Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...
On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 17:49:56 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: > These days, it seems like the only places > people *really* think they still need Java are smartphones and > "enterprise" systems running on overpriced servers -- neither of which > makes a difference for Firefox on the desktop. Let me add another field: There are applicances like "all-in-one DSL modem telephone splitter router DHCP server NAT firewall boxes" that are very common in german households. Those usually use Java to present their control elements to the user; "Applet loading" is often seen when connected to that box in order to change some setting. I think the initial developers found it better to put a Java applet in there than some PHP generated HTML served by a little web server... they could have used an efficient and professional programming language, too, but that's something you won't find in home consumer crap devices. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...
Preface: Sorry for messing up the quotes and all, this message got a bit untidy so that even *I* am unsure who I am currently replying to. :-) On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:24:31 +, four.harris...@googlemail.com wrote: > On 10. sep. 2010, at 16:29, mer...@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote: > > Except for video playback, which HTML5 fixes as well. And yes, until > > then, we're stuck with Flash. Sadly not. While HTML5 standardizes the embedding of video content, there still seems to be a problem with codec to use. All this idiotic crap of patenting, licensing, and all the fee-loaded lawyer-stuff that has NO need to exist in a technical discussion brought "Flash" where it is today: "Flash" is abused as a replacement of HTML, mostly by "professional program managers" and script kiddies. HTML5 browsers would need to be able to play video content out of the box, WITHOUT the need for installing additional codecs "that are illegal to use in my country" - you know what I mean. It's like requiring a plugin at OS kernel level to display text in bold face, or showing a PNG image in a web page! > > I repeat... Java had its day. Time to move on. > > You are forgetting - or conveniently ignoring - that many still > NEED Java support in their browsers - and not of their own choice. I think the initial suggestion to move on was directed exactly at the reasons you mentioned in the next sentence: > Banks, insurances, digital signature services etc. Still frequently > use Java as carrier for their services. Often this cannot be changed > easily as such organizations have long turn-around times and make > investments in the long term. Good software can always be changed easily. :-) > Java is still very much alive, and until html5 can validate and run > signed code it'll stay that way even on the client. And that is just > one of the reasons/scenarios. It's also very famous in education. For example, basic programming courses (not BASIC programming courses!) often use Java to teach the basics of programming. This produces bad programmers. :-) > I'm not using FreeBSD on the desktop for just this kind o reasons. I'm using FreeBSD *exclusively* on the desktop since version 4.0. I never had issues with Java - it always worked. I admit that it wasn't very easy in the first years due to Sun's licensing politics (again, politics are the enemy of every educated technical consi- deration), but it worked. Both in Opera (my main browser) and Firefox, among many "testing bed" browsers I had to use in the past. Since "Flash" works on FreeBSD, I also tried this out. After one week, I removed it. Reason: No need for it. You are right that Java is still needed in some places on the web, but it's far more easy to deal with Java problems than with "Flash" problems, I think. > So either one takes the time to implement what people _need_ in > addition to what you would prefer them to need, or the desktop > can as well be ditched and focus moved to improving FreeBSD for > servers, where it already excels. First of all, please see the big difference between "what people need" and "what people want", and who those people are. I'm sure I don't have to elaborate on this. :-) Second, FreeBSD is an excellent MULTI-purpose operating system that can be used on terminals, workstations, servers, and on all kinds of mixed forms. I would be sad to lose only one of those functionalities. For a more desktop-centric FreeBSD that has all the stuff "what people need", refer to PC-BSD. > Some sites make accessing them difficult without Flash, but I > consider that their problem and move on. Yes, same here. > FreeBSD isn't just good for servers. As I said. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: kernel replacement in installation media
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Jason C. Wells wrote > > I do believe you can omit the *.symbols files. I plan to try it myself. > Would someone please confirm this? > Yes you can remove them safely. > > And you might look at resurrecting the picobsd method of crunching binaries > into one single statically linked binary with hard links of differing file > names if you want to get really small. I used to do this when compactflash > was only 128MiB. > /usr/src/tools/tools/nanobsd/ /usr/src/tools/tools/tinybsd/ -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Questions about setting bridge
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 10:29 PM, dave jones wrote: > > > > I think you want to lagg: > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-aggregation.html > > In Winodws, I setup a bridge with no problems. But in FreeBSD, it > seems doesn't work :( It does work quite well, Many, many people do it. Windows generally refers to this as network teaming, Linux nic bonding, and FreeBSD does lagg. If you bother to read the handbook link I sent, you'll see a way to accomplish your goal. Your bridge setup also has another error: ifconfig_em0="inet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0" You should not set an ip address on a member interface. The bridge interface should get the real ip, no alias. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: kernel replacement in installation media
On 09/10/10 20:01, CyberLeo Kitsana wrote: On 09/10/2010 07:57 PM, Samuel Martín Moro wrote: Hi, ... The thing is, it only have a 128M flash disk (seen as /dev/da0) GENERIC needs almost 250M. I have run into something similar, while building a ZFS install to run on an Intel SS4200EHW NAS device. Utilizing a series of scripts I have developed[1], I was able to compact an entire functional FreeBSD system into 4.6MB /boot and 84MB root with mkisofs and mkuzip, without permanently tying up a bunch of the machine's limited RAM with an MFS, and with acceptable performance despite the IDE channel's speed limit of 1.6MB/sec. Plus, boot and root are read-only, so the CompactFlash card won't wear out prematurely. You can make use of src.conf(5) while building world and kernel to eliminate a lot of unnecessary userland components, and MODULES_OVERRIDE and WITHOUT_MODULES to control what modules get built, as the kernel build process will build all modules regardless of what might be in your kernel config. Be prepared to perform lots of testing, though, as a missed critical dependency can appear to succeed, but leave something else broken. I do believe you can omit the *.symbols files. I plan to try it myself. Would someone please confirm this? And you might look at resurrecting the picobsd method of crunching binaries into one single statically linked binary with hard links of differing file names if you want to get really small. I used to do this when compactflash was only 128MiB. Thanks, Jason C. Wells ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Questions about setting bridge
