Re: best way to rebuild all perl ports

[Sven-Åke Svensson]

2011-01-05 02:42, ja...@gnix.co.uk skrev:

Do you have PERL_VERSION= set correctly in /etc/make.conf?


This was set automatically when i first installed perl5.12. This line was later 
over-written when perl5.10 was installed. Since i used portupgrade to change 
back to perl5.12 this line has been set correctly. Susbsequent ports i've 
installed that require perl have been built against 5.12.

jamie

Hi

Check so you not have perl-threaded. If you have you must type
portupgrade -fr perl-treaded. Othervise it just do nothing.


Sven



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Re: setting a random password with PAM API

[Dag-Erling Smørgrav]

Christopher J. Ruwe c...@cruwe.de writes:
 I am trying to implement the feature to set a random password like in
 BSD pw usermod -W in the Solaris passwd. Regrettably, I have not
 found or perhaps not understood the PAM API documentation on how to
 _inject a given string_ into the change-auth-token function
 pam_chauthtok(...), which always jumps in an interactive pw-changing
 loop.

There is no reliable way to do that.  You don't even know that there is
such a thing as a password.

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mysql-5.5.8 Postfix/Dovecot

[Jerry]

I have seen it posted here and on the Dovecot forum that upgrading to
mysql-5.5.8 on FreeBSD breaks both Postfix and Dovecot. Apparently
reverting to the mysql-client-5.5.7 corrects this problem.

Can any one else confirm this or is this simply an isolated incident?
If this is correct, is there a PR filed against it? I was not able to
locate one. Specifically, I am interested in the interaction on an
FreeBSD-8.2 / amd64 system.

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port print/teTeX-base failed to install

[Anton Shterenlikht]

I'm updating to teTeX-base-3.0_21. I can build the
port, but trying to install it gives me this error:

*snip*
install  -o root -g wheel -m 444 ./mktex.opt 
/usr/local/share/texmf/web2c/mktex.opt
install  -o root -g wheel -m 555 ./mktexdir 
/usr/local/share/texmf/web2c/mktexdir
install  -o root -g wheel -m 444 ./mktexdir.opt 
/usr/local/share/texmf/web2c/mktexdir.opt
install  -o root -g wheel -m 555 ./mktexnam 
/usr/local/share/texmf/web2c/mktexnam
install  -o root -g wheel -m 444 ./mktexnam.opt 
/usr/local/share/texmf/web2c/mktexnam.opt
install  -o root -g wheel -m 555 ./mktexupd 
/usr/local/share/texmf/web2c/mktexupd
/bin/sh ../libtool --mode=install install  -o root -g wheel -m 444 
.libs/libkpathsea.a /usr/local/lib
install -o root -g wheel -m 444 .libs/libkpathsea.a /usr/local/lib/libkpathsea.a
ranlib /usr/local/lib/libkpathsea.a
chmod 644 /usr/local/lib/libkpathsea.a
/bin/sh ../libtool --mode=install install  -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 kpsewhich 
/usr/local/bin
install -o root -g wheel -m 555 -s kpsewhich /usr/local/bin/kpsewhich
install  -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 kpsestat /usr/local/bin
BFD: /usr/local/bin/stZ0ROVc: The first section in the PT_DYNAMIC segment is 
not the .dynamic section
strip:/usr/local/bin/stZ0ROVc[.interp]: Bad value
BFD: /usr/local/bin/stZ0ROVc: The first section in the PT_DYNAMIC segment is 
not the .dynamic section
strip:/usr/local/bin/stZ0ROVc: Bad value
install: wait: No such file or directory
gmake[2]: *** [install-exec] Error 70
gmake[2]: Leaving directory 
`/usr/ports/print/teTeX-base/work/tetex-src-3.0/texk/kpathsea'
gmake[1]: *** [install] Error 1
gmake[1]: Leaving directory 
`/usr/ports/print/teTeX-base/work/tetex-src-3.0/texk'
gmake: *** [install] Error 1
*** Error code 2

Stop in /usr/ports/print/teTeX-base.
#

Please advise

many thanks
anton

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Why top(1) only shows time of the main thread?

