isn't what we call a MMU today, it could not even do paging. The pdp-11 mmu could handle program relocation, segmentation (after a fashion) and memory protection. I'm not sure what more you could expect from an mmu. What you mean by paging is probably demand paging, which means the ability to run a program without requiring that it be entirely resident. The key feature you need for that is a guarantee that any instruction fault caused by missing memory can be either restarted or continued. In most architectures that's a question of cpu design not mmu. In the case of the pdp-11 that's mostly a moot point. The pdp-11 only provides for mapping the 64k of memory space into into 8 segments (addressable on 64-byte clicks) and there's just not much win to demand paging 8 pages. (actually 6 x 8 pages; there was kernel, user, and supervisor mode, each had separate instruction and data spaces, but supervisor mode was rarely used in Unix environments, and only a few large user mode programs ran using split I/D space.) For what it's worth, though, I *think* it was possible to restart most instructions on the /45 and /70, which were the big machines and the primary target of most later pdp-11 work. In fact, some use was made of this feature -- automatic stack growth. If you look through ancient Unix source, you'll find interesting bits of kernel code that manage this. There's actually a cheesy way to do demand paging with microprocessors that don't support demand paging (such as the original 68000--another 16 bit machine). The way to do this is to run two processors in parallel but skewed by one instruction. If the first one does a bad memory fetch, then the second one will not have fetched the instruction causing the fault so contains restartable machine state. Masscomp sold a machine like this once. -Marcus Watts ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wikipedia article
On 11/06/06, Hámorszky Balázs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking for some help on an article on wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open_source_operating_systems Whilst there, what about another important article that seems to have a Linux POV? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Open_Source_Wireless_Drivers ;) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wikipedia article
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 01:14:57PM -0700, John Nemeth wrote: The 80386 was the first x86 processor with paging (which all modern virtual memory systems are based around) and 32 bits. -is ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wikipedia article
Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: John Nemeth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 1:15 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt; Nikolas Britton; Ted Unangst Cc: Hamorszky Balazs; misc@openbsd.org; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: wikipedia article On Nov 1, 6:11pm, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: } } Prior to the release of the 80386 the Intel processors didn't have } memory protection which was a requirement of any processor running } the BSD kernel. This is not entirely true. The 80286 had memory protection. However, its memory protection was completely based on segments (i.e. it could not do paging). Oh, yeah, your right about that. Me bad. Also, it was only a 16 bit processor. What was the bit size of the CPU's originally used to write UNIX in Bell Labs? The PDP-7 was/is an 18-bit machine. What's more, iirc the MMU of the pdp11 isn't what we call a MMU today, it could not even do paging. You're wrong. You could easily do paging on a PDP-11, if you wanted to. The main reasons this wasn't done are two. 1) Each page is 8K. At the time, that was considered way too large pages for a demand page system. 2) The address space is only 64 per process, which means you only have 8 pages. Not only is that perhaps a little little for meaningful paging (most programs tend to refer to all 8 pages most of the time). The main memory on a PDP-11 is furthermore 4 meg, so having a lot of processes full memory space in physical memory at the same time is not a problem. The PDP-11 MMU is a beatiful MMU. Nothing like the crap Intel spits out. ;-) Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip - B. Idol ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wikipedia article
Marcus Watts wrote: Various wrote: From: Otto Moerbeek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... What's more, iirc the MMU of the pdp11 isn't what we call a MMU today, it could not even do paging. The pdp-11 mmu could handle program relocation, segmentation (after a fashion) and memory protection. I'm not sure what more you could expect from an mmu. What you mean by paging is probably demand paging, which means the ability to run a program without requiring that it be entirely resident. The key feature you need for that is a guarantee that any instruction fault caused by missing memory can be either restarted or continued. In most architectures that's a question of cpu design not mmu. True. But it's mostly a combination of MMU and CPU. The MMU needs to either abort or trap the offending instruction, and the CPU needs to know how much side effects had been done so that they can be undone before a restart. The PDP-11 MMU can either abort the instruction, or do a trap after the instruction completes. The CPU have a register telling of register modifications done, as well as the pre-fetch PC. In additions to this, the MMU have both an expansion direction, a modified bit, and an accessed bit. And that is in addition to the protection field and size field of the page (and the address relocation). So I can't really imagine anything that you cannot do with the PDP-11 MMU. Heck, there is even the funny bypass cache bit. Useful for multiprocessor systems... Since the PDP-11 have a different page table for I- and D-space, you can even have execute-only pages. In the case of the pdp-11 that's mostly a moot point. The pdp-11 only provides for mapping the 64k of memory space into into 8 segments (addressable on 64-byte clicks) and there's just not much win to demand paging 8 pages. (actually 6 x 8 pages; there was kernel, user, and supervisor mode, each had separate instruction and data spaces, but supervisor mode was rarely used in Unix environments, and only a few large user mode programs ran using split I/D space.) 2.11BSD uses supervisor mode for the networking parts of the kernel. And the kernel is all I/D-space, and a bunch of programs are as well. The development is still contiuing. :-) For what it's worth, though, I *think* it was possible to restart most instructions on the /45 and /70, which were the big machines and the primary target of most later pdp-11 work. I don't think there is a single instruction that you can't restart. Some small, older machines missed a few registers needed for proper restarts however, and on those things were a bit more of a gamble if you wanted to go that path. In fact, some use was made of this feature -- automatic stack growth. If you look through ancient Unix source, you'll find interesting bits of kernel code that manage this. There's actually a cheesy way to do demand paging with microprocessors that don't support demand paging (such as the original 68000--another 16 bit machine). The way to do this is to run two processors in parallel but skewed by one instruction. If the first one does a bad memory fetch, then the second one will not have fetched the instruction causing the fault so contains restartable machine state. Masscomp sold a machine like this once. Didn't the first Apollos do this? Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip - B. Idol ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wikipedia article
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, Johnny Billquist wrote: Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: John Nemeth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 1:15 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt; Nikolas Britton; Ted Unangst Cc: Hamorszky Balazs; misc@openbsd.org; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: wikipedia article On Nov 1, 6:11pm, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: } } Prior to the release of the 80386 the Intel processors didn't have } memory protection which was a requirement of any processor running } the BSD kernel. This is not entirely true. The 80286 had memory protection. However, its memory protection was completely based on segments (i.e. it could not do paging). Oh, yeah, your right about that. Me bad. Also, it was only a 16 bit processor. What was the bit size of the CPU's originally used to write UNIX in Bell Labs? The PDP-7 was/is an 18-bit machine. What's more, iirc the MMU of the pdp11 isn't what we call a MMU today, it could not even do paging. You're wrong. You could easily do paging on a PDP-11, if you wanted to. The main reasons this wasn't done are two. 1) Each page is 8K. At the time, that was considered way too large pages for a demand page system. 2) The address space is only 64 per process, which means you only have 8 pages. Not only is that perhaps a little little for meaningful paging (most programs tend to refer to all 8 pages most of the time). The main memory on a PDP-11 is furthermore 4 meg, so having a lot of processes full memory space in physical memory at the same time is not a problem. The PDP-11 MMU is a beatiful MMU. Nothing like the crap Intel spits out. ;-) I stand corrected. I always thought it coulnd't do paging, but I suppose it should be due to various restrictions, it couldn't do meaningful paging. -Otto ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Im new to FreeBSD
