Building and running new package versions not yet in ports?
What do I do if I want to build and run a package where version in ports collection is not up-to-date, and I want to build and run the current release version of that package, like Abiword 2.8.6 for instance, when version in ports is behind? Or maybe I want to try a new alpha or beta development release of a package like Firefox or Seamonkey, but don't want to burn my bridges on the already installed and running version. Can I create a testing install base such as /extra or /usr/extra, and set something like PATH=/usr/extra/bin:$PATH and perhaps modify some other environment variables, and then be able to return to the regular environment? I would only want to change a few things temporarily and would not want to create an entire chroot system. Is this the proper list for this question, or should I have posted to freebsd-po...@freebsd.org ? Tom ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Building and running new package versions not yet in ports?
On 13/08/2010 07:44, Thomas Mueller wrote:
What do I do if I want to build and run a package where version in
ports collection is not up-to-date, and I want to build and run the
current release version of that package, like Abiword 2.8.6 for
instance, when version in ports is behind? Or maybe I want to try a new
alpha or beta development release of a package like Firefox or
Seamonkey, but don't want to burn my bridges on the already installed
and running version.
Contact the port maintainers in the first instance -- they may well have
beta test versions of the ports you can download. Failing that, it is
perfectly feasible for you to update a port yourself.
Generally, you will want to work on a copy of the port directory
somewhere. You can check out what you need from anonymous CVS, which
gives you all the extra VCS goodness you could want for serious code
hacking. Your working directory doesn't have to be anywhere special in
relation to the ports tree. Anywhere you like will be fine. Well,
assuming the port you're working on is pretty much stand alone -- if you
need to look at a collection of highly interconnected ports then it gets
harder, but that's not something particularly common.
Refer to the Porter's Handbook for a guide on how it all should work,
and read the comments and code in /usr/ports/Mk/*.mk for the
nitty-gritty details. Ion-Mihail's guide at
http://ionut.tetcu.info/FreeBSD/How-to-submit-a-diff.txt has plenty of
good tips too.
If you do generate a usable upgrade for a port, please submit it as a PR
so the rest of the world can benefit. Beware though: thus begins the
slippery path to port maintainership and possibly even a coveted
@freebsd.org e-mail address.
Can I create a testing install base such as /extra or /usr/extra,
and set something like
PATH=/usr/extra/bin:$PATH and perhaps modify some other environment
variables, and then be able to return to the regular environment? I
would only want to change a few things temporarily and would not want
to create an entire chroot system.
Sure. When testing ports, I regularly have the following set in the
environment:
setenv WRKDIRPREFIX ${HOME}/tmp/ports
setenv PKG_DBDIR${HOME}/tmp/db/pkgs
setenv PORT_DBDIR ${HOME}/tmp/db/ports
setenv PREFIX ${HOME}/tmp/local
setenv INSTALL_AS_USER yes
setenv NOCLEANDEPENDS yes
setenv PACKAGES ${HOME}/tmp/packages
Is this the proper list for this question, or should I have posted
to freebsd-po...@freebsd.org ?
You're more likely to find interested and knowledgeable people on
freebsd-ports@ -- certainly post there if you run into difficulties
trying to work with ports.
Cheers,
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Re: Grepping a list of words
At 10:56 AM 8.12.2010 -0700, Chip Camden wrote: Quoth Anonymous on Thursday, 12 August 2010: Oliver Fromme o...@lurza.secnetix.de writes: John Levine jo...@iecc.com wrote: % egrep 'word1|word2|word3|...|wordn' filename.txt Thanks for the replies. This suggestion won't do the job as the list of words is very long, maybe 50-60. This is why I asked how to place them all in a file. One reply dealt with using a file with egrep. I'll try that. Gee, 50 words, that's about a 300 character pattern, that's not a problem for any shell or version of grep I know. But reading the words from a file is equivalent and as you note most likely easier to do. The question is what is more efficient. This might be important if that kind of grep command is run very often by a script, or if it's run on very large files. My guess is that one large regular expression is more efficient than many small ones. But I haven't done real benchmarks to prove this. BTW, not using regular expressions is even more efficient, e.g. $ fgrep -f /usr/share/dict/words /etc/group When using egrep(1) it takes considerably more time and memory. Having written a regex engine myself, I can see why. Though I'm sure egrep is highly optimized, even the most optimized DFA table is going to take more cycles to navigate than a simple string comparison. Not to mention the initial overhead of parsing the regex and building that table. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F Many thanks to all of the suggestions. I found this worked very well, ignoring concerns about use of resources: egrep -i -o -w -f word.file main.file The only thing it didn't do for me was the next step. My final objective was to really determine the words in the word.file that were not in the main.file. I figured finding matches would be easy and then could then run a sort|uniq comparison to determine the new words not yet in the main.file. Since I will have a need to run this check frequently, any suggestions for a better approach are welcome. Thanks again... Jack (^_^) Happy trails, Jack L. Stone System Admin Sage-american ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Grepping a list of words
On Friday 13 August 2010 15:47:38 Jack L. Stone wrote: The only thing it didn't do for me was the next step. My final objective was to really determine the words in the word.file that were not in the main.file. I figured finding matches would be easy and then could then run a sort|uniq comparison to determine the new words not yet in the main.file. Since I will have a need to run this check frequently, any suggestions for a better approach are welcome. sort -u and comm(1)? comm will compare two sorted files and produce up to three lists: of words only in file one, of words only in file 2 and of words common to both files. You can suppress any or all of the output lists. Jonathan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Grepping a list of words
At 04:01 PM 8.13.2010 +0200, Jonathan McKeown wrote: On Friday 13 August 2010 15:47:38 Jack L. Stone wrote: The only thing it didn't do for me was the next step. My final objective was to really determine the words in the word.file that were not in the main.file. I figured finding matches would be easy and then could then run a sort|uniq comparison to determine the new words not yet in the main.file. Since I will have a need to run this check frequently, any suggestions for a better approach are welcome. sort -u and comm(1)? comm will compare two sorted files and produce up to three lists: of words only in file one, of words only in file 2 and of words common to both files. You can suppress any or all of the output lists. Jonathan ___ Jonathan: Thanks, I had forgotten about comm(1). Mehinks I am close to the solution to the whole issue now. Jack (^_^) Happy trails, Jack L. Stone System Admin Sage-american ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Building and running new package versions not yet in ports?