[Yuri]

TIME column is supposed to show time of the process (according to its 
man page).

But it seems like it only shows the time of its main thread.

Why? Bug in documentation?

Yuri
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Re: init: getty repeating too quickly on port /dev/ttyv8, sleeping 30 secs

[Anton Shterenlikht]

On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 03:04:44PM +, Matthew Seaman wrote:
 On 27/12/2010 14:11, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
  On 9.0-CURRENT r216732 ia64 I get this message:
  
  % grep getty /var/log/messages | tail
  Dec 27 13:26:57 mech-cluster241 init: getty repeating too quickly on port 
  /dev/ttyv8, sleeping 30 secs
  Dec 27 13:27:27 mech-cluster241 init: getty repeating too quickly on port 
  /dev/ttyv8, sleeping 30 secs
  Dec 27 13:27:57 mech-cluster241 init: getty repeating too quickly on port 
  /dev/ttyv8, sleeping 30 secs
  Dec 27 13:45:22 mech-cluster241 init: getty repeating too quickly on port 
  /dev/ttyv8, sleeping 30 secs
  Dec 27 13:45:53 mech-cluster241 init: getty repeating too quickly on port 
  /dev/ttyv8, sleeping 30 secs
  Dec 27 13:46:23 mech-cluster241 init: getty repeating too quickly on port 
  /dev/ttyv8, sleeping 30 secs
  Dec 27 13:52:55 mech-cluster241 init: getty repeating too quickly on port 
  /dev/ttyv8, sleeping 30 secs
  Dec 27 13:53:25 mech-cluster241 init: getty repeating too quickly on port 
  /dev/ttyv8, sleeping 30 secs
  Dec 27 13:57:56 mech-cluster241 init: getty repeating too quickly on port 
  /dev/ttyv8, sleeping 30 secs
  Dec 27 13:58:26 mech-cluster241 init: getty repeating too quickly on port 
  /dev/ttyv8, sleeping 30 secs
  %
  
  % grep ttyv8 /etc/ttys 
  ttyv8   /usr/local/bin/xdmxterm   on secure
  
  % cat /var/log/xdm.log 
  %
  
  And no other indication of anything going wrong.
  
  I've seen quite a few similar reports on the net,
  but no conclusive answer.
  
  What exactly does the above message mean?
 
 Usually that xdm is failing to start.  getty will keep trying to run it,
 and wil fill your log files with messages of failure until you fix the
 problem.
 
 I'd turn off xdm on that vty temporarily, [change 'on' to 'off' in that
 line in /etc/ttys, and 'kill -HUP 1' to restart init] and then try
 running xdm manually from the console to see what happens.  It could be
 all sorts of things causing the problem.

Matthew, yes, this helped.

I don't get this message in the logs anymore.

Perhaps the problem is that this node has no graphics card.
It accepts XDMCP connections only via network.
All virtual terminals are off, only serial terminals are
allowed in /etc/ttys. Maybe this conficts with the normal
operation of getty..

I'd still like to start xdm automatically on reboot.
If I can't do it via /etc/ttys,
what would be the alternative way?

many thanks
anton

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Re: best way to rebuild all perl ports

[jamie]

 Check so you not have perl-threaded. If you have you must type
 portupgrade -fr perl-treaded. Othervise it just do nothing.

wow that was easy. this was the problem and it's now rebuilding everything. 
thanks to everyone for their advice. 

jamie
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Re: mysql-5.5.8 Postfix/Dovecot

[Odhiambo Washington]

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote:

 I have seen it posted here and on the Dovecot forum that upgrading to
 mysql-5.5.8 on FreeBSD breaks both Postfix and Dovecot. Apparently
 reverting to the mysql-client-5.5.7 corrects this problem.

