Re: Raw sockets in jails

2010-01-25 Thread Tim Judd
On 1/25/10, Nathan Butcher  wrote:
> Thanks for the link. That clears a few things up, but not quite what I'm
> trying to achieve.I set the following in rc.conf for a jail called "test"
>
> jail_test_flags="allow.raw_sockets"
>
> then I start the test jail with
>
> # /etc/rc.d/jail start test
>
> ... and then I get the following cryptic response...
>
> Configuring jails:.
> Starting jails: cannot start jail "test":
> But it doesn't look like one.
> .
>
> ... and the jail doesn't start.
> What's the story there?


allowing raw sockets to a jail is a sysctl


sysctl -a | grep "jail."

the raw sockets tunable should easily be found.  make the change
permanent by editing/adding it to /etc/sysctl.conf


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Re: Raw sockets in jails

2010-01-25 Thread Nathan Butcher
Thanks for the link. That clears a few things up, but not quite what I'm
trying to achieve.I set the following in rc.conf for a jail called "test"

jail_test_flags="allow.raw_sockets"

then I start the test jail with

# /etc/rc.d/jail start test

... and then I get the following cryptic response...

Configuring jails:.
Starting jails: cannot start jail "test":
But it doesn't look like one.
.

... and the jail doesn't start.
What's the story there?

On 1/26/2010 12:29 AM, Adam Vande More wrote:
> 2010/1/24 Nathan Butcher 
> 
>> I'm just curious as to whether FreeBSD8.0 can support raw sockets on
>> some jails and not on others.
>>
>> I'm trying to find the jail flags to allow this to happen. Not having
>> much luck.
>> Any ideas?
>>
>>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-j...@freebsd.org/msg00978.html
> 
> 


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Re: Loader, MBR and the boot process

2010-01-25 Thread Robert Noland
On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 09:45 +, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> Andriy Gapon wrote:
> > on 25/01/2010 04:41 Robert Noland said the following:
> >> On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 07:57 +1100, Mark Andrews wrote:
> >>>  offset  The offset of the start of the partition from the beginning 
> >>> of
> >>>  the drive in sectors, or * to have bsdlabel calculate the 
> >>> correct
> >>>  offset to use (the end of the previous partition plus one, 
> >>> ignor-
> >>>  ing partition `c'.  For partition `c', * will be interpreted 
> >>> as
> >>>  an offset of 0.  The first partition should start at offset 
> >>> 16,
> >>>  because the first 16 sectors are reserved for metadata.
> >> Ok, now this has my attention... My gut feeling right now is that this
> >> is a bug in geom_part_bsd.  I don't understand why the label isn't
> >> protected.  (Adding -b 16 when adding the swap partition fixes this)
> >> Another project to goes on my list...
> >>
> >> If anyone knows why this is done like this... please share.
> > 
> > I presume that this is for purely historic reasons.
> > 
> 
> I believe this has been known about since 5.x days:
> 
>http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=72812
> 
> As far as I recall, sometime around 6.1-RELEASE this should have been
> fixed.  It certainly seems to be the case that it is harmless to have 
> a plain swap partition start at offset 0, but anything else, like encrypted
> swap or putting a filesystem there needs the 16 sector offset.

When the first partition (whatever it is), starts at offset 0, if you dd
into that partition you wipe out the label entirely, which just doesn't
make sense to me.  Trying to manage this in the file system code and the
swap pager or whatever other consumer might make use of the partition
seems like madness to me.

robert.

>   Cheers,
> 
>   Matthew
> 
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Re: Help booting FreeBSD with a ZFS root filesystem

2010-01-25 Thread George Liaskos
I had the same issue because i forgot to copy the zpool.cache under
/zroot/boot/zfs.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:31 PM, Ross Penner  wrote:
> I'm trying to set up a system using ZFS as the root filesystem. I
> followed this guide: (http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot).
> Everything went swimmingly until I rebooted and the system failed to
> load.
>
> output:
>
> FreeBSD/i386 bootstrap loader, Revision 1.1
> (root@, Mon Jan 25 13:03:11 UTC 2010)
> \
> can't load 'kernel'
>
> Type '?' for a list of command, 'help' for more detailed help.
> OK
>
>
> I used the memstick 8.0-Release. Can anybody suggest what could have
> gone wrong, or how I could find out what could have gone wrong?
>
> Thank you for any help
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Re: SU

2010-01-25 Thread Jon Radel

Shone Russell wrote:

I am not able to execute any commands when I utilize the su function, I
am entering our correct password. It was working on Friday, but now it's
not. 


Please let us know exactly what you're entering (without the password, 
of course) and what the results are.  Do you get an error message?  Does 
it hang?  What?


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Re: can't load smbfs kernel module

2010-01-25 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 09:56:54PM +, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:38:47AM -0600, Kevin Kinsey wrote:
> > Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
> > > This is on FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT #0 r202964M ia64
> > > 
> > > I've built a kernel with smbfs module:
> > > 
> > > # ls -al /boot/kernel/smb*
> > > -r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  265579 25 Jan 13:36 /boot/kernel/smbfs.ko
> > > -r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  680186 25 Jan 13:36 
> > > /boot/kernel/smbfs.ko.symbols
> > > 
> > > but can't load it:
> > > 
> > > # kldload smbfs
> > > kldload: can't load smbfs: No such file or directory
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Other modules load fine with kldload, e.g.:
> > 
> > Does it make any difference to use the ".ko" extension, to
> > call it by absolute path, or to use "-v" for more information,
> > per The Friendly Manual?
> 
> no, doesn't make any difference:
> 
> # kldload -v /boot/kernel/smbfs.ko
> kldload: can't load /boot/kernel/smbfs.ko: No such file or directory
> #
> 
> but I see in /var/log/messages:
> 
>  kernel: KLD smbfs.ko: depends on libiconv - not available or version mismatch
> 
> I've rebuilt world, rebuilt and reinstalled kernel, installed world,
> and merged, etc., including rm -rf /usr/obj/* , so there shouldn't
> be any version mismatch.
> 
> Is there a way to debug this further?

well.. maybe this is irrelevant, but I disovered that
there is actually a module libiconv, despite the fact that
there are already libiconv lib built with the base OS:

> ls -al /usr/local/lib/libiconv.*
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  1113476  4 Aug 22:40 /usr/local/lib/libiconv.a
-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel  920  4 Aug 22:40 /usr/local/lib/libiconv.la
lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel   13  4 Aug 22:40 /usr/local/lib/libiconv.so -> 
libiconv.so.3
-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel  1102764  4 Aug 22:40 /usr/local/lib/libiconv.so.3

Anyway, I've built the libiconv module, and loaded it
to the kernel, but still get the same error trying
to load smbfs.


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Re: FreeBSD sources from svn repos

2010-01-25 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:51:26 +, Masoom Shaikh  
wrote:
> Hi List,
>
> I am confused about FreeBSD versions maintained in svn repos
>
> 1. http://svn.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.0/
> 2. http://svn.freebsd.org/base/release/8.0.0/
> 3. http://svn.freebsd.org/base/stable/8/
>
> (2) is easy, most probably it means stable
>
> how about (1) and (2)

You got confused a bit.  Here's a slightl better description of all
three paths:

http://svn.freebsd.org/base/stable/8/

This is the same as the tag RELENG_8 in CVS.  It is the 'stable
branch' and is receiving commits that are in all the branches of the
8.X series.

http://svn.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.0/

This is the 'security branch' for release 8.0.  The security-officer
takes over this branch when our release engineer are done with the
preparation of the 8.0-RELEASE.  This is essentially the same as the
RELENG_8_0 branch in CVS.

http://svn.freebsd.org/base/release/8.0.0/

This is essentially a 'tag'.  It is a copy of the stable/8 branch at
the point where the 8.0-RELEASE was cut.  This is the same as the
RELENG_8_0_0_RELEASE tag in CVS.

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Re: 8.0-RELEASE/amd64 - full ZFS install - low read and write disk performance

2010-01-25 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On Tue, 26 Jan 2010, Dan Naumov wrote:
> CPU-performance-wise, I am not really worried. The current system is
> an Atom 330 and even that is a bit overkill for what I do with it and
> from what I am seeing, the new Atom D510 used on those boards is a
> tiny bit faster. What I want and care about for this system are
> reliability, stability, low power use, quietness and fast disk
> read/write speeds. I've been hearing some praise of ICH9R and 6
> native SATA ports should be enough for my needs. AFAIK, the Intel
> 82574L network cards included on those are also very well supported?

You might want to consider an Athlon (maybe underclock it) - the AMD IXP 
700/800 south bridge seems to work well with FreeBSD (in my 
experience).