[resending to newsgroup, since I only replied to the OP] Well, if Crossover Office ran on FreeBSD, I would probably never boot my windows machine except as reference to help family with windows problems. Your hardware issues are quite good enough. Applications: Most non-windows operating systems won't run windows apps. However, with the Wine poject, many will run. For example, I have been playing Master of Orion III on my my BSD machine under wine, and it runs _better_ than in Windows. However, getting office, corel photopaint, visual studios and trillian to install properly seems to be an effort in futility. Crossover office would fix many of these problems, but it doesn't seem to install on FreeBSD, and it seems there is some trickery involved, using multiple operating systems to get it to work (not worth the expert, unless you are a major tech savant I suspect). That being said, the advantages and disadvantages of FreeBSD over the other main x86 candidate, Linux, at least to my experience; (1) Installation - FreeBSD is probably one of the most unpleasant installers to learn, that I've found, it's a lot better in 6.0/6.1 though. It's not gui, which is OK, but there are confusing and redundant options, that let you go out of order, and change things at bad times somtimes, and unless you are quite knoledgeable in the process, you can go out of order and really screw things up. Also, the hard drive configuration tool can have issues with some drive/chipset combos (such as a 120GB IDE Western Digital drive on the IDE chipset of an A8N-E motherboard in my experience). NOTE: Once you learn this, it's not that bad, and to be honest, it's a one time thing. (2) Upkeep - FreeBSD is much easier to keep up than linux. (a) you have this mailing list. I've never seen anyone use RTFM here, and even if they do something similar things, they will at least tell you *where* to look. (b) The handbook is VERY well written, and is inordinately useful. (c) Googled howtos and docs for FreeBSD seem to be better written than the linux equivalents. They don't assume nearly as high of a user-knowledge as Linux docs tend to, which is nicer to the novices. (3) Oh Crap! - On those Oh Crap! moments, that happen to everyone, some strange thing happens and you have to fix some horrible error. FreeBSDs better documentation, and more helpful error messages make fixing the issues much easier. The hurried newbie will find him/her self reinstalling less, and fixing without reinstalling more, saving a lot of time and effort. BSD is much better here. (4) App install; I've had horrible luck with *nix app installs, they allways seem to have some compilation issue in the source file distributions, unless you have exactly the right setup, and RPMs tend to lead to dependancy hell worse than any I've ever seen, the yucky app yum doesn't help this much. Debians apt-get is better, but still has it's issues. Ports is insanely reliable, and issues in ports are relatively easy to fix. FreeBSD is much better here. (5) Windows application compatability - Crossover Office unfortunately doesn't work on FreeBSD, so Linux has an advantage here. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Printers on /dev/ulpt*
Hi there! Recently I have installed a printserver at my work to make use of all those USB-printers in our network. Everything is running fine, thank you :) The printers are turned off every night, and they get there /dev-entry when turned on again, as expected. Cups is serving them on the network, so Cups looks for the appropriate /dev/ulpt*. I have had to teach my colleagues to turn the printers on in the right order. When they are switched on in a different order, the wrong printer gets /dev/ulpt0, another wrong printer gets /dev/ulpt1 etc. Is there a way to get around this? Can I assign a /dev/ulpt*-entry to a certain device, even when it is off? Or is there another workaround (in Cups perhaps)? A CC would be appreciated, I'm not subscribed. Thanks, regards, Fi-Ji. -- Frans-Jan v. Steenbeek Pakhuisweg 16-II NL-6718XJ Ede the Netherlands T: 0318 516714 06-43536482 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wikipedia article
Johnny Billquist said: There's actually a cheesy way to do demand paging with microprocessors that don't support demand paging (such as the original 68000--another 16 bit machine). The way to do this is to run two processors in parallel but skewed by one instruction. If the first one does a bad memory fetch, then the second one will not have fetched the instruction causing the fault so contains restartable machine state. Masscomp sold a machine like this once. Didn't the first Apollos do this? And also the Sun 1. -- Rick Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rmkhome.com/ http://rkba.rmkhome.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: EM64T chipset and FreeBSD instalation
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:39:00 - (GMT) DSA - JCR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to install several NFS server in FreebSD for several customers and the computer has the following characteristics: - MSI 945PNeo Platinum Main Board, chipset 915P, ICH7R, VIA® 6410, 82573 PCI-E Gb LAN, PCI Express 16x VGA, VIA® 6307 (IEEE1394) - Intel EM64T P4 CPU 3,2Ghz, 800Mhz FSB, 2Mb L2 - SDRAM 1Gb DDR2 - HD IDE 80 GB Seagate - 2x HD SATA 200Gb Seagate in RAID 1 controlled by the chipset of the mainboard. I want to install in this system a NFS, Samba, and TCP, in order to make possible to use the data on the RAID 1 like a file repository for the customer ms windows network, and also get some data files from there homes with FTP (I will install pfsense in another small pc). I think that I must install the amd64 flavour of FreeBSD, because it is recommended for the EM64T Intel chip. But I don't know if this flacour is well tested and if instead of it, i must install the i386 flavour of FreeBSD. Both i386 and amd64 are tier 1, meaning they are fully supported. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/committers-guide/archs.html P4 should be able to run in either i386 mode or amd64 mode -- so it's your choice. I have seen also that amd64 seems doesn't have all the devices drivers that i386 have, so I don't know what to do really. If the amd64 port doesn't support hardware that you require, then you'll need to use the i386 port. Also I observ that when I run the install CD 1, it recognize the following disks: - ad0 = the main HD (IDE) - ad12 = one of the SATA HD - ad8 = the other SATA HD - ar8 = what is this ? I think is the RAID controller because is of logic, but, must I create filesystems on the ad12, ad8? or only on ar8? or on all?. I don't know the answer to this. -- Bill Moran Collaborative Fusion Inc. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD is #1
On 6/12/06, Jim Stapleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heh, FreeBSD is #1 to me because it is the most painless operating system I've ever used... Ignoring the 5.x installer. Never used pre-5.x -Jim What do you mean 5.x? FreeBSD never made 5.x. They went straight from 4 to 6 like everybody else. :-) Netscape 4 = 6 Linux 2.4 = 2.6 FreeBSD 4 = 6 It's a good thing we don't let computers pick version numbers, you might end up with FreeBSD 5.5 +/- sqrt(.36). -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Scanning MP3 files for skips
Hello! I'm curious whether there's a tool out there that will scan through audio files looking for patterns that resemble skips and other nonos in the world of music. I have MD5 checksums for all my MP3 files, but that doesn't guarantee that they were fine before the checksums were generated. Thanks, and all the best, Kyrre Nygård ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: installing openoffice by package
--- Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/13/06, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried unsuccessfully to build OpenOffice 2.0 on my 5.4 box. Never had enoudh space in /usr... I decided to install by package: # pkg_add -r openoffice.org It tried to install version 1.1.5... Anyway, trying to start it gives errors: # openoffice.org-1.1.5 /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object libstdc++.so.5 not found, required by javaldx /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object libstdc++.so.5 not found, required by soffice.bin Any ideas? Try KOffice 1.5.1. I've never had a build fail and it now supports ODF documents... anyways... Nope, I tried that and I was not satisfied with it due to its .xls handling. Trouble is, I removed it already and now I'm left without any MS readers. Forget Abiword... 1. Remove the openoffice 1.1.5 package. 2. Deinstall linux-sun-jdk14. 3. Deinstall jdk14. 4. Clean up your ports, if you have portupgrade installed type in portsclean -C. 5. cd /usr/ports/java/diablo-jdk15; make install 6. cd /usr/ports/java/jdk15; make install clean 7. cd /usr/ports/java/diablo-jdk15; make deinstall 8. don't remember if you need to change devel/bison. 9. cd /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-2.0; make install clean 10. when build fails (it will) report back to us. Nope, I said that I do not have enough space to build this beast. The thing needs ~9 GB under /usr and I just don't have that. I wonder why it won't install by package? Peter __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: installing openoffice by package
On 6/13/06, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/13/06, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried unsuccessfully to build OpenOffice 2.0 on my 5.4 box. Never had enoudh space in /usr... I decided to install by package: # pkg_add -r openoffice.org It tried to install version 1.1.5... Anyway, trying to start it gives errors: # openoffice.org-1.1.5 /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object libstdc++.so.5 not found, required by javaldx /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object libstdc++.so.5 not found, required by soffice.bin Any ideas? Try KOffice 1.5.1. I've never had a build fail and it now supports ODF documents... anyways... Nope, I tried that and I was not satisfied with it due to its .xls handling. Trouble is, I removed it already and now I'm left without any MS readers. Forget Abiword... Try gnumeric? why use .xls, .doc etc. when you have ODF? save all your documents in ODF. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help redirect port
- Original Message -
From: FBSD_UG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Vasili S. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 3:49 AM
Subject: Re: Help redirect port
On 08 jun 2006, at 16:49, Vasili S. wrote:
I try make redirect port by natd
# natd -n ed1 -redirect_port tcp 192.168.1.100:80 8080
no work
Not see traffic by tcpdump,
Not see listen port (netstat or sockstat)
why ?
interfaces
~~~
ed1: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500
inet A.B.C.D netmask 0xffc0 broadcast A.B.C.
ether 00:02:44:08:74:7a
de0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500
inet 192.168.1.100 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255
ether 00:40:05:30:9f:ed
media: autoselect (100baseTX full-duplex) status: active
supported media: autoselect 100baseTX full-duplex 100baseTX
10baseT/UT
kernel:
~
options IPFIREWALL
options IPDIVERT
options IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT
options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE
ipfw =OPEN
Thanks,
Vasili
Hey Vasili
what are your firewall rules?
you should divert traffic to have nat do any work...
