Re: ATI Radeon HD3450 on FreeBSD 7.2

[Polytropon]

On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 08:21:51 +0200, "Sabine Baer"  wrote:
> Now it seems to work (except for [Ctrl-Alt-Backspace])

It now is an additional configuration item that explicitely needs
to be configured.

Section "ServerFlags"
Option "DontZap" "false"
EndSection

This is what you need to add in order to re-enable it.



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Re: More on Toshiba A305 SP6926A

[Roland Smith]

On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 05:12:24AM -0700, Leonardo M. Ramé wrote:

> A new issue I found is I can't control screen brightness & contrast. This
> machine has this control in Windows by clicking the [FN Key]+F6/F7.
> 
> Does anyone knows how to enable this in FreeBsd?

If it is not something you can enable in your BIOS, i.e. if this feature needs
OS support then you should do the following.

Check if your window manager/desktop environment has an applet for this. If it
does, that will presumably take care of the details. If it doesn't you'll have
to figure it out yourself as indicated below.

Use 'xrandr --prop|less' to see if your display supports the backlight
property. If it doesn't you can forget about controlling the brightness AFAIK
and skip the rest of this post.

Install the x11/xbacklight port. This should enable you to set the backlight
level using the RandR extension, if your hardware supports it.

Next you need to know if your keyboard setup actually detects the FN
key. Start the xev program from a terminal window, and move your mouse pointer
into the xev window. You'll see a lot of mouse events scrolling through the
terminal window. Now press the Fn key, and see if it registers in the terminal
window. If it doesn't you need to use other key combinations (like just the
F6/F7 keys).

Next you need to look at your window manager documentation how to link
keypresses to executing commands, so that is calls e.g. 'xbacklight --inc 10'
and 'xbacklight --dec 10' when the right buttons are pressed. This might be
called a 'key binding' or a 'hotkey'.

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Re: 7.2 burncd and cdrecord problem

[Ruben de Groot]

On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 08:23:49PM +0200, Fernando Apestegu?a typed:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm trying to get my CD drive to work without so much success.
> Reading is fine, but when I try to burn a CD I get errors in dmesg.
> 
> Using cdrecord -blank=fast dev=3,0,0 I get:
> 
> [...]
> Using generic SCSI-3/mmc   CD-ROM driver (mmc_cd).
> Driver flags   : MMC-3 SWABAUDIO BURNFREE
> Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R16 RAW/R96P RAW/R96R
> Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 18 in real BLANK mode for single session.
> Last chance to quit, starting real write0 seconds. Operation starts.
> This drive or media does not support the 'BLANK media' command
> cdrecord: Cannot blank disk, aborting.
> cdrecord: Some drives do not support all blank types.
> cdrecord: Try again with cdrecord blank=all.

So what happened when you tried the blank=all option instead of your blank=fast?
You did try that, didn't you?

Ruben

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Re: 7.2 burncd and cdrecord problem

[Fernando Apesteguía]

On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Ruben de Groot wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 08:23:49PM +0200, Fernando Apestegu?a typed:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm trying to get my CD drive to work without so much success.
>> Reading is fine, but when I try to burn a CD I get errors in dmesg.
>>
>> Using cdrecord -blank=fast dev=3,0,0 I get:
>>
>> [...]
>> Using generic SCSI-3/mmc   CD-ROM driver (mmc_cd).
>> Driver flags   : MMC-3 SWABAUDIO BURNFREE
>> Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R16 RAW/R96P RAW/R96R
>> Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 18 in real BLANK mode for single session.
>> Last chance to quit, starting real write    0 seconds. Operation starts.
>> This drive or media does not support the 'BLANK media' command
>> cdrecord: Cannot blank disk, aborting.
>> cdrecord: Some drives do not support all blank types.
>> cdrecord: Try again with cdrecord blank=all.
>
> So what happened when you tried the blank=all option instead of your 
> blank=fast?
> You did try that, didn't you?

I did, sorry I didn't mention that. It shows the same errors.

>
> Ruben
>
>
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Howto: To know whether the 3D accelerator works on my desktop with ATI Radeon 3450.

[Ricky Tompu Breaky]

Dear my friends,

please tell me how I know whether my FreeBSD can run the 3D Accelerator
with my current ATI Radeon 3450 graphic card.

Thank you very much in advance.
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Re: Howto: To know whether the 3D accelerator works on my desktop with ATI Radeon 3450.

[Polytropon]

On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 17:53:47 +0700, Ricky Tompu Breaky  
wrote:
> Dear my friends,
> 
> please tell me how I know whether my FreeBSD can run the 3D Accelerator
> with my current ATI Radeon 3450 graphic card.