These boards (eg Gigabyte GA-MA785GM-US2H) have 6 SATA ports (one may be 
eSATA though) and PATA, they seem ideal really.. You can use PATA with 
CF to boot and connect 5 disks plus a DVD drive.

The CPU is not fanless however, but the other stuff is, on the plus side 
you won't have to worry about CPU power :)

Also, the onboard video works well with radeonhd and is quite fast.

One other downside is the onboard network isn't great (Realtek) but I 
put an em card in mine.

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SU

2010-01-25 Thread Shone Russell
I am not able to execute any commands when I utilize the su function, I
am entering our correct password. It was working on Friday, but now it's
not. Also can you tell me how to install the module for Bacula, or
Amanda I keep getting an error message that module.info is missing. My
phone number is 973-244-0555 ext 39

 

Thanks

FreeBSD WEB01 7.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE #0: Thu Jan  1 14:37:25
UTC 2009 r...@logan.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
i386

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Re: Help booting FreeBSD with a ZFS root filesystem

2010-01-25 Thread Elias Chrysocheris
On Monday 25 of January 2010 23:31:26 Ross Penner wrote:
> I'm trying to set up a system using ZFS as the root filesystem. I
> followed this guide: (http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot).
> Everything went swimmingly until I rebooted and the system failed to
> load.
> 
> output:
> 
> FreeBSD/i386 bootstrap loader, Revision 1.1
> (root@, Mon Jan 25 13:03:11 UTC 2010)
> \
> can't load 'kernel'
> 
> Type '?' for a list of command, 'help' for more detailed help.
> OK
> 
> 
> I used the memstick 8.0-Release. Can anybody suggest what could have
> gone wrong, or how I could find out what could have gone wrong?
> 
> Thank you for any help
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It seems that the system cannot mount the ZFS partition properly and see the 
/boot/kernel. Can you boot using fixit console, kldload the opensolaris and zfs 
modules and see if you have everything configured properly (like loader.conf, 
etc., set the mountpoint of the zfs partition to legacy and zpool set 
bootfs=zroot zroot)?
Remember that the zfs pool is there, so zpool list first and if you can see the 
pool, import it.
Actually I'm not a zfs geek, but these are the first steps I would follow to 
"debug" the problem. I've used the same guide to make my system a zfs-only 
system and everything went fine. I didn't install a new FreeBSD system but I 
dump-restored my existing one...

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options IPFIREWALL and IPDIVERT or loader.conf?

2010-01-25 Thread John
I guess I can either pre-buuild a kernel with options IPFIREWALL
and IPDIVERT, or I can load them via loader.conf.  Why would
I not always do the latter?  Is there any advantage to pre-linking them?

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Help booting FreeBSD with a ZFS root filesystem

2010-01-25 Thread Ross Penner
I'm trying to set up a system using ZFS as the root filesystem. I
followed this guide: (http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot).
Everything went swimmingly until I rebooted and the system failed to
load.

output:

FreeBSD/i386 bootstrap loader, Revision 1.1
(root@, Mon Jan 25 13:03:11 UTC 2010)
\
can't load 'kernel'

Type '?' for a list of command, 'help' for more detailed help.
OK


I used the memstick 8.0-Release. Can anybody suggest what could have
gone wrong, or how I could find out what could have gone wrong?

Thank you for any help
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Re: can't load smbfs kernel module

2010-01-25 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:38:47AM -0600, Kevin Kinsey wrote:
> Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
> > This is on FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT #0 r202964M ia64
> > 
> > I've built a kernel with smbfs module:
> > 
> > # ls -al /boot/kernel/smb*
> > -r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  265579 25 Jan 13:36 /boot/kernel/smbfs.ko
> > -r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  680186 25 Jan 13:36 /boot/kernel/smbfs.ko.symbols
> > 
> > but can't load it:
> > 
> > # kldload smbfs
> > kldload: can't load smbfs: No such file or directory
> > 
> > 
> > Other modules load fine with kldload, e.g.:
> 
> Does it make any difference to use the ".ko" extension, to
> call it by absolute path, or to use "-v" for more information,
> per The Friendly Manual?

no, doesn't make any difference:

# kldload -v /boot/kernel/smbfs.ko
kldload: can't load /boot/kernel/smbfs.ko: No such file or directory
#

but I see in /var/log/messages:

 kernel: KLD smbfs.ko: depends on libiconv - not available or version mismatch

I've rebuilt world, rebuilt and reinstalled kernel, installed world,
and merged, etc., including rm -rf /usr/obj/* , so there shouldn't
be any version mismatch.

Is there a way to debug this further?

> Also, for curiosity, `file /boot/kernel/smbfs.ko`?

seems to be the same as other modules:

# file /boot/kernel/smbfs.ko
/boot/kernel/smbfs.ko: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, IA-64, version 1 
(FreeBSD), dynamically linked, not stripped
# file /boot/kernel/geom_mirror.ko
/boot/kernel/geom_mirror.ko: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, IA-64, version 1 
(FreeBSD), dynamically linked, not stripped
# 

many thanks
anton


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Re: 8.0-RELEASE/amd64 - full ZFS install - low read and write disk performance

2010-01-25 Thread Chris Whitehouse

Alexander Motin wrote:

Chris Whitehouse wrote:

Dan Naumov wrote:

CPU-performance-wise, I am not really worried. The current system is
an Atom 330 and even that is a bit overkill for what I do with it and
from what I am seeing, the new Atom D510 used on those boards is a
tiny bit faster. What I want and care about for this system are
reliability, stability, low power use, quietness and fast disk
read/write speeds. I've been hearing some praise of ICH9R and 6 native
SATA ports should be enough for my needs. AFAIK, the Intel 82574L
network cards included on those are also very well supported?

These might be interesting then
www.fit-pc.com
The Intel US15W SCH chipset or System Controller Hub as it's called is
mentioned in hardware notes for 8.0R and 7.2R but only for snd_hda, I
don't know if this means other functions are supported or not. This
thread says it is supported
http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-i386/2010/01/03/msg001695.html


Intel US15W (SCH) chipset heavily stripped and tuned for netbooks. It
has no SATA, only one PATA channel. It is mostly supported by FreeBSD,
but with exception of video, which makes it close to useless. it has
only one benefit - low power consumption.

The intel spec sheet does say single PATA but according to the fit-pc 
website it has SATA and miniSD. Still as you say without video support 
it's not much use, which is useful to know as I had been looking at 
these. Ok I will go away now :O


Chris
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Re: 8.0-RELEASE/amd64 - full ZFS install - low read and write disk performance

2010-01-25 Thread Alexander Motin
Chris Whitehouse wrote:
> Dan Naumov wrote:
>>
>> CPU-performance-wise, I am not really worried. The current system is
>> an Atom 330 and even that is a bit overkill for what I do with it and
>> from what I am seeing, the new Atom D510 used on those boards is a
>> tiny bit faster. What I want and care about for this system are
>> reliability, stability, low power use, quietness and fast disk
>> read/write speeds. I've been hearing some praise of ICH9R and 6 native
>> SATA ports should be enough for my needs. AFAIK, the Intel 82574L
>> network cards included on those are also very well supported?
> 
> These might be interesting then
> www.fit-pc.com
> The Intel US15W SCH chipset or System Controller Hub as it's called is
> mentioned in hardware notes for 8.0R and 7.2R but only for snd_hda, I
> don't know if this means other functions are supported or not. This
> thread says it is supported
> http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-i386/2010/01/03/msg001695.html

Intel US15W (SCH) chipset heavily stripped and tuned for netbooks. It
has no SATA, only one PATA channel. It is mostly supported by FreeBSD,
but with exception of video, which makes it close to useless. it has
only one benefit - low power consumption.

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Re: sysinstall and the Right Terminal

2010-01-25 Thread Thomas Dickey
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 09:25:21AM -0600, Martin McCormick wrote:
> Thomas Dickey writes:
> > "Terminal" would probably be one of the programs using VTE,
> > which differs from "linux".
> 
>   This is all very interesting. Thanks to all. What I
> normally do is start a command-line shell on a Debian Linux box.
> This defaults to a "linux" console. When I ssh somewhere, ssh
> passes the exported $TERM value to the remote host so as I
> understand it, it will use this value in the environment that it
> exports to any application called from that shell. The question
> is whether or not all the escape codes it sends to address the
> terminal and all the escape sequences it looks for to represent
> arrow keys, etc, will still work. 

It should - the remote machine "should" have the same terminal description.

Your local machine however may have initialized the Linux console to expect
UTF-8 encoding, and the remote machine may not know about that.  Line-
drawing wouldn't work properly in that case, but cursor-movement and
keys should.
 
