How to have two active network interfaces on a laptop
I'm wondering how I should handle my laptops network interfaces. I'm often forced to wait for bsdstats, ntpd and sshd to time out if I'm not connected. Even if I am connected on one interface the default gateway is assigned to the interface that is not connected. I've found some information about profile.sh but it was unclear if this is still implemented in Freebsd. How do I go about solving this? Thanks /Leslie ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Multiple instances of MySQL
On Thursday 09 April 2009 21:43:36 Brent Bloxam wrote: Mel Flynn wrote: Any reason a jail can't be used? This would allow sharing the binary using null or union fs, little overhead, yet seperated from host install and no maintenance of port installed files, like rc.d/mysql-server. Unionfs, unix sockets and flush operations don't like each other from what I know, so make sure your database directory and socket aren't going to be located on a unionfs mount and you should be okay. Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I definitely haven't been able to get MySQL to play nice with unionfs Haven't tried. It makes no sense to me to union/null fs /var and /tmp. Just /usr/local to share binaries or /usr in case you also want to share OS binaries, but for a dedicated jail, the gain of that is minimal (OS upgrade doesn't require an extra installworld with jail DESTDIR, but mergemaster still needs to be done and requires most operator attention). -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: (OT) good laptop hardware repair group or forum
2009/4/12 Chris Whitehouse cwhi...@onetel.com: Hi all very sorry for this OT post, does anyone know of a good usenet or other forum to ask about laptop hardware repair? My quite expensive and now out-of-warranty HP laptop has suddenly become very dead and I'm in shock :(( Thanks Chris Tried the HP fora? Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: (OT) good laptop hardware repair group or forum
Hi, Chris On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Chris Whitehouse cwhi...@onetel.com wrote: Hi all very sorry for this OT post, does anyone know of a good usenet or other forum to ask about laptop hardware repair? My quite expensive and now out-of-warranty HP laptop has suddenly become very dead and I'm in shock :(( Even though it's (OT), maybe some of us could be able to help. What's the problem? -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Cant get Java working with FireFox
im running FreeBSD7.1-STABLE portupgrade//world//kernel done today an still even from following a few howto's on the BSD site i cant get java to work or show up in the plugins .. anyone got any ideas on whats going on and/or how to fix this annoying problem ? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cant get Java working with FireFox
Warren Liddell wrote: im running FreeBSD7.1-STABLE portupgrade//world//kernel done today an still even from following a few howto's on the BSD site i cant get java to work or show up in the plugins .. anyone got any ideas on whats going on and/or how to fix this annoying problem ? Assuming you got the diablo-jdk or diablo-jre package installed, try creating a symbolic link of libjavaplugin_oji.so to /usr/local/lib/firefox3/plugins On my system that would be in /usr/local/diablo-jdk1.6.0/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so for just the jre it would probably be in /usr/local/diablo-jre1.6.0/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: (OT) good laptop hardware repair group or forum
Chris Rees wrote: 2009/4/12 Chris Whitehouse cwhi...@onetel.com: Hi all very sorry for this OT post, does anyone know of a good usenet or other forum to ask about laptop hardware repair? My quite expensive and now out-of-warranty HP laptop has suddenly become very dead and I'm in shock :(( Thanks Chris Tried the HP fora? Chris Thanks, good idea. See, can't think when panicking ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: (OT) good laptop hardware repair group or forum
Glen Barber wrote: Hi, Chris On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Chris Whitehouse cwhi...@onetel.com wrote: Hi all very sorry for this OT post, does anyone know of a good usenet or other forum to ask about laptop hardware repair? My quite expensive and now out-of-warranty HP laptop has suddenly become very dead and I'm in shock :(( Even though it's (OT), maybe some of us could be able to help. What's the problem? I will try the HP support forums as suggested but... It's a nc6320 (RH383ET#ABU) and was in good condition not too much used and has never given trouble. It was booting, with mains and battery plugged in, when it suddenly and instantaneously lost power. Now it is completely dead, no LEDS. It made a couple of clicks as it died, one of which might have been the hard disk head parking. The power supply is showing what looks like the right voltage. The battery has 6 connectors, I tested between all combinations of pairs but all were zero voltage. I also tested between all pairs of battery connector pins in the back of the laptop with the power plugged in, also zero voltage. I am suspicious of the battery showing zero, I think it might need wake up power from the laptop. Does anyone know if this is the case and what pins need power? I left the power supply plugged in and it and an area on the underside of the laptop were mildly warm after some time so some current is flowing. That's all I can say. I will take the hard disk out and test. Luckily it didn't have critical data on it. I'm also competent to dismantle the laptop if anyone can suggest a fix. Thanks Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