 Can any one else confirm this or is this simply an isolated incident?
 If this is correct, is there a PR filed against it? I was not able to
 locate one. Specifically, I am interested in the interaction on an
 FreeBSD-8.2 / amd64 system.


I haven't filed a case though. My system is 8.2-STABLE/i386.
I was running 5.5.7 with Request Tracker
(Devel)http://bestpractical.com/rtand all played nice until I
upgraded to 5.5.8. As this is a test platform, I
wanted to install the next devel version of RT when I encountered a problem
with initializing the database:
I get this error:

cut
DBD::mysql::st execute failed: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check
the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right
syntax to use near 'ENGINE=InnoDB  CHARACTER SET utf8' at line 15 at
/usr/home/wash/Tools/RT/RT-4/rt-4.0.0rc1/sbin/../lib/RT/Handle.pm line 508.
*** Error code 255
/cut

My worry is so much about the character set error.

I also found my dovecot broken:

Jan 05 15:26:16 master: Error: service(auth): child 46112 returned error 1
Jan 05 15:26:16 master: Error: service(auth): command startup failed,
throttling
Jan 05 15:26:51 pop3-login: Error: Timeout waiting for handshake from auth
server. my pid=46111, input bytes=0
Jan 05 15:27:16 auth: Error: /libexec/ld-elf.so.1:
/usr/local/lib/libmysqlclient.so.16: version libmysqlclient_16 required by
/usr/local/libexec/dovecot/auth not defined



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Re: a perl question

[Ian Smith]

In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 344, Issue 4, Message: 14
On Tue, 4 Jan 2011 23:24:01 -0700 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
  On Tue, Jan 04, 2011 at 09:33:03AM -0800, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
Patrick == Patrick Bihan-Faou patrick.bihan-f...@teambox.fr 
writes:
   
   Patrick cat asdf.txt | grep -v XYZ | grep -v bla
   
   And yet, you still have the Useless Use of Cat.
  
  The weirdest thing about most useless uses of cat is that not using cat
  would actually be a little clearer and involve fewer keystrokes -- as in
  this case.

Do you know of any 'less useless' or more economical way to do such as:

 % cat /boot/boot1 /boot/boot2 | diff - /boot/boot
 %

?, Ian
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Real ISO-8859-15 support or just an `alias' to 8859-1 ?

[David Demelier]

Hello,

I can't write these characters '€' 'œ' using ISO-8859-15 locales, in 
fact the 'œ' character is replaced with '½'.


As you can see here http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8859-15 the œ 
character should be replaced with ½, so i'm guessing if the locales are 
really using ISO-8859-15 and not only 8859-1


These problems were reported on xterm / urxvt with or without vim.

My locales :

mark...@melon ~ $ locale
LANG=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
LC_COLLATE=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
LC_TIME=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
LC_NUMERIC=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
LC_MONETARY=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
LC_MESSAGES=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
LC_ALL=

Kind regards,

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Re: Real ISO-8859-15 support or just an `alias' to 8859-1 ?

[Patrick Lamaiziere]

Le Wed, 05 Jan 2011 14:49:31 +0100,
David Demelier demelier.da...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Hello,

Hello,

 I can't write these characters '€' 'œ' using ISO-8859-15 locales, in 
 fact the 'œ' character is replaced with '½'.
 
 As you can see here http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8859-15 the œ 
 character should be replaced with ½, so i'm guessing if the locales
 are really using ISO-8859-15 and not only 8859-1
 
 These problems were reported on xterm / urxvt with or without vim.

I think the problem is the font.

It works fine using an iso8859-* in xterm, by example:
$ xterm -font '-*-fixed-medium-r-*-*-18-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*'

Works fine with Terminal too.

 My locales :
 
 mark...@melon ~ $ locale
 LANG=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
 LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
 LC_COLLATE=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
 LC_TIME=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
 LC_NUMERIC=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
 LC_MONETARY=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
 LC_MESSAGES=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
 LC_ALL=

looks good, I use:
~$ locale
LANG=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
LC_COLLATE=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
LC_TIME=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
LC_NUMERIC=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
LC_MONETARY=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
LC_MESSAGES=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
LC_ALL=fr_FR.ISO8859-15

Regards.
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Re: Real ISO-8859-15 support or just an `alias' to 8859-1 ?