Quoth Matthew Seaman on Friday, 13 August 2010:
On 13/08/2010 07:44, Thomas Mueller wrote:
What do I do if I want to build and run a package where version in
ports collection is not up-to-date, and I want to build and run the
current release version of that package, like Abiword 2.8.6 for
instance, when version in ports is behind? Or maybe I want to try a new
alpha or beta development release of a package like Firefox or
Seamonkey, but don't want to burn my bridges on the already installed
and running version.
Contact the port maintainers in the first instance -- they may well have
beta test versions of the ports you can download. Failing that, it is
perfectly feasible for you to update a port yourself.
Generally, you will want to work on a copy of the port directory
somewhere. You can check out what you need from anonymous CVS, which
gives you all the extra VCS goodness you could want for serious code
hacking. Your working directory doesn't have to be anywhere special in
relation to the ports tree. Anywhere you like will be fine. Well,
assuming the port you're working on is pretty much stand alone -- if you
need to look at a collection of highly interconnected ports then it gets
harder, but that's not something particularly common.
Refer to the Porter's Handbook for a guide on how it all should work,
and read the comments and code in /usr/ports/Mk/*.mk for the
nitty-gritty details. Ion-Mihail's guide at
http://ionut.tetcu.info/FreeBSD/How-to-submit-a-diff.txt has plenty of
good tips too.
If you do generate a usable upgrade for a port, please submit it as a PR
so the rest of the world can benefit. Beware though: thus begins the
slippery path to port maintainership and possibly even a coveted
@freebsd.org e-mail address.
Can I create a testing install base such as /extra or /usr/extra,
and set something like
PATH=/usr/extra/bin:$PATH and perhaps modify some other environment
variables, and then be able to return to the regular environment? I
would only want to change a few things temporarily and would not want
to create an entire chroot system.
Sure. When testing ports, I regularly have the following set in the
environment:
setenv WRKDIRPREFIX ${HOME}/tmp/ports
setenv PKG_DBDIR ${HOME}/tmp/db/pkgs
setenv PORT_DBDIR ${HOME}/tmp/db/ports
setenv PREFIX ${HOME}/tmp/local
setenv INSTALL_AS_USERyes
setenv NOCLEANDEPENDS yes
setenv PACKAGES ${HOME}/tmp/packages
Is this the proper list for this question, or should I have posted
to freebsd-po...@freebsd.org ?
You're more likely to find interested and knowledgeable people on
freebsd-ports@ -- certainly post there if you run into difficulties
trying to work with ports.
Cheers,
Matthew
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awk problem
I readfile or pipe this text, in any line order:
rm90.steampick.info
fgce172.lanejive.info
smailer1.service.govdelivery.com
fl49.orangetalon.info
pollux.carespecial.info
into a program to remove subdomains down to domain.tld :
awk 'FS=. { print $(NF-1).$NF }'
and get the first line doubled rather than processed like the other lines:
rm90.steampick.info.rm90.steampick.info
lanejive.info
govdelivery.com
orangetalon.info
carespecial.info
thanks
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Documentation on how to build 32bit applications on amd64?
I need to build 32 bit apps the same way as they would be built on i386. When I run 64-bit gcc I get this: gcc -m32 -o m m.c /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libgcc.a when searching for -lgcc /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libgcc.a when searching for -lgcc /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc When I run 32bit gcc I get this: /gcc-4.5.0-32/bin/gcc -m32 -o m m.c /var/tmp//ccif89DB.s: Assembler messages: /var/tmp//ccif89DB.s:11: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `push' /var/tmp//ccif89DB.s:14: Error: `-12(%ebp)' is not a valid 64 bit base/index expression In first case libgcc.so isn't found, and specifying -L/usr/lib32 doesn't help. In the second case 32bit compiler runs 64-bit assembler which is wrong. Is there a documentation how to cross compile 32 bit apps on 64 bit platform? Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: awk problem
Len Conrad lcon...@go2france.com writes:
awk 'FS=. { print $(NF-1).$NF }'
rm90.steampick.info.rm90.steampick.info
lanejive.info
govdelivery.com
orangetalon.info
carespecial.info
Hmm, I can't reproduce it on /head. What FreeBSD version you're using?
Can you try with lang/nawk port? nawk is from the same vendor as
/usr/src/contrib/one-true-awk.
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Re: Documentation on how to build 32bit applications on amd64?