MPlayer experiment not working out well
Robert Huff wrote: Erik Gustafson writes: Have you tried the ports multimedia/mplayer or multimedia/vlc? I can't live without mplayer on my desktop and it usually just works on everything i try to play. I use mplayer too, but (as far as I know) the list of supported codecs hasn't changed in several years. That's mostly not a problem, but there are certain file types (.wmvs I have been told are handled correctly by Windows Media Player 10/11; this may be a DRM thing) that completely do not play. If you want a fancy GUI, search in ports/multimedia for mplayer and you will find kde-mplayer, gnome-mplayer and friends. Mplayer has a gui (gmplayer) but it's pretty minimal. Robert Huff Hello Robert / Erik / All, The mplayer installation went pretty smoothly - no problems with that. And the gui is more than acceptable - I don't need the gnome-mplayer add-on. But the application has failed to play any file/CD/DVD for me so far. The typical complaint for unencrypted vob files/iso-images is 'Too many packets in the buffer', whereas for encrypted DVD's the application produces garbage. (Please note it is willing to take dvd://1 on the commandline but not dvdnav://1, even though libdvd[nav/read/css] are all installed on my system). My DVD device in mplayer is /dev/dvd (permissions 644), which is a symlink to /dev/acd0 (permissions 444). For .dat files copies straight from CD's, the playback seems to occur at the rate of one frame per annum. On more than a couple of occasions, I remember getting some warning message to the effect 'gl missing : be prepared for a severe performance penalty'. Needless to say, my spirits are dampened after all the initial enthusiasm and effort. Maybe somebody can point out what might be wrong with my setup. Following is the output of my 'make showconfig' in /usr/ports/multimedia/mplayer : === The following configuration options are available for mplayer-0.99.11_12: DEBUG=off Include debug symbols in mplayer's binary files RTCPU=on Let mplayer dynamically check for CPU features OCFLAGS=on Use optimized compiler flags SIMD=on Allow mplayer to use vector engines (MMX...) IPV6=off Include inet6 network support X11=on Enable X11 support for mplayer's video output X11XV=on X11 video drivers: XV X11DGA=on X11 video drivers: DGA X11GL=on X11 video drivers: OpenGL X11XIN=on X11 video drivers: Xinerama X11VM=off X11 VidMode support GUI=on Enable GTK2 graphical user interface with X11 SDL=off Enable SDL video output VIDIX=off Enable VIDIX video output on supported archs SKINS=on Force dependency on mplayer-skins FREETYPE=on Use freetype for OSD fonts (TrueType!) RTC=off Add support for kernel real time clock timing ARTS=off Enable KDE sound system support ESOUND=on Enable GNOME esound support JACK=off Enable JackIt audio server support NAS=off Enable NAS sound server support OPENAL=off Enable OpenAL sound support LIBUNGIF=on Enable gif support AALIB=off Enable aalib support LIBCACA=off Enable libcaca support SVGALIB=off Enable svgalib support LIBDV=off Enable libdv support MAD=on Enable mad MPEG audio engine support DTS=on Enable DTS audio codec support LIBMPCDEC=off Enable libmpcdec support LADSPA=off Enable LADSPA plugin support SPEEX=off Enable speex audio codec support TREMOR=on Use built-in tremor instead of libvorbis XMMS=on Enable XMMS plugin support THEORA=off Enable ogg theora video support WIN32=on Enable win32 codec set on the IA32 arch AMR=off Enable AMR audio codec support X264=on Enable x264 (H.264) video codec support XANIM=on Enable xanim DLL support XVID=on Enable XVID video codec support REALPLAYER=off Enable real player plugin LIVEMEDIA=off Enable LIVE555 streaming support SMB=off Enable Samba input support FRIBIDI=off Enable FriBiDi support LIRC=off Enable lirc support LIBCDIO=off Enable libcdio support CDPARANOIA=off Enable cdparanoia support LIBLZO=off Enable external liblzo library JOYSTICK=off Enable joystick support === Use 'make config' to modify these settings In mplayer's Preferences/codecs, I am using the DirectShow codecs. Could that be a problem ? Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- Thank you and Regards Manish Jain invalid.poin...@gmail.com +91-99830-62246 NB : Laast year I kudn't spell Software Engineer. Now I are won. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cant get Java working with FireFox