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Adam Vande More wrote: >> I want to setup a bridge in a ring topology since a break at any point >> along the ring would >> still leave all stations connected. My machine has two nics. In >> /etc/rc.conf, I have: >> >> ifconfig_em0="inet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0" >> cloned_interfaces="bridge0" >> ifconfig_em0="up" >> ifconfig_em1="up" >> ifconfig_bridge0="addm em0 addm em1 up" >> ifconfig_bridge0_alias0="192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 up" >> >> I tried to boot my clients using tftpd, but it seems doesn't work if I >> unpluged >> em0. If I run "ifconfig em1 inet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0" then >> my clients can boot via tftpd. But it's not a bridge, right? >> I mean should I configure the same ip for em0, em1, and bridge0? > > 192.168.1.0/24 is not a valid address. Your addressable hosts are > 192.168.1.1 - 192.168.1.254. Oops, typo. Should be 192.168.1.1 > > I think you want to lagg: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-aggregation.html In Winodws, I setup a bridge with no problems. But in FreeBSD, it seems doesn't work :( > > -- > Adam Vande More > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: kernel replacement in installation media
On 09/10/2010 07:57 PM, Samuel Martín Moro wrote: > Hi, > ... > The thing is, it only have a 128M flash disk (seen as /dev/da0) > GENERIC needs almost 250M. I have run into something similar, while building a ZFS install to run on an Intel SS4200EHW NAS device. Utilizing a series of scripts I have developed[1], I was able to compact an entire functional FreeBSD system into 4.6MB /boot and 84MB root with mkisofs and mkuzip, without permanently tying up a bunch of the machine's limited RAM with an MFS, and with acceptable performance despite the IDE channel's speed limit of 1.6MB/sec. Plus, boot and root are read-only, so the CompactFlash card won't wear out prematurely. You can make use of src.conf(5) while building world and kernel to eliminate a lot of unnecessary userland components, and MODULES_OVERRIDE and WITHOUT_MODULES to control what modules get built, as the kernel build process will build all modules regardless of what might be in your kernel config. Be prepared to perform lots of testing, though, as a missed critical dependency can appear to succeed, but leave something else broken. [1] http://git.cyberleo.net/Mosi.git -- Fuzzy love, -CyberLeo Technical Administrator CyberLeo.Net Webhosting http://www.CyberLeo.Net Furry Peace! - http://.fur.com/peace/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: TexLive on FreeBSD 8.1
On 8/2/10, Nikola Lečić wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 18:54:43 + > Antonio Olivares wrote: > >> Sorry to ask, but you mention that the new TeXLive 2010 will be >> released this summer. Do you know *when exactly* it will be released? > > TeX Live and FreeBSD share the same principle: a release will be out > when it is ready. No deadlines: > > http://tug.org/pipermail/tex-live/2010-July/026779.html > > TL2010 pretest is currently at the stage of final testings. > >> I am also hoping that if use either the pretest one, or the official >> release, that *it*(The install procedure) also setup the paths, >> otherwise one has to do this manually :( >> [...] > > Ok, so you would like an installation procedure without need to change > PATH and other env vars and without installing binaries manually? The > following comes to mind (unfortunately, you must deinstall all traces > of teTeX from FreeBSD ports first, but I think you can easily maintain a > teTeX-free installation): > > (1) download TL2010 pretest tree: > rsync -a --delete --exclude="mactex*" > rsync://ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/local/tlpretest . > (don't forget the final dot) > > (2) run > ./install-tl -gui > (you'll need x11-toolkits/p5-Tk for GUI) > > (3) find the last option, "Create symlinks in system > directories" (which is "no" by default) and click "Change"; in the > small window, check "create symlinks in standard directories". > > (4) Click "Install TeX Live". > > That's all. You'll have FreeBSD binaries; no need to change PATH since > all TL binaries, manpages, etc. will be linked from /usr/local/bin/ etc. > > Hope this helps, > - -- @Nikola, Roland, & others that offered advice and suggestions TeXLive 2010 has officially been released: http://mirror.ctan.org/systems/texlive/Images/texlive2010.iso.xz Did not know, I hope to download it as soon as I can and try to install it, I might just set the symlinks manually since the required packages might not be there. Hope that there are no problems. BTW, do you know if this release has the editor (TeXWorks)? Why? The package found on the updates depends on TeTeX, while Kile and TeXMaker also do. This way I may avoid using them?, otherwise compile them from source(not through ports*tetex is a dep*) Regards, Antonio ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...
> "Jason" == Jason C Wells writes: Jason> On 09/10/10 07:29, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >> >> I repeat... Java had its day. Time to move on. >> >> Jason> Java is not just for browsers. Indeed. And I still stand by my statement. Java makes everyone equally incompetent, which is why managers like it. It helps the beginner, hurts the advanced. Managers can swap programmers in and out strictly on head count, not on experience. Friends don't let friends make greenstarts with Java. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...
On 09/10/10 07:29, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: I repeat... Java had its day. Time to move on. Java is not just for browsers. Regards, Jason C. Wells ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
kernel replacement in installation media
Hi,
I bought a QNAP ts-509.
I'ld like to set up a gate, with a RAID ; I'm still waiting for the disks,
5*2T - Samsung, ecogreen, 5400rpm - to be delivered.
I've seen managing a RAID may be quite difficult. That's my first one. I
don't want to loose everything 'cause of a mistake.
I've read zfs, and RAID-Z, may be helpfull, since there's no risk to loose
data on read, and since zfs handle variable blob (is that the correct word?)
size
The thing is, it only have a 128M flash disk (seen as /dev/da0)
GENERIC needs almost 250M.
I though about using mfsBSD. But I'm not sure my drivers would be there
(since at least the RAID one is quite new in FB-8).
I tried to build nanoBSD in a 128M disk, without configuring that much
(hoping it would be nano out-of-the-box), and it failed saying "no more
space on device"
Moreover, every small BSD with zfs I found was a custom FreeBSD. So I
decided to make mine.
First, from a USB stick, I installed FreeBSD on an other USB stick.
Then, I looked at what I would have to get in the kernel (mainly: da, usb,
ehci, kbd, vga, bge, ...)
So I build a custom kernel, deleting some lines from the GENERIC
configuration file.
As my USB stick doesn't seem to handle write access that well, I had to
compile the kernel on a VM, and the to send/extract the tarball on the NAS.
But once installed, I still have a lot of .ko in boot/kernel. I'm not sure I
actually removed something, except symbols.
Whatever, it worked I haven't that much time. Once I'll get some, I'll also
try to reduce the /usr size.
Then, I replaced the kernel from the installation stick with mine, updated
the .mtree and checksums files, ...
But, I didn't understood, what's the generic.inf file? How can I update it?
In doubt, I deleted it. And maybe I shouldn't have. (or is it because my
kernel is not called "GENERIC" any more, but "QNAP"?!)
The thing is, the install failed, I finished it with the Fixit shell, untar
my kernel, ... it's now "working"
So, first question, how can I be sure I removed modules from my kernel? is
there something to add to the config file? how can I have so much if_*.ko,
while I deleted almost all device lines?
Second one, how to generate .inf files for distribs? (I may have to do it at
least for base too)
And even if it's a dirty way to do it, is it ok to update a .img file (or
the created stick)? or should I rebuild everything? (on my VM...)