Yuri y...@rawbw.com writes: I need to build 32 bit apps the same way as they would be built on i386. When I run 64-bit gcc I get this: gcc -m32 -o m m.c /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libgcc.a when searching for -lgcc /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libgcc.a when searching for -lgcc /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc When I run 32bit gcc I get this: /gcc-4.5.0-32/bin/gcc -m32 -o m m.c /var/tmp//ccif89DB.s: Assembler messages: /var/tmp//ccif89DB.s:11: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `push' /var/tmp//ccif89DB.s:14: Error: `-12(%ebp)' is not a valid 64 bit base/index expression In first case libgcc.so isn't found, and specifying -L/usr/lib32 doesn't help. In the second case 32bit compiler runs 64-bit assembler which is wrong. This was already discussed several times. I only remember recent threads[1][2]. I've built a few ports with not many dependencies but stumbled on unrelated issues before ever trying smth like emulators/wine. [1] http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/mid.cgi?201007291718.12687.tijl [2] http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/mid.cgi?86tyobk6bu.fsf ftp://ftp.lissyara.su/users/Guest/cc32wrapper (improved wrapper) Is there a documentation how to cross compile 32 bit apps on 64 bit platform? The only documented way is by using 32bit chroot. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Documentation on how to build 32bit applications on amd64?
In the last episode (Aug 13), Yuri said: I need to build 32 bit apps the same way as they would be built on i386. When I run 64-bit gcc I get this: gcc -m32 -o m m.c /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libgcc.a when searching for -lgcc /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libgcc.a when searching for -lgcc /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc When I run 32bit gcc I get this: /gcc-4.5.0-32/bin/gcc -m32 -o m m.c /var/tmp//ccif89DB.s: Assembler messages: /var/tmp//ccif89DB.s:11: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `push' /var/tmp//ccif89DB.s:14: Error: `-12(%ebp)' is not a valid 64 bit base/index expression In first case libgcc.so isn't found, and specifying -L/usr/lib32 doesn't help. In the second case 32bit compiler runs 64-bit assembler which is wrong. Is there a documentation how to cross compile 32 bit apps on 64 bit platform? Try adding -B/usr/lib32 to your first gcc line. The specs file should be modified to add this automatically when you pass -m32, imho. -- Dan Nelson dnel...@allantgroup.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: awk problem
Len == Len Conrad lcon...@go2france.com writes:
Len I readfile or pipe this text, in any line order:
Len rm90.steampick.info
Len fgce172.lanejive.info
Len smailer1.service.govdelivery.com
Len fl49.orangetalon.info
Len pollux.carespecial.info
Len into a program to remove subdomains down to domain.tld :
Len awk 'FS=. { print $(NF-1).$NF }'
Len and get the first line doubled rather than processed like the other lines:
Len rm90.steampick.info.rm90.steampick.info
Len lanejive.info
Len govdelivery.com
Len orangetalon.info
Len carespecial.info
Yes, that would be the expected behavior.
You need to set the FS *before* processing the first line.
Either use -F ., or a BEGIN block.
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Re: awk problem
-- Original Message --
From: Anonymous swel...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:13:20 +0400
Len Conrad lcon...@go2france.com writes:
awk 'FS=. { print $(NF-1).$NF }'
rm90.steampick.info.rm90.steampick.info
lanejive.info
govdelivery.com
orangetalon.info
carespecial.info
Hmm, I can't reproduce it on /head. What FreeBSD version you're using?
Can you try with lang/nawk port? nawk is from the same vendor as
/usr/src/contrib/one-true-awk.
FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE #0
awk --version
awk version 20070501 (FreeBSD)
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Re: awk problem
mer...@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) writes:
Len awk 'FS=. { print $(NF-1).$NF }'
Len rm90.steampick.info.rm90.steampick.info
Len lanejive.info
Len govdelivery.com
Len orangetalon.info
Len carespecial.info
Yes, that would be the expected behavior.
You need to set the FS *before* processing the first line.
Either use -F ., or a BEGIN block.
Then it's already fixed in 8.1-RELEASE by update in r201951.
contrib/one-true-awk/FIXES:
Nov 26, 2009:
fixed a long-standing issue with when FS takes effect. a
change to FS is now noticed immediately for subsequent splits.
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Re: awk problem
Len Conrad wrote:
I readfile or pipe this text, in any line order:
rm90.steampick.info
fgce172.lanejive.info
smailer1.service.govdelivery.com
fl49.orangetalon.info
pollux.carespecial.info
into a program to remove subdomains down to domain.tld :
awk 'FS=. { print $(NF-1).$NF }'
and get the first line doubled rather than processed like the other lines:
rm90.steampick.info.rm90.steampick.info
lanejive.info
govdelivery.com
orangetalon.info
carespecial.info
thanks
Len
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How about:
awk -F. '{ print $(NF-1).$NF }'
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Re: awk problem
-- Original Message --
From: Mark Tinguely marktingu...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:14:03 -0500
Len Conrad wrote:
I readfile or pipe this text, in any line order:
rm90.steampick.info
fgce172.lanejive.info
smailer1.service.govdelivery.com
fl49.orangetalon.info
pollux.carespecial.info
into a program to remove subdomains down to domain.tld :
awk 'FS=. { print $(NF-1).$NF }'
and get the first line doubled rather than processed like the other lines:
rm90.steampick.info.rm90.steampick.info
lanejive.info
govdelivery.com
orangetalon.info
carespecial.info
thanks
Len
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How about:
awk -F. '{ print $(NF-1).$NF }'
that works, thanks
Len
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Re: UPS question
On Thu, August 12, 2010 8:14 pm, Al Plant wrote: #3. Thats why setting the bios not to self boot would work. (Stopping the bios from turning the server on after an outage.) Someone would have to check the power status manually before throwing the switch manually to make it come up after power has been restored. Also turning servers and some desktops off and on is many cases a bad idea. Yeah, that's why I prefaced my original misgivings by asking if this was an unattended system. If someone will be around to push the button, there's no need to worry about bringing the system back up automatically. But if someone's going to have to drive 50 miles on a weekend to do it, automatic start-up is a good idea. ;) Where I work we have most of our systems set to *not* power back up after an outage. This is deliberate; I can't guarantee that the air conditioners will come back on when power is restored, so I need to manually verify that they're working before all that heat-generating equipment is powered back on. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Documentation on how to build 32bit applications on amd64?