[David Demelier]

On 05/01/2011 15:07, Patrick Lamaiziere wrote:

Le Wed, 05 Jan 2011 14:49:31 +0100,
David Demelierdemelier.da...@gmail.com  a écrit :


Hello,


Hello,


I can't write these characters '€' 'œ' using ISO-8859-15 locales, in
fact the 'œ' character is replaced with '½'.

As you can see here http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8859-15 the œ
character should be replaced with ½, so i'm guessing if the locales
are really using ISO-8859-15 and not only 8859-1

These problems were reported on xterm / urxvt with or without vim.


I think the problem is the font.


No, my font is DejaVu and it supports these characters!



It works fine using an iso8859-* in xterm, by example:
$ xterm -font '-*-fixed-medium-r-*-*-18-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*'



Exactly the same thing, '1/2' instead of 'oe' and a square instead of 
euro sign. It looks like I'm really using 8859-1 instead of 8859-15.



Works fine with Terminal too.


My locales :

mark...@melon ~ $ locale
LANG=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
LC_COLLATE=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
LC_TIME=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
LC_NUMERIC=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
LC_MONETARY=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
LC_MESSAGES=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
LC_ALL=


looks good, I use:
~$ locale
LANG=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
LC_COLLATE=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
LC_TIME=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
LC_NUMERIC=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
LC_MONETARY=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
LC_MESSAGES=fr_FR.ISO8859-15
LC_ALL=fr_FR.ISO8859-15

Regards.



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Re: vsftpd + SSL not working

[Redd Vinylene]

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Redd Vinylene reddvinyl...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Odhiambo Washington odhia...@gmail.comwrote:



 On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Redd Vinylene reddvinyl...@gmail.comwrote:

 I'm trying to set up a virtual vsftpd-ssl-2.3.2 server (FreeBSD
 8.2-PRERELEASE) so my band can share new tracks, production material and
 what not, but my SSL certificate keeps messing it up:
 http://pastie.org/1358536 - anybody know why? It works just fine when I
 disable the SSL. I have no firewalls running.

 I hope this is not too off-topic. I just don't know where else to ask.


 Would it not be better if you posted your configuration and debug logs for
 those willing to help you out to see?


 It's all in http://pastie.org/1358536, but incase you don't want to click
 the link:

 ## /var/log/vsftpd.conf (FTPRush)

 Wed Dec  8 11:21:07 2010 [pid 38781] CONNECT: Client 161.149.221.220
 Wed Dec  8 11:21:07 2010 [pid 38781] DEBUG: Client 161.149.221.220, SSL
 version: TLSv1/SSLv3, SSL cipher: DES-CBC3-SHA, not reused, no cert
 Wed Dec  8 11:21:08 2010 [pid 38780] [bruner] OK LOGIN: Client
 161.149.221.220
 Wed Dec  8 11:21:08 2010 [pid 38781] [bruner] DEBUG: Client
 161.149.221.220, SSL version: TLSv1/SSLv3, SSL cipher: DES-CBC3-SHA, not
 reused, no cert
 Wed Dec  8 11:21:08 2010 [pid 38781] [bruner] DEBUG: Client
 161.149.221.220, SSL shutdown state is: NONE
 Wed Dec  8 11:21:08 2010 [pid 38781] [bruner] DEBUG: Client
 161.149.221.220, SSL shutdown state is: SSL_SENT_SHUTDOWN

 And then the directory listing after 3 minutes:

 Wed Dec  8 11:24:29 2010 [pid 38781] [bruner] DEBUG: Client
 161.149.221.220, SSL shutdown state is: 3