Regards,
Samuel Martín Moro
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Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 08:16:51AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: > > Perhaps someone could provide specific use cases for which Java is the > only good solution? I guess the only answer to that is "running applications someone wrote in Java" -- but I know that's *not* what you meant. > > I don't have Flash installed on my browser, and what I lack from that is > evident. I have yet to miss Java in any way. What problems would it > solve for people that can't be solved using a different approach? I have intentionally avoided installing Java for a long time. This has caused some issues with getting OpenOffice.org running, but the single use I've had for it in the last year (give or take) dried up a couple months or so ago, so that reason to care went away. I sure as heck have never actually *needed* Java in my browser, for any reason. Who still uses Java in the browser without some alternative for those who don't have it, these days? These days, it seems like the only places people *really* think they still need Java are smartphones and "enterprise" systems running on overpriced servers -- neither of which makes a difference for Firefox on the desktop. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgptlaEGLrQCm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Unable to create plasma widget per tutorial
There is a tutorial at: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma/GettingStarted My tutorial1 widget doesn't appear in the add widgets box. Any ideas? -- System Name: laptop2.StevenFriedrich.org Hardware: 2.80GHz Intel Pentium 4 (HTT) with 2 GB memory OS version:FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE i386 (6.9 MB kernel) manager(s):kde4-4.5.1 X windows: xorg-7.5X.Org X Server 1.7.5 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: fsck reports errors on clean filesystem (mounted rw)
On Sep 10, 2010, at 3:27 PM, cronfy wrote: > 1. Can I be sure my filesystem is consistent? Reasonably. > 2. If fsck reports nonexistent errors (and probably will try to fix > them if asked), isn't it even danger to run fsck on running system? Running fsck in foreground mode on a mounted filesystem is not recommended. > 3. How can I check (not fix) filesystems while partitions are mouted > rw and are under usage? fsck -B...? See "man fsck_ffs". Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
fsck reports errors on clean filesystem (mounted rw)
Hello. I ran fsck on my filesystems while system was running (partitons were mounted rw with moderate FS usage). fsck reported there were errors (INCORRECT BLOCK COUNT and others). I decided to reboot to single mode and check all filesystems. But in single mode fsck did not find any errors. 1. Can I be sure my filesystem is consistent? 2. If fsck reports nonexistent errors (and probably will try to fix them if asked), isn't it even danger to run fsck on running system? 3. How can I check (not fix) filesystems while partitions are mouted rw and are under usage? FreeBSD 7.3/kernel, 7.2/world. Thanks in advance. -- // cronfy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: How to Best Prevent Unwanted named installation
At 04:58 PM 9/10/2010, Martin McCormick wrote: contrib/bind9 directory. What is the safest way to disable that build without adversly effecting the rest of the update? Hi, Take a look at the man page for src.conf (and make.conf for completeness). You can control parts of what gets built and installed. ---Mike The reason for doing these things in this order is that I would like to get bind running as quickly as possible since it takes a couple of hours or more to get the world built when we could be doing DNS. Since I am not using that version of bind, not getting it built is no problem. I don't even care if it gets built so long as it does not end up in /usr/sbin to clobber the new bind9.7. This is not really a complaint. I just want to prevent the installation of the old bind over the new one as simply as possible. Thanks. Martin McCormick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications,m...@sentex.net Providing Internet since 1994www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
How to Best Prevent Unwanted named installation
After successfully installing bind97 from a package on to a new server, I do a cvs-sup of the system to get the latest patches in to the kernel. After discovering that bind97 had been replaced with bind9.6.1, I looked in /usr/src and there is a contrib/bind9 directory. What is the safest way to disable that build without adversly effecting the rest of the update? The reason for doing these things in this order is that I would like to get bind running as quickly as possible since it takes a couple of hours or more to get the world built when we could be doing DNS. Since I am not using that version of bind, not getting it built is no problem. I don't even care if it gets built so long as it does not end up in /usr/sbin to clobber the new bind9.7. This is not really a complaint. I just want to prevent the installation of the old bind over the new one as simply as possible. Thanks. Martin McCormick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
sysutils/eiciel - can't portupgrade but dependencies to gnome2-power-tools
Hi, Upon upgrading my ports I ran into a problem: When portupgrade comes to upgrading sysutils/eiciel it stops with the following message: ===> eiciel-0.9.8 is marked as broken: does not compile. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/sysutils/eiciel. # However eiciel is needed by gnome2-power-tools. # pkg_info -Rx eiciel | more Information for eiciel-0.9.6.1_6: Required by: gnome2-power-tools-2.30.2_1 # So how can I do a portupgrade for gnome2-power-tools when a port that it depends on can't be upgraded? Thanks much in advance for any hint! -ewald PS: System im question is freebsd 7.3, AMD64 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: question on access to res utility
2seconds spent Googling the phrase pulls up my much more polite answer to exactly the same question from a month ago. Absolutely no effort was made, that much is OBVIOUS. In my defense when I realised the the OP thought that this was a Juniper support list I did offer to try help. "Opportunity is most often missed by people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." Thomas Alva Edison Inventor of 1093 patents, including: The light bulb, phonogram and motion pictures. On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 9:44 PM, mikel king wrote: > I'm glad that I am not the only one who felt that was a bit extreme. > > This is a BSD, not Linux, list after all. > > > Regards, > Mikel King > Senior Editor, BSD News Network > Columnist, BSD Magazine > 6 Alpine Court, > Medford, NY 11763 > o: 631.627.3055 > http://www.linkedin.com/in/mikelking > http://twitter.com/mikelking > > On Sep 10, 2010, at 3:22 PM, Adam Vande More wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Ross Cameron >> wrote: >> >> It's not the first time that almost word for word the same question has >>> been >>> asked by someone from that domain. >>> >>> >> True but juniper has given a great of IP to BSD. Gracefully handling some >> runoff seems appropriate. >> >> -- >> Adam Vande More >> ___ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" >> > > > > > > > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: question on access to res utility
I'm glad that I am not the only one who felt that was a bit extreme. This is a BSD, not Linux, list after all. Regards, Mikel King Senior Editor, BSD News Network Columnist, BSD Magazine 6 Alpine Court, Medford, NY 11763 o: 631.627.3055 http://www.linkedin.com/in/mikelking http://twitter.com/mikelking On Sep 10, 2010, at 3:22 PM, Adam Vande More wrote: On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Ross Cameron wrote: It's not the first time that almost word for word the same question has been asked by someone from that domain. True but juniper has given a great of IP to BSD. Gracefully handling some runoff seems appropriate. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org " ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: question on access to res utility