On 08/13/2010 09:24, Dan Nelson wrote:
Try adding -B/usr/lib32 to your first gcc line. The specs file should be
modified to add this automatically when you pass -m32, imho.
Thank you Dan, this flag worked.
But I found a strange discrepancy between 32bit and 64bit.
When I compile the program below in 64 bit, I get the correct result.
With 32 bit executable compiled on 64 bit system like you suggested
there is another (wrong) result. On 32 bit system result is also
correct, the same as with 64 executable.
This is a very strange discrepancy. rm_eo field is zero in the match
result which is wrong. I can't think of any explanation for it.
FreeBSD-8.1-STABLE
Yuri
--- program m.c ---
#include regex.h
#include stdio.h
#include string.h
void replace_all(char *str, char *pattern, char *replacement) {
int res;
int off = 0;
regex_t re;
regmatch_t match;
res = regcomp(re, pattern, REG_EXTENDED);
while (off (int)strlen(str) regexec(re, str+off, 1, match,
0)==0) {
printf(match: off=%i so=%i eo=%i\n, off, (int)match.rm_so,
(int)match.rm_eo);
off += match.rm_eo;
}
}
main() {
replace_all(abc-def-fghijkl, -, _);
return 0;
}
--- output of 64 bit executable (gcc -o m m.c) ---
match: off=0 so=3 eo=4
match: off=4 so=3 eo=4
--- output of 32 bit executable built on 64 bit system with flags (gcc
-B/usr/lib32 -m32 -o m m.c) ---
match: off=0 so=3 eo=0
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Re: Documentation on how to build 32bit applications on amd64?
Yuri y...@rawbw.com writes: --- output of 64 bit executable (gcc -o m m.c) --- match: off=0 so=3 eo=4 match: off=4 so=3 eo=4 --- output of 32 bit executable built on 64 bit system with flags (gcc -B/usr/lib32 -m32 -o m m.c) --- match: off=0 so=3 eo=0 I guess machine-dependent headers are involved. $ cc -m32 -B/usr/lib32 a.c $ ./a.out match: off=0 so=3 eo=0 $ ln -s /usr/src/sys/i386/include machine $ cc -m32 -B/usr/lib32 -isystem. a.c $ ./a.out match: off=0 so=3 eo=4 match: off=4 so=3 eo=4 Same thing is happening for mmap() http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/mid.cgi?20100524.134955.230088351175323.okuno.kohji ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Status of Java in FreeBSD? (OpenSolaris is dead)
Hi all, Now that OpenSolaris is dead [1] I was wondering what the status of Java is in FreeBSD. I'm currently using OpenJDK16 from ports. Is OpenJDK free from Oracle hands or not? Would it be possible it dissappearing from the ports because of licensing/patent issues? If so, what are the open-source alternatives? Thanks, Antonio [1] http://sstallion.blogspot.com/2010/08/opensolaris-is-dead.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Documentation on how to build 32bit applications on amd64?
On 08/13/2010 10:58, Anonymous wrote: I guess machine-dependent headers are involved. $ cc -m32 -B/usr/lib32 a.c $ ./a.out match: off=0 so=3 eo=0 $ ln -s /usr/src/sys/i386/include machine $ cc -m32 -B/usr/lib32 -isystem. a.c $ ./a.out match: off=0 so=3 eo=4 match: off=4 so=3 eo=4 Same thing is happening for mmap() http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/mid.cgi?20100524.134955.230088351175323.okuno.kohji But what is the general solution for this problem? Symbolic link that you created only exists in one local directory. Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Telnet = servname ai_socktype error
telnet 0 smtp is the same as telnet localhost 25 or telnet localhost smtp Ashish SHUKLA-6 wrote: jaymax writes: [...] % telnet 0 smtp 0: servname not supported for ai_socktype What according to you 0 is ? -- Ashish SHUKLA | GPG: F682 CDCC 39DC 0FEA E116 20B6 C746 CFA9 E74F A4B0 freebsd.org!ashish | http://people.freebsd.org/~ashish/ “There was truth and there was untruth, and if you clung to the truth even against the whole world, you were not mad.” (George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four, 1949) -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Telnet-%3D%3E-servname-ai_socktype-error-tp29425269p29431829.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Status of Java in FreeBSD? (OpenSolaris is dead)
Antonio Vieiro writes: Hi all, Now that OpenSolaris is dead [1] I was wondering what the status of Java is in FreeBSD. But there is hope: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Illumos-launched-as-OpenSolaris-deriv ative-1050151.html I'm currently using OpenJDK16 from ports. Is OpenJDK free from Oracle hands or not? Would it be possible it dissappearing from the ports because of licensing/patent issues? If so, what are the open-source alternatives? Thanks, Antonio [1] http://sstallion.blogspot.com/2010/08/opensolaris-is-dead.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Status of Java in FreeBSD? (OpenSolaris is dead)
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 07:59:20PM +0200, Antonio Vieiro wrote: Hi all, Now that OpenSolaris is dead [1] I was wondering what the status of Java is in FreeBSD. [1] http://sstallion.blogspot.com/2010/08/opensolaris-is-dead.html IMO the status of Java is best to avoid it. Just ask Google. :-) I'm currently using OpenJDK16 from ports. Is OpenJDK free from Oracle hands or not? Depends what you mean by free. It's under the GPLv2, so I think you should be good wrt copyrights. Patents might be different matter, though! To the best of my knowledge, the EU law doesn't allow patenting software. But if you really want to know where you stand you should consult a lawyer who knows Spanish and EU patent law. People in the US could very well be screwed, however. OTOH, Oracle's lawsuit against Google over Android could potentially lead to the patents asserted in that case being found invalid. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgp8EQMUaa2tO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: AHCI driver