 ## /var/log/vsftpd.conf (FlashFXP)

 Wed Dec  8 11:33:50 2010 [pid 56557] [bruner] OK LOGIN: Client
 161.149.221.220
 Wed Dec  8 11:33:51 2010 [pid 56558] [bruner] DEBUG: Client
 161.149.221.220, SSL version: TLSv1/SSLv3, SSL cipher: DES-CBC3-SHA,
 reused, no cert
 Wed Dec  8 11:33:51 2010 [pid 56558] [bruner] DEBUG: Client
 161.149.221.220, SSL shutdown state is: NONE
 Wed Dec  8 11:33:51 2010 [pid 56558] [bruner] DEBUG: Client
 161.149.221.220, SSL shutdown state is: SSL_SENT_SHUTDOWN
 Wed Dec  8 11:33:51 2010 [pid 56558] [bruner] DEBUG: Client
 161.149.221.220, SSL shutdown state is: SSL_SENT_SHUTDOWN
 Wed Dec  8 11:33:51 2010 [pid 56558] [bruner] DEBUG: Client
 161.149.221.220, SSL shutdown state is: SSL_SENT_SHUTDOWN
 Wed Dec  8 11:33:51 2010 [pid 56558] [bruner] DEBUG: Client
 161.149.221.220, SSL ret: 18446744073709551615, SSL error:
 error::lib(0):func(0):reason(0), errno: 22
 Wed Dec  8 11:33:53 2010 [pid 56559] [bruner] OK DELETE: Client
 161.149.221.220, /bruner_december_2010/track_1.mp3
 Wed Dec  8 11:33:53 2010 [pid 56559] [bruner] OK DELETE: Client
 161.149.221.220, /bruner_december_2010/tracks.sfv
 Wed Dec  8 11:33:53 2010 [pid 56559] [bruner] OK DELETE: Client
 161.149.221.220, /bruner_december_2010/tracks.txt
 Wed Dec  8 11:33:53 2010 [pid 56559] [bruner] OK DELETE: Client
 161.149.221.220, /bruner_december_2010/tracks.m3u

 And in FlashFXP:

 [R] 200 PORT command successful. Consider using PASV.
 [R] STOR tracks.m3u
 [R] Transfer Failed!
 [R] Connection lost: bruner

 I tried installing OpenSSL 1.0.0b from ports over 0.9.8p that came with
 FreeBSD - and then recompiling vsftpd (commenting out the .if ${OSVERSION} 
 70 and the .endif below it in the Makefile to force it to link to the
 port) - but it made no difference.

 ## openssl s_client -state -connect my_ip:800 (remote box)

 CONNECTED(0003)
 SSL_connect:before/connect initialization
 SSL_connect:SSLv2/v3 write client hello A
 SSL_connect:error in SSLv2/v3 read server hello A
 3280:error:140770FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown
 protocol:/usr/src/secure/lib/libssl/../../../crypto/openssl/ssl/s23_clnt.c:567:

 ## openssl s_client -tls1 -state -connect my_ip:800 (remote box)

 CONNECTED(0003)
 SSL_connect:before/connect initialization
 SSL_connect:SSLv3 write client hello A
 SSL3 alert write:fatal:protocol version
 SSL_connect:error in SSLv3 read server hello A
 3392:error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version
 number:/usr/src/secure/lib/libssl/../../../crypto/openssl/ssl/s3_pkt.c:284:

 ## openssl s_server -cert vsftpd.pem -key vsftpd.pem -accept 4443
 (localhost)

 Using default temp DH parameters
 Using default temp ECDH parameters
 ACCEPT
 -BEGIN SSL SESSION PARAMETERS-
 MHUCAQECAgMBBAIAOQQgMAQ7m6+qXFxEjTGqANwiHnptuHDkR+55xtbmzAhtHDwE
 MLF1LRUOLLBlR8J9QrkZkiCtBgWC88NwFVX4p9wYtt09Ms0MQm/EuzMB1Jm7uquC
 taEGAgRM/7XlogQCAgEspAYEBAE=
 -END SSL SESSION PARAMETERS-
 Shared
 

Bot?