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 08:58:46PM +0200, Ross Cameron wrote: > It's not the first time that almost word for word the same question has been > asked by someone from that domain. > And not the first time some idiot rude reply caused much more harm than good. jerry > > "Opportunity is most often missed by people because it is dressed in > overalls and looks like work." > Thomas Alva Edison > Inventor of 1093 patents, including: > The light bulb, phonogram and motion pictures. > > > > On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Alessandro Dellavedova < > alessandro.dellaved...@ifom-ieo-campus.it> wrote: > > > > > On Sep 10, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Ross Cameron wrote: > > > > > As an !!! employee !!! of Juniper I would expect that you would know that > > > the "res" command is part of the JunOS shell and NOT part of the > > underlying > > > FreeBSD OS. > > > > > > Most especially since you're "helping" what sounds like a member of the > > > press, therefore you SHOULD have / SOME / idea of what you are doing. > > > > > > What respect I had for Juniper's products has been ruined of last as this > > is > > > NOT the first time that a Juniper employee has posted such completely > > > idiotic emails to this list. > > >Please do tell what are the employment requirements? Know how to press > > > the "ON" button on a kettle? > > > > Please don't be so rude, maybe she's a Press Office employee, looking for a > > bit of help here. > > Working at Juniper does not mean being a JunOS developer or a tech guru. > > > > It's just one e-mail on hundreds that you get per day, and it does not > > hurt. > > > > Just my opinion, peace > > > > Alessandro > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Joanne McClintock > >wrote: > > > > > >> I'm helping a new writer use tech pubs lab routers. In trying to use the > > >> res utility, he gets the following: > > >> > > >> -bash-2.05b$ res show tp5 > > >> -bash: res: command not found > > >> > > >> In giving the uname -a command he gets: > > >> > > >> -bash-2.05b$ uname -a > > >> FreeBSD bigpink.juniper.net 4.10-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 4.10-RELEASE-p2 #0: > > >> Mon Oct 25 16:23:23 PDT 2004 r...@bigpink.juniper.net: > > /usr/src/sys/compile/bigpink > > >> i386 > > >> > > >> We are wondering if perhaps this is an access problem. Any ideas? Need > > any > > >> other information? Thanks. > > >> > > >> Joanne > > >> ___ > > >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > > >> freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > > >> > > > ___ > > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > > freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > > > > > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: question on access to res utility
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Ross Cameron wrote: > It's not the first time that almost word for word the same question has > been > asked by someone from that domain. > True but juniper has given a great of IP to BSD. Gracefully handling some runoff seems appropriate. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: question on access to res utility
On Sep 10, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Ross Cameron wrote: > As an !!! employee !!! of Juniper I would expect that you would know that > the "res" command is part of the JunOS shell and NOT part of the underlying > FreeBSD OS. > > Most especially since you're "helping" what sounds like a member of the > press, therefore you SHOULD have / SOME / idea of what you are doing. > > What respect I had for Juniper's products has been ruined of last as this is > NOT the first time that a Juniper employee has posted such completely > idiotic emails to this list. >Please do tell what are the employment requirements? Know how to press > the "ON" button on a kettle? Please don't be so rude, maybe she's a Press Office employee, looking for a bit of help here. Working at Juniper does not mean being a JunOS developer or a tech guru. It's just one e-mail on hundreds that you get per day, and it does not hurt. Just my opinion, peace Alessandro > > > On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Joanne McClintock wrote: > >> I'm helping a new writer use tech pubs lab routers. In trying to use the >> res utility, he gets the following: >> >> -bash-2.05b$ res show tp5 >> -bash: res: command not found >> >> In giving the uname -a command he gets: >> >> -bash-2.05b$ uname -a >> FreeBSD bigpink.juniper.net 4.10-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 4.10-RELEASE-p2 #0: >> Mon Oct 25 16:23:23 PDT 2004 >> r...@bigpink.juniper.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/bigpink >> i386 >> >> We are wondering if perhaps this is an access problem. Any ideas? Need any >> other information? Thanks. >> >> Joanne >> ___ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" >> > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: question on access to res utility
It's not the first time that almost word for word the same question has been asked by someone from that domain. "Opportunity is most often missed by people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." Thomas Alva Edison Inventor of 1093 patents, including: The light bulb, phonogram and motion pictures. On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Alessandro Dellavedova < alessandro.dellaved...@ifom-ieo-campus.it> wrote: > > On Sep 10, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Ross Cameron wrote: > > > As an !!! employee !!! of Juniper I would expect that you would know that > > the "res" command is part of the JunOS shell and NOT part of the > underlying > > FreeBSD OS. > > > > Most especially since you're "helping" what sounds like a member of the > > press, therefore you SHOULD have / SOME / idea of what you are doing. > > > > What respect I had for Juniper's products has been ruined of last as this > is > > NOT the first time that a Juniper employee has posted such completely > > idiotic emails to this list. > >Please do tell what are the employment requirements? Know how to press > > the "ON" button on a kettle? > > Please don't be so rude, maybe she's a Press Office employee, looking for a > bit of help here. > Working at Juniper does not mean being a JunOS developer or a tech guru. > > It's just one e-mail on hundreds that you get per day, and it does not > hurt. > > Just my opinion, peace > > Alessandro > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Joanne McClintock >wrote: > > > >> I'm helping a new writer use tech pubs lab routers. In trying to use the > >> res utility, he gets the following: > >> > >> -bash-2.05b$ res show tp5 > >> -bash: res: command not found > >> > >> In giving the uname -a command he gets: > >> > >> -bash-2.05b$ uname -a > >> FreeBSD bigpink.juniper.net 4.10-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 4.10-RELEASE-p2 #0: > >> Mon Oct 25 16:23:23 PDT 2004 r...@bigpink.juniper.net: > /usr/src/sys/compile/bigpink > >> i386 > >> > >> We are wondering if perhaps this is an access problem. Any ideas? Need > any > >> other information? Thanks. > >> > >> Joanne > >> ___ > >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > >> freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > >> > > ___ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 06:46, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >> "Jules" == Jules Gilbert writes: > > Jules> Look, I'm just a user. I'm not a Java developer, not a language > Jules> developer, not a run-time specialist. But folks, we got problems! I > Jules> say this because it's becoming really hard to make Java run on a > Jules> browser. > > And that's why I challenged you as to "why". We needed Java to run in > the browser back before we had cross-platform DHTML widgets. But with > HTML5 around the corner, I've got to again ask, "why Java"? > > Java had its day. Time to move on. Why Java? I've worked with several SSL VPNs (SonicWall, Juniper, Aventail) for $WORK, and they all require a java-enabled browser - so unless you're suggesting that DHTML and HTML5 can replace that, I need a java-enabled browser. Aside from that, there are some really nice apps written in Java - including Data Crow, which is a pretty decent cataloging utility for my books and movies and such, and I haven't seen anything nearly as good as that written in a cross-platform language, so that I can move it between my FreeBSD machine and my family's Windows machines. Kurt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: question on access to res utility