2010/8/10 Victor Ophof mr4hu...@hotmail.com: -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- questi...@freebsd.org] Namens Roland Smith Verzonden: dinsdag 10 augustus 2010 15:14 Aan: Victor Ophof CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; d...@nagual.nl Onderwerp: Re: AHCI driver On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 02:37:42PM +0200, Victor Ophof wrote: Its better to enable, but AD4 can get renamed to ada0 I think you should change can to will. :-) but it's easy to fix you just need to edit the /etc/fstab to point to the newly named drives .. Do this _before_ rebooting! When I rebooted into single user mode to update my laptop running 8.0 to 8.1, I couldn't edit my /etc/fstab, because my / wat mounted read-only, and I could not get it to remount as read/write! I had to boot with the old kernel (/boot/kernel.old/kernel) to be able to mount root as read/write and fix etc/fstab! There is a trick on the web, Something with mount -u then mount -a .. but the next link sounds better :) http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/ahci.html Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org In single-user mode, just use mount -o rw / and it works. I personnaly do this before editing something in single-user mode : # mount -o rw / # mount /var # mount /usr # TERM=vt100 vi /etc/fstab and everything is okay ;-) -- Demelier David ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Grepping a list of words
Since I will have a need to run this check frequently, any suggestions for a better approach are welcome. sort -u and comm(1)? sort is O(N log N) while grep is O(N) Which is faster depends on the constant factors in each, but as the data sets get bigger, the log N term will dominate. That is, for small sets of data, I don't know which will be faster, but either will be fast enough so who cares. For large sets of data, the sort will be slow. R's, John ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
apsfilter - hpijs dependence
In all FreeBSD-8.* so far, apsfilter can't be installed because of a dependenct on hpijs, apparently through foomatic. Is there a fix? I have no HP printer, so... a workaround? I find cups to be opaque, at my level at least :-( Thanks for previous help and present hope! c...@cape.com ABHOR SECRECY - DEFEND PRIVACY ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Status of Java in FreeBSD? (OpenSolaris is dead)
On 13/08/2010 20:57, Roland Smith wrote: On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 07:59:20PM +0200, Antonio Vieiro wrote: I'm currently using OpenJDK16 from ports. Is OpenJDK free from Oracle hands or not? Depends what you mean by free. It's under the GPLv2, so I think you should be good wrt copyrights. I think that the Diablo JVM has Sun source code [1], and this is released under a partner agreement or something, so I imagine Oracle could shut it down as well, right? OpenJDK is under GPLV2, but I'm not sure it covers the whole JVM. I'll try to find out. Thanks, Antonio [1] http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/downloads/java.shtml Patents might be different matter, though! To the best of my knowledge, the EU law doesn't allow patenting software. But if you really want to know where you stand you should consult a lawyer who knows Spanish and EU patent law. People in the US could very well be screwed, however. OTOH, Oracle's lawsuit against Google over Android could potentially lead to the patents asserted in that case being found invalid Roland ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Status of Java in FreeBSD? (OpenSolaris is dead)
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 11:57, Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 07:59:20PM +0200, Antonio Vieiro wrote: Hi all, Now that OpenSolaris is dead [1] I was wondering what the status of Java is in FreeBSD. [1] http://sstallion.blogspot.com/2010/08/opensolaris-is-dead.html IMO the status of Java is best to avoid it. Just ask Google. :-) So, what do you suggest for SSL VPN clients? Some/most/all of the clients for these things are Java-based - well, except for clients running Windows and for which there is (usually) an ActiveX control (shudder.) That's just the most interesting one to me, but OOo also relies on Java for some functionality (thought that's somewhat a Sun/Oracle effort too, and one wonders about its fate also) and there are other applications for which Java is a critical component. Kurt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Page fault in kernel when using CD, BSD 7.2
Mark Terribile wrote: AMI BIOS. The NB heatsink is barely warm (fan cooled), the not necessarily a good sign, you would get this if the heat from the cpu is not getting transferred to the heatsink. Remove, clean, apply new heat transfer compound, make sure the heatsink is actually seating properly, not getting lodged on something. Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Status of Java in FreeBSD? (OpenSolaris is dead)
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:58:01PM -0700, Kurt Buff wrote: On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 11:57, Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 07:59:20PM +0200, Antonio Vieiro wrote: Hi all, Now that OpenSolaris is dead [1] I was wondering what the status of Java is in FreeBSD. [1] http://sstallion.blogspot.com/2010/08/opensolaris-is-dead.html IMO the status of Java is best to avoid it. Just ask Google. :-) So, what do you suggest for SSL VPN clients? Some/most/all of the clients for these things are Java-based - well, except for clients running Windows and for which there is (usually) an ActiveX control (shudder.) If I read [2] correctly, isn't SSL VPN supposed to be clientless and work through the browser? [2]: http://www.windowsecurity.com/articles/VPN-Options.html That's just the most interesting one to me, but OOo also relies on Java for some functionality (thought that's somewhat a Sun/Oracle effort too, and one wonders about its fate also) and there are other applications for which Java is a critical component. According to [3], some OpenOffice functionality depends on Java, but it can be built without it. I hacked the OOO (2.x IIRC) port to that effect once, but I deleted it since I didn't use it much. Personally I prefer Emacs, LaTeX and assorted scripting languages. :-) [3]: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Java_and_OpenOffice.org Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpugFS5taLNd.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Status of Java in FreeBSD? (OpenSolaris is dead)