[Robert Fitzpatrick]

Keep getting calls from our provider at one location that our FreeBSD 
8.0-RELEASE server is sending bursts of 1000 spam messages to 70K 
recipients. Since the first call a few weeks ago, I have MRTG and Mail 
Statistics graphs setup and see no spikes in traffic. Their last 
sighting was over the weekend and graphs show a reduction in traffic 
during that time as expected, again with no spikes in traffic or 
messages sent/received by our Postfix/Amavisd-maia MTA. All services on 
that server including SSH, SMTP and mail queue size all monitored by 
Nagios and have had no alerts from that server.


Nonetheless, they claim I must have a bot and the mail is not passing 
through my own SMTP. And I suspect little traffic is needed for the 
alleged bursts. They have no envelope info. Can someone advise on what 
port(s) are available for bot detection and/or prevention? In all my 
years of running FreeBSD as mail gateways, this is the first time I've 
had this issue.


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Re: Bot?

[Jerry Bell]

It's unlikely that the bot would relay outbound spam through your MTA - 
that would be inconvenient, slow and raise some suspicion.  If the 
provider is right, you most likely have a bit of code running on the 
server that is directly connecting to external mail servers.  There 
could be reasons you aren't seeing a spike, such as you're only looking 
at traffic processed by the MTA, or it simply doesn't show as a material 
increase on a graph of traffic on the network interface if the server is 
busy.


Jerry
On 1/5/2011 10:41 AM, Robert Fitzpatrick wrote:
Keep getting calls from our provider at one location that our FreeBSD 
8.0-RELEASE server is sending bursts of 1000 spam messages to 70K 
recipients. Since the first call a few weeks ago, I have MRTG and Mail 
Statistics graphs setup and see no spikes in traffic. Their last 
sighting was over the weekend and graphs show a reduction in traffic 
during that time as expected, again with no spikes in traffic or 
messages sent/received by our Postfix/Amavisd-maia MTA. All services 
on that server including SSH, SMTP and mail queue size all monitored 
by Nagios and have had no alerts from that server.




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Re: Bot?

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Wednesday, January 05, 2011 a las 10:41:29AM -0500, Robert Fitzpatrick 
escribió:

 Keep getting calls from our provider at one location that our FreeBSD 
 8.0-RELEASE server is sending bursts of 1000 spam messages to 70K 
 recipients. Since the first call a few weeks ago, I have MRTG and Mail 
 Statistics graphs setup and see no spikes in traffic. Their last 
 sighting was over the weekend and graphs show a reduction in traffic 
 during that time as expected, again with no spikes in traffic or 
 messages sent/received by our Postfix/Amavisd-maia MTA. All services on 
 that server including SSH, SMTP and mail queue size all monitored by 
 Nagios and have had no alerts from that server.
 
 Nonetheless, they claim I must have a bot and the mail is not passing 
 through my own SMTP. And I suspect little traffic is needed for the 
 alleged bursts. They have no envelope info. Can someone advise on what 
 port(s) are available for bot detection and/or prevention? In all my 
 years of running FreeBSD as mail gateways, this is the first time I've 
 had this issue.
 
 --Robert

Check with tcpdump (on another host connected by a HUB, no switch, to
the box) if you can see that port 25 traffic of the NIC of the host;
that would be my 1st check to catch it...

If someone has lifted up your FreeBSD into a VM running on that bot, you
will not see this inside the FreeBSD, I think.

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Re: a perl question

[Chip Camden]

Quoth Chad Perrin on Tuesday, 04 January 2011:
 On Tue, Jan 04, 2011 at 09:33:03AM -0800, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
   Patrick == Patrick Bihan-Faou patrick.bihan-f...@teambox.fr 
   writes:
  
  Patrick cat asdf.txt | grep -v XYZ | grep -v bla
  
  And yet, you still have the Useless Use of Cat.
 