>   The best results, so far, are with using cons25 as the
> TERM value. The Up and Down arrows work right as opposed to going
> right straight to X Exit this menu.

My first impression was that it could be a disagreement between the two
machine whether cursor-application mode is set.  That changes the escape
sequence sent by the cursor-keys.

However, ncurses' descriptions for both say they're using
normal (non-application) mode.  So that doesn't seem to explain it.

It's also possible that the screensize isn't being transmitted (and
"stty -a" would show if it's really 25 lines or not).

> 
>   I appreciate all the input because in this game,
> knowledge is the power to fix it.
> 
> Martin McCormick
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Re: Problem with GnuPG

2010-01-25 Thread Chad Perrin
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 06:58:17AM -0500, Jerry wrote:
> 
> OK, I posted this on the 'GnuPG' list earlier; however, since you
> requested further info, here it is.

Thanks.


> 
> This is the file that apparently GPA is loading that has those pesky
> 'certs':
> 
> /usr/local/share/gnupg
> 
> -r--r--r--1 root  wheel27K Jan 20 22:43 com-certs.pem
> 
> I renamed the file, deleted those "~/.gnupg/*.kbx" files and restarted
> GPA and the problem went away.
> 
> Apparently, GnuPG does have support for X.509 certificates. I have been
> reading through the documentation -- info gnupg -- to discover its full
> potential and usage. In any case, it apparently is configurable. I am
> not sure what that is, or if I inadvertently turned it on. I am still
> working on that phase of debugging.

Interesting.  I've been using GnuPG all this time, and I had no idea
GnuPG itself supported X.509 certs.

In retrospect, I guess it makes sense to support X.509 certificates for
an OpenPGP application, since some CAs are starting to use OpenPGP for
authentication.


> 
> I have GnuPG working with 'claws-mail' now though. For whatever reason,
> the plug-in that claws-mail uses for GnuPG was unloaded. I don't know
> why; I certainly never did it. In any case, after reloading it,
> claws-mail works again with GnuPG. I wouldn't doubt that there is some
> sort of gnomish bug lurking around, though I doubt that I will ever
> discover its existence.

Is it possible you uninstalled GnuPG and GPA while trying to get rid of
those certs you saw in GPA, then reinstalled, and didn't realize the
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Re: 8.0-RELEASE/amd64 - full ZFS install - low read and write disk performance

2010-01-25 Thread Chris Whitehouse

Dan Naumov wrote:


CPU-performance-wise, I am not really worried. The current system is
an Atom 330 and even that is a bit overkill for what I do with it and
from what I am seeing, the new Atom D510 used on those boards is a
tiny bit faster. What I want and care about for this system are
reliability, stability, low power use, quietness and fast disk
read/write speeds. I've been hearing some praise of ICH9R and 6 native
SATA ports should be enough for my needs. AFAIK, the Intel 82574L
network cards included on those are also very well supported?



These might be interesting then
www.fit-pc.com
The Intel US15W SCH chipset or System Controller Hub as it's called is
mentioned in hardware notes for 8.0R and 7.2R but only for snd_hda, I
don't know if this means other functions are supported or not. This
thread says it is supported
http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-i386/2010/01/03/msg001695.html

Chris

ps I removed some of the recipients from the recipients list as my 
original post was held for moderation because of "Too many recipients to 
the message"



- Sincerely,
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Re: Intel D510MO Mini-ITX Motherboard - Is anyone using FreeBSD on this?

2010-01-25 Thread Roland Smith
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:46:57AM -0800, Charlie Kester wrote:
> On Mon 25 Jan 2010 at 03:14:42 PST Dan Naumov wrote:
> >Not to steal your discussion thread, but I thought I'd ask (and you'd
> >perhaps too be interested) what's the status of FreeBSD on these 2:
> >
> >Supermicro X7SPA-H:
> >http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/ATOM/ICH9/X7SPA.cfm?typ=H
> >Supermicro X7SPA-HF:
> >http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/ATOM/ICH9/X7SPA.cfm?typ=H&IPMI=Y
> >
> >Supermicro recently came out with quite a bunch of Atom-based
> >solutions and these 2 boards stuck out as havign 6 x SATA ports, which
> >make them tempting for a NAS solution.
> 
> Interesting.  But I don't have any need for the extra SATA ports.  Are
> there any other significant differences between the ICH9 chipset and the
> NM10 used on the D510MO?

Well, ICH9 definitely works with FreeBSD in my laptop. :-)

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Re: Intel D510MO Mini-ITX Motherboard - Is anyone using FreeBSD on this?

2010-01-25 Thread Charlie Kester

On Mon 25 Jan 2010 at 03:14:42 PST Dan Naumov wrote:

Not to steal your discussion thread, but I thought I'd ask (and you'd
perhaps too be interested) what's the status of FreeBSD on these 2:

Supermicro X7SPA-H:
http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/ATOM/ICH9/X7SPA.cfm?typ=H
Supermicro X7SPA-HF:
http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/ATOM/ICH9/X7SPA.cfm?typ=H&IPMI=Y

Supermicro recently came out with quite a bunch of Atom-based
solutions and these 2 boards stuck out as havign 6 x SATA ports, which
make them tempting for a NAS solution.


Interesting.  But I don't have any need for the extra SATA ports.  Are
there any other significant differences between the ICH9 chipset and the
NM10 used on the D510MO?

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Re: 8.0-RELEASE/amd64 - full ZFS install - low read and write disk performance

2010-01-25 Thread Dan Naumov
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Alexander Motin  wrote:
> Dan Naumov wrote:
>> Alexander, since you seem to be experienced in the area, what do you
>> think of these 2 for use in a FreeBSD8 ZFS NAS:
>>
>> http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/ATOM/ICH9/X7SPA.cfm?typ=H
>> http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/ATOM/ICH9/X7SPA.cfm?typ=H&IPMI=Y
>
> Unluckily I haven't yet touched Atom family close yet, so I can't say
> about it's performance. But higher desktop level (even bit old) ICH9R
> chipset there is IMHO a good option. It is MUCH better then ICH7, often
> used with previous Atoms. If I had nice small Mini-ITX case with 6 drive
> bays, I would definitely look for some board like that to build home
> storage.
>
> --
> Alexander Motin

CPU-performance-wise, I am not really worried. The current system is
an Atom 330 and even that is a bit overkill for what I do with it and
from what I am seeing, the new Atom D510 used on those boards is a
tiny bit faster. What I want and care about for this system are
reliability, stability, low power use, quietness and fast disk
read/write speeds. I've been hearing some praise of ICH9R and 6 native
SATA ports should be enough for my needs. AFAIK, the Intel 82574L
network cards included on those are also very well supported?

- Sincerely,
Dan Naumov
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Re: 8.0-RELEASE/amd64 - full ZFS install - low read and write disk performance

2010-01-25 Thread Alexander Motin
Dan Naumov wrote:
> Alexander, since you seem to be experienced in the area, what do you
> think of these 2 for use in a FreeBSD8 ZFS NAS:
> 
> http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/ATOM/ICH9/X7SPA.cfm?typ=H
> http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/ATOM/ICH9/X7SPA.cfm?typ=H&IPMI=Y

Unluckily I haven't yet touched Atom family close yet, so I can't say
about it's performance. But higher desktop level (even bit old) ICH9R
chipset there is IMHO a good option. It is MUCH better then ICH7, often
used with previous Atoms. If I had nice small Mini-ITX case with 6 drive
bays, I would definitely look for some board like that to build home
storage.