As an !!! employee !!! of Juniper I would expect that you would know that the "res" command is part of the JunOS shell and NOT part of the underlying FreeBSD OS. Most especially since you're "helping" what sounds like a member of the press, therefore you SHOULD have / SOME / idea of what you are doing. What respect I had for Juniper's products has been ruined of last as this is NOT the first time that a Juniper employee has posted such completely idiotic emails to this list. Please do tell what are the employment requirements? Know how to press the "ON" button on a kettle? "Opportunity is most often missed by people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." Thomas Alva Edison Inventor of 1093 patents, including: The light bulb, phonogram and motion pictures. On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Joanne McClintock wrote: > I'm helping a new writer use tech pubs lab routers. In trying to use the > res utility, he gets the following: > > -bash-2.05b$ res show tp5 > -bash: res: command not found > > In giving the uname -a command he gets: > > -bash-2.05b$ uname -a > FreeBSD bigpink.juniper.net 4.10-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 4.10-RELEASE-p2 #0: > Mon Oct 25 16:23:23 PDT 2004 > r...@bigpink.juniper.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/bigpink > i386 > > We are wondering if perhaps this is an access problem. Any ideas? Need any > other information? Thanks. > > Joanne > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: question on access to res utility
Joanne, I did a quick which and search of the ports that yielded nothing concrete regarding this command. I believe that this a proprietary Juniper utility. I found similar reference to this at this url: http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?23,124019,124019 As much as I hate passing the buck, I'd have to punt this back to someone familiar with the changes to FreeBSD made in JunOS. Regards, Mikel King Senior Editor, BSD News Network Columnist, BSD Magazine 6 Alpine Court, Medford, NY 11763 o: 631.627.3055 http://www.linkedin.com/in/mikelking http://twitter.com/mikelking On Sep 10, 2010, at 12:42 PM, Joanne McClintock wrote: I'm helping a new writer use tech pubs lab routers. In trying to use the res utility, he gets the following: -bash-2.05b$ res show tp5 -bash: res: command not found In giving the uname -a command he gets: -bash-2.05b$ uname -a FreeBSD bigpink.juniper.net 4.10-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 4.10-RELEASE-p2 #0: Mon Oct 25 16:23:23 PDT 2004 r...@bigpink.juniper.net:/usr/ src/sys/compile/bigpink i386 We are wondering if perhaps this is an access problem. Any ideas? Need any other information? Thanks. Joanne ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org " ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
question on access to res utility
I'm helping a new writer use tech pubs lab routers. In trying to use the res utility, he gets the following: -bash-2.05b$ res show tp5 -bash: res: command not found In giving the uname -a command he gets: -bash-2.05b$ uname -a FreeBSD bigpink.juniper.net 4.10-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 4.10-RELEASE-p2 #0: Mon Oct 25 16:23:23 PDT 2004 r...@bigpink.juniper.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/bigpink i386 We are wondering if perhaps this is an access problem. Any ideas? Need any other information? Thanks. Joanne ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: IBM server SAS controller support?
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Den 10. sep. 2010 kl. 15:51 skrev Samuel Martín Moro :
> two solutions:
> - compiling the kernel with the driver (device pci and device mfi in the
> configuration file)
> - mfi_load="YES" in your loader.conf
>
>
> Samuel Martín Moro
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> Maybe nobody knows ..."
> Xorg.conf(5)
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Christian Thørn Bakken
> wrote:
>
>> I understand that you, Ivan, managed to install FreeBSD on an IBM Series x
>> 3650 M3 server with the LSI M1015 SAS/SATA RAID controller.
>>
>>
>> Ivan, did you tweak something to install, or did it work "out of the box"
>> for you?
>> Which FreeBSD version did you install?
>>
>> My main objective is to install the appliance distro SpanTitan 5.04 from
>> www.spamtitan.com. It's based on FreeBSD 7.3 and the manufacturer
>> confirms that the mfi(4) driver is compiled into the kernel.
>>
>> I've also tried with another (vanilla) version of FreeBSD (8.1), but with
>> no luck. It just says there's no disk drives found.
>>
>> Regards
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Re: IBM server SAS controller support?
Sorry about the blank post...
As I wrote in my former post, SpamTitan claims that the driver is already
compiled into the kernel.
Even if that is correct, it wouldn't hurt to try the loader.conf approach,
would it? Can I just edit the loader.conf file in a loop mounted .iso, and
then just burn the .iso to a bootable CD?
Regards
Christian T Bakken
Den 10. sep. 2010 kl. 15:51 skrev Samuel Martín Moro :
> two solutions:
> - compiling the kernel with the driver (device pci and device mfi in the
> configuration file)
> - mfi_load="YES" in your loader.conf
>
>
> Samuel Martín Moro
> {EPITECH.} tek4
> CamTrace S.A.S
> (+033) 1 41 38 37 60
> 1 Allée de la Venelle
> 92150 Suresnes
> FRANCE
>
> "Nobody wants to say how this works.
> Maybe nobody knows ..."
> Xorg.conf(5)
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Christian Thørn Bakken
> wrote:
>
>> I understand that you, Ivan, managed to install FreeBSD on an IBM Series x
>> 3650 M3 server with the LSI M1015 SAS/SATA RAID controller.
>>
>>
>> Ivan, did you tweak something to install, or did it work "out of the box"
>> for you?
>> Which FreeBSD version did you install?
>>
>> My main objective is to install the appliance distro SpanTitan 5.04 from
>> www.spamtitan.com. It's based on FreeBSD 7.3 and the manufacturer
>> confirms that the mfi(4) driver is compiled into the kernel.
>>
>> I've also tried with another (vanilla) version of FreeBSD (8.1), but with
>> no luck. It just says there's no disk drives found.
>>
>> Regards
>> Christian T. Bakken___
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Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...
- From: "Eirik Øverby" Subject:Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask... Date: 10th September 2010 16:20 On 10. sep. 2010, at 16:29, mer...@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote: >> "Mark" == Mark Sommer writes: > > Mark> That's a pretty idealistic view of the upcoming release of HTML5. > Mark> I have yet to see a release of HTML that is compatible across > Mark> browsers, i.e. adapted universally by all browsers uniformly. > Mark> Java is still a very viable platform, even on the browser. > > Whenever I see Java firing up on my browser, I cringe. (Flash too.) > > There are darn few things either of these do that a good modern > cross-platform library, like jQueryUI, can't do instead. > > Except for video playback, which HTML5 fixes as well. And yes, until > then, we're stuck with Flash. > > We needed Java before we had good JavaScript. Now we have good > JavaScript. > > I repeat... Java had its day. Time to move on. You are forgetting - or conveniently ignoring - that many still NEED Java support in their browsers - and not of their own choice. Banks, insurances, digital signature services etc. Still frequently use Java as carrier for their services. Often this cannot be changed easily as such organizations have long turn-around times and make investments in the long term. Java is still very much alive, and until html5 can validate and run signed code it'll stay that way even on the client. And that is just one of the reasons/scenarios. I'm not using FreeBSD on the desktop for just this kind o reasons. I'm sure it would be a great choice in an ideal world but we are unfortunately living in a real one. So either one takes the time to implement what people _need_ in addition to what you would prefer them to need, or the desktop can as well be ditched and focus moved to improving FreeBSD for servers, where it already excels. /Eirik I've been running FreeBSD as my sole desktop since 5.2.1. I bank and shop online. I do not have either Java or Flash installed. I have yet to find any functionality missing because of the lack of Java. Some sites make accessing them difficult without Flash, but I consider that their problem and move on. FreeBSD isn't just good for servers. Peter Harrison www.4harrisons.blogspot.com > > -- > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 > http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> > Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion > ___ > freebsd-j...@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-java > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-java-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...