Manolis Kiagias wrote: Warren Liddell wrote: im running FreeBSD7.1-STABLE portupgrade//world//kernel done today an still even from following a few howto's on the BSD site i cant get java to work or show up in the plugins .. anyone got any ideas on whats going on and/or how to fix this annoying problem ? Assuming you got the diablo-jdk or diablo-jre package installed, try creating a symbolic link of libjavaplugin_oji.so to /usr/local/lib/firefox3/plugins On my system that would be in /usr/local/diablo-jdk1.6.0/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so for just the jre it would probably be in /usr/local/diablo-jre1.6.0/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so Thanks, i figured it was something that ff wasnt piccking up and that did the trick thanks very much :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
ifconfig ndis0 up scan doesn't find my ap
Hi, I get this behavior on 2 completely different laptops, one on 7.0-release, and the other on 7-stable. ndio0 [broadcom :( ] comes right up in dmesg, and ifconfig(), but it won't find any AP's - is this known? - because I can google people with lots of different ndis0 problems (mostly on 5.x and 6.x), but not this particular one...I seem some warning about not supporting AP's in the handbook for ndis, but it seems to be under the 'build your own AP from freebsd and a nic section', so I'm hoping it doesn't apply, cause my shiny new lenovo s10e has a really ugly looking broadcom slot, not minipci. Must be something new like micro pci, but at any rate, I would prefer not to have to hack my bios to get it to boot with a non-broadcom nic in it anyways. ndisgen has always been an acceptable, if distasteful, solution in past days. Thanks, Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
'bwi' module question
Anyone have experience building if_bwi (broadcom 43x)? Found a tgz on a freesd.org site, so I presume it's legit, but it's a bit short on instructions, and I get a object directory not changed from origonal /mnt/flash/bwi.01/ @- /usr/src/sys warning, and an ln: @: Operation not supported error, so I assume this goes in src somewhere, but does dev, or modules? There's not even a readme file for it, and all I found was a link, not the origonal site (which just seems to be an anutomated repository). I'm a little worried, if I stick it in modules, it's top-level makefile will overwite the one in modules, so should I merge it in? Obviously a bit past my abilities, but I'm willing to play... Best, Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
the 'make' command in the ports tree
Hello, I'm a long time user of BSDs, and I don't find man pages or documentation on the way I can master the port collection (specialy the fonction of make). I found this, interesting: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/ports-using.html, but some interogations persist. I search a command that list all availables variables that afect program installation, and all arguments I can give to the /usr/port/Makefile (I know about 'make search key= and name=' is there another?). Could anyone give me some cool addresses to learn on the subject? Cordially sserre...@gmail.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Can I resume the perl upgrade?
On Saturday 11 April 2009 17:20:56 Chris Rees wrote:
2009/4/11 David Southwell da...@vizion2000.net:
On Friday 10 April 2009 11:43:33 kime...@gmail.com wrote:
Paul Schmehl wrote:
--On Friday, April 10, 2009 11:17:00 -0500 Paul Schmehl
pschmehl_li...@tx.rr.com wrote:
According to /usr/ports/UPDATING, if you want to upgrade to perl5.10,
you do
the following:
Portupgrade users:
0) Fix pkgdb.db (for safety):
pkgdb -Ff
1) Reinstall perl with new 5.10:
portupgrade -o lang/perl5.10 -f perl-5.8.\*
2) Reinstall everything that depends on Perl:
portupgrade -fr perl
My machine got rebooted right in the middle of step 3. Is there a
way to
resume where I left off? Or do I just start over?
Let me rephrase. I don't see a way in portupgrade to start over where
I left off. However, pkg_info -R lang/perl* shows that all my ports
depend on 5.10 and no ports are still depending upon 5.8. Is it safe
to assume that the reboot happened after portupgrade had finished?
Nope. With this info you can assume that step 2/3 worked. Not the step
3/3. I dont know how to restart at the stage it was before reboot as I
dont use portupgrade.
Personnaly, as portmaster failed with some ports and abort the whole
update process, I wrote a simple sh script which loop over the packages
which need perl (got via the via pkg_info -R, need reordering
thought...), exec portmaster ${PKG}, and keep a list of which reinstall
succeed and which failed.
Regards
I hope it is not too far off topic but:
Can anyone tell me how to fix this one:
Stale dependency: bsdpan-Pod-Perldoc-3.15 - perl-5.8.9_2 (lang/perl5.8):
can't convert nil into string
My update to 10 seems to be OK except for this..
I cannot find its origin so do not know what to deinstall and reinstall
It would also be great to get all bsdpan into the pkgdb with their
origins.. is there any way to do that?
Thanks in advance
David
Perhaps you should start a new thread.
Chris
Tried that last week to no avail
So asmy question was vaguely on topic I had hoped someone might be able to
contribute something useful!!
No such luck!!