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Re: 8.0-RELEASE/amd64 - full ZFS install - low read and write disk performance

2010-01-25 Thread Dan Naumov
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Alexander Motin  wrote:
> Artem Belevich wrote:
>> aoc-sat2-mv8 was somewhat slower compared to ICH9 or LSI1068
>> controllers when I tried it with 6 and 8 disks.
>> I think the problem is that MV8 only does 32K per transfer and that
>> does seem to matter when you have 8 drives hooked up to it. I don't
>> have hard numbers, but peak throughput of MV8 with 8-disk raidz2 was
>> noticeably lower than that of LSI1068 in the same configuration. Both
>> LSI1068 and MV2 were on the same PCI-X bus. It could be a driver
>> limitation. The driver for Marvel SATA controllers in NetBSD seems a
>> bit more advanced compared to what's in FreeBSD.
>
> I also wouldn't recommend to use Marvell 88SXx0xx controllers now. While
> potentially they are interesting, lack of documentation and numerous
> hardware bugs make existing FreeBSD driver very limited there.
>
>> I wish intel would make cheap multi-port PCIe SATA card based on their
>> AHCI controllers.
>
> Indeed. Intel on-board AHCI SATA controllers are fastest from all I have
> tested. Unluckily, they are not producing discrete versions. :(
>
> Now, if discrete solution is really needed, I would still recommend
> SiI3124, but with proper PCI-X 64bit/133MHz bus or built-in PCIe x8
> bridge. They are fast and have good new siis driver.
>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 3:29 AM, Pete French
>>  wrote:
 I like to use pci-x with aoc-sat2-mv8 cards or pci-e cardsthat way you
 get a lot more bandwidth..
>>> I would goalong with that - I have precisely the same controller, with
>>> a pair of eSATA drives, running ZFS mirrored. But I get a nice 100
>>> meg/second out of them if I try. My controller is, however on PCI-X, not
>>> PCI. It's a shame PCI-X appears to have gone the way of the dinosaur :-(
>
> --
> Alexander Motin

Alexander, since you seem to be experienced in the area, what do you
think of these 2 for use in a FreeBSD8 ZFS NAS:

http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/ATOM/ICH9/X7SPA.cfm?typ=H
http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/ATOM/ICH9/X7SPA.cfm?typ=H&IPMI=Y

- Sincerely,
Dan Naumov
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Re: 8.0-RELEASE/amd64 - full ZFS install - low read and write disk performance

2010-01-25 Thread Alexander Motin
Artem Belevich wrote:
> aoc-sat2-mv8 was somewhat slower compared to ICH9 or LSI1068
> controllers when I tried it with 6 and 8 disks.
> I think the problem is that MV8 only does 32K per transfer and that
> does seem to matter when you have 8 drives hooked up to it. I don't
> have hard numbers, but peak throughput of MV8 with 8-disk raidz2 was
> noticeably lower than that of LSI1068 in the same configuration. Both
> LSI1068 and MV2 were on the same PCI-X bus. It could be a driver
> limitation. The driver for Marvel SATA controllers in NetBSD seems a
> bit more advanced compared to what's in FreeBSD.

I also wouldn't recommend to use Marvell 88SXx0xx controllers now. While
potentially they are interesting, lack of documentation and numerous
hardware bugs make existing FreeBSD driver very limited there.

> I wish intel would make cheap multi-port PCIe SATA card based on their
> AHCI controllers.

Indeed. Intel on-board AHCI SATA controllers are fastest from all I have
tested. Unluckily, they are not producing discrete versions. :(

Now, if discrete solution is really needed, I would still recommend
SiI3124, but with proper PCI-X 64bit/133MHz bus or built-in PCIe x8
bridge. They are fast and have good new siis driver.

> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 3:29 AM, Pete French
>  wrote:
>>> I like to use pci-x with aoc-sat2-mv8 cards or pci-e cardsthat way you
>>> get a lot more bandwidth..
>> I would goalong with that - I have precisely the same controller, with
>> a pair of eSATA drives, running ZFS mirrored. But I get a nice 100
>> meg/second out of them if I try. My controller is, however on PCI-X, not
>> PCI. It's a shame PCI-X appears to have gone the way of the dinosaur :-(

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Re: Thunderbird language should be Swedish but it's not!

2010-01-25 Thread Leslie Jensen



01/25/10 09:11, Leslie Jensen skrev:


On 01/24/10 19:31, Bernt Hansson wrote:



You need thunderbird3-i18n not thunderbird-i18n.




Yes, of course. Unfortunately there's no change, after deinstalling and
rebuilding it's the same behaviour.

Thanks.



Found it! The Swedish language pack is not installed. After downloading 
and installing, Thunderbird is now displaying the right language.

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Re: ipv6 static route.

2010-01-25 Thread Peter Ankerstål

On Jan 25, 2010, at 6:59 PM, Brian A. Seklecki (CFI NOC) wrote:

> On 1/25/2010 12:15 PM, Peter Ankerstål wrote:
>> How do I set a static ipv6 route in rc.conf?
>> 
>> This command works: route add -inet6 -net 2003:16c8:dc1e:2:: -prefixlen 64 
>> 2003:16c8:dc1e::2
>> 
>> and I use this in rc.conf:
>> ipv6_static_routes="2003:16c8:dc1e:2:: -prefixlen 64 2003:16c8:dc1e::2"
>> 
> 
> Do it like IPv4 static routes with an itemized/serialized list:
> 
> ipv6_static_routes="pitbpa0_0 pitbpa0_1 faith_0 faith_1"
> ipv6_route_pitbpa0_0="2607:f000:0010:0100::/56 2607:f000:10::4000"
> ipv6_route_pitbpa0_1="2607:f000:0010:0200::/56 2607:f000:10::4000"
> ipv6_route_faith_0="2607:f000:10:0::: -prefixlen 96 ::1"
> ipv6_route_faith_1="2607:f000:10:0::: -prefixlen 96 -ifp faith0"
> 
> Keep the faith, yea?
> 
> ~BAS
> 
Thanks, I just figured it out too! 

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Re: ipv6 static route.

2010-01-25 Thread Brian A. Seklecki (CFI NOC)

On 1/25/2010 12:15 PM, Peter Ankerstål wrote:

How do I set a static ipv6 route in rc.conf?

This command works: route add -inet6 -net 2003:16c8:dc1e:2:: -prefixlen 64 
2003:16c8:dc1e::2

and I use this in rc.conf:
ipv6_static_routes="2003:16c8:dc1e:2:: -prefixlen 64 2003:16c8:dc1e::2"



Do it like IPv4 static routes with an itemized/serialized list:

 ipv6_static_routes="pitbpa0_0 pitbpa0_1 faith_0 faith_1"
 ipv6_route_pitbpa0_0="2607:f000:0010:0100::/56 2607:f000:10::4000"
 ipv6_route_pitbpa0_1="2607:f000:0010:0200::/56 2607:f000:10::4000"
 ipv6_route_faith_0="2607:f000:10:0::: -prefixlen 96 ::1"
 ipv6_route_faith_1="2607:f000:10:0::: -prefixlen 96 -ifp faith0"

Keep the faith, yea?

~BAS



but it does not set the correct routes.
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Re: 8.0-RELEASE/amd64 - full ZFS install - low read and write disk performance

2010-01-25 Thread Artem Belevich
aoc-sat2-mv8 was somewhat slower compared to ICH9 or LSI1068
controllers when I tried it with 6 and 8 disks.
I think the problem is that MV8 only does 32K per transfer and that
does seem to matter when you have 8 drives hooked up to it. I don't
have hard numbers, but peak throughput of MV8 with 8-disk raidz2 was
noticeably lower than that of LSI1068 in the same configuration. Both
LSI1068 and MV2 were on the same PCI-X bus. It could be a driver
limitation. The driver for Marvel SATA controllers in NetBSD seems a
bit more advanced compared to what's in FreeBSD.

I wish intel would make cheap multi-port PCIe SATA card based on their
AHCI controllers.

--Artem

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 3:29 AM, Pete French
 wrote:
>> I like to use pci-x with aoc-sat2-mv8 cards or pci-e cardsthat way you
>> get a lot more bandwidth..
>
> I would goalong with that - I have precisely the same controller, with
> a pair of eSATA drives, running ZFS mirrored. But I get a nice 100
> meg/second out of them if I try. My controller is, however on PCI-X, not
> PCI. It's a shame PCI-X appears to have gone the way of the dinosaur :-(
>
> -pete.
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Re: PCIe audio cards: what is tob be preferred with FreeBSD 8.0/9-CURRENT?

2010-01-25 Thread O. Hartmann

On 01/25/10 04:19, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:

"O. Hartmann"  wrote:
   

At this very moment I utilise a M-Audio 5.1 PCI-audio board with
which I'm really satisfied. My next box doesn't have PCI slots
at all ... I look for the Soundblaster X-Fi range of PCIe cards,
 

It's possible to get an adapter that plugs into a PCIe slot and
provides a PCI slot, which might enable you to continue using
your current card.  I've never actually seen one, so don't know
about the mechanics; it could turn out that it can only be used
by leaving the cover off of the box :(
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I gues this is he worst scenario I can imagine.

I'd ike to spend some money on a new audio card adapted for PCIe, but it 
should have support both in FreeBSD and Windows. For mplayer/vlc and so 
forth my M-Audio audio quality was great. This level should be kept in 
FreeBSD.


Regards
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ipv6 static route.

2010-01-25 Thread Peter Ankerstål
How do I set a static ipv6 route in rc.conf?

This command works: route add -inet6 -net 2003:16c8:dc1e:2:: -prefixlen 64 
2003:16c8:dc1e::2

and I use this in rc.conf:
ipv6_static_routes="2003:16c8:dc1e:2:: -prefixlen 64 2003:16c8:dc1e::2"

but it does not set the correct routes.
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Re: Re : polkit-0.95_3: update fails

2010-01-25 Thread O. Hartmann

On 01/25/10 06:35, Alexandre L. wrote:

You could read /usr/ports/UPDATING because there is section for policikit and 
polkit.