Arno
Hi Arno
I do not understand how make divert traffic for nat
In rc.firewall exist config line:
if [ -n ${natd_interface} ]; then
${fwcmd} add 50 divert natd all from any to any via
${natd_interface}
Summary config:
ipfw =OPEN
natd_interface='ed1'
rc.firewall:
if [ -n ${natd_interface} ]; then
${fwcmd} add 50 divert natd all from any to any via
${natd_interface}
#ipfw show
00050 733 74509 divert 8668 ip from any to any via ed1
00100 0 0 allow ip from any to any via lo0
00200 0 0 deny ip from any to 127.0.0.0/8
00300 0 0 deny ip from 127.0.0.0/8 to any
65000 954 92225 allow ip from any to any
65535 2 168 allow ip from any to any
#ps
232 ?? Rs 0:00.27 /sbin/natd -redirect_port tcp 192.168.1.100:80
8080 -n ed1
but no work :((
Vasili.
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FreeBSD firewall, nat, kernel
Hi, I've just installed a FBSD 6.1 box and I want to install Firewall and NAT services. The handbook Firewall chapter indicates to compile Firewall if you want NAT. But, I could not find in the GENERIC file the IPFIREWALL options. Do you have an idea ? Thanks, Regi ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: installing openoffice by package
Nikolas Britton wrote: On 6/13/06, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/13/06, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried unsuccessfully to build OpenOffice 2.0 on my 5.4 box. Never had enoudh space in /usr... I decided to install by package: # pkg_add -r openoffice.org It tried to install version 1.1.5... Anyway, trying to start it gives errors: # openoffice.org-1.1.5 /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object libstdc++.so.5 not found, required by javaldx /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object libstdc++.so.5 not found, required by soffice.bin Any ideas? Try KOffice 1.5.1. I've never had a build fail and it now supports ODF documents... anyways... Nope, I tried that and I was not satisfied with it due to its .xls handling. Trouble is, I removed it already and now I'm left without any MS readers. Forget Abiword... Try gnumeric? why use .xls, .doc etc. when you have ODF? save all your documents in ODF. http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/#obtain The above link gives you FreeBSD packages for OpenOffice (i've used those myself). Download, use pkg_add. It will tell the missing dependencies, you can either install them from ports or packages as you see fit. Worked well for me. Greets, Nicky ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Fwd: formatting tools for Docbook]
Chuck Robey wrote: This is a delayed reposting of something that I might have sent to an initially poorly chosen list; if it still gets no reponse in another day, I might try again, if I can figure out a better FreeBSD list to choose. My predilection for FreeBSD is strong, I would really dislike to be forced to jump to Linux (or, god forbid, to Windows) for this infomation, about using the various FreeBSD ports tools to get to the ability to format docbook materials. Best list: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-doc Good starting point: http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ Detailed tutorial: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/index.html Tools: check out everything that is installed by these metaports: textproc/docproj-jadetex textproc/docproj-nojadetex -- Greg Barniskis, Computer Systems Integrator South Central Library System (SCLS) Library Interchange Network (LINK) gregb at scls.lib.wi.us, (608) 266-6348 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD firewall, nat, kernel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've just installed a FBSD 6.1 box and I want to install Firewall and NAT services. The handbook Firewall chapter indicates to compile Firewall if you want NAT. But, I could not find in the GENERIC file the IPFIREWALL options. Do you have an idea ? See the NOTES file for extra kernel options, /usr/src/sys/conf/NOTES You can choose to compile ipfirewall, ipfilter or packet-filter. At least pf can also be loaded as kernel module so you don't need to recompile. Cheers, Erik ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: EM64T chipset and FreeBSD instalation
The EM64T is just the additional 64 bit extensions. Since you are using less than 4 GB of RAM you won't use the 64-bit extensions, I would use the i386 version. Set up the RAID 1 Array first, and make sure it is a single volume. When you do your install you should see 2 drives, one is the 80 GB drive, the second is the RAID volume. Hope this helps. -Derek At 06:39 AM 6/13/2006, DSA - JCR wrote: Hi all I am going to install several NFS server in FreebSD for several customers and the computer has the following characteristics: - MSI 945PNeo Platinum Main Board, chipset 915P, ICH7R, VIA® 6410, 82573 PCI-E Gb LAN, PCI Express 16x VGA, VIA® 6307 (IEEE1394) - Intel EM64T P4 CPU 3,2Ghz, 800Mhz FSB, 2Mb L2 - SDRAM 1Gb DDR2 - HD IDE 80 GB Seagate - 2x HD SATA 200Gb Seagate in RAID 1 controlled by the chipset of the mainboard. I want to install in this system a NFS, Samba, and TCP, in order to make possible to use the data on the RAID 1 like a file repository for the customer ms windows network, and also get some data files from there homes with FTP (I will install pfsense in another small pc). I think that I must install the amd64 flavour of FreeBSD, because it is recommended for the EM64T Intel chip. But I don't know if this flacour is well tested and if instead of it, i must install the i386 flavour of FreeBSD. I have seen also that amd64 seems doesn't have all the devices drivers that i386 have, so I don't know what to do really. Also I observ that when I run the install CD 1, it recognize the following disks: - ad0 = the main HD (IDE) - ad12 = one of the SATA HD - ad8 = the other SATA HD - ar8 = what is this ? I think is the RAID controller because is of logic, but, must I create filesystems on the ad12, ad8? or only on ar8? or on all?. thanks in advance sincerely Juan Coruña Desarrollo de Software Atlantico ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Scanning MP3 files for skips
Kyrre Nygard wrote: I'm curious whether there's a tool out there that will scan through audio files looking for patterns that resemble skips and other nonos in the world of music. I have MD5 checksums for all my MP3 files, but that doesn't guarantee that they were fine before the checksums were generated. Sort of...GraceNote and a few other companies (Shazam, seems to be from India?) sell a service where music files can be fingerprinted and identified. Good audio files ought to ID as what they are; bad music files with skips or garbage will fail to ID. -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Where is CARP?
Hi Am I missing something here? I'm running FreeBSD 6.1/amd64 and I can't see any sign of CARP. The man page is there but very little else: $ sudo ifconfig carp0 create ifconfig: SIOCIFCREATE: Invalid argument $ sysctl -a | grep carp net.inet.ip.same_prefix_carp_only: 0 I thought maybe it was a kernel option, but I can't see that either: $ cd /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf grep -i carp * NOTHING And I thought it might be a KLD: $ cd /boot/kernel ls *carp* ls: *carp*: No such file or directory Where is it hiding and how do I enable it? Thanks Ashley -- If you do it the stupid way, you will have to do it again - Gregory Chudnovsky ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: FreeBSD firewall, nat, kernel
All 3 FreeBSD 6.1 firewall software products IPF, IPFW, PF and their NAT components all work without having to be compiled into the kernel. Read the handbook closer for details on how to activate which ever one you want to use. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FreeBSD firewall, nat, kernel Hi, I've just installed a FBSD 6.1 box and I want to install Firewall and NAT services. The handbook Firewall chapter indicates to compile Firewall if you want NAT. But, I could not find in the GENERIC file the IPFIREWALL options. Do you have an idea ? Thanks, Regi ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where is CARP?