As far as I know, the "glxgears" program is a good indicator.
It can be installed via the "mesa-demos" port or package.
Furthermore, there's the "glxinfo" program.

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Java does not expose ScriptEngine

[Lane Holcombe]

Hello,

JDK 1.6 supposedly bundles rhino scripting, but this does not seem to be
the case on FreeBSD 7 for java/jdk16, java/diablo-jdk16 or java/openjdk6
as each call to ScriptEngineManager.getEngineFactories() returns an
empty list.

when I put the script-engine jar into the classpath:

(e.g. put js-engine.jar into /usr/local/diablo-jdk1.6.0/jre/lib/ext)

java does not load the script engine as expected.

On other os's (have tested Windows, and ubuntu) I can add a scriptengine
simply by placing the jar in the classpath.

Does anyone have any information about how to use scripting with java on
FreeBSD?

thanks!

lane

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Re: Howto: To know whether the 3D accelerator works on my desktop with ATI Radeon 3450.

[Roland Smith]

On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 05:53:47PM +0700, Ricky Tompu Breaky wrote:
> Dear my friends,
> 
> please tell me how I know whether my FreeBSD can run the 3D Accelerator
> with my current ATI Radeon 3450 graphic card.
 
The Radeon 3450 uses a RV620 chip
[http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-radeonhd/plain/README]. 

The radeonhd driver (x11-drivers/xf86-video-radeonhd) now supports 2D
accelleration for this chip.

3D hardware accelleration support for this chip (and indeed all R6xx chips) is
being worked on, but not ready for prime time. See
[http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd]

The Xorg server falls back to software 3D rendering through Mesa
[http://www.mesa3d.org/]. Depending on your application and CPU power this
might be fast enough.

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VIrtualBox install of 7.2 dvd

[John Francis Lee]

Hi,

I got a new machine, a linux ubuntu-running AMD64 based one, and thought 
I'd try out FreeBSD here at home. But when I begin the VirtualBox 
installation I get dumped into a shell-looking terminal with an OK 
prompt. I can't read all the instructions and frankly cannot do anything 
with it. I tried hitting the 2 before the timeout to boot with ACPI 
disabled but that seems not to make any difference.


Have you heard of this problem before?

Any help you might give appreciated.

Thanks.

I'll go see if the VirtualBox people can shed any  light on the matter 
as well.


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CPU doesn't support long mode

[John Francis Lee]

My problem seems to be that

 CPU doesn't support long mode

Is that it? Can't get there from here?

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Re: CPU doesn't support long mode

[Mike Bristow]

John Francis Lee wrote:
> My problem seems to be that
> 
>  CPU doesn't support long mode
> 
> Is that it? Can't get there from here?

My guess is that you've installed an amd64 version of FreeBSD, but your
system is i386.

Cheers,
Mike
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Re: 7.2 burncd and cdrecord problem

[b. f.]

> I'm trying to get my CD drive to work without so much success.
> Reading is fine, but when I try to burn a CD I get errors in dmesg.

>Using cdrecord -blank=fast dev=3,0,0 I get:

First, I hope that you are using sysutils/cdrtools-devel rather than
sysutils/cdrtools.  The latter is several years out of date, and the
upstream maintainer of the software has said that no one should be
using it, but the maintainer of the FreeBSD port has so far been
unwilling to update it.

...

>And dmesg shows:
>acd0: FAILURE - READ_BUFFER ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x24 ascq=0x00
>acd0: FAILURE - MODE_SELECT_BIG ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x26 ascq=0x00

It is not unusual for some errors to appear, even during normal
operation, so these don't necessarily indicate a problem, although it
was good that you posted them.  You should run the cdrecord command
with -vv (yes, two v's) to get verbose error messages from cdrecord.
This should give you a better idea of why cdrecord is failing.  If the
error messages from -vv are not enough, you can also add -VV, although
this affects the timing of the operations, and should be used with
care when recording.

I have had problems like this in the past, when a disk was corrupted,
and cdrecord balked at blanking it.  I used blank=all with either the
-immed flag, or the -force flag, or both, to solve the problems.

If you are using cdrtools, you should probably use the cd(4) driver
together with atapicam(4), rather than the acd(4) driver.  To prevent
possible problems, it is safer to prevent both drivers from attaching
to the same device.  I usually remove:

device atapicd

from my kernel, and just use:

device ata
device atapicam
device scbus
device cd
device pass

I don't know whether it is possible to disable the acd(4) driver using
just loader.conf(5), device.hints(5), or some other means at boot- or
run-time, but you could look into that if you don't want to go to the
trouble of removing it from your kernel.

b.
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Re: ATI Radeon HD3450 on FreeBSD 7.2-->Solved

[Ricky Tompu Breaky]

Dear Glen, Sabine and Polytropon,

Thank you very much for your help.