--- En date de : Ven 22.1.10, O. Hartmann  a 
écrit :

   

De: O. Hartmann
Objet: polkit-0.95_3: update fails
À: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-po...@freebsd.org
Date: Vendredi 22 Janvier 2010, 15h45
I try to update ports via 'portmaster
-av' on a regular basis and ran into a sticky problem with
poolkit and docbook I'm incapable to solve.

Error message follows.

Does anybody has any hint or tip? Please email me in CC.

Regards,
Oliver

===>>>  Starting build for for ports that need
updating<<<===

===>>>  Launching child to update polkit-0.95_3

===>>>  Port directory: /usr/ports/sysutils/polkit
===>>>  Starting check for build dependencies
===>>>  Gathering dependency list for
sysutils/polkit from ports
===>>>  Starting dependency check
===>>>  Checking dependency: devel/eggdbus
===>>>  Checking dependency: devel/gettext
===>>>  Checking dependency: devel/glib20
===>>>  Checking dependency: devel/gmake
===>>>  Checking dependency:
devel/gobject-introspection
===>>>  Checking dependency: devel/pkg-config
===>>>  Checking dependency: textproc/docbook-410
===>>>  Launching child to update
textproc/docbook-410
 polkit-0.95_3>>
textproc/docbook-410

===>>>  Port directory:
/usr/ports/textproc/docbook-410
===>>>  Starting check for build dependencies
===>>>  Gathering dependency list for
textproc/docbook-410 from ports
===>>>  Starting dependency check
===>>>  Checking dependency: archivers/unzip
===>>>  Dependency check complete for
textproc/docbook-410
 polkit-0.95_3>>
textproc/docbook-410
===>   Cleaning for docbook-4.1_3

===>   Vulnerability check disabled, database not
found
===>   Extracting for docbook-4.1_3
=>  MD5 Checksum OK for docbk41.zip.
=>  SHA256 Checksum OK for docbk41.zip.
===>docbook-4.1_3 depends on file:
/usr/local/bin/unzip - found
===>   Patching for docbook-4.1_3
===>   Configuring for docbook-4.1_3

===>>>  Starting check for runtime dependencies
===>>>  Gathering dependency list for
textproc/docbook-410 from ports
===>>>  Starting dependency check
===>>>  Checking dependency: textproc/iso8879
===>>>  Launching child to update textproc/iso8879
 polkit-0.95_3>>
textproc/docbook-410>>  textproc/iso8879

===>>>  Port directory:
/usr/ports/textproc/iso8879
===>>>  Starting check for build dependencies
===>>>  Gathering dependency list for
textproc/iso8879 from ports
===>>>  Starting dependency check
===>>>  Checking dependency: archivers/unzip
===>>>  Dependency check complete for
textproc/iso8879
 polkit-0.95_3>>
textproc/docbook-410>>  textproc/iso8879
===>   Cleaning for iso8879-1986_2

===>   Vulnerability check disabled, database not
found
===>   Extracting for iso8879-1986_2
=>  MD5 Checksum OK for isoENTS.zip.
=>  SHA256 Checksum OK for isoENTS.zip.
===>   Patching for iso8879-1986_2
===>iso8879-1986_2 depends on
executable: unzip - found
===>   Configuring for iso8879-1986_2

===>>>  Starting check for runtime dependencies
===>>>  Gathering dependency list for
textproc/iso8879 from ports
===>>>  Starting dependency check
===>>>  Checking dependency: textproc/xmlcatmgr
===>>>  Dependency check complete for
textproc/iso8879
 polkit-0.95_3>>
textproc/docbook-410>>  textproc/iso8879
===>   Installing for iso8879-1986_2
===>Generating temporary packing list
xmlcatmgr: entry already exists for `iso8879/catalog' of
type `CATALOG'
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/textproc/iso8879.

===>>>  Installation of iso8879-1986_2
(textproc/iso8879) failed
===>>>  Aborting update

===>>>  Update for textproc/iso8879 failed
===>>>  Aborting update

===>>>  Update for textproc/docbook-410 failed
===>>>  Aborting update

===>>>  Update for polkit-0.95_3 failed
===>>>  Aborting update

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Sorry for the noise!
Yes, you're right and I must confess that I looked at this place at last :-(
Next time I will look here the first time.



Oliver
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Re: FreeBSD sources from svn repos

2010-01-25 Thread Kevin Kinsey

RW wrote:

On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:51:26 +
Masoom Shaikh  wrote:


Hi List,

I am confused about FreeBSD versions maintained in svn repos

1. http://svn.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.0/
2. http://svn.freebsd.org/base/release/8.0.0/
3. http://svn.freebsd.org/base/stable/8/

(2) is easy, most probably it means stable


Rather than the one that has "stable" in the url?


how about (1) and (2)


The obvious interpretation is that 3 is stable, 2 is the release, and
1 is the RELENG_8_0 security branch.


But to the initiate :-), remember that the terms can be
confusing.  A RELEASE is extremely "stable" in terms of
operation, most usually, per our reputation (and will never be
changed again).

The RELENG tag means that only security fixes, etc. are
added to the code, and the -STABLE tag refers to the fact
that the API isn't going to change in any substantial way
without developer's heads rolling, most likely, but stuff
is Merged-from-Current (or wherever) fairly continually,
and, as such, is occasionally susceptible to hiccups.

Kevin Kinsey
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pwcview vs permissions

2010-01-25 Thread Steven Friedrich
When I run pwcview as a non-root user, it complains about permissions. The 
perms were 644 on /dev/video0.

I set them to 666 and it works, but what is the intended approach?

Should I just create a device hint?
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Re: can't load smbfs kernel module

2010-01-25 Thread Kevin Kinsey

Anton Shterenlikht wrote:

This is on FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT #0 r202964M ia64

I've built a kernel with smbfs module:

# ls -al /boot/kernel/smb*
-r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  265579 25 Jan 13:36 /boot/kernel/smbfs.ko
-r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  680186 25 Jan 13:36 /boot/kernel/smbfs.ko.symbols

but can't load it:

# kldload smbfs
kldload: can't load smbfs: No such file or directory


Other modules load fine with kldload, e.g.:


Does it make any difference to use the ".ko" extension, to
call it by absolute path, or to use "-v" for more information,
per The Friendly Manual?

Certainly no expert.  Wondering tho, as I don't know if
the kernel maintains a list of "new" objects if they've been
recently added.  Hate to ask if you've done a reboot :-)

Also, for curiosity, `file /boot/kernel/smbfs.ko`?



All I need is to mount an MS WIndows partition to my fbsd box.

Please advise

many thanks
anton

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Re: FreeBSD sources from svn repos

2010-01-25 Thread RW
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:51:26 +
Masoom Shaikh  wrote:

> Hi List,
> 
> I am confused about FreeBSD versions maintained in svn repos
> 
> 1. http://svn.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.0/
> 2. http://svn.freebsd.org/base/release/8.0.0/
> 3. http://svn.freebsd.org/base/stable/8/
> 
> (2) is easy, most probably it means stable

Rather than the one that has "stable" in the url?

> how about (1) and (2)

The obvious interpretation is that 3 is stable, 2 is the release, and
1 is the RELENG_8_0 security branch.
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FreeBSD sources from svn repos

2010-01-25 Thread Masoom Shaikh
Hi List,

I am confused about FreeBSD versions maintained in svn repos

1. http://svn.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.0/
2. http://svn.freebsd.org/base/release/8.0.0/
3. http://svn.freebsd.org/base/stable/8/

(2) is easy, most probably it means stable

how about (1) and (2)
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Re: Raw sockets in jails

2010-01-25 Thread Adam Vande More
2010/1/24 Nathan Butcher 

> I'm just curious as to whether FreeBSD8.0 can support raw sockets on
> some jails and not on others.
>
> I'm trying to find the jail flags to allow this to happen. Not having
> much luck.
> Any ideas?
>
>
http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-j...@freebsd.org/msg00978.html


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Re: sysinstall and the Right Terminal

2010-01-25 Thread Martin McCormick
Thomas Dickey writes:
> "Terminal" would probably be one of the programs using VTE,
> which differs from "linux".

This is all very interesting. Thanks to all. What I
normally do is start a command-line shell on a Debian Linux box.
This defaults to a "linux" console. When I ssh somewhere, ssh
passes the exported $TERM value to the remote host so as I
understand it, it will use this value in the environment that it
exports to any application called from that shell. The question
is whether or not all the escape codes it sends to address the
terminal and all the escape sequences it looks for to represent
arrow keys, etc, will still work. 