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 08:57:08PM +0200, Roland Smith wrote: On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 07:59:20PM +0200, Antonio Vieiro wrote: Hi all, Now that OpenSolaris is dead [1] I was wondering what the status of Java is in FreeBSD. [1] http://sstallion.blogspot.com/2010/08/opensolaris-is-dead.html IMO the status of Java is best to avoid it. Just ask Google. :-) I'm currently using OpenJDK16 from ports. Is OpenJDK free from Oracle hands or not? Depends what you mean by free. It's under the GPLv2, so I think you should be good wrt copyrights. Patents might be different matter, though! To the best of my knowledge, the EU law doesn't allow patenting software. But if you really want to know where you stand you should consult a lawyer who knows Spanish and EU patent law. People in the US could very well be screwed, however. OTOH, Oracle's lawsuit against Google over Android could potentially lead to the patents asserted in that case being found invalid. y're right on your last paragraph. i think/hope that oracle's fist fight leads to their quicker bankruptcy... to which they've been headed for quite some time. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.83a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: Status of Java in FreeBSD? (OpenSolaris is dead)
-Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Roland Smith Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 12:50 AM To: Kurt Buff Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Status of Java in FreeBSD? (OpenSolaris is dead) On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:58:01PM -0700, Kurt Buff wrote: On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 11:57, Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 07:59:20PM +0200, Antonio Vieiro wrote: Hi all, Now that OpenSolaris is dead [1] I was wondering what the status of Java is in FreeBSD. [1] http://sstallion.blogspot.com/2010/08/opensolaris-is-dead.html IMO the status of Java is best to avoid it. Just ask Google. :-) So, what do you suggest for SSL VPN clients? Some/most/all of the clients for these things are Java-based - well, except for clients running Windows and for which there is (usually) an ActiveX control (shudder.) If I read [2] correctly, isn't SSL VPN supposed to be clientless and work through the browser? [2]: http://www.windowsecurity.com/articles/VPN-Options.html Yeah, but when you want to launch any application through WebVPN (telnet for example) you have to start Java applet. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Documentation on how to build 32bit applications on amd64?
In the last episode (Aug 13), Yuri said:
On 08/13/2010 09:24, Dan Nelson wrote:
Try adding -B/usr/lib32 to your first gcc line. The specs file should
be modified to add this automatically when you pass -m32, imho.
Thank you Dan, this flag worked.
But I found a strange discrepancy between 32bit and 64bit.
When I compile the program below in 64 bit, I get the correct result.
With 32 bit executable compiled on 64 bit system like you suggested
there is another (wrong) result. On 32 bit system result is also
correct, the same as with 64 executable.
This is a very strange discrepancy. rm_eo field is zero in the match
result which is wrong. I can't think of any explanation for it.
I think Anonymous is right, and that it's due to the /usr/include headers on
amd64 not being 32-bit-mode aware. So you end up with some structure
members being sized for 64-bit machines instead of 32-bit. I bet struct
regex_t on your cross-compiled program is the same size as your native
64-bit program, where it should match your 32-bit program instead. I took
that -B /usr/lib32 flag from /usr/src/Makefile.inc1 , where it builds the
lib32 compat libraries, and it looks like it also temporarily installs a
full 32-bit include directory and compiles against that with -iprefix
${LIB32TMP}/usr/ . You may have to install a full 32-bit tree somewhere
and chroot to it to build, or look more closely at how buildworld compiles
the lib32 stuff and mimic that, or submit patches to the base include files
that make them 32 and 64-bit compatible depending on compiler flags.
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Favorite terminal software?
In the past, I've used TeraTerm Pro with SSH (since it's free and seems to work just fine), but I wanted to see if anyone had any other recommendations for terminal software they like. I'd like it to be free, but if you've got something you really like that costs a few bucks, I'm O.K. with that too. Suggestions??? Thank you, Ed ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: Favorite terminal software?
-Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Ed Flecko Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 2:14 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Favorite terminal software? In the past, I've used TeraTerm Pro with SSH (since it's free and seems to work just fine), but I wanted to see if anyone had any other recommendations for terminal software they like. I'd like it to be free, but if you've got something you really like that costs a few bucks, I'm O.K. with that too. A lot of people use PuTTY (or KiTTY, fork of PuTTY). SecureCRT is very popular also because of scripting/tabs support, but it's costly. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Favorite terminal software?