Thank you for your contribution
most helpful
David
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Re: MPlayer experiment not working out well
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 05:04:52PM +0530, Manish Jain wrote: The mplayer installation went pretty smoothly - no problems with that. And the gui is more than acceptable - I don't need the gnome-mplayer add-on. But the application has failed to play any file/CD/DVD for me so far. The typical complaint for unencrypted vob files/iso-images is 'Too many packets in the buffer', whereas for encrypted DVD's the application produces garbage. (Please note it is willing to take dvd://1 on the commandline but not dvdnav://1, even though libdvd[nav/read/css] are all installed on my system). My DVD device in mplayer is /dev/dvd (permissions 644), which is a symlink to /dev/acd0 (permissions 444). I'm pretty sure that you need write access to the (real) DVD device as well. A good way to do that would be to create a group named e.g. cdrom, and add yourself to that group. Next you need to set the following in /etc/devfs.conf: own acd0 root:cdrom permacd0 0660 linkacd0 cdrom linkacd0 dvd For .dat files copies straight from CD's, the playback seems to occur at the rate of one frame per annum. On more than a couple of occasions, I remember getting some warning message to the effect 'gl missing : be prepared for a severe performance penalty'. What video output are you using? If supported by you graphics card driver, use the xv video device (vo=xv in ~/.mplayer/config). Needless to say, my spirits are dampened after all the initial enthusiasm and effort. Maybe somebody can point out what might be wrong with my setup. Following is the output of my 'make showconfig' in /usr/ports/multimedia/mplayer : === The following configuration options are available for The config looks OK. In mplayer's Preferences/codecs, I am using the DirectShow codecs. Could that be a problem. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Are those the binary-only windows codecs? I've always run mplayer with none in those preferences. Works fine here. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpYZTxgkW4i6.pgp Description: PGP signature
change in kernel config file
[posted here because could affect people who don't read curr...@] I'm about to update a -CURRENT box, and came across this in src/UPDATING: GEOM_PART has become the default partition slicer for storage devices, replacing GEOM_MBR, GEOM_BSD, GEOM_PC98 and GEOM_GPT slicers. It introduces some changes: 1) In order for the new system to work, what - if anything - do I need to put in the config file? 2) will adding options GEOM_PART_GPT cause problems? With respect to the changes in the USB stack: The old system was built in early February, before the new code went in. The config file has: device uhci device ohci device ehci device usb device ukbd device ums Do I need to change anything? (Pointers for explanations are good.) And is there a quick-but-dirty way to figure out which ports use libusb? I'm already set to rebuild devel/libusb. Respectfully, Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: make in the port tree: where can I find documentation?
sebovick wrote: Hello, I'm a long time user of BSDs, and I don't find man pages or documentation on the way I can master the port collection (specialy the fonction of make). I found this, interesting: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/ports-using.html, but some interogations persist. I search a command that list all availables variables that afect program installation, and all arguments I can give to the /usr/port/Makefile (I know about 'make search key= and name=' is there another?). Could anyone give me some cool addresses to learn on the subject? Probably doesn't contain everything you're looking for but is good background material to start with: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/index.html -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Why USB harddrive is so slow under FreeBSD?
I have FreeBSD-71 running with USB controller: uhci0: VIA 83C572 USB controller port 0xa800-0xa81f irq 21 at device 16.0 on pci0 I connected to it Toshiba USB hard drive HDDR500E03X: umass0: Toshiba External USB HDD, class 0/0, rev 2.00/1.03, addr 2 on uhub4 da0: Toshiba External USB HDD 1.03 Fixed Direct Access SCSI-4 device When I try to copy data with 'dd if=/dev/da0s1 of=/dev/null count=1' it only achieves has 0.65MB/s transfer speed. What's wrong, why is it so slow? Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: the 'make' command in the ports tree
On Sunday 12 April 2009, dede wrote: I search a command that list all availables variables that afect program installation, and all arguments I can give to the /usr/port/Makefile (I know about 'make search key= and name=' is there another?). Could anyone give me some cool addresses to learn on the subject? Check out the ports(7) manual. Regards, Pieter de Goeje ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: the 'make' command in the ports tree
On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:08:21 +0200, dede sserre...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm a long time user of BSDs, and I don't find man pages or documentation on the way I can master the port collection (specialy the fonction of make). Did you try % man ports Don't miss % man portsnap I found this, interesting: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/ports-using.html, but some interogations persist. Which are those? I search a command that list all availables variables that afect program installation, [...] Those are usually specifig to the port and are, in most cases, listed in its Makefile. Sometimes, they're documented, e. g. in /usr/ports/multimedia/mplayer/Makefile you'll find a header with explainations for the variables. There may be globally set variables that do have an effect on a specific port. % man make.conf gives a good summary, and have a look at the explainations given in /usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf. [...] and all arguments I can give to the /usr/port/Makefile (I know about 'make search key= and name=' is there another?). Yes, make install, make deinstall, make reinstall, make config, make clean, make distclean, make package are very common ones for the ports. In /usr/ports, you can even use make update to update your ports collection. Could anyone give me some cool addresses to learn on the subject? The FreeBSD Handbook, 4.5 Using the Ports Collection is excellent: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-using.html You mentioned it already. The FAQ, Chapter 7 User Applications, covers other activities: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/applications.html If you find things that are not documented enough, simply ask a question here. -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: openoffice.org-3.01 packages available (i386)
Manolis Kiagias wrote: Sure. I'll do a test run with XFCE and we can discuss details afterwards. That's great, look forward to the results Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: (OT) good laptop hardware repair group or forum
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 4:55 AM, Chris Whitehouse cwhi...@onetel.comwrote: Glen Barber wrote: Hi, Chris On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Chris Whitehouse cwhi...@onetel.com wrote: Hi all very sorry for this OT post, does anyone know of a good usenet or other forum to ask about laptop hardware repair? My quite expensive and now out-of-warranty HP laptop has suddenly become very dead and I'm in shock :(( Even though it's (OT), maybe some of us could be able to help. What's the problem? I will try the HP support forums as suggested but... It's a nc6320 (RH383ET#ABU) and was in good condition not too much used and has never given trouble. It was booting, with mains and battery plugged in, when it suddenly and instantaneously lost power. Now it is completely dead, no LEDS. It made a couple of clicks as it died, one of which might have been the hard disk head parking. The power supply is showing what looks like the right voltage. The battery has 6 connectors, I tested between all combinations of pairs but all were zero voltage. I also tested between all pairs of battery connector pins in the back of the laptop with the power plugged in, also zero voltage. I am suspicious of the battery showing zero, I think it might need wake up power from the laptop. Does anyone know if this is the case and what pins need power? I left the power supply plugged in and it and an area on the underside of the laptop were mildly warm after some time so some current is flowing. That's all I can say. I will take the hard disk out and test. Luckily it didn't have critical data on it. I'm also competent to dismantle the laptop if anyone can suggest a fix. Thanks Chris My grandmother had a HP that just died too. My brother took the first stab at it, describing it as a likely DC-DC converter problem, and I was seeing indication of a bad seat on the CPU. It was working just fine and for the CPU to become unseated is not likely. I tore that machine apart until I couldn't figure out how to get the top or bottom plate off that surrounds the motherboard. I didn't fix it, but we all gave up and she went and bought another system. The DC-DC converter is what takes the 18V (or whatever) the mains/battery supplies, and breaks it out into the 3.3V, 5V, 12V, etc needed to power all the various components. We never ordered one and tried it. We just replaced the machine. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why USB harddrive is so slow under FreeBSD?