The best results, so far, are with using cons25 as the
TERM value. The Up and Down arrows work right as opposed to going
right straight to X Exit this menu.

I appreciate all the input because in this game,
knowledge is the power to fix it.

Martin McCormick
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can't load smbfs kernel module

2010-01-25 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
This is on FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT #0 r202964M ia64

I've built a kernel with smbfs module:

# ls -al /boot/kernel/smb*
-r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  265579 25 Jan 13:36 /boot/kernel/smbfs.ko
-r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  680186 25 Jan 13:36 /boot/kernel/smbfs.ko.symbols

but can't load it:

# kldload smbfs
kldload: can't load smbfs: No such file or directory


Other modules load fine with kldload, e.g.:

# ls -al /boot/kernel/geom_part_apm*
-r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  21320 25 Jan 13:36 /boot/kernel/geom_part_apm.ko
-r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  51141 25 Jan 13:36 
/boot/kernel/geom_part_apm.ko.symbols
# kldload geom_part_apm
# kldstat
Id Refs AddressSize Name
 15 0xe400 b69e60   kernel
 21 0xe4b6a000 3d268geom_mirror.ko
 31 0xa0646000 14000geom_part_apm.ko
# 

All I need is to mount an MS WIndows partition to my fbsd box.

Please advise

many thanks
anton

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wpi problems -- kern/142907

2010-01-25 Thread Craig Butler
Hi All

Anyone else having problems with wpi ?? I have upgraded the firmware,
helps a little but is still far from perfect.

Unless I continuously ping the gateway wpi silently drops the
connection.  Even then connections to other servers on the lan are dodgy
unless I am actively pinging them to keep the connection alive.  After a
time it all self destructs anyway and I have to restart if_wpi
and /etc/rc.d/netif

I know that it isn't the access points at fault as other devices and
wifi cards work well.

Cheers

Craig Butler

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writing divert sockets

2010-01-25 Thread yavuz
Hi all,

I have a problem while writing divert sockets. I found a simple application
and modified it to compile in freebsd.
Simple divert socket application only prints incomming packet and reinject
packet to IP stack.
My simple application and test codes are available at (
http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=10589)

I think I have a problem in reinject part, i.e writing packet back to ip
stack.

I have a server application listening on port 2000 and a client sends packet
to port 2000. And I have a ipfw rule as:

> ipfw add 1000 divert 2000 tcp from any to any 2000

In divert socket application a divert socket is created and bind to port
2000.  Socket receives packet with no problem:

> n=recvfrom( fd, packet, BUFSIZE, 0, (struct sockaddr_in *) sin, &sinlen);

After receiving packet what I want to do is simply reinjecting packet.

>n=sendto(fd, packet, n ,0, (struct sockaddr *) &sin, sinlen);

Reinjecting packet is not working in my case. I miss some point:) please
help me.

In addition to the problem, I couldn't understand a point in man page of
divert.

"The port part of the socket address passed to the sendto(2) contains a tag
that should be meaningful to the diversion module.  In the case of
 ipfw(8) the tag is interpreted as the rule number after which rule
processing should restart."

If I change the port value of sending address to ipfw rule number, how can
server receive the packet? (Assume the rule number is 1000 and server
listens port 2000. )

Thanks in advance
yavuzg
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Re: 8.0-RELEASE/amd64 - full ZFS install - low read and write disk performance

2010-01-25 Thread Pete French
> I like to use pci-x with aoc-sat2-mv8 cards or pci-e cardsthat way you
> get a lot more bandwidth..

I would goalong with that - I have precisely the same controller, with
a pair of eSATA drives, running ZFS mirrored. But I get a nice 100
meg/second out of them if I try. My controller is, however on PCI-X, not
PCI. It's a shame PCI-X appears to have gone the way of the dinosaur :-(

-pete.
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Re: 8.0-RELEASE/amd64 - full ZFS install - low read and write disk performance

2010-01-25 Thread Thomas Burgess
It depends on the bandwidth of the bus that it is on and the controller
itself.

I like to use pci-x with aoc-sat2-mv8 cards or pci-e cardsthat way you
get a lot more bandwidth..

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 3:32 AM, Dan Naumov  wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Dan Naumov  wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 7:33 AM, Bob Friesenhahn
> >  wrote:
> >> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010, Dan Naumov wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I've checked with the manufacturer and it seems that the Sil3124 in
> >>> this NAS is indeed a PCI card. More info on the card in question is
> >>> available at
> >>> http://green-pcs.co.uk/2009/01/28/tranquil-bbs2-those-pci-cards/
> >>> I have the card described later on the page, the one with 4 SATA ports
> >>> and no eSATA. Alright, so it being PCI is probably a bottleneck in
> >>> some ways, but that still doesn't explain the performance THAT bad,
> >>> considering that same hardware, same disks, same disk controller push
> >>> over 65mb/s in both reads and writes in Win2008. And agian, I am
> >>> pretty sure that I've had "close to expected" results when I was
> >>
> >> The slow PCI bus and this card look like the bottleneck to me. Remember
> that
> >> your Win2008 tests were with just one disk, your zfs performance with
> just
> >> one disk was similar to Win2008, and your zfs performance with a mirror
> was
> >> just under 1/2 that.
> >>
> >> I don't think that your performance results are necessarily out of line
> for
> >> the hardware you are using.
> >>
> >> On an old Sun SPARC workstation with retrofitted 15K RPM drives on
> Ultra-160
> >> SCSI channel, I see a zfs mirror write performance of 67,317KB/second
> and a
> >> read performance of 124,347KB/second.  The drives themselves are capable
> of
> >> 100MB/second range performance. Similar to yourself, I see 1/2 the write
> >> performance due to bandwidth limitations.
> >>
> >> Bob
> >
> > There is lots of very sweet irony in my particular situiation.
> > Initially I was planning to use a single X25-M 80gb SSD in the
> > motherboard sata port for the actual OS installation as well as to
> > dedicate 50gb of it to a become a designaed L2ARC vdev for my ZFS
> > mirrors. The SSD attached to the motherboard port would be recognized
> > only as a SATA150 device for some reason, but I was still seeing
> > 150mb/s throughput and sub 0.1 ms latencies on that disk simply
> > because of how crazy good the X25-M's are. However I ended up having
> > very bad issues with the Icydock 2,5" to 3,5" converter jacket I was
> > using to keep/fit the SSD in the system and it would randomly drop
> > write IO on heavy load due to bad connectors. Having finally figured
> > out the cause of my OS installations to the SSD going belly up during
> > applying updates, I decided to move the SSD to my desktop and use it
> > there instead, additionally thinking that my perhaps my idea of the
> > SSD was crazy overkill for what I need the system to do. Ironically
> > now that I am seeing how horrible the performance is when I am
> > operating on the mirror through this PCI card, I realize that
> > actually, my idea was pretty bloody brilliant, I just didn't really
> > know why at the time.
> >
> > An L2ARC device on the motherboard port would really help me with
> > random read IO, but to work around the utterly poor write performance,
> > I would also need a dedicaled SLOG ZIL device. The catch is that while
> > L2ARC devices and be removed from the pool at will (should the device
> > up and die all of a sudden), the dedicated ZILs cannot and currently a
> > "missing" ZIL device will render the pool it's included in be unable
> > to import and become inaccessible. There is some work happening in
> > Solaris to implement removing SLOGs from a pool, but that work hasn't
> > yet found it's way in FreeBSD yet.
> >
> >
> > - Sincerely,
> > Dan Naumov
>
> OK final question: if/when I go about adding more disks to the system
> and want redundancy, am I right in thinking that: ZFS pool of
> disk1+disk2 mirror + disk3+disk4 mirror (a la RAID10) would completely
> murder my write and read performance even way below the current 28mb/s
> / 50mb/s I am seeing with 2 disks on that PCI controller and that in
> order to have the least negative impact, I should simply have 2
> independent mirrors in 2 independent pools (with the 5th disk slot in
> the NAS given to a non-redundant single disk running off the one
> available SATA port on the motherboard)?
>
> - Sincerely,
> Dan Naumov
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Re: 8.0-RELEASE/amd64 - full ZFS install - low read and write disk performance