On Fri, 2010-09-10 at 08:16 -0700, Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth Randal L. Schwartz on Friday, 10 September 2010: > > > "Mark" == Mark Sommer writes: > > > > Mark> That's a pretty idealistic view of the upcoming release of HTML5. > > Mark> I have yet to see a release of HTML that is compatible across > > Mark> browsers, i.e. adapted universally by all browsers uniformly. > > Mark> Java is still a very viable platform, even on the browser. > > > > Whenever I see Java firing up on my browser, I cringe. (Flash too.) > > > > There are darn few things either of these do that a good modern > > cross-platform library, like jQueryUI, can't do instead. > > > > Except for video playback, which HTML5 fixes as well. And yes, until > > then, we're stuck with Flash. > > > > We needed Java before we had good JavaScript. Now we have good > > JavaScript. > > > > I repeat... Java had its day. Time to move on. > > > > Perhaps someone could provide specific use cases for which Java is the > only good solution? > > I don't have Flash installed on my browser, and what I lack from that is > evident. I have yet to miss Java in any way. What problems would it > solve for people that can't be solved using a different approach? > One that springs to mind for me is alom/ilo/drac console redirection... It requires java unfortunately. I suspect there are a lot of legacy applications that use javaws... It will take time for them to catch up once html5 is proper mainstream if at all. Cheers Craig B ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 5:48 AM, Jerry wrote: > Excepting donations != producing results. I will be happy to donate > $100 US dollars to their fund once they distribute a fully up-to-date > version of JAVA, not some reworked, deprecated version, that is fully > compatible with Firefox on FreeBSD. I believe the current version of > Java is Version 6 Update 21. It simply goes counter to my basic > business model to contribute any monetary assistance to any open ended > project. > Did you contribute back when it was up to date? Or do you contribute now based on all the other features you find useful in FreeBSD? So you won't write code, you won't donate money, but constantly complain about it. I guess I fail to see the logic in your basic business model. I've donated fairly regularly, and things I've requested like HA and XEN support are at least partially here now. If you're in the US your donations are tax deductible, at least monetary donations are, so there is even less argument against donations. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...
On 10. sep. 2010, at 16:29, mer...@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote: >> "Mark" == Mark Sommer writes: > > Mark> That's a pretty idealistic view of the upcoming release of HTML5. > Mark> I have yet to see a release of HTML that is compatible across > Mark> browsers, i.e. adapted universally by all browsers uniformly. > Mark> Java is still a very viable platform, even on the browser. > > Whenever I see Java firing up on my browser, I cringe. (Flash too.) > > There are darn few things either of these do that a good modern > cross-platform library, like jQueryUI, can't do instead. > > Except for video playback, which HTML5 fixes as well. And yes, until > then, we're stuck with Flash. > > We needed Java before we had good JavaScript. Now we have good > JavaScript. > > I repeat... Java had its day. Time to move on. You are forgetting - or conveniently ignoring - that many still NEED Java support in their browsers - and not of their own choice. Banks, insurances, digital signature services etc. Still frequently use Java as carrier for their services. Often this cannot be changed easily as such organizations have long turn-around times and make investments in the long term. Java is still very much alive, and until html5 can validate and run signed code it'll stay that way even on the client. And that is just one of the reasons/scenarios. I'm not using FreeBSD on the desktop for just this kind o reasons. I'm sure it would be a great choice in an ideal world but we are unfortunately living in a real one. So either one takes the time to implement what people _need_ in addition to what you would prefer them to need, or the desktop can as well be ditched and focus moved to improving FreeBSD for servers, where it already excels. /Eirik > > -- > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 > http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> > Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion > ___ > freebsd-j...@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-java > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-java-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...
Quoth Randal L. Schwartz on Friday, 10 September 2010: > > "Mark" == Mark Sommer writes: > > Mark> That's a pretty idealistic view of the upcoming release of HTML5. > Mark> I have yet to see a release of HTML that is compatible across > Mark> browsers, i.e. adapted universally by all browsers uniformly. > Mark> Java is still a very viable platform, even on the browser. > > Whenever I see Java firing up on my browser, I cringe. (Flash too.) > > There are darn few things either of these do that a good modern > cross-platform library, like jQueryUI, can't do instead. > > Except for video playback, which HTML5 fixes as well. And yes, until > then, we're stuck with Flash. > > We needed Java before we had good JavaScript. Now we have good > JavaScript. > > I repeat... Java had its day. Time to move on. > Perhaps someone could provide specific use cases for which Java is the only good solution? I don't have Flash installed on my browser, and what I lack from that is evident. I have yet to miss Java in any way. What problems would it solve for people that can't be solved using a different approach? -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com pgpLCAfdiSQYm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...
> "Mark" == Mark Sommer writes: Mark> That's a pretty idealistic view of the upcoming release of HTML5. Mark> I have yet to see a release of HTML that is compatible across Mark> browsers, i.e. adapted universally by all browsers uniformly. Mark> Java is still a very viable platform, even on the browser. Whenever I see Java firing up on my browser, I cringe. (Flash too.) There are darn few things either of these do that a good modern cross-platform library, like jQueryUI, can't do instead. Except for video playback, which HTML5 fixes as well. And yes, until then, we're stuck with Flash. We needed Java before we had good JavaScript. Now we have good JavaScript. I repeat... Java had its day. Time to move on. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...
On 9/10/10 7:46 AM, "Randal L. Schwartz" wrote: >> "Jules" == Jules Gilbert writes: > > Jules> Look, I'm just a user. I'm not a Java developer, not a language > Jules> developer, not a run-time specialist. But folks, we got problems! I > Jules> say this because it's becoming really hard to make Java run on a > Jules> browser. > > And that's why I challenged you as to "why". We needed Java to run in > the browser back before we had cross-platform DHTML widgets. But with > HTML5 around the corner, I've got to again ask, "why Java"? > > Java had its day. Time to move on. That's a pretty idealistic view of the upcoming release of HTML5. I have yet to see a release of HTML that is compatible across browsers, i.e. adapted universally by all browsers uniformly. Java is still a very viable platform, even on the browser. ~Mark ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: IBM server SAS controller support?
two solutions:
- compiling the kernel with the driver (device pci and device mfi in the
configuration file)
- mfi_load="YES" in your loader.conf
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On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Christian Thørn Bakken
wrote:
> I understand that you, Ivan, managed to install FreeBSD on an IBM Series x
> 3650 M3 server with the LSI M1015 SAS/SATA RAID controller.
>
>
> Ivan, did you tweak something to install, or did it work "out of the box"
> for you?
> Which FreeBSD version did you install?