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010, Ed Flecko wrote: In the past, I've used TeraTerm Pro with SSH (since it's free and seems to work just fine), but I wanted to see if anyone had any other recommendations for terminal software they like. I'd like it to be free, but if you've got something you really like that costs a few bucks, I'm O.K. with that too. Suggestions??? I do the vast majority of my work with ssh and xterm, only using putty, gnome-terminal, etc. when testing terminal applications. FWIW, I just did some testing today with the iSSH App on an iPad, and it works reasonably well connecting to a variety of *nix servers. I do have clients connecting to FilePro applications using the PowerTerm program from Ericom, mostly because they want something that does a good SCO emulation as FilePro's support for xterm is somewhat poor (which I'm working on now fix the termcap :-). Bill -- INTERNET: b...@celestial.com Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way Voice: (206) 236-1676 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820 Fax:(206) 232-9186 Skype: jwccsllc (206) 855-5792 politics, as a practice, whatever its professions, has always been the systematic organization of hatreds. -- Heny Adams ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Documentation on how to build 32bit applications on amd64?
On 08/13/2010 14:44, Dan Nelson wrote:
I think Anonymous is right, and that it's due to the /usr/include headers on
amd64 not being 32-bit-mode aware. So you end up with some structure
members being sized for 64-bit machines instead of 32-bit. I bet struct
regex_t on your cross-compiled program is the same size as your native
64-bit program, where it should match your 32-bit program instead. I took
that -B /usr/lib32 flag from /usr/src/Makefile.inc1 , where it builds the
lib32 compat libraries, and it looks like it also temporarily installs a
full 32-bit include directory and compiles against that with -iprefix
${LIB32TMP}/usr/ . You may have to install a full 32-bit tree somewhere
and chroot to it to build, or look more closely at how buildworld compiles
the lib32 stuff and mimic that, or submit patches to the base include files
that make them 32 and 64-bit compatible depending on compiler flags.
I think the best way is to modify headers to depend on compiler flags
(__i386/__amd64). This makes such cross compile seamless for all future
attempts to cross compile.
The problem I see is that there are currently 83 includes of
machine/... headers from outside the machine/ hierarchy.
cd /usr/include grep -r machine * | grep include | grep -v ^machine
Looks like all of them should be made conditional on compiler flags like
this:
...
#if !defined(__i386)
#include machine/header.h
#else
#include /usr/src/sys/i386/include/header.h
#endif
...
Or rather pointing to some location (if any) where 32 bit headers would
normally reside on amd64 host.
Do you think this is reasonable?
Should I make a patch, or maybe further discuss on hack...@?
Yuri
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Re: ts_to_ct flood on 8.1-STABLE
Since installing 8.1-RC2 and now on up-to-date RELENG_8 I am frequently getting kern.crit messages like ts_to_ct(1281661818.743348859) = [2010-08-13 01:10:18] and have been unable so far to determine their origin or purpose. I saw no such messages while running 7.x or earlier releases. This occurs when the rtc is set, via: atrtc_settime--clock_ts_to_ct after a verbose boot. I think that someone changed some of the timekeeping code to periodically adjust the value of the rtc if ntp is used to update the system time, machdep.disable_rtc_set=0, and the rtc driver hasn't been disabled: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/viewvc/base?view=revisionrevision=208297 This is probably what you are seeing. It should occur every machdep.rtc_save_period seconds. It's probably harmless, unless the adjustments are big or erratic, in which case you may want to check your rtc's battery, or the results of your ntp usage. b. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
5900 RPM drives
Can anyone give me any reasons to buy these over 7200RPMs for a RAID? I may need to pinch pennies if I have to finance my next servers out of pocket. Stupid idea, I know, but I really want to know if there's a reason to skimp. -- Ryan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 5900 RPM drives
On 14.08.2010 03:52, Ryan Coleman wrote: Can anyone give me any reasons to buy these over 7200RPMs for a RAID? I may need to pinch pennies if I have to finance my next servers out of pocket. Stupid idea, I know, but I really want to know if there's a reason to skimp. They're a little slower, use a whole lot less power (saves pennies per hour), meaning less heat (pennies per hour saved on cooling), less vibrations (increased lifetime, less need to noise-isolate disk setups to avoid vibrations slowing seeks). Unless you _NEED_ the 125mbytes/sec-per-device transfers of the 7200rpm drives (you can live with 100mbytes/sec), then go for the 5900rpm drives. //Svein -- +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X|2020 Skedsmokorset | sv...@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | sv...@stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listm...@stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +---+--- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |sv...@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle:SS16503-RIPE +---+--- If you really are in a hurry, mail me at svein-mob...@stillbilde.net This mailbox goes directly to my cellphone and is checked even when I'm not in front of my computer. Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Telnet = servname ai_socktype error
jaymax writes: telnet 0 smtp is the same as telnet localhost 25 or telnet localhost smtp #v+ % getent hosts 0 0.0.0.0 0 % telnet 0 25 Trying 0.0.0.0... Connected to 0. Escape character is '^]'. 220 chateau.d.if ESMTP ^] telnet quit Connection closed. #v- I wasn't expecting this to even work. I hope this connecting to the wild-card address only works on the same box. And sorry I didn't know that connecting to 0.0.0.0 actually connects to 127.0.0.1. But its interesting how 'getent hosts' returns an IPv4 address when given a 32-bit number as hostname. -- Ashish SHUKLA | GPG: F682 CDCC 39DC 0FEA E116 20B6 C746 CFA9 E74F A4B0 freebsd.org!ashish | http://people.freebsd.org/~ashish/ “A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.” (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry) pgpOu795oPxcu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: 5900 RPM drives