You all solved my problem.

Thank you thousands times.
==
Am Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:35:37 -0400
schrieb Glen Barber :

> Hi,
> 
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Ricky Tompu
> Breaky wrote:
> > Dear my friends,
> >
> > I just installed FreeBSD 7.2. But its xserver always hung-up
> > (suddenly stop working), only the GUI which suddenly stops working
> > once I execute: "
> > startx
> > ".
> > I can see the GUI but I can not do anything on it. I can not click
> > anything and I can not type nothing on it.
> >
> > My computer use ATI Radeon HD3450.
> >
> > But the kernel still works as the xserver stops working because if
> > I do "CTRL-Alt-F1/F2/F3/F?" then I can see the login prompt console.
> >
> > What should I do to solve this problem?
> >
> 
> I added the following to xorg.conf to fix the problems I had:
> 
> Section "ServerFlags"
>   option  "AutoAddDevices""off"
>   option  "AllowEmptyInput"   "off"
> EndSection
> 
> 
> Have a look at /usr/ports/UPDATING regarding the Xorg update.
> 
> 
> HTH
> 
> 

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Re: 7.2 burncd and cdrecord problem

[Fernando Apesteguía]

On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 8:02 PM, b. f. wrote:
>> I'm trying to get my CD drive to work without so much success.
>> Reading is fine, but when I try to burn a CD I get errors in dmesg.
>
>>Using cdrecord -blank=fast dev=3,0,0 I get:
>
> First, I hope that you are using sysutils/cdrtools-devel rather than
> sysutils/cdrtools.  The latter is several years out of date, and the
> upstream maintainer of the software has said that no one should be
> using it, but the maintainer of the FreeBSD port has so far been
> unwilling to update it.
>
> ...
>
>>And dmesg shows:
>>acd0: FAILURE - READ_BUFFER ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x24 ascq=0x00
>>acd0: FAILURE - MODE_SELECT_BIG ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x26 ascq=0x00
>
> It is not unusual for some errors to appear, even during normal
> operation, so these don't necessarily indicate a problem, although it
> was good that you posted them.  You should run the cdrecord command
> with -vv (yes, two v's) to get verbose error messages from cdrecord.
> This should give you a better idea of why cdrecord is failing.  If the
> error messages from -vv are not enough, you can also add -VV, although
> this affects the timing of the operations, and should be used with
> care when recording.
>
> I have had problems like this in the past, when a disk was corrupted,
> and cdrecord balked at blanking it.  I used blank=all with either the
> -immed flag, or the -force flag, or both, to solve the problems.

Honestly I didn't think this was the problem, but it seems I've had a
bad virgin CD set.
Two of them (of a set of 5) seem to work fine. I can write, rewrite
and blank them.

Aaarrghh! sorry for the noise. Nevertheless, I will try to update to
cdrtools-devel since I have cdrtools installed

Thanks to all of you.

>
> If you are using cdrtools, you should probably use the cd(4) driver
> together with atapicam(4), rather than the acd(4) driver.  To prevent
> possible problems, it is safer to prevent both drivers from attaching
> to the same device.  I usually remove:
>
> device atapicd
>
> from my kernel, and just use:
>
> device ata
> device atapicam
> device scbus
> device cd
> device pass
>
> I don't know whether it is possible to disable the acd(4) driver using
> just loader.conf(5), device.hints(5), or some other means at boot- or
> run-time, but you could look into that if you don't want to go to the
> trouble of removing it from your kernel.


>
> b.
>
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High Point Rocket Raid 1740

[Jason Garrett]

High Point Rocket Raid 1740...

Is this a fakeraid card?

A good raid card?

What are your experiences with this card...
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script to send out a dozen letters?

[Gary Kline]

if there are tools to do this, please point me at them, but i
want to send out a snail and/or email|HTML|whatever to a handful
of companies that i hope to find online.

I'm guessing the inside address would me something like

Company Name
Address
Company Email

Attn Mr. Smith:

[my canned letter]


i forget if the inside address is before the recipient
address--I *think* so.   is there a way of having date output
the format "15 August, 2009" rather than my usual, 15aug09?