Yuri wrote: I have FreeBSD-71 running with USB controller: uhci0: VIA 83C572 USB controller port 0xa800-0xa81f irq 21 at device 16.0 on pci0 I connected to it Toshiba USB hard drive HDDR500E03X: umass0: Toshiba External USB HDD, class 0/0, rev 2.00/1.03, addr 2 on uhub4 da0: Toshiba External USB HDD 1.03 Fixed Direct Access SCSI-4 device When I try to copy data with 'dd if=/dev/da0s1 of=/dev/null count=1' it only achieves has 0.65MB/s transfer speed. I get around the same speeds if I do it that way. But if I add 'bs=1m', speeds go up to 27MB/sec. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why USB harddrive is so slow under FreeBSD?
Frederique Rijsdijk wrote: I get around the same speeds if I do it that way. But if I add 'bs=1m', speeds go up to 27MB/sec. Do you also have VIA 83C572? I was leaning towards a direction that VIA 83C572 is probably USB-1.X only and only has speeds up to 12 Mb/s. But I can't find documentation proving/disproving this. Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: /usr/bin/calendar in cgi script
I don't know what program you're using for your CGI stuff, but basically all that is needed is the 'pre/pre' tags. Here is an example which uses PHP to call the system 'calendar' command: !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN html head meta http-equiv=content-type content=text/html; charset=UTF-8 titleModulore Training Media/title body p Hello world. Calling UNIX calendar program via PHP: p pre ?php system(calendar -f calendar.history); ? /pre /body /html On 4/11/09, Charles Howse cho...@charter.net wrote: On Apr 11, 2009, at 2:07 PM, Robert Huff wrote: Charles Howse writes: Now, when I run that script in a terminal, the output is perfectly formatted, multiple lines (if there are multiple events on this date), date first, event, year. Just right. But, when I put that in an include statement in a webpage, the output is a single line, regardless of whether there are multiple events. You can see a bad example here: http://bubbabbq.homeunix.net/history_cgi.shtml How can I make multiple events show on separate lines, like it does in terminal? Would I be correct in believing you're unfamiliar with html? You would most certainly NOT BE CORRECT. I've had my own server running Apache for years. I don't think this is something that can be solved with html tags, but I will try Brad's suggestions. Read man calendar about how it uses cpp, and how the calendar.* files are formatted. If I recall, I used this same technique years ago and had a simple, elegant way of solving it using some default tool like col, though that doesn't seem to work now. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why USB harddrive is so slow under FreeBSD?