Ashley Moran wrote: Hi Am I missing something here? I'm running FreeBSD 6.1/amd64 and I can't see any sign of CARP. The man page is there but very little else: $ sudo ifconfig carp0 create ifconfig: SIOCIFCREATE: Invalid argument $ sysctl -a | grep carp net.inet.ip.same_prefix_carp_only: 0 I thought maybe it was a kernel option, but I can't see that either: $ cd /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf grep -i carp * NOTHING And I thought it might be a KLD: $ cd /boot/kernel ls *carp* ls: *carp*: No such file or directory Where is it hiding and how do I enable it? See the NOTES filefor extra kernel options, /usr/src/sys/conf/NOTES: device pf #PF OpenBSD packet-filter firewall device pflog #logging support interface for PF device pfsync #synchronization interface for PF device carp#Common Address Redundancy Protocol Cheers, Erik ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freebsd-questions] Scanning MP3 files for skips
Chuck Swiger wrote: Kyrre Nygard wrote: I'm curious whether there's a tool out there that will scan through audio files looking for patterns that resemble skips and other nonos in the world of music. I have MD5 checksums for all my MP3 files, but that doesn't guarantee that they were fine before the checksums were generated. Sort of...GraceNote and a few other companies (Shazam, seems to be from India?) sell a service where music files can be fingerprinted and identified. Good audio files ought to ID as what they are; bad music files with skips or garbage will fail to ID. Shazam (at least) works on a fragment the song. In the UK they provide a phone-based service, which only needs 20-30 seconds of clear music to identify a song. MusicBrainz is a similar type of thing that is available as a plugin for a number of media players, which I think works on a whole song, but I don't know that it's precise enough to detect the odd tick and burp. I'm also looking for a blip-detecting MP3 tool. I haven't had time to look at it yet, but I was going to try something like libmad on the assumption that somewhere internally it knows when it's only had half an frame of data, even if there is no CRC. That way, it'll work on any obscure music I have, without relying on some external giant database of correctness. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wikipedia article [completely OT]
Marcus Watts wrote: Masscomp sold a machine like this once. Masscomp did a lot of things. They produced a machine which required an engineer to come out twice a month to shift everything around on the backplane until it worked again; they instituted such user friendly features as a restore command which couldn't restore directories with too many entries; and in the interests of their users made the root directory world writeable so that rm /* by a prankish luser would actually work (luckily they didn't think of rm -r). I once filed something like 30 bug and security reports in one day. I heard nothing until Masscomp were taken over several years later, at which point is was my pleasure to inform the caller that the machine was in the skip. Happy days :-) --Alex ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD firewall, nat, kernel
On 6/13/06, fbsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All 3 FreeBSD 6.1 firewall software products IPF, IPFW, PF and their NAT components all work without having to be compiled into the kernel. To get NAT functionality from IPFW you need to add 'option divert' to your kernel configuration file and recompile. fbsd was half right, it's all in the handbook ;)... There are some additional configuration statements that need to be enabled to activate the NAT function of IPFW. The kernel source needs 'option divert' statement added to the other IPFIREWALL statements compiled into a custom kernel. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls-ipfw.html Read the handbook closer for details on how to activate which ever one you want to use. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FreeBSD firewall, nat, kernel Hi, I've just installed a FBSD 6.1 box and I want to install Firewall and NAT services. The handbook Firewall chapter indicates to compile Firewall if you want NAT. But, I could not find in the GENERIC file the IPFIREWALL options. Do you have an idea ? Thanks, Regi ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -David -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# fortune Happiness is just an illusion, filled with sadness and confusion. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: installing openoffice by package
On Tuesday 13 June 2006 14:13, Peter wrote: Nope, I said that I do not have enough space to build this beast. The thing needs ~9 GB under /usr and I just don't have that. Do you have the space anywhere? You can set WRKDIRPREFIX to have the work directories somewhere else. Lots of us just symlink /usr/ports. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freebsd-questions] Scanning MP3 files for skips
Howard Jones wrote: Chuck Swiger wrote: [ ...ID'ing skips in music... ] Sort of...GraceNote and a few other companies (Shazam, seems to be from India?) sell a service where music files can be fingerprinted and identified. Good audio files ought to ID as what they are; bad music files with skips or garbage will fail to ID. Shazam (at least) works on a fragment the song. In the UK they provide a phone-based service, which only needs 20-30 seconds of clear music to identify a song. Yeah, that's right. But there's also a fingerprinting tool which creates something called QCF files (Qualcom something-or-other) which analyses the entire song and should notice major skips or distortions better. [ ... ] I'm also looking for a blip-detecting MP3 tool. I haven't had time to look at it yet, but I was going to try something like libmad on the assumption that somewhere internally it knows when it's only had half an frame of data, even if there is no CRC. That way, it'll work on any obscure music I have, without relying on some external giant database of correctness. That's the rub of the matter: most home-grown tools are going to find it hard to recognize a skip from Trent Reznor or a lot of rap music, or a dropout with silences common in classic music, etc. :-) With the external giant database of correctness, you've got something which actually can tell that a song isn't correct, rather than making guesses, even if you have to break your samples down into 10 to 30 second pieces and check them all individually. [ Again, I would try using the QCF fingerprinting tool instead of exhaustive submatch checking. On the other hand, if you can manage to put together something which can guess well, I'd be interested in seeing it... ] -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD is #1
--- Beech Rintoul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 12 June 2006 16:06, Danial Thom wrote: --- Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 02:36:24PM -0700, Danial Thom wrote: Freebsd 4.x no doubt :) At this point FreeBSD 6.x has had way more intensive stress testing and QA by the project than 4.x did. It is stable. Kris I'm not saying that its not, only that I know a lot of ISPs and more of them are running 4 than 6. In fact I know exactly 0 running 6. So proclaiming that Freebsd is #1 without qualifying what version they are running doesn't really say anything. While trying to introduce FreeBSD into a Micro$oft only house, I've heard the following many times: Never heard of FreeBSD and Show me some documentation and stats. Regardless of the actual version, the stats are accurate for those providers. They reflect overall uptime and connectivity. This isn't about version, it's about FreeBSD gaining a firmer foothold in a Micro$oft / Linux dominant world. Personally, I'll take all the help I can get. 'nuff said, Beech I couldn't disagree more. OS versions are like wine vintages. You can't proclaim that a '01 vintage of a wine is also great because a '99 got a great review. With FreeBSD, its even a bigger difference. The kernel is being torn apart to accommodate MP, and you have quite a different development team. DragonflyBSD is based on FreeBSD 4.x also, just as the current FreeBSD is based on 4.11, but you have 2 completely different animals in the making. Of couse you can trick stupid managers with such things, if that's your agenda. But you have a different problem in the commercial world. You can put an ad in the paper and get someone who knows how to administer an MS box (maybe competent), but for FreeBSD forget it. You can't staff an IT dept with FreeBSD gurus. And you can't just switch to FreeBSD because 1 guy in the dept happens to have some experience with it, because all of the other guys become dead wood (if they're not that already). Thats the big problem with getting penetration. DT __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD is #1
On Tuesday 13 June 2006 08:53, Nikolas Britton wrote: On 6/12/06, Jim Stapleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heh, FreeBSD is #1 to me because it is the most painless operating system I've ever used... Ignoring the 5.x installer. Never used pre-5.x -Jim What do you mean 5.x? FreeBSD never made 5.x. They went straight from 4 to 6 like everybody else. :-) Netscape 4 = 6 Linux 2.4 = 2.6 FreeBSD 4 = 6 It's a good thing we don't let computers pick version numbers, you might end up with FreeBSD 5.5 +/- sqrt(.36). As much as I hate to continue this off-topic thread, I couldn't help but notice a glaring exclusion in your list: IPv4 = IPv6 JN ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cron job limits
I have a fairly lengthy routine which runs each Sunday morning in a cronjob. For many months now it has never completed, and I have to manually run it from the CLI. (which runs fine). The cronjob runs as root. It isn't failing because of a PATH problem, (it's just /usr/local/bin/analog running in dozens of repetitions) /usr/bin/limits shows most limits as infinity I don't get any email error message .. nothing! it just quits! any ideas? Thanks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cron job limits
Jim Pazarena wrote: I have a fairly lengthy routine which runs each Sunday morning in a cronjob. For many months now it has never completed, and I have to manually run it from the CLI. (which runs fine). The cronjob runs as root. It isn't failing because of a PATH problem, (it's just /usr/local/bin/analog running in dozens of repetitions) /usr/bin/limits shows most limits as infinity I don't get any email error message .. nothing! it just quits! any ideas? Add echo statements to the job, or change it to being a shell script that cron calls, which then runs all of your analog processes there. Make sure that MAILTO is set. If necessary, add a cronjob for /bin/false to check. :-) -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
please help
Hi I have worked with you before I am asking for freebies for my Linux Group which is Suncoast Linux Users Group we are in need ot some freebies bad we have none at all so can you please send me xxlarge teeshirts,xxxlarge teeshirts, books stuffed animals, hats, box full version so I can raffle them and what ever else you can think of. Thanks for your help again. Diana Lenko Suncoast Linux User Group 10108 East columbus dr tampa florida 33619 813-621-5547 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: please help
Diana Lenko wrote: Hi I have worked with you before I am asking for freebies for my Linux Group which is Suncoast Linux Users Group we are in need ot some freebies bad we have none at all so can you please send me xxlarge teeshirts,xxxlarge teeshirts, books stuffed animals, hats, box full version so I can raffle them and what ever else you can think of. Thanks for your help again. Diana Lenko Suncoast Linux User Group 10108 East columbus dr tampa florida 33619 813-621-5547 ___ we will send you every single piece of Linux related stuff we have...standby! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: please help
Hi I have worked with you before I am asking for freebies for my Linux Group which is Suncoast Linux Users Group we are in need ot some freebies bad we have none at all so can you please send me xxlarge teeshirts,xxxlarge teeshirts, books stuffed animals, hats, box full version so I can raffle them and what ever else you can think of. Thanks for your help again. Of course, the obvious question is: 'why would you be asking the FreeBSD group for LINUX freebies? unless, of course, you really mean FreeBSD freebies and it is to introduce the poor LUNIX folk to something better. In that case a freely downloadable installation image ISO of the FreeBSD OS is available from: ftp.freebsd.org There are also goddies featuring FreeBSD artwork available at Bsdmall: http://www.bsdmall.com/ FreeBSDmall: http://www.freebsdmall.com/ They also sell premade CD and DVD sets in case you cannot burn you own as well as good books on the FreeBSD system. Then there is: http://www.freebsd.org/art.html which has a bunch of FreeBSD related artwork you can acquire. jerry Diana Lenko Suncoast Linux User Group 10108 East columbus dr tampa florida 33619 813-621-5547 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
rc.d script for gvinum?