>
> My main objective is to install the appliance distro SpanTitan 5.04 from
> www.spamtitan.com. It's based on FreeBSD 7.3 and the manufacturer
> confirms that the mfi(4) driver is compiled into the kernel.
>
> I've also tried with another (vanilla) version of FreeBSD (8.1), but with
> no luck. It just says there's no disk drives found.
>
> Regards
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Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...
> "Jules" == Jules Gilbert writes: Jules> Look, I'm just a user. I'm not a Java developer, not a language Jules> developer, not a run-time specialist. But folks, we got problems! I Jules> say this because it's becoming really hard to make Java run on a Jules> browser. And that's why I challenged you as to "why". We needed Java to run in the browser back before we had cross-platform DHTML widgets. But with HTML5 around the corner, I've got to again ask, "why Java"? Java had its day. Time to move on. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
IBM server SAS controller support?
I understand that you, Ivan, managed to install FreeBSD on an IBM Series x 3650 M3 server with the LSI M1015 SAS/SATA RAID controller. Ivan, did you tweak something to install, or did it work "out of the box" for you? Which FreeBSD version did you install? My main objective is to install the appliance distro SpanTitan 5.04 from www.spamtitan.com. It's based on FreeBSD 7.3 and the manufacturer confirms that the mfi(4) driver is compiled into the kernel. I've also tried with another (vanilla) version of FreeBSD (8.1), but with no luck. It just says there's no disk drives found. Regards Christian T. Bakken___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Any way to force AHCI mode on ICH8?
On 2010-09-09 15:51, Morgan Wesström wrote: > On 2010-09-09 13:04, Ivan Voras wrote: >> On 09/09/10 02:10, Morgan Wesström wrote: >>> I run FreeBSD 8.1 on an old Asus P5B-VM motherboard with ICH8. Its AMI >>> BIOS lacks an option to enable AHCI mode. Intel's datasheet for the ICH8 >>> family specifies that this feature exists on the ICH8, and the option is >>> available in the BIOS for the identical (apart from form factor) P5B >>> motherboard. >>> >>> http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/datasheet/313056.pdf >>> >>> I've contacted Asus support for an updated BIOS but I don't have much >>> hope I will ever see one. Would it be possible to patch the FreeBSD >>> kernel to enable AHCI mode somehow during boot? >> >> You mean except adding: >> >> ahci_load="YES" >> >> to /boot/loader.conf ? > > Yes, I meant if there was a way to programmatically switch the ICH8 into > AHCI mode before loading ahci(4). The BIOS on this motherboard only > provides a "legacy" and an "enhanced" option for the SATA controller. > Neither option turns on AHCI mode so ata(4) attaches to the controller. > There's also a JMicron controller, providing an eSATA connector, on this > motherboard. It is AHCI compatible and ahci(4) attaches correctly to it. > It would've been nice to be able to use NCQ and hotplug on the other > SATA connectors too since the ICH8 has those features. > Cross-posting this to freebsd-hackers in case that is a more appropriate list. On page 486, in the Intel I/O Controller Hub 8 (ICH8) Datasheet, there's a description of the address map register that controls the SATA mode selection (SMS). http://www.intel.com/assets/pdf/datasheet/313056.pdf I quote note 7: "Software shall not manipulate SMS during runtime operation (i.e., the OS will not do this). The BIOS may choose to switch from one mode to another during POST." That note is probably there for a reason but what would life be without experimentation? :-) This is of course far beyond my level of expertise, but would it be possible to flip the necessary register bit very early on in the boot process to turn the SATA controller into AHCI mode? Has anyone done anything like this and what part of the kernel or boot loader would be most appropriate to patch? I have no problem applying a patch and recompiling what's needed if anyone could provide the necessary code. Regards Morgan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: CNID DB vs afp
Thank you! Actually it was a the cnid failure, it wasn't running, now its ok :-) From: Peter Boosten To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Fri, September 10, 2010 1:25:28 PM Subject: Re: CNID DB vs afp On 10-9-2010 10:11, Dánielisz László wrote: > Hi, > > I having the following problem on my afpd share: "something wrong witht he > volume's CNID DB, using temporary CNIDB DB insted. Check server messages for > details. Switching to read-only mode". > I am using FreeBSD 8.0 for the afpd and OS-X 10.6.4, do you have any idea > what > to check? > try dbd -r /path/to/your/volume This will rebuild the DB. Also: check if cnid_metad is running. You might need cnid_metad_enable="yes" in your rc.conf -- http://www.boosten.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: ipfw fwd and ipfw allow
Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: > >A packet generated locally 1) should be forwarded by a 'fwd' > >rule and 2) should create a dynamic 'allow' rule for returning > >traffic. Could you please suggest a ruleset for this. > > The fw has the 10.0.0.1 IP address. > The 10.0.0.100 IP address belongs to another computer running a TCP > service at . > > The IPFW rules: > >fw# ipfw list > >00100 fwd 10.0.0.100 tcp from any to 10.90.10.3 dst-port keep-state > >00200 deny ip from any to any > >65535 allow ip from any to any It seems that the 'fwd ... keep-state' statement does create a useful dynamic rule. It contradicts the ipfw(8) man page but works. Thank you for enlightment. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:suda...@sibptus.tomsk.ru ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: CNID DB vs afp
On 10-9-2010 10:11, Dánielisz László wrote: > Hi, > > I having the following problem on my afpd share: "something wrong witht he > volume's CNID DB, using temporary CNIDB DB insted. Check server messages for > details. Switching to read-only mode". > I am using FreeBSD 8.0 for the afpd and OS-X 10.6.4, do you have any idea > what > to check? > try dbd -r /path/to/your/volume This will rebuild the DB. Also: check if cnid_metad is running. You might need cnid_metad_enable="yes" in your rc.conf -- http://www.boosten.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: lots of time_wait
2010/9/10 jason :
> hello,i have a problem:
> tcp4 0 0 192.168.0.26.9939 192.168.0.195.11211 TIME_WAIT
> netstat -an | awk '{if($5 ~/11200/ && $6 ~/TIME_WAIT/) print $0}' | wc -l
> 64203
>
> sysctl net.inet.tcp.msl
> net.inet.tcp.msl: 2500
>
You should check the application's idle connections time out.
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lots of time_wait
hello,i have a problem:
tcp4 0 0 192.168.0.26.9939 192.168.0.195.11211 TIME_WAIT
netstat -an | awk '{if($5 ~/11200/ && $6 ~/TIME_WAIT/) print $0}' | wc -l
64203
sysctl net.inet.tcp.msl
net.inet.tcp.msl: 2500
msl will not recycle "TIME_WAIT" states when have lots of "TIME_WAIT",like64203
so server local port will Exhaust， if i open a connection it will report:
telnet 192.168.0.195 11211
Trying 192.168.0.195...
telnet: connect to address 192.168.0.195: Can't assign requested address
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host
what can i do? only reboot server?