In the last episode (Apr 12), Yuri said: I have FreeBSD-71 running with USB controller: uhci0: VIA 83C572 USB controller port 0xa800-0xa81f irq 21 at device 16.0 on pci0 I connected to it Toshiba USB hard drive HDDR500E03X: umass0: Toshiba External USB HDD, class 0/0, rev 2.00/1.03, addr 2 on uhub4 da0: Toshiba External USB HDD 1.03 Fixed Direct Access SCSI-4 device When I try to copy data with 'dd if=/dev/da0s1 of=/dev/null count=1' it only achieves has 0.65MB/s transfer speed. What's wrong, why is it so slow? Increase your blocksize. dd's default is 512 bytes. Try bs=64k -- Dan Nelson dnel...@allantgroup.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: /usr/bin/calendar in cgi script
Yes, I was reminded of the pre /pre tags, and that solved it. Thanks! On Apr 12, 2009, at 3:58 PM, Modulok wrote: I don't know what program you're using for your CGI stuff, but basically all that is needed is the 'pre/pre' tags. Here is an example which uses PHP to call the system 'calendar' command: !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN html head meta http-equiv=content-type content=text/html; charset=UTF-8 titleModulore Training Media/title body p Hello world. Calling UNIX calendar program via PHP: p pre ?php system(calendar -f calendar.history); ? /pre /body /html On 4/11/09, Charles Howse cho...@charter.net wrote: On Apr 11, 2009, at 2:07 PM, Robert Huff wrote: Charles Howse writes: Now, when I run that script in a terminal, the output is perfectly formatted, multiple lines (if there are multiple events on this date), date first, event, year. Just right. But, when I put that in an include statement in a webpage, the output is a single line, regardless of whether there are multiple events. You can see a bad example here: http://bubbabbq.homeunix.net/history_cgi.shtml How can I make multiple events show on separate lines, like it does in terminal? Would I be correct in believing you're unfamiliar with html? You would most certainly NOT BE CORRECT. I've had my own server running Apache for years. I don't think this is something that can be solved with html tags, but I will try Brad's suggestions. Read man calendar about how it uses cpp, and how the calendar.* files are formatted. If I recall, I used this same technique years ago and had a simple, elegant way of solving it using some default tool like col, though that doesn't seem to work now. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why USB harddrive is so slow under FreeBSD?
Dan Nelson wrote: Increase your blocksize. dd's default is 512 bytes. Try bs=64k This works, I am getting 25-27 MB/s. Still lower than this device supports (~50MB/s). I guess because this VIA controller is very old. Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: the 'make' command in the ports tree
dede wrote: Hello, I'm a long time user of BSDs, and I don't find man pages or documentation on the way I can master the port collection (specialy the fonction of make). I found this, interesting: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/ports-using.html, but some interogations persist. I search a command that list all availables variables that afect program installation, and all arguments I can give to the /usr/port/Makefile (I know about 'make search key= and name=' is there another?). Could anyone give me some cool addresses to learn on the subject? Not sure if I understand your question fully, but this is a great place to learn about different options available when manipulating ports. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=portsapropos=0sektion=0manpath=FreeBSD+7.1-RELEASE+and+Portsformat=html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: change in kernel config file
2009/4/12 Robert Huff roberth...@rcn.com: With respect to the changes in the USB stack: The old system was built in early February, before the new code went in. The config file has: device uhci device ohci device ehci device usb device ukbd device ums Do I need to change anything? (Pointers for explanations are good.) And is there a quick-but-dirty way to figure out which ports use libusb? I'm already set to rebuild devel/libusb. I don't rightly know to your first query, sorry. As to libusb: -CURRENT does not need (actually needs to not have) devel/libusb since its functionality(?) is part of the base system now (post feb09). What I did: pkg_delete -f libusb pkgdb -F (this detected the dependancies as obsolete perfectly) cd /usr/src make delete-old make delete-old-libs (caue canem! ^^stuff might break after this^^. Badly) rebuild everything that used to depend on libusb (I guess running pkg_info -R /var/db/pkg/libusb\* fruitbatexpress.txt would be prudent prior to pkg_delete . . . ) NB: this is not a tutorial and is probably missing some stuff. Please be careful, and always use protection. Always. -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
make run-depends-list-recursive?
Hi Is there a make target which will give a list of _all_ dependencies recursively not just next level up? Or a port? I tried ports-mgmt/pkg_tree but it only seems to work with installed ports. I don't care if I get duplicates as long as every dependency is listed at least once. Thanks Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: (OT) good laptop hardware repair group or forum