I put start_vinum=YES start_gvinum=YES in /etc/rc.conf, per the handbook, and it doesn't appear that there are any startup files for it, which means my filesystems won't boot. Is there any code I can download to do this, or must I write it myself? TIA -- Scientia Est Potentia -- Eppur Si Muove Security guru for rent or hire - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wikipedia article
On Tuesday 13 June 2006 14:23, Rick Kelly wrote: Johnny Billquist said: There's actually a cheesy way to do demand paging with microprocessors that don't support demand paging (such as the original 68000--another 16 bit machine). The way to do this is to run two processors in parallel but skewed by one instruction. If the first one does a bad memory fetch, then the second one will not have fetched the instruction causing the fault so contains restartable machine state. Masscomp sold a machine like this once. Didn't the first Apollos do this? And also the Sun 1. IIRC it was simpler than that. When the first cpu caused a 'miss' it was put in wait and cpu 2 handled the pagein and then released cpu 1. Keeping the two cpus synched, one instruction apart would have been too complicated if not impossible... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
shebang line parsing changed in FreeBSD6
Can someone explain to me why parsing of the shebang line changed? ...for the worse in my opinion. I want to do this in FreeBSD6: #!/usr/bin/env python -u I can't do this because the shebang is evaluated as /usr/bin/env 'python -u' which causes an error. So I read the man page for env and find this: Note that the way the kernel parses the `#!' (first line) of an interpreted script has changed as of FreeBSD 6.0..., the first line should be changed to: #!/usr/bin/env -S /usr/local/bin/php -n -q -dsafe_mode=0 I changed my shebang line by adding -S and it works fine in FreeBSD6 but is not as portable. The -S option for env is new for FreeBSD6. This means my code is now not portable between FreeBSD6 and other operating systems including FreeBSD5. I stay with FreeBSD because I like the direction, practicality, and the people. Changes are usually made for the better but in this case I am left with one question. Why? -alfred ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cron job limits
Is your shell different from the account running the cron job? Is there any other jobs that might kill this cron job? Add echo statements to your script and save a log file. Be sure to redirect stderr as well as stdout to the log file. -Derek At 10:34 AM 6/13/2006, Jim Pazarena wrote: I have a fairly lengthy routine which runs each Sunday morning in a cronjob. For many months now it has never completed, and I have to manually run it from the CLI. (which runs fine). The cronjob runs as root. It isn't failing because of a PATH problem, (it's just /usr/local/bin/analog running in dozens of repetitions) /usr/bin/limits shows most limits as infinity I don't get any email error message .. nothing! it just quits! any ideas? Thanks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rc.d script for gvinum?
On Tue, Jun 13, 2006 at 09:31:22AM -0500, Travis H. wrote: I put start_vinum=YES start_gvinum=YES in /etc/rc.conf, per the handbook, and it doesn't appear that there are any startup files for it, which means my filesystems won't boot. Is there any code I can download to do this, or must I write it myself? Put this line in /boot/loader.conf and you should be good. I doubt the rc.conf stuff you mention does anything beyond what this does: geom_vinum_load=YES -- David Kelly N4HHE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Error in logs
This morning my kernel.log is full of the following messages (about 300 of them) kernel: pid 44 (softdepflush), uid 0 inumber 9114634 on /var: bad block kernel: bad block 3478527437627865156, ino 9114634 This looks like a hardware issue to me but I'd like a second opinion. -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printers on /dev/ulpt*
Frans-Jan v. Steenbeek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Recently I have installed a printserver at my work to make use of all those USB-printers in our network. Everything is running fine, thank you :) The printers are turned off every night, and they get there /dev-entry when turned on again, as expected. Cups is serving them on the network, so Cups looks for the appropriate /dev/ulpt*. I have had to teach my colleagues to turn the printers on in the right order. When they are switched on in a different order, the wrong printer gets /dev/ulpt0, another wrong printer gets /dev/ulpt1 etc. Is there a way to get around this? Can I assign a /dev/ulpt*-entry to a certain device, even when it is off? Or is there another workaround (in Cups perhaps)? You should be able to do something with usbd.conf(5). Maybe the easy way would be to link a nickname node to the real node for a particular product/vendor ID. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Error in logs
On 6/13/06, Josh Paetzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This morning my kernel.log is full of the following messages (about 300 of them) kernel: pid 44 (softdepflush), uid 0 inumber 9114634 on /var: bad block kernel: bad block 3478527437627865156, ino 9114634 This looks like a hardware issue to me but I'd like a second opinion. looks like you may have a bad disk there. i'd backup ASAP and try fsck'ing your drive. if that fails maybe it's time for a new drive. -pete -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ~~o0OO0o~~ Pete Wright www.nycbug.org NYC's *BSD User Group ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Promotional Info
To whom it may concern, My name is Greg Warner and I work as a tech specialist for a public school district in Arkansas. I am interested in using FreeBSD as an operating system for our servers. Would it be possible for you to send me some promotional stickers featuring the FreeBSD logo which I could use to promote the use of FreeBSD in our district? If you could send us a few free stickers we would very much appreciate it. Here is our mailing address: Sheridan Freshman Academy Attn: Greg Warner 510 West Church Sheridan, AR 72150 Thank you very much for considering my request and I look forward to your response. Sincerely, Greg Warner Sheridan School District ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Error in logs
You might want to get the diagnostic utility from the hard drive maker and use that to check the health of the drive. -Derek At 12:00 PM 6/13/2006, pete wright wrote: On 6/13/06, Josh Paetzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This morning my kernel.log is full of the following messages (about 300 of them) kernel: pid 44 (softdepflush), uid 0 inumber 9114634 on /var: bad block kernel: bad block 3478527437627865156, ino 9114634 This looks like a hardware issue to me but I'd like a second opinion. looks like you may have a bad disk there. i'd backup ASAP and try fsck'ing your drive. if that fails maybe it's time for a new drive. -pete -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ~~o0OO0o~~ Pete Wright www.nycbug.org NYC's *BSD User Group ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FreeBSD 6.1 boot loader missing
I installed FreeBSD 6.1 on 2 different HD's 3.5 GB. When the reboot is supposed to happen the Boot loader doesnot come up. Is there a way to fix this from a single user prompt or any other way? I have never had this happen to FreeBSD and I have been installing it on many boxes since version 3.4. This box is for a firewall on a small office lan with only a minimal FreeBSD 6.1 installed to run the firewall. It is an HP box Vectra 486/66. I have looked at several how to's in my FreeBSD reference books, but most say put a dos partition on the drive as maybe the bios need to see the parameters more clearly. Any Ideas besides that? I do have a box that cant run above FreeBSD 4.11 as a print server in an installation. But FreeBSD 5* would not install on it at all. This installs but won't boot. Al Plant -- Webmaster- http://hawaiidakine.com Admin- http://freebsdinfo.org -- Supporting Open Source Computing - - FreeBSD 6.* -- Debian Linux 3* All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carroll ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Freebsd-Devel
I understand that. If you have the time, ability, and willingness to do actually do the work, then you'll be doing a lot of people a big service. But don't kid yourself, it will take a lot of work. It isn't something that you're going to write in an afternoon. It will take months to do a decent job. Months of work. Months of people saying that whatever you're doing, you are certainly doing it wrong. Months of people who are doing things that you personally do not need, and who you will eventually hate because they keep asking for features that you personally don't want (or need) to write. Sadly, the willingness is the only one of the three I have. Thanks -Jim ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rc.d script for gvinum?