I am pretty sure these people are most accustomed to GUI/html 
mail, so is there a way of invoking evo with html capability?

if there are web pointers on this, puleeze clue me in!

thanks much,

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Re: bwi driver

[Eitan Adler]

On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Eitan Adler wrote:
>
>> You really should post the full pciconf(8) and dmesg(8) for us, as well
>> as kldstat(8) -v.
I sent an email previously which may have been caught by some spam
filters as having too many links so I'm resending this.
The links include dmesg, kldstat -v, and pciconf -lv
https://groups.google.com/group/lucky.freebsd.questions/msg/4cd06e29318614ce
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Re: script to send out a dozen letters?

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2009-08-15 16:49:24, schrieb Gary Kline:
>   i forget if the inside address is before the recipient
>   address--I *think* so.   is there a way of having date output
>   the format "15 August, 2009" rather than my usual, 15aug09?

date "+%d %B %Y"

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mouse not working - X or console

[Eitan Adler]

On my Lenovo G530 the mouse does not work in X or with moused.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834146534 for
laptop specs.
My laptop's dmesg output: http://pastebin.com/f7500570e
AllowEmptyInput is on.
The keyboard is not frozen in X as I am able to get to the other VTYs.


(mouse+X+


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Re: mouse not working - X or console

[Adam Vande More]

On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Eitan Adler wrote:

> On my Lenovo G530 the mouse does not work in X or with moused.
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834146534 for
> laptop specs.
> My laptop's dmesg output: http://pastebin.com/f7500570e
> AllowEmptyInput is on.
> The keyboard is not frozen in X as I am able to get to the other VTYs.
>
> (mouse+X+
>
> --
> Eitan Adler
>
>
Do you have

moused_enable="YES"

in /etc/rc.conf?

Do you have xorg drivers installed for kb and mouse?

eg

xf86-input-keyboard-1.3.2_2
xf86-input-mouse-1.4.0_6

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Re: script to send out a dozen letters?

[Adam Vande More]

On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Gary Kline  wrote:

>
>if there are tools to do this, please point me at them, but i
>want to send out a snail and/or email|HTML|whatever to a handful
>of companies that i hope to find online.
>
>I'm guessing the inside address would me something like
>
>Company Name
>Address
>Company Email
>
>Attn Mr. Smith:
>
>[my canned letter]
>
>
>i forget if the inside address is before the recipient
>address--I *think* so.   is there a way of having date output
>the format "15 August, 2009" rather than my usual, 15aug09?
>
>I am pretty sure these people are most accustomed to GUI/html
>mail, so is there a way of invoking evo with html capability?
>
>if there are web pointers on this, puleeze clue me in!
>
>thanks much,
>
>gary
>
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> Unix
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>
> Not entirely clear on you goal here, but if this is a repetitive thing any
of the major scripting lang Perl,PHP,Python etc is easily up to the task.
Otherwise OpenOffice merge works great too once you get the hang of it.


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Re: script to send out a dozen letters?

[Gary Kline]

On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 02:39 +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Am 2009-08-15 16:49:24, schrieb Gary Kline:
> > i forget if the inside address is before the recipient
> > address--I *think* so.   is there a way of having date output
> > the format "15 August, 2009" rather than my usual, 15aug09?
> 
> date "+%d %B %Y"

Yup!   super, dank,

gary
  
> 
> Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
> Michelle Konzack
> Systemadministrator
> Tamay Dogan Network
> Debian GNU/Linux Consultant
> 

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Re: script to send out a dozen letters?

[Gary Kline]

On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 10:07:15PM -0500, Adam Vande More wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Gary Kline  wrote:
> 
> >
> >if there are tools to do this, please point me at them, but i
> >want to send out a snail and/or email|HTML|whatever to a handful
> >of companies that i hope to find online.
> >
> >I'm guessing the inside address would me something like
> >
> >Company Name
> >Address
> >Company Email
> >
> >Attn Mr. Smith:
> >
> >[my canned letter]
> >
> >
> >i forget if the inside address is before the recipient
> >address--I *think* so.   is there a way of having date output
> >the format "15 August, 2009" rather than my usual, 15aug09?
> >
> >I am pretty sure these people are most accustomed to GUI/html
> >mail, so is there a way of invoking evo with html capability?
> >
> >if there are web pointers on this, puleeze clue me in!
> >
> >thanks much,
> >
> >gary
> >
> > --
> >  Gary Kline  kl...@thought.org  http://www.thought.org  Public Service
> > Unix
> >http://jottings.thought.org   http://transfinite.thought.org
> >
> > Not entirely clear on you goal here, but if this is a repetitive thing any
> of the major scripting lang Perl,PHP,Python etc is easily up to the task.
> Otherwise OpenOffice merge works great too once you get the hang of it.
> 

i'm thinking of a /bin/sh script.  if $1@ caputures a whole line,
that would grab, say 