-Original Message- From: Tim Judd [mailto:taj...@gmail.com] Sent: 12 April 2009 21:38 To: Chris Whitehouse Cc: Glen Barber; User Questions Subject: Re: (OT) good laptop hardware repair group or forum On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 4:55 AM, Chris Whitehouse cwhi...@onetel.comwrote: Glen Barber wrote: Hi, Chris On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Chris Whitehouse cwhi...@onetel.com wrote: Hi all very sorry for this OT post, does anyone know of a good usenet or other forum to ask about laptop hardware repair? My quite expensive and now out-of-warranty HP laptop has suddenly become very dead and I'm in shock :(( Even though it's (OT), maybe some of us could be able to help. What's the problem? I will try the HP support forums as suggested but... It's a nc6320 (RH383ET#ABU) and was in good condition not too much used and has never given trouble. It was booting, with mains and battery plugged in, when it suddenly and instantaneously lost power. Now it is completely dead, no LEDS. It made a couple of clicks as it died, one of which might have been the hard disk head parking. The power supply is showing what looks like the right voltage. The battery has 6 connectors, I tested between all combinations of pairs but all were zero voltage. I also tested between all pairs of battery connector pins in the back of the laptop with the power plugged in, also zero voltage. I am suspicious of the battery showing zero, I think it might need wake up power from the laptop. Does anyone know if this is the case and what pins need power? I left the power supply plugged in and it and an area on the underside of the laptop were mildly warm after some time so some current is flowing. That's all I can say. I will take the hard disk out and test. Luckily it didn't have critical data on it. I'm also competent to dismantle the laptop if anyone can suggest a fix. Thanks Chris My grandmother had a HP that just died too. My brother took the first stab at it, describing it as a likely DC-DC converter problem, and I was seeing indication of a bad seat on the CPU. It was working just fine and for the CPU to become unseated is not likely. I tore that machine apart until I couldn't figure out how to get the top or bottom plate off that surrounds the motherboard. I didn't fix it, but we all gave up and she went and bought another system. The DC-DC converter is what takes the 18V (or whatever) the mains/battery supplies, and breaks it out into the 3.3V, 5V, 12V, etc needed to power all the various components. We never ordered one and tried it. We just replaced the machine. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org You could try re-seating the ram should be located in one of the hatches on the underside of the unit, its free and worth a go just incase, if that fails I would seriously consider a new laptop, I have seen prices for HP mainboards that run in the £300-500 region. Regards Graeme Dargie ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Perl upgrade and bsdpan into pkgdb
--On April 12, 2009 2:05:50 PM -0500 David Southwell da...@vizion2000.net wrote: I hope it is not too far off topic but: It is, so note the change of subject Can anyone tell me how to fix this one: Stale dependency: bsdpan-Pod-Perldoc-3.15 - perl-5.8.9_2 (lang/perl5.8): can't convert nil into string Rather than installing directly from bsdpan, install all your perl modules from ports. It takes a little getting used to, but many of the bsdpan modules are in ports with the convention p5-Name-Name. Paul Schmehl, If it isn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ** WARNING: Check the headers before replying ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why USB harddrive is so slow under FreeBSD?
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 02:53:42PM -0700, Yuri wrote: Dan Nelson wrote: Increase your blocksize. dd's default is 512 bytes. Try bs=64k This works, I am getting 25-27 MB/s. Still lower than this device supports (~50MB/s). I guess because this VIA controller is very old. Although the theoretical max speed of USB 2.0 is 60MB/s it is not actually possible to reach that speed. In practice the best transfer speed one can get over USB is 35-40 MB/s and most of the time not even that. Anything over 30MB/s with USB should be considered quite good, so the 25-27MB/s you are seeing are actually not all that bad. Some other controller *might* give you a few more MB/s but probably not more than that. -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson ertr1...@student.uu.se ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Creating a custom install disk for Freebsd?
Hi all. I'm looking at trying to create a custom install disk for Freebsd based off an existing install to make reinstallation quick and painless, similar to how apt-on-cd works for Linux. The reason behind this is I'm looking at going overseas for a couple years and will be leaving a bsd server in my brother-in-law's care. Since he's a hardware guy, if the server fails, he can easily fix it and get it back up. But he will be clueless as to how to reinstall the server itself and get it running afterwards (assuming the failure was caused by the HD failing). So I want to leave behind a cd that's setup in such a way that all he has to do is pop it in, boot it up, and maybe answer a couple questions prior to install. After that the cd does the rest. And when it's finished, the system ends up with a fresh copy of the server as it was when the snapshot was created, including all settings and applications. It's fine if the software isn't the latest. I just need to make sure he can get it up quickly and easily and then I'll handle the rest of the stuff remotely from overseas, such as bringing it up to date. The goal is just to make it as absolutely easy as I can for him to get working. He's really good with PC hardware, but he a total newb on the software side. So, is there something like this for Freebsd, or would I be forced to use something like Clonezilla to create an image and go that route? I'm not very found of the disk image idea myself, but I can go that route if need be. Steven Lake Owner/Technical Writer Raiden's Realm www.raiden.net Bringing Linux and BSD to the World ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
java using 100% CPU
After finally managing to get java working with FF i find when i goto use it now, it uses 100% of my CPU ... how can i fix this annoyinng issue ? Running FreeBSD 7.1-STABLE AMD64 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: make run-depends-list-recursive?
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Chris Whitehouse cwhi...@onetel.comwrote: Hi Is there a make target which will give a list of _all_ dependencies recursively not just next level up? Or a port? I tried ports-mgmt/pkg_tree but it only seems to work with installed ports. I don't care if I get duplicates as long as every dependency is listed at least once. Thanks Chris make all-depends-list ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Creating a custom install disk for Freebsd?