I also put these in /etc/loader.conf: vinum.autostart=YES gvinum.autostart=YES Per the handbook. Neither seems to work. Now I can't seem to get the disks started, and /dev/gvinum doesn't exist, so I can't access my data. Can someone lend me a hand here? The state of [g]vinum is completely screwed. While I won't say that this shouldn't be shipped or documented (partially working is better than not working, partly correct documentation is better than none), I will say that you should warn people who intend to use it that it is extremely beta at the moment, and has had open PRs since early 2003. -- Scientia Est Potentia -- Eppur Si Muove Security guru for rent or hire - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Promotional Info
These are for sale at the FreeBSD mall website: http://www.freebsdmall.com/cgi-bin/fm/search?id=tewasMttmv_pc=6 At 12:07 PM 6/13/2006, Gregory Warner wrote: To whom it may concern, My name is Greg Warner and I work as a tech specialist for a public school district in Arkansas. I am interested in using FreeBSD as an operating system for our servers. Would it be possible for you to send me some promotional stickers featuring the FreeBSD logo which I could use to promote the use of FreeBSD in our district? If you could send us a few free stickers we would very much appreciate it. Here is our mailing address: Sheridan Freshman Academy Attn: Greg Warner 510 West Church Sheridan, AR 72150 Thank you very much for considering my request and I look forward to your response. Sincerely, Greg Warner Sheridan School District ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Python port problems
On May 23, 2006, at 12:42 PM, Alex Zbyslaw wrote: Lowell Gilbert wrote: Joe Auty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: $ python -c 'import sys; print sys.path' ['', '/usr/local/lib/python24.zip', '/usr/local/lib/python2.4', '/ usr/ local/lib/python2.4/plat-freebsd5', '/usr/local/lib/ python2.4/lib- tk', '/usr/local/lib/python2.4/lib-dynload', '/usr/ local/lib/ python2.4/site-packages'] I don't have a /usr/local/bin/python in there. Is that my problem? That's where the ports would install it, so that does sound like a problem. Look at which python and pkg_info|grep python. The executable /usr/local/bin/python has no business being in the path for *modules*. This is not your problem. I have never used mailman so do not know how it picks up its modules. It *might* install them into one of these directories on the module patch, but more likely it just pushes its own directory of modules onto this path when it runs, in which case the output you have won't help. Have you tried simply re-installing mailman? Maybe you upgraded python at some point after installing mailman and that is throwing something. Sorry for the delay in response here. This is still a problem for me, and I would still like this problem resolved. Yes, I've tried reinstalling both Python and Mailman, and upgraded to newer port revisions of Mailman which have been released since this message. I'm still getting the same error message when I go to start Mailman via its rc script: ... snip Traceback (most recent call last): : : No module named getopt File /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner, line 76, in ? ImportErrorimport getopt No module named getopt: No module named getopt ImportErrorCould not find platform independent libraries prefix Could not find platform dependent libraries exec_prefix Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to prefix[:exec_prefix] 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback : No module named getopt Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner, line 76, in ? import getopt ImportError: No module named getopt Any ideas here? --- Joe Auty NetMusician: web publishing software for musicians http://www.netmusician.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Perl in 6.1
I've just installed a fresh 6.1 system and I noted perl wasn't included in the core build. I also see it mentioned in the ObsoleteFiles area in /usr/src. Where is the announcement about perl being removed, etc. What's the scoop. Thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rc.d script for gvinum?
On 6/13/06, Peter A. Giessel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: #1) Do NOT attempt to use both vinum and gvinum at the same time. They conflict with each other. vinum doesn't exist in my fbsd distro. #2) You don't say which version of FreeBSD you are using. (It matters for which one [vinum/gvinum] you should/can use) 6.0 #3) Did you follow David Kelly's advice? Yes, no luck. Apparently my volumes and plexes don't have component sub-objects, and attach isn't a valid command in gvinum, even though it's in the help file. If I can specify them in some kind of config file, (I'm using gvinum create /etc/gvinum.conf) then I no longer know the syntax. -- Every once in a while you run out of ideas; just keep going. Security guru for rent or hire - http://www.lightconsulting.com/~travis/ -- GPG fingerprint: 9D3F 395A DAC5 5CCC 9066 151D 0A6B 4098 0C55 1484 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Perl in 6.1
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've just installed a fresh 6.1 system and I noted perl wasn't included in the core build. I also see it mentioned in the ObsoleteFiles area in /usr/src. Where is the announcement about perl being removed, etc. What's the scoop. It was in the release announcement when 5.0 was released. Perl hasn't been in the base system since 2003. Just install it from the ports or packages, as the installation program would have done for you if you had installed a port that needed it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Perl in 6.1
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've just installed a fresh 6.1 system and I noted perl wasn't included in the core build. I also see it mentioned in the ObsoleteFiles area in /usr/src. Where is the announcement about perl being removed, etc. What's the scoop. It was in the release announcement when 5.0 was released. Perl hasn't been in the base system since 2003. Just install it from the ports or packages, as the installation program would have done for you if you had installed a port that needed it. Okay, thanks. I recall there being a bit of perl code in the system build, so they would have had to rewrite all that in shell. Thanks again, Forrest ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Perl in 6.1
On Tue, Jun 13, 2006 at 04:05:03PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just installed a fresh 6.1 system and I noted perl wasn't included in the core build. I also see it mentioned in the ObsoleteFiles area in /usr/src. Where is the announcement about perl being removed, etc. What's the scoop. Perl was removed from 5-CURRENT back in 2002 and so has not been included in any of the 5.x or 6.x releases. You can find a note about it in the release notes for 5.0-RELEASE. -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Promotional Info
On Tuesday 13 June 2006 09:07, Gregory Warner wrote: To whom it may concern, My name is Greg Warner and I work as a tech specialist for a public school district in Arkansas. I am interested in using FreeBSD as an operating system for our servers. Would it be possible for you to send me some promotional stickers featuring the FreeBSD logo which I could use to promote the use of FreeBSD in our district? If you could send us a few free stickers we would very much appreciate it. Here is our mailing address: Sheridan Freshman Academy Attn: Greg Warner 510 West Church Sheridan, AR 72150 Thank you very much for considering my request and I look forward to your response. Sincerely, Greg Warner Sheridan School District The artwork is available here: http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html Beech -- --- Beech Rintoul - Sys. Administrator - [EMAIL PROTECTED] /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Alaska Paradise \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | 201 East 9Th Avenue Ste.310 X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Anchorage, AK 99501 / \ - Please visit Alaska Paradise - http://www.alaskaparadise.com --- pgpUdJzvAMHA0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Question on 5.5-RELEASE Open Issues
Hi, I'm being forced to upgrade from 5.3 to 5.4+ on a server. Unfortunately, its an incredibly important server so I can't muck around with it much. I'm looking to go to 5.5 to get a jump, but I see in http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.5R/errata.html there is an issue talking about NFSv4 client. This server is a critical NFS server to other 5.3 and 5.4 servers. I was wondering if it was truely limited to 5.5 as a client. Is anyone running NFS server on 5.5-RELEASE? Is this something I'll have to worry about turning around and biting me? Thanks, Tuc ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question on 5.5-RELEASE Open Issues
Scott Tuc Ellentuch at T-B-O-H wrote: I'm being forced to upgrade from 5.3 to 5.4+ on a server. Unfortunately, its an incredibly important server so I can't muck around with it much. I'm looking to go to 5.5 to get a jump, but I see in http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.5R/errata.html there is an issue talking about NFSv4 client. This server is a critical NFS server to other 5.3 and 5.4 servers. I was wondering if it was truely limited to 5.5 as a client. Is anyone running NFS server on 5.5-RELEASE? Is this something I'll have to worry about turning around and biting me? There is no problem. The v4 refers to the version of the protocol not the version of the client or server. AFAIK there is both nfs v3 and v4 client, but no nfs v4 server in the base system. The nfs v4 server is in development and I think code can be downloaded if you want to experiment. But what you have been using so far is most likely v3 for both server and client. Cheers, Erik -- Ph: +34.666334818 web: http://www.locolomo.org X.509 Certificate: http://www.locolomo.org/crt/8D03551FFCE04F0C.crt Key ID: 69:79:B8:2C:E3:8F:E7:BE:5D:C3:C3:B1:74:62:B8:3F:9F:1F:69:B9 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
wikipedia article
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Re: Question on 5.5-RELEASE Open Issues