123 Main Street

and $2@ would grab

York, PA 12345-6789



Actually, I'm trying to figure out something I can reuse if and
when necessary, including applying for a JOB!!  whatever

tx,

gary




> 
> -- 
> Adam Vande More

-- 
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http://jottings.thought.org   http://transfinite.thought.org

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Re: mouse not working - X or console

[Eitan Adler]

> /var/log/Xorg.0.log would be help as well.
http://pastebin.com/f30f93edb


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Re: mouse not working - X or console

[Eitan Adler]

> Do you have
> 
> moused_enable="YES"
> 
> in /etc/rc.conf?
> 
> Do you have xorg drivers installed for kb and mouse?
> 
> eg
> 
> xf86-input-keyboard-1.3.2_2
> xf86-input-mouse-1.4.0_6
> 

After some work on IRC I got to the following:
I have X compiled WITH hald.
dbus and hald are enabled and running
All relevant drivers are installed.
/dev/sysmouse exists.

The mouse works for a tiny bit and then fails.

Its a laptop mouse - but it might be connected to the USB bus; 8.0 has
better support for USB so I'm running freebsd-update currently to
determine if it fixes the problem.


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Re: mouse not working - X or console

[Adam Vande More]

On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Eitan Adler wrote:

> > Do you have
> >
> > moused_enable="YES"
> >
> > in /etc/rc.conf?
> >
> > Do you have xorg drivers installed for kb and mouse?
> >
> > eg
> >
> > xf86-input-keyboard-1.3.2_2
> > xf86-input-mouse-1.4.0_6
> >
>
> After some work on IRC I got to the following:
> I have X compiled WITH hald.
> dbus and hald are enabled and running
> All relevant drivers are installed.
> /dev/sysmouse exists.
>
> The mouse works for a tiny bit and then fails.
>
> Its a laptop mouse - but it might be connected to the USB bus; 8.0 has
> better support for USB so I'm running freebsd-update currently to
> determine if it fixes the problem.
>
> --
> Eitan Adler
>
>
/var/log/Xorg.0.log would be help as well.

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Re: script to send out a dozen letters?

[Tim Kellers]

Gary Kline wrote:

On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 10:07:15PM -0500, Adam Vande More wrote:
  

On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Gary Kline  wrote:



   if there are tools to do this, please point me at them, but i
   want to send out a snail and/or email|HTML|whatever to a handful
   of companies that i hope to find online.

   I'm guessing the inside address would me something like

   Company Name
   Address
   Company Email

   Attn Mr. Smith:

   [my canned letter]


   i forget if the inside address is before the recipient
   address--I *think* so.   is there a way of having date output
   the format "15 August, 2009" rather than my usual, 15aug09?

   I am pretty sure these people are most accustomed to GUI/html
   mail, so is there a way of invoking evo with html capability?

   if there are web pointers on this, puleeze clue me in!

   thanks much,

   gary

--
 Gary Kline  kl...@thought.org  http://www.thought.org  Public Service
Unix
   http://jottings.thought.org   http://transfinite.thought.org

Not entirely clear on you goal here, but if this is a repetitive thing any
  

of the major scripting lang Perl,PHP,Python etc is easily up to the task.
Otherwise OpenOffice merge works great too once you get the hang of it.




i'm thinking of a /bin/sh script.  if $1@ caputures a whole line,
	that would grab, say 


123 Main Street

and $2@ would grab

York, PA 12345-6789



Actually, I'm trying to figure out something I can reuse if and
when necessary, including applying for a JOB!!  whatever

tx,

gary




  

--
Adam Vande More



  
t may be a bit of overkill, but you might want to take a look at a 
customer relationship manager (CRM).  Both vtiger and sugarcrm are in 
ports (the lastest version of vtiger 5.1 is not yet in the ports, but it 
is a snap ti install, anyway).  You have the ability to maintain 
Contacts and Leads, create merged e-mail templates and other custom 
templates in vtiger, and it is so flexible you can hack up the code to 
make it do just about anything you can think of without going nuts 
trying to figure out how the program does what it does.  You need 
Apache, php5 with some simple extensions, and MySQL (PostgresQL is 
coming soon). vtiger 5.1 also has an html e-mal editor built in and 
produces very servicable output.


Leads would be your job prospects, Contacts would be your Leads that 
actually produced a dialogue.  I've adapted it to handle Student 
marketing enquiries and do customized bulk e-mailings where I work and 
it is very easy to set-up and use.


Tim Kellers
CPE/NJIT
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