2010-01-25 Thread Dan Naumov
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Dan Naumov  wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 7:33 AM, Bob Friesenhahn
>  wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010, Dan Naumov wrote:
>>>
>>> I've checked with the manufacturer and it seems that the Sil3124 in
>>> this NAS is indeed a PCI card. More info on the card in question is
>>> available at
>>> http://green-pcs.co.uk/2009/01/28/tranquil-bbs2-those-pci-cards/
>>> I have the card described later on the page, the one with 4 SATA ports
>>> and no eSATA. Alright, so it being PCI is probably a bottleneck in
>>> some ways, but that still doesn't explain the performance THAT bad,
>>> considering that same hardware, same disks, same disk controller push
>>> over 65mb/s in both reads and writes in Win2008. And agian, I am
>>> pretty sure that I've had "close to expected" results when I was
>>
>> The slow PCI bus and this card look like the bottleneck to me. Remember that
>> your Win2008 tests were with just one disk, your zfs performance with just
>> one disk was similar to Win2008, and your zfs performance with a mirror was
>> just under 1/2 that.
>>
>> I don't think that your performance results are necessarily out of line for
>> the hardware you are using.
>>
>> On an old Sun SPARC workstation with retrofitted 15K RPM drives on Ultra-160
>> SCSI channel, I see a zfs mirror write performance of 67,317KB/second and a
>> read performance of 124,347KB/second.  The drives themselves are capable of
>> 100MB/second range performance. Similar to yourself, I see 1/2 the write
>> performance due to bandwidth limitations.
>>
>> Bob
>
> There is lots of very sweet irony in my particular situiation.
> Initially I was planning to use a single X25-M 80gb SSD in the
> motherboard sata port for the actual OS installation as well as to
> dedicate 50gb of it to a become a designaed L2ARC vdev for my ZFS
> mirrors. The SSD attached to the motherboard port would be recognized
> only as a SATA150 device for some reason, but I was still seeing
> 150mb/s throughput and sub 0.1 ms latencies on that disk simply
> because of how crazy good the X25-M's are. However I ended up having
> very bad issues with the Icydock 2,5" to 3,5" converter jacket I was
> using to keep/fit the SSD in the system and it would randomly drop
> write IO on heavy load due to bad connectors. Having finally figured
> out the cause of my OS installations to the SSD going belly up during
> applying updates, I decided to move the SSD to my desktop and use it
> there instead, additionally thinking that my perhaps my idea of the
> SSD was crazy overkill for what I need the system to do. Ironically
> now that I am seeing how horrible the performance is when I am
> operating on the mirror through this PCI card, I realize that
> actually, my idea was pretty bloody brilliant, I just didn't really
> know why at the time.
>
> An L2ARC device on the motherboard port would really help me with
> random read IO, but to work around the utterly poor write performance,
> I would also need a dedicaled SLOG ZIL device. The catch is that while
> L2ARC devices and be removed from the pool at will (should the device
> up and die all of a sudden), the dedicated ZILs cannot and currently a
> "missing" ZIL device will render the pool it's included in be unable
> to import and become inaccessible. There is some work happening in
> Solaris to implement removing SLOGs from a pool, but that work hasn't
> yet found it's way in FreeBSD yet.
>
>
> - Sincerely,
> Dan Naumov

OK final question: if/when I go about adding more disks to the system
and want redundancy, am I right in thinking that: ZFS pool of
disk1+disk2 mirror + disk3+disk4 mirror (a la RAID10) would completely
murder my write and read performance even way below the current 28mb/s
/ 50mb/s I am seeing with 2 disks on that PCI controller and that in
order to have the least negative impact, I should simply have 2
independent mirrors in 2 independent pools (with the 5th disk slot in
the NAS given to a non-redundant single disk running off the one
available SATA port on the motherboard)?

- Sincerely,
Dan Naumov
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Re: 8.0-RELEASE/amd64 - full ZFS install - low read and write disk performance

2010-01-25 Thread Dan Naumov
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 7:33 AM, Bob Friesenhahn
 wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010, Dan Naumov wrote:
>>
>> I've checked with the manufacturer and it seems that the Sil3124 in
>> this NAS is indeed a PCI card. More info on the card in question is
>> available at
>> http://green-pcs.co.uk/2009/01/28/tranquil-bbs2-those-pci-cards/
>> I have the card described later on the page, the one with 4 SATA ports
>> and no eSATA. Alright, so it being PCI is probably a bottleneck in
>> some ways, but that still doesn't explain the performance THAT bad,
>> considering that same hardware, same disks, same disk controller push
>> over 65mb/s in both reads and writes in Win2008. And agian, I am
>> pretty sure that I've had "close to expected" results when I was
>
> The slow PCI bus and this card look like the bottleneck to me. Remember that
> your Win2008 tests were with just one disk, your zfs performance with just
> one disk was similar to Win2008, and your zfs performance with a mirror was
> just under 1/2 that.
>
> I don't think that your performance results are necessarily out of line for
> the hardware you are using.
>
> On an old Sun SPARC workstation with retrofitted 15K RPM drives on Ultra-160
> SCSI channel, I see a zfs mirror write performance of 67,317KB/second and a
> read performance of 124,347KB/second.  The drives themselves are capable of
> 100MB/second range performance. Similar to yourself, I see 1/2 the write
> performance due to bandwidth limitations.
>
> Bob

There is lots of very sweet irony in my particular situiation.
Initially I was planning to use a single X25-M 80gb SSD in the
motherboard sata port for the actual OS installation as well as to
dedicate 50gb of it to a become a designaed L2ARC vdev for my ZFS
mirrors. The SSD attached to the motherboard port would be recognized
only as a SATA150 device for some reason, but I was still seeing
150mb/s throughput and sub 0.1 ms latencies on that disk simply
because of how crazy good the X25-M's are. However I ended up having
very bad issues with the Icydock 2,5" to 3,5" converter jacket I was
using to keep/fit the SSD in the system and it would randomly drop
write IO on heavy load due to bad connectors. Having finally figured
out the cause of my OS installations to the SSD going belly up during
applying updates, I decided to move the SSD to my desktop and use it
there instead, additionally thinking that my perhaps my idea of the
SSD was crazy overkill for what I need the system to do. Ironically
now that I am seeing how horrible the performance is when I am
operating on the mirror through this PCI card, I realize that
actually, my idea was pretty bloody brilliant, I just didn't really
know why at the time.

An L2ARC device on the motherboard port would really help me with
random read IO, but to work around the utterly poor write performance,
I would also need a dedicaled SLOG ZIL device. The catch is that while
L2ARC devices and be removed from the pool at will (should the device
up and die all of a sudden), the dedicated ZILs cannot and currently a
"missing" ZIL device will render the pool it's included in be unable
to import and become inaccessible. There is some work happening in
Solaris to implement removing SLOGs from a pool, but that work hasn't
yet found it's way in FreeBSD yet.


- Sincerely,
Dan Naumov

- Sincerely,
Dan Naumov
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Re: 8.0-RELEASE/amd64 - full ZFS install - low read and write disk performance

2010-01-25 Thread Bob Friesenhahn

On Mon, 25 Jan 2010, Dan Naumov wrote:


I've checked with the manufacturer and it seems that the Sil3124 in
this NAS is indeed a PCI card. More info on the card in question is
available at http://green-pcs.co.uk/2009/01/28/tranquil-bbs2-those-pci-cards/
I have the card described later on the page, the one with 4 SATA ports
and no eSATA. Alright, so it being PCI is probably a bottleneck in
some ways, but that still doesn't explain the performance THAT bad,
considering that same hardware, same disks, same disk controller push
over 65mb/s in both reads and writes in Win2008. And agian, I am
pretty sure that I've had "close to expected" results when I was


The slow PCI bus and this card look like the bottleneck to me. 
Remember that your Win2008 tests were with just one disk, your zfs 
performance with just one disk was similar to Win2008, and your zfs 
performance with a mirror was just under 1/2 that.


I don't think that your performance results are necessarily out of 
line for the hardware you are using.


On an old Sun SPARC workstation with retrofitted 15K RPM drives on 
Ultra-160 SCSI channel, I see a zfs mirror write performance of 
67,317KB/second and a read performance of 124,347KB/second.  The 
drives themselves are capable of 100MB/second range performance. 
Similar to yourself, I see 1/2 the write performance due to bandwidth 
limitations.