Scott Tuc Ellentuch at T-B-O-H wrote: I'm being forced to upgrade from 5.3 to 5.4+ on a server. Unfortunately, its an incredibly important server so I can't muck around with it much. I'm looking to go to 5.5 to get a jump, but I see in http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.5R/errata.html there is an issue talking about NFSv4 client. This server is a critical NFS server to other 5.3 and 5.4 servers. I was wondering if it was truely limited to 5.5 as a client. Is anyone running NFS server on 5.5-RELEASE? Is this something I'll have to worry about turning around and biting me? There is no problem. The v4 refers to the version of the protocol not the version of the client or server. SMACKS HEADDoh!/SMACKS HEAD I totally zoned out about the version. I was off in network land thinking IPv4 and IPv6. AFAIK there is both nfs v3 and v4 client, but no nfs v4 server in the base system. The nfs v4 server is in development and I think code can be downloaded if you want to experiment. But what you have been using so far is most likely v3 for both server and client. No, your totally right. I'll go back to lurking in the corner. Thanks, Tuc ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wikipedia article
Per Fogelström wrote: On Tuesday 13 June 2006 14:23, Rick Kelly wrote: Johnny Billquist said: There's actually a cheesy way to do demand paging with microprocessors that don't support demand paging (such as the original 68000--another 16 bit machine). The way to do this is to run two processors in parallel but skewed by one instruction. If the first one does a bad memory fetch, then the second one will not have fetched the instruction causing the fault so contains restartable machine state. Masscomp sold a machine like this once. Didn't the first Apollos do this? And also the Sun 1. IIRC it was simpler than that. When the first cpu caused a 'miss' it was put in wait and cpu 2 handled the pagein and then released cpu 1. Keeping the two cpus synched, one instruction apart would have been too complicated if not impossible... Your idea will not work, as far as I can tell. If the first CPU instruction execution causes a miss, the end result in the CPU will be pretty undefined, and you cannot restart. That's the whole point in why you'd have a second CPU shadowing the first one. So that you'd be able to restore the state as it were before the illegal memory access. And that was the problem with the original 68000. On an illegal memory reference, you would not know what state the CPU was in before the instruction, so you could not back it up, and re-execute the instruction after a page fault. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip - B. Idol ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Python port problems
On 13/06/06 Joe Auty said: Sorry for the delay in response here. This is still a problem for me, and I would still like this problem resolved. Yes, I've tried reinstalling both Python and Mailman, and upgraded to newer port revisions of Mailman which have been released since this message. I'm still getting the same error message when I go to start Mailman via its rc script: What order did you install them in? Mailman has some compiled C code for security and performance reasons. Your Python install needs to be stable when Mailman builds against it. Mike -- Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. --Albert Einstein pgpmBk3l2Aaxd.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: wikipedia article
Various wrote: Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:50:53 +0200 From: Johnny Billquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Update Computer Club User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Per_Fogelstr=F6m?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Marcus Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED], Otto Moerbeek [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Nemeth [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ted Unangst [EMAIL PROTECTED], =?ISO-8859-1?Q?H=E1morszky_Bal=E1zs?= [EMAIL PROTECTED], misc@openbsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: wikipedia article Per Fogelstr=F6m wrote: On Tuesday 13 June 2006 14:23, Rick Kelly wrote: =20 Johnny Billquist said: There's actually a cheesy way to do demand paging with microprocessor= s that don't support demand paging (such as the original 68000--another 16 bit machine). The way to do this is to run two processors in parallel but skewed by one instruction. If the first one does a bad memory fetch, then the second one will not have fetched the instructi= on causing the fault so contains restartable machine state. Masscomp so= ld a machine like this once. Didn't the first Apollos do this? And also the Sun 1. =20 =20 IIRC it was simpler than that. When the first cpu caused a 'miss' it wa= s put in wait and cpu 2 handled the pagein and then released cpu 1. Keeping t= he two cpus synched, one instruction apart would have been too complicated if = not impossible... Your idea will not work, as far as I can tell. If the first CPU instruction execution causes a miss, the end result in=20 the CPU will be pretty undefined, and you cannot restart. That's the=20 whole point in why you'd have a second CPU shadowing the first one. So=20 that you'd be able to restore the state as it were before the illegal=20 memory access. And that was the problem with the original 68000. On an illegal memory=20 reference, you would not know what state the CPU was in before the=20 instruction, so you could not back it up, and re-execute the instruction=20 after a page fault. Johnny Several clarifications. The sun-1 did not have a dual CPU page fault arrangement. It used a slightly higher clock speed version of the same CPU board used previously used by codata 4 other vendors, originally designed by stanford university. Instead of using the motorola MMU which was late to market, expensive, slow, or industry standard MMU cache logic (TLB), they used a very clever generic chip implementation that used the CPU alternate space instructions to manage dedicated high speed RAM which provided all the mapping. This managed a page addressed space, but did NOT do demand paging. Another exciting low-cost feature of the sun-1 CPU was software dynamic ram refresh- every 2 ms, the CPU was interrupted by the refresh interrupt and would execute 127 nop instructions. The sun-2 was very similiar to the sun-1, but upgraded the 68000 to a 68010 (which could do instruction restarts and hence demand paging), deleted the onboard RAM, and instead added the ability to use DMA via an IOMMU to private bus RAM. The sun-1 ran unisoft version 7 unix, complete with swapping. The sun-2 ran 4.2bsd. I've got an actual physical codata processor manual (complete with schematics) but I believe I've seen a sun-1 processor manual in pdf somewhere on the web recently. I'm not 100% sure how masscomp or apollo handled page faults. The impression I had is that the first CPU got reset, and the second was interrupted on the instruction boundary and saved its CPU state first thing in the interrupt handler. While the user register state in the first is undefined, the CPU itself is still good - it can take an interrupt, transition into kernel mode and recover machine state from somewhere else (like the 2nd CPU) just fine. That seems to me to be the most sane way it could have been handled. I suppose it's possible the 2nd CPU could have been instead paused, while the first CPU processed the segmentation violation, trashed its non-recoverable machine state, handled the exception, and ?somehow? reloaded machine state from the 2nd paused CPU. Switching to a different process while the 2nd CPU was paused waiting for a page to come in off disk might have been a bit awkward. So while I think this might have been made to work, I doubt it could have performed as well. So far as the 2 cpu synchronization logic goes - either of these would have required such a beast. The 68000 used address spaces to distinguish between instruction and data references, so instruction synchronization was no problem. It might have been necessary to decode instructions to sort out operands other instruction stream references, including logic to sort out page faults in the middle of an
Re: Python port problems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 13, 2006, at 7:51 PM, Michael P. Soulier wrote: On 13/06/06 Joe Auty said: Sorry for the delay in response here. This is still a problem for me, and I would still like this problem resolved. Yes, I've tried reinstalling both Python and Mailman, and upgraded to newer port revisions of Mailman which have been released since this message. I'm still getting the same error message when I go to start Mailman via its rc script: What order did you install them in? Mailman has some compiled C code for security and performance reasons. Your Python install needs to be stable when Mailman builds against it. I just tried a portupgrade -f python, and then a portupgrade -f mailman, and I have the same problem... Unfortunately, I'm kind of flying blind here since I don't really know how to troubleshoot this particular problem =( Hope you can help! - --- Joe Auty NetMusician: web publishing software for musicians http://www.netmusician.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQFEj2dkCgdfeCwsL5ERAt0yAJ0SnNK9QjQCUG4DSEpwSY2b8oEL/gCfU3hu Fzi4bT+oNh09Ud7n4gObvck= =m4YC -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PRoblem with an adaptec 1210sa raid
Hi: im trying to isntall FreeBSD on my sata controller (raid0), i install freebsd on ar0, but i cant boot. I got Not UFS, and i dont know how to change make it works, can somebodie helps me? Asus A7n8x-E Adaptec 1210AS SATA controler AMD Athlon XP 2600+ 2x Seagate 380012AS 80GB -- mmm, interesante. -- mmm, interesante. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading Ports on 5.3