I was actually looking at the Seagate Barracuda model... I'm upgrading my RAID 5 of 8x1TB to something larger. $135 each: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148487 On Aug 13, 2010, at 10:28 PM, TJ Varghese wrote: On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Ryan Coleman ryan.cole...@cwis.biz wrote: Can anyone give me any reasons to buy these over 7200RPMs for a RAID? I may need to pinch pennies if I have to finance my next servers out of pocket. Stupid idea, I know, but I really want to know if there's a reason to skimp. Specific models that you're considering would be good. For WD, if you're referring to the WD's GreenPower (non-RAID Ed), there are 2 gotchas 1) no support for TLER any longer - this IMHO is a deal breaker for RAID 2) ridiculously low sleep times (6s) to maximize power savings - in a server, this would cause extreme load cycles, however this setting can be set to less extreme numbers using wdidle. The main technical criterion for any HDDs to be used in a raid IMO should be TLER support IMO. Speed/capacity would be secondary concerns. regards, TJ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Re: 5900 RPM drives
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Ryan Coleman ryan.cole...@cwis.biz wrote: Can anyone give me any reasons to buy these over 7200RPMs for a RAID? I may need to pinch pennies if I have to finance my next servers out of pocket. Stupid idea, I know, but I really want to know if there's a reason to skimp. Specific models that you're considering would be good. For WD, if you're referring to the WD's GreenPower (non-RAID Ed), there are 2 gotchas 1) no support for TLER any longer - this IMHO is a deal breaker for RAID 2) ridiculously low sleep times (6s) to maximize power savings - in a server, this would cause extreme load cycles, however this setting can be set to less extreme numbers using wdidle. The main technical criterion for any HDDs to be used in a raid IMO should be TLER support IMO. Speed/capacity would be secondary concerns. regards, TJ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: test
On 14.08.2010 05:23, PR wrote: epic fail. ;) //Svein -- +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X|2020 Skedsmokorset | sv...@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | sv...@stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listm...@stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +---+--- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |sv...@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle:SS16503-RIPE +---+--- If you really are in a hurry, mail me at svein-mob...@stillbilde.net This mailbox goes directly to my cellphone and is checked even when I'm not in front of my computer. Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Telnet = servname ai_socktype error
TY Dan, I ran the tcpdump on the lo0 interface, ran telnet as shown below, interestingly only the telnet localhost 25 produced an output (which I cannot fully decipher, except for the acknowledgment hand shake and the checksum, but can't figure out the drop or closure event Oddly, telnet localhost smtp and telnet localhost produced nothing in the dumpfile, just the localhost: servname not supported for ai_socktype to stdout [1] mach# telnet localhost localhost: servname not supported for ai_socktype [2] mach# telnet localhost smtp localhost: servname not supported for ai_socktype [3] mach# telnet localhost 25 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]'. Connection closed by foreign host. Only [3] produced a tcpdump output, shown as follows == mach# tcpdump -i lo0 -vvv tcpdumpfile Ctrl C 7 packets captured 7 packets received by filter 0 packets dropped by kernel 20:31:41.366749 IP (tos 0x10, ttl 64, id 11415, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP (6), length 60) localhost.54336 localhost.25: S, cksum 0x5c3a (correct), 1583394158:1583394158(0) win 65535 mss 16344,nop,wscale 3,sackOK,timestamp 10736343 0 20:31:41.366815 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 11416, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP (6), length 60) localhost.25 localhost.54336: S, cksum 0xc615 (correct), 2069694587:2069694587(0) ack 1583394159 win 65535 mss 16344,nop,wscale 3,sackOK,timestamp 394525367 10736343 20:31:41.366836 IP (tos 0x10, ttl 64, id 11417, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP (6), length 52) localhost.54336 localhost.25: ., cksum 0x0c01 (correct), 1:1(0) ack 1 win 8960 nop,nop,timestamp 10736344 394525367 20:31:41.398688 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 11421, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP (6), length 52) localhost.25 localhost.54336: F, cksum 0x0be1 (correct), 1:1(0) ack 1 win 8960 nop,nop,timestamp 394525398 10736344 20:31:41.398731 IP (tos 0x10, ttl 64, id 11422, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP (6), length 52) localhost.54336 localhost.25: ., cksum 0x0bc2 (correct), 1:1(0) ack 2 win 8960 nop,nop,timestamp 10736375 394525398 20:31:41.399162 IP (tos 0x10, ttl 64, id 11423, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP (6), length 52) localhost.54336 localhost.25: F, cksum 0x0bc0 (correct), 1:1(0) ack 2 win 8960 nop,nop,timestamp 10736376 394525398 20:31:41.399191 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 11424, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP (6), length 52) localhost.25 localhost.54336: ., cksum 0x0bc0 (correct), 2:2(0) ack 2 win 8959 nop,nop,timestamp 394525399 10736376 Hope you can see something in there, Thanks again PS: Couldn't find anything in the /var/log files either Shouldn't the telnet localhost generate a connection? -- Dan Nelson wrote: In the last episode (Aug 12), jaymax said: FreeBSD my.domain.com 7.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE #0: Fri May 1 08:49:13 UTC 2009 r...@walker.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 Testing a Qmail SMTP installation with Telnet (normally use SSH for networking) Temporary Telnet set up for testing == _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Server set up == % telnet localhost 25 Trying 127.0.0.1... telnet: connect to address 127.0.0.1: Connection reset by peer That sounds like you connected but qmail crashed or otherwise uncleanly closed the socket. Does a tcpdump on lo0 show any interesting activity when you try that command? -- Dan Nelson dnel...@allantgroup.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Telnet-%3D%3E-servname-ai_socktype-error-tp29425269p29434929.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