Bob
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Re: Problem with GnuPG

2010-01-25 Thread Jerry
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:16:06 -0700
Chad Perrin  articulated:

> On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 06:19:58AM -0500, Jerry wrote:
> > I posted this recently on the GnuPG forum; however, no one had ever
> > seen it before.
> > 
> > FreeBSD-7.2
> > 
> > gpg (GnuPG) 2.0.14
> > libgcrypt 1.4.4
> > 
> > gpa 0.9.0
> >  
> > I honestly have no idea what the problem is here. I recently
> > installed GnuPG on my system. Everything appeared to go fine. For
> > some reason, I have numerous keys listed that I have no knowledge
> > of.
> > 
> > This URL shows the keys:
> > 
> > http://seibercom.net/gnupg/KeyListing.png  
> > 
> > These are not OpenPGP keys, but x.509 certificates. I have no idea
> > why they are showing up in the listing, nor can I delete them.
> > GnuPG no longer works with my MUA either.I have tried deleting
> > GnuPG in its entirety and the "~/.gnupg" directory. That did not
> > alleviate the problem. Once I reinstalled them, the problem
> > resurfaced.
> 
> I've never heard of anything like this with GnuPG either, and I'm
> really not sure how you'd end up with a bunch of X.509 certificates
> in a GnuPG keyring.  I do have a hypothesis for you to investigate,
> however:
> 
> You're using a tool I don't know anything about from personal
> experience. Specifically, I'm talking about GPA.  I've always just
> used the command line tools.  Because what you describe doesn't seem
> to make any sense for the functionality of GnuPG, and you have this
> featureful GUI application for managing keys, I thought maybe that
> was the place to look.
> 
> The contents of the pkg-descr file for security/gpa say:
> 
> The GNU Privacy Assistant is a graphical frontend to GnuPG and
> may be used to manage the keys and encrypt/decrypt/sign/check
> files. It is much like Seahorse.
> 
> WWW: http://gpa.wald.intevation.org/
> 
> Checking the site didn't really give me any information at all, but
> the pkg-descr file for Seahorse says:
> 
> Seahorse is a Gnome front end for GnuPG - the Gnu Privacy
> Guard program.
> 
> It is a tool for secure communications and data storage.
> Data encryption and digital signature creation can easily
> be performed through a GUI and Key Management operations
> can easily be carried out through an intuitive interface.
> 
> WWW: http://seahorse.sourceforge.net/
> 
> Looking at the Seahorse site, it says it supports GnuPG keys *and* SSH
> keys.  It lists a few other things it does, including an ambiguous and
> frustratingly undefined "More...".  I hunted around a bit and, on the
> developer wiki, found a short list labeled "To Do (Grand Plans and
> Quackery)" that included "Support X.509 certificates" as its first
> item.
> 
> My thought is, if the GPA developers are following a similar path to
> what the Seahorse developers are doing, they might even have gotten
> to X.509 certs first.  If that's the case, GPA may have just
> automagically hunted up the X.509 certificates used by your browser
> and added them to the list of managed keys.
> 
> Given the notion that GPA may have a bunch of functionality and
> features that aren't even known to the user, and that it may try to
> magically do things its developers assume people want, it's possible
> that it is interfering somehow in the proper operation of GnuPG with
> regard to your MUA.  Perhaps some configuration file(s) for GPA,
> separate from the GnuPG configuration directory itself, are surviving
> the uninstalls and reinstalls of your various OpenPGP related tools
> -- and maybe that's the reason it isn't currently working with  your
> MUA.  It could be worth investigating.  Is the manpage for GPA any
> help at all (since there doesn't appear to be any documentation at
> all on the Website)?
> 
> I'm curious about what's causing the problem, so if/when you get this
> sorted out, I'd appreciate it if you'd let me know anything you learn
> about the problem.  I may try to help you investigate the matter
> further as well if you keep me abreast of what you uncover about the
> matter.  Of course, I don't plan to install GPA anywhere, so my
> ability to look into it is *somewhat* limited, but I might be able to
> pitch in a little as time permits.
> 
> 
> > 
> > Other than dumping the whole system, reformatting and re-installing
> > the OS, has anyone ever heard of this happening before; and if so,
> > how to correct it?
> 
> I'm sure there's *something* you can do without nuking and paving --
> even if it's somewhat drastic, like selecting a different MUA (if, for
> instance, a change in one of the tools or in the MUA itself has
> introduced an incompatibility somewhere).
> 
> Oh, that reminds me . . . is it possible that a change has been made
> to some configuration for the MUA itself, without your knowledge?
> 
> What *is* your MUA, anyway?
> 
> Good luck.

OK, I posted this on the 'GnuPG' list earlier; however, since you
requested further info, here it is.

This is the f

RE: Intel D510MO Mini-ITX Motherboard - Is anyone using FreeBSD on this?

2010-01-25 Thread Dan Naumov
Not to steal your discussion thread, but I thought I'd ask (and you'd
perhaps too be interested) what's the status of FreeBSD on these 2:

Supermicro X7SPA-H:
http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/ATOM/ICH9/X7SPA.cfm?typ=H
Supermicro X7SPA-HF:
http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/ATOM/ICH9/X7SPA.cfm?typ=H&IPMI=Y

Supermicro recently came out with quite a bunch of Atom-based
solutions and these 2 boards stuck out as havign 6 x SATA ports, which
make them tempting for a NAS solution.


- Sincerely,
Dan Naumov
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Re: PCIe audio cards: what is tob be preferred with FreeBSD 8.0/9-CURRENT?

2010-01-25 Thread Alban Hertroys
On 24 Jan 2010, at 17:36, O. Hartmann wrote:

> At this moment, I look for the Soundblaster X-Fi range of PCIe cards, but I'm 
> not sure whether they are supported by FreeBSd 8/9. Any suggestions?


I'm actually looking for a replacement for my X-Fi (I have the PCI X-Fi Gamer). 
The sound quality isn't great and it's only supported in Windows. I believe 
there's an effort going on to get a functioning driver on Linux at the moment.

Besides that, the card I have got some proprietary connectors for digital audio 
that you need to buy some kind of dongle for that dangles outside your case. 
You can fit a 3.5mm optical jack in the proprietary connector, but the signal 
isn't SP/DIF - my receiver has no idea what to do with it.

The more expensive versions probably don't have that problem, they have plenty 
of connections for all kinds of signals after all.

Alban Hertroys

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Intel D510MO Mini-ITX Motherboard - Is anyone using FreeBSD on this?

2010-01-25 Thread Charlie Kester

http://www.mini-box.com/D510MO-mini-ITX-Intel

I'm thinking of ordering one of these motherboards, which have the
newest dual-core Atom processor and NM10 chipset.  I'm intrigued by its
low-power, fanless operation.  I already have FreeBSD running on one of
the older Atom mobo's, so I know not to expect high-end performance from
these inexpensive processors.  But that older board has an annoyingly
noisy fan, and I'd like to replace it.

Has anyone already tried putting FreeBSD on one of these?  Any problems?

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Re: Loader, MBR and the boot process

2010-01-25 Thread Matthew Seaman

Andriy Gapon wrote:

on 25/01/2010 04:41 Robert Noland said the following:

On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 07:57 +1100, Mark Andrews wrote:

 offset  The offset of the start of the partition from the beginning of
 the drive in sectors, or * to have bsdlabel calculate the correct
 offset to use (the end of the previous partition plus one, ignor-
 ing partition `c'.  For partition `c', * will be interpreted as
 an offset of 0.  The first partition should start at offset 16,
 because the first 16 sectors are reserved for metadata.

Ok, now this has my attention... My gut feeling right now is that this
is a bug in geom_part_bsd.  I don't understand why the label isn't
protected.  (Adding -b 16 when adding the swap partition fixes this)
Another project to goes on my list...

If anyone knows why this is done like this... please share.


I presume that this is for purely historic reasons.



I believe this has been known about since 5.x days:

  http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=72812

As far as I recall, sometime around 6.1-RELEASE this should have been
fixed.  It certainly seems to be the case that it is harmless to have 
a plain swap partition start at offset 0, but anything else, like encrypted

swap or putting a filesystem there needs the 16 sector offset.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: Loader, MBR and the boot process

2010-01-25 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 25/01/2010 04:41 Robert Noland said the following:
> On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 07:57 +1100, Mark Andrews wrote:
>>  offset  The offset of the start of the partition from the beginning of
>>  the drive in sectors, or * to have bsdlabel calculate the 
>> correct
>>  offset to use (the end of the previous partition plus one, 
>> ignor-
>>  ing partition `c'.  For partition `c', * will be interpreted as
>>  an offset of 0.  The first partition should start at offset 16,
>>  because the first 16 sectors are reserved for metadata.
> 
> Ok, now this has my attention... My gut feeling right now is that this
> is a bug in geom_part_bsd.  I don't understand why the label isn't
> protected.  (Adding -b 16 when adding the swap partition fixes this)
> Another project to goes on my list...
> 
> If anyone knows why this is done like this... please share.

I presume that this is for purely historic reasons.

-- 
Andriy Gapon
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Re: Thunderbird language should be Swedish but it's not!

2010-01-25 Thread Leslie Jensen


On 01/24/10 19:31, Bernt Hansson wrote:



You need thunderbird3-i18n not thunderbird-i18n.




Yes, of course. Unfortunately there's no change, after deinstalling and 
rebuilding it's the same behaviour.


Thanks.
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