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006, Ron wrote: Is there a way to use the current ports system if I am still running 5.3? That's the only way. I really need to update subversion, mysql, plus make sure I'm running the latest versions of other software, but since 5.4 came out (and now 5.5 and 6.0), I am no longer been able to get new ports. If change my cvs-supfile to be: -- *default tag=RELENG_5_4 I second what Bill Moran said: tag=. for ports. I keep two separate supfiles - one for the system, another for ports. (I'm also running 5.4 on this machine.) I'll send them to you off-list if you want. If you still have the original ports tree from when you installed 5.4, it's kind of long in the tooth by now and there may initially be a certain amount of dependency hell, but I'd bite the bullet and do it anyway when you have a free Saturday; it will fix a lot of problems, and will be less trouble down the road. If someone can point me to some specific information that will help, I would be very appreciative. What I usually do is # cvsup -g /etc/cvsupfile.ports - my ports supfile with tag=. # pkgdb -aF - may throw a lot of errors, esp. - if you have an old ports tree. - Fix manually if needed! # cd /usr/ports # portsdb -u # portsclean -C # pkgdb -u # portversion -v | grep needs - see what needs to be upgraded ...and then # portupgrade -Rr whatever port I want to upgrade or if I really have a lot of time, # portupgrade -aRr ...which will upgrade everything, but may take many hours even on a fast machine. HTH. -- Chris Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** [ Busy Expunging | ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FreeBSD users of Thailand
To whom it may concern : We, among the few advanced FreeBSD users of Thailand, have been using FreeBSD, Desktop mode (with the emphasis on Desktop) for quite sometime. As you may know copyright infringement is a concern in countries like Thailand. In order to avoid such problems, we think using FreeBSD will help. Seeing that the latest FreeBSD version, running in desktop mode is quite stable, a few users myself included, have been using it in the office. We would like to expand our user base in Thailand. Particular problems popped up among the newbies when they start to install, ie, unsucessful installation due to incomplete software in the CD disk (cd error) or an error during port installation (can't find dependency files). In addition, due to the majority of users still using low speed modem, this has created a significant hinderance and discouragement when errors occured due to failure to find dependency files (not FreeBSD's fault though). The other problem is the language problem, since we are not an english speaking country, a lot of users have problems with the manual. As a result, we would like to create a setup FreeBSD CD for desktop users similar to those done in with PC-BSD or DragonFly disks. In addition we will try to add thai language instructions in this special distribution. Since we have never taken on this kind of task before, we would like to ask if any party in charge from FreeBSD organization or anyone else has any suggestion regarding a setup disk similar to the above mentioned distros. So we can begin by distributing to the new users in Thailand for now. We hope that they learn to use this easy-use limited version, and with more experience they will grow to use a full FreeBSD user later on. The plan is to include in the CD only OS the basic application software deemed necessary ( such as apache, php etc.) for starters so they can be up and running FreeBSD. If there are any step-by-step instructions or person from whom we can get some help, we would be grateful. Attached are our captured screens showing what we have been using and doing. There is an on going project, trying to translate the FreeBSD handbook into thai (http://www.thai-aec.org/misc/handbook/index.html) Although it is a long way to completion. We hope this is compatible with FreeBSD distribution policies. Again, thanks for any advice and information. Regards Mr. Prasert Tuntiwaraporn Bangkok, Thailand 10500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: FreeBSD users of Thailand
คุณประเสริฐ ดีมากครับ ตอบช้าไปหน่อย ว่า ให้ เอา page ที่โชว์ เอาขึ้น เวป แต่ก็ไม่เป็นไรหรอก ต่อไปนี้ ก็รอ คำตอบ สมนึก - Original Message - From: FreeDesktop FreeBSD To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Cc: doi maesalong ; Pirat SRIYOTHA Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 8:52 PM Subject: FreeBSD users of Thailand To whom it may concern : We, among the few advanced FreeBSD users of Thailand, have been using FreeBSD, Desktop mode (with the emphasis on Desktop) for quite sometime. As you may know copyright infringement is a concern in countries like Thailand. In order to avoid such problems, we think using FreeBSD will help. Seeing that the latest FreeBSD version, running in desktop mode is quite stable, a few users myself included, have been using it in the office. We would like to expand our user base in Thailand. Particular problems popped up among the newbies when they start to install, ie, unsucessful installation due to incomplete software in the CD disk (cd error) or an error during port installation (can't find dependency files). In addition, due to the majority of users still using low speed modem, this has created a significant hinderance and discouragement when errors occured due to failure to find dependency files (not FreeBSD's fault though). The other problem is the language problem, since we are not an english speaking country, a lot of users have problems with the manual. As a result, we would like to create a setup FreeBSD CD for desktop users similar to those done in with PC-BSD or DragonFly disks. In addition we will try to add thai language instructions in this special distribution. Since we have never taken on this kind of task before, we would like to ask if any party in charge from FreeBSD organization or anyone else has any suggestion regarding a setup disk similar to the above mentioned distros. So we can begin by distributing to the new users in Thailand for now. We hope that they learn to use this easy-use limited version, and with more experience they will grow to use a full FreeBSD user later on. The plan is to include in the CD only OS the basic application software deemed necessary ( such as apache, php etc.) for starters so they can be up and running FreeBSD. If there are any step-by-step instructions or person from whom we can get some help, we would be grateful. Attached are our captured screens showing what we have been using and doing. There is an on going project, trying to translate the FreeBSD handbook into thai ( http://www.thai-aec.org/misc/handbook/index.html) Although it is a long way to completion. We hope this is compatible with FreeBSD distribution policies. Again, thanks for any advice and information. Regards Mr. Prasert Tuntiwaraporn Bangkok, Thailand 10500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/362 - Release Date: 6/12/2006 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: installing openoffice by package
On 6/13/06, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope, I said that I do not have enough space to build this beast. The thing needs ~9 GB under /usr and I just don't have that. du -h reports my work directory for OOo2 is only 6 GB. If you install and clean up the dependencies and distfiles before trying OOo install I'm sure you could make it go with ~7GB. I'd let you download the OOo2.0.3rc5 packages I just made but your not running FreeBSD 6.1, you'd also need a Athlon based CPU too. Oh and after I fix the bison build dependency the OOo build worked without fail, well building the packages failed when it could not find linux-sun-jdk1.4.2 but I fixed that. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: installing openoffice by package
Nikolas Britton writes: Nope, I said that I do not have enough space to build this beast. The thing needs ~9 GB under /usr and I just don't have that. du -h reports my work directory for OOo2 is only 6 GB. If you install and clean up the dependencies and distfiles before trying OOo install I'm sure you could make it go with ~7GB. 6 GB sounds about right; I think I've done it with less (maybe as little as the high 4s) but have no formal data with which to back that up. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD firewall, nat, kernel
From a fresh install, a working nat should only require a few commands. Kernel compilation is not necessary. kldload ipfw kldload ipdivert sysctl net.inet.ip.forwarding=1 dhclient xl0 natd -dynamic -n xl0 ipfw add divert natd ip from any to any via xl0 ipfw add allow ip from any to any ifconfig rl0 192.168.100.253/24 To make the config permanent, you just need to use the rc equivalents of those commands. /etc/rc.conf firewall_enable=yes firewall_type=/etc/ipfw.rules gateway_enable=yes ifconfig_xl0=dhcp ifconfig_rl0=192.168.100.253/24 natd_enable=yes natd_interface=xl0 /etc/ipfw.rules add divert natd ip from any to any via xl0 add allow ip from any to any ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD firewall, nat, kernel
On 6/14/06, Dennis Olvany [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a fresh install, a working nat should only require a few commands. Kernel compilation is not necessary. I personally don't use the NAT function in my IPFW config, and thus just reverted to the handbook,,,*cough*, excuse me...bible for the information. Though, if this is the case you should probably submit a PR to the docs team to avoid future confusion. :) kldload ipfw kldload ipdivert sysctl net.inet.ip.forwarding=1 dhclient xl0 natd -dynamic -n xl0 ipfw add divert natd ip from any to any via xl0 ipfw add allow ip from any to any ifconfig rl0 192.168.100.253/24 To make the config permanent, you just need to use the rc equivalents of those commands. /etc/rc.conf firewall_enable=yes firewall_type=/etc/ipfw.rules gateway_enable=yes ifconfig_xl0=dhcp ifconfig_rl0=192.168.100.253/24 natd_enable=yes natd_interface=xl0 /etc/ipfw.rules add divert natd ip from any to any via xl0 add allow ip from any to any ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -David -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# fortune Happiness is just an illusion, filled with sadness and confusion. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Trying to revive a server... AIC-7896 freezes pre-POST completion
Hello again all, I know this isn't a FreeBSD question really, but I just started up a motherboard with onboard SCSI (Adaptec AIC-7896), and for some odd reason it freezes pre-POST before it attempts to boot and there isn't any way where I can get into the BIOS to change the settings it seems. Does anyone know how I can maybe disable the onboard SCSI controller since it appears to hang while detecting disks? Thanks a million! -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