On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:45:11 -0400, Steve Lake steve.l...@raiden.net wrote: So I want to leave behind a cd that's setup in such a way that all he has to do is pop it in, boot it up, and maybe answer a couple questions prior to install. After that the cd does the rest. And when it's finished, the system ends up with a fresh copy of the server as it was when the snapshot was created, including all settings and applications. If any data loss is okay then (due to reinstallation a common observation), you could easily create a bootable DVD (a CD would be too small I think) that runs a simple shell script that 1. slices and partitions the disk, 2. newfses the partitions and 3. restores a dump onto the partitions. These dumps you can generate from the server before you leave, read: in the state that is desired for best operation. (Go into SUM, unmount the partitions of the server and do a full dump.) If you set up everything correctly, no interaction should be required. PRO:exact 1:1 copy of a running system no interaction CONTRA: need extra disk to save dump files system in the state exactly prior dump It's fine if the software isn't the latest. The software will of course have the date of the dump. I just need to make sure he can get it up quickly and easily and then I'll handle the rest of the stuff remotely from overseas, such as bringing it up to date. Then my suggestion would be fine. I usually go the same route, but without a custom boot CD. I use FreeSBIE to boot the system, have a second hard disk with the partition images on it (e. g. root.dump, var.dump, usr.dump, home.dump) and use sysinstall from the CD to slice, partition and newfs the disk, and then restore the backups onto the partitions (ad0s1a, ad0s1d-g). I think it would even be okay to use the live file system of a FreeBSD disc instead of FreeSBIE. But I think in your case, involving a live system CD would be too complicated (allthough it is not *that* complicated), so the automated approach would be okay. So, is there something like this for Freebsd, or would I be forced to use something like Clonezilla to create an image and go that route? No. FreeBSD is an excellent operating system that brings everything to accomplish this task. The basic tools are dump, restore, a bit of shell scripting, and a CD / DVD burning application. I'm not very found of the disk image idea myself, but I can go that route if need be. It's not that bad, but be sure to make more than one of these installation discs, just in case one gets damaged. :-) If this isn't what you're searching for, maybe the make release from the FreeBSD /usr/src tree will help you. You can furthermore create a custom installation file for sysinstall. That's possible, too. -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Out of office autoreply.
I will be away from the office until 14-Apr-09. If your message requires urgent attention, please forward it to danielademarzi...@cooperbrosgroup.com Estaré fuera de la oficina hasta el 14-Abr-09. Si su mensaje requiere atención urgente, favor re-transmitirlo a danielademarzi...@cooperbrosgroup.com Estarei fora do escritório até o dia 14-Abr-09. Se sua mensagem precisa de atenção urgente, favor de repassar para danielademarzi...@cooperbrosgroup.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/lib/libcairo.so.2: Undefined symbol pixman_region32_init
Hi, After installing Freebsd 7.1 with this as my uname -a: 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #0 And then updating the ports, and doing the following: pkg_add -r xorg pkg_add -r blackbox pkg_add -r firefox3 I can start blackbox fine, but when I try to launch, say, firefox I get this: /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/lib/libcairo.so.2: Undefined symbol pixman_region32_init Any ideas? I have no clue, and searching the web turns up nothing. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Creating a custom install disk for Freebsd?
On Apr 12, 2009, at 7:45 PM, Steve Lake wrote: Hi all. I'm looking at trying to create a custom install disk for Freebsd based off an existing install to make reinstallation quick and painless Hi Steve, FreeBSD's install can be scripted... Quoted from BSD Hacks by Dru Lavigne FreeBSD's install mechanism lives in /stand/sysinstall. Not surprisingly, man sysinstall describes all of the scriptable bits of this program. I'll go over some useful parameters, but you'll definitely want to skim through the manpage to see if there are additional parameters suited to your particular environment. FreeBSD also comes with a commented, ready-to-customize install script, located in /usr/src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/install.cfg. Copy this file, then edit the copy in your favorite editor. OTOH, a bootable dvd with a cloned image on it would be a much simpler solution, IMHO. -- Thanks, Charles Things you'd like to say out lout at work, but can't... What am I? Flypaper for freaks!? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Creating a custom install disk for Freebsd?
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Steve Lake steve.l...@raiden.net wrote: Hi all. I'm looking at trying to create a custom install disk for Freebsd based off an existing install to make reinstallation quick and painless, similar to how apt-on-cd works for Linux. The reason behind this is I'm looking at going overseas for a couple years and will be leaving a bsd server in my brother-in-law's care. Since he's a hardware guy, if the server fails, he can easily fix it and get it back up. But he will be clueless as to how to reinstall the server itself and get it running afterwards (assuming the failure was caused by the HD failing). So I want to leave behind a cd that's setup in such a way that all he has to do is pop it in, boot it up, and maybe answer a couple questions prior to install. After that the cd does the rest. And when it's finished, the system ends up with a fresh copy of the server as it was when the snapshot was created, including all settings and applications. ... Steven Lake Owner/Technical Writer Raiden's Realm www.raiden.net Bringing Linux and BSD to the World The following is not an answer to your question but only to suggest a possible installation step to be able to use in such an instance and many repeated installations . There is such a facility in Mandriva Free 2008 ( www.mandriva.com ) . During installation it is possible to use a diskette to save all of the responses of the user for the installation . Then , for a new installation on another PC , when this diskette is submitted to the Mandriva installer , it is not asking any question about installation and it is using the parameters stored in that diskette . I wish that the FreeBSD is also applies such a step . It would be very useful for the installers because re-entry of all of the parameters for a new install of the same operating system on the same machine or a similar another machine really is very time consuming . Even such a facility may use XML files to make it usable for different successive releases with a possible update of the XML files . Instead of diskette , a USB stick may also be used because diskette drives are disappearing slowly . Thank you very much Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