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CNID DB vs afp
Hi, I having the following problem on my afpd share: "something wrong witht he volume's CNID DB, using temporary CNIDB DB insted. Check server messages for details. Switching to read-only mode". I am using FreeBSD 8.0 for the afpd and OS-X 10.6.4, do you have any idea what to check? thx! László ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...
On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:43:36 -0500 Adam Vande More articulated: > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Jules Gilbert > wrote: > > > About Java. Using java with freebsd/mozilla or another browser. > > > > Some questions: > > > > Is GNU java sufficient? I need to be able to run a browser with > > Java. No alternative -- and no I don't want to run windoz. > > > > I'm trying to do an 8.1 install. > > > > Works fine for me as long as you stick with firefox35 > > > Does anyone have a website or even a set of notes as to the right > > way to do this. > > > > Now an opinion. If Oracle isn't going to help us, we should look > > around for an alternative, even inventing something else, something > > that isn't Sun/Oracle/Java. > > > > Because this problem has been getting progressively worse for the > > past three or four years or so (longer?,) and, look around, it's > > hurting the FreeBSD community. > > I believe the FreeBSD Foundation is still accepting donations. Excepting donations != producing results. I will be happy to donate $100 US dollars to their fund once they distribute a fully up-to-date version of JAVA, not some reworked, deprecated version, that is fully compatible with Firefox on FreeBSD. I believe the current version of Java is Version 6 Update 21. It simply goes counter to my basic business model to contribute any monetary assistance to any open ended project. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...
Look, I'm just a user. I'm not a Java developer, not a language developer, not a run-time specialist. But folks, we got problems! I say this because it's becoming really hard to make Java run on a browser. I didn't even know that Google and Oracle weren't getting along, I really am out of date. (All I do is code.) But here's the thing: almost no one can make a java enabled browser, and lot's of us need exactly that, java running on our browsers. So obviously this means that something is seriously wrong -- and worse, when I asked "how", no one came back and said "Oh, you obviously didn't install such-and-such a patch, do that and everything will work." No, and worse, the responses are all about possible solutions in the distant not-known-when-and-only-maybe future. I do think we should all get behind this Beat fellow, he's b...@freebsd.org, his work seems closest to bringing up a java-enabled browser, with zero or at least few problems. --jg On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >> "Jules" == Jules Gilbert writes: > > Jules> Now an opinion. If Oracle isn't going to help us, we should look > Jules> around for an alternative, even inventing something else, something > Jules> that isn't Sun/Oracle/Java. > > You mean something that looks like Java but isn't Java? > > That's precisely what the Oracle v. Google suit is about. Dangerous > road to go down at this point. > > Or do you mean something that isn't even Java, but has a lot of > Java-like features? > > I think you're describing "everything else already available in > production". Plenty of choices. > > -- > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 > http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> > Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion > -- Fellow Christians!, Read Galatians, chapter three, verse 14. Here Paul documents that Christians have been made part of God's original promise to Abraham, and that, because of Jesus, we are tied to these same promises. But don't for a moment imagine that God is done with the Jews!, no, God is even today working to fulfill every promise he made, even to save every person in Israel -- which God declares will be the case, for he say's that "all Israel will be saved." About this business with Iran... Don't fret. Jeremiah, who probably wrote the most about modern day Iran, advises us, beginning in chapter 34, verse 49, that Iran is going to lose big. Yes, one day both Egypt and Iran, in fact all of south-Asia be a community of Christian nations. (Both Isaiah and Zechariah make similar statements.) In fact Zechariah say's that Gazan's will one day be elected, freely elected by Jews, to high offices in Israel. Imagine that! But as my wife just told me! when I tried this on her, people aren't saved (or even helped,) by knowledge of prophecy, no, real assistance from the God of the Bible comes only one way; By tying oneself to Jesus, by asking to partner with him. He is the basis of help, of love, and change that brings with it God's love and assistance. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...
On 09/09/2010 22:02, Jules Gilbert wrote: > About Java. Using java with freebsd/mozilla or another browser. > > Some questions: > > Is GNU java sufficient? I need to be able to run a browser with Java. > No alternative -- and no I don't want to run windoz. > > I'm trying to do an 8.1 install. Looks like you might be in luck the thread here http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-gecko/2010-September/001099.html shows that there are 2 ports of icedtea including a plugin for firefox 3.6 in progress. It looks like the one at http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-java/2010-September/008806.html is in a better state at the moment. Vince > Does this problem exist with Sun's x86 OS? > > Does anyone have a website or even a set of notes as to the right way > to do this. > > Now an opinion. If Oracle isn't going to help us, we should look > around for an alternative, even inventing something else, something > that isn't Sun/Oracle/Java. > > Because this problem has been getting progressively worse for the past > three or four years or so (longer?,) and, look around, it's hurting > the FreeBSD community. > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Dual booting with OSX without bootcamp
Hi all,
Work has kindly supplied a shiny new macbook pro (6,2) so
I've re-partitioned it (OSX's grow/shrink partitions/filesystems online
is handy) and now have an EFI partition (hidden,) OSX partition, FreeBSD
/ partition, ZFS partition for the rest and a swap partition. I've
stuck with GPT to avoid reinstalling and the fiddly process that is
installing anything but windows via bootcamp without trashing the
system. FreeBSD was installed by using the DVD with the livefs,
Partitioning of free space done with gpart, and install done with the
shell scripts (in /dist/8.1-RELEASE/{kernel,base,whatever} adapted from
the instructions here
http://typo.submonkey.net/articles/2006/3/20/installing-freebsd-onto-a-usb-stick
)
The problem is booting it, my initial hope was that rEFIt would just
work, but no joy. Next I looked for an EFI loader for freebsd and found
http://blogs.freebsdish.org/rpaulo/2008/09/03/so-you-want-to-test-the-freebsdi386-efi-boot-loader/
but it still wont quite boot a kernel so no joy. Next came grub2 as this
will boot freebsd and also has EFI support, however the EFI support
doesnt support FreeBSD, so I cant find a way to boot . So currently I
can only boot FreeBSD by booting a grub2 CDROM, tellit it to look at the
config file on my mac partition, then booting freebsd using that, If
anyone has a better suggestion I'd welcome it.
Other than that it seems to be working ok, no wireless support as
its a broadcom 43224 which doesn't seem to be supported, however I see
that broadcom have just opensourced their linux drivers (including for
the 43224) so maybe that will open the way to more support in the BSDs
too. In the mean time I'll try ndiswrapper or just use a usb device, I
may try take it up to 9-CURRENT so i get atp(4) and see if anything else
relevant has been improved.
If anyone else has a simpler way of booting (without needing to use
bootcamp/the fakembr etc as I'm happy to never have to use
fdisk/bsdlabel again ;) then I'd be interested to hear it, I did see if
i could use grub2efi to boot grub2 (non efi), or use rEFIt to boot grub2
(non efi) from a file to avoid the cdrom but no joy.
Vince
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