 The weirdest thing about most useless uses of cat is that not using cat
 would actually be a little clearer and involve fewer keystrokes -- as in
 this case.
 
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I blame OOP.  Programmer thinks about the data stream before they think
about the process.  It's a nouns-first orientation.

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Re: a perl question

[Chip Camden]

Quoth Ian Smith on Thursday, 06 January 2011:
 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 344, Issue 4, Message: 14
 On Tue, 4 Jan 2011 23:24:01 -0700 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
   On Tue, Jan 04, 2011 at 09:33:03AM -0800, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
 Patrick == Patrick Bihan-Faou patrick.bihan-f...@teambox.fr 
 writes:

Patrick cat asdf.txt | grep -v XYZ | grep -v bla

And yet, you still have the Useless Use of Cat.
   
   The weirdest thing about most useless uses of cat is that not using cat
   would actually be a little clearer and involve fewer keystrokes -- as in
   this case.
 
 Do you know of any 'less useless' or more economical way to do such as:
 
  % cat /boot/boot1 /boot/boot2 | diff - /boot/boot
  %
 
 ?, Ian
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Here you're using cat for what it was intended -- conCATenation.  It's
the right tool for that job.

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Re: Bot?

[Kevin Wilcox]

On 5 January 2011 10:47, Jerry Bell je...@nrdx.com wrote:

 There could be reasons you
 aren't seeing a spike, such as you're only looking at traffic processed by
 the MTA, or it simply doesn't show as a material increase on a graph of
 traffic on the network interface if the server is busy.

Those are good points and to go a little further regarding looking at
traffic...

To really see what your machine is doing, consider taking a look at
the network flows. pfflowd, netflowd, ipaudit and a host of others can
get you flow data with mostly minimal overhead.

kmw
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Re: Real ISO-8859-15 support or just an `alias' to 8859-1 ?

[David Demelier]

by the way xev outputs this :

KeyPress event, serial 27, synthetic NO, window 0x1c1,
root 0x12c, subw 0x0, time 1519140, (917,798), root:(919,814),
state 0x90, keycode 13 (keysym 0x20ac, EuroSign), same_screen YES,
XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (a4) ¤
XmbLookupString gives 1 bytes: (a4) ¤
XFilterEvent returns: False

KeyRelease event, serial 27, synthetic NO, window 0x1c1,
root 0x12c, subw 0x0, time 1519323, (917,798), root:(919,814),
state 0x90, keycode 13 (keysym 0x20ac, EuroSign), same_screen YES,
XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (a4) ¤
XFilterEvent returns: False


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Checking for ZFS upgrade 'Gotcha's

[Gene]

Hi All:
I'm just upgraded from FBSD 8.0 (amd64) to 8.1, I currently run with the ZFS 
file system containing root. I understand that in the past, after rebuilding 
world and kernel and upgrading the pool to version 14,  there have been some 
issues concerning bootcode not being able to read the upgraded pools. Does 
anyone know if this is still an issue?

Thanks,
Gene



Versions are:

zfs upgrade
This system is currently running ZFS filesystem version 3.

All filesystems are formatted with the current version.

and:

zpool upgrade
This system is currently running ZFS pool version 14.

The following pools are out of date, and can be upgraded.  After being
upgraded, these pools will no longer be accessible by older software versions.

VER  POOL
---  
13   zroot

Use 'zpool upgrade -v' for a list of available versions and their associated
features.



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Re: Real ISO-8859-15 support or just an `alias' to 8859-1 ?

[Patrick Lamaiziere]

Le Wed, 05 Jan 2011 17:20:02 +0100,
David Demelier demelier.da...@gmail.com a écrit :

 by the way xev outputs this :

The keysym is good.

IMO the problem is in the display. How do you see this text in
iso-8859-15 (download and cat test.txt)?
http://user.lamaiziere.net/patrick/test.txt

You should see un œuf pour un €uro

I confirm that the DejaVu font displays well the euro and
the oe french ligature. Well, I don't know where is your problem. It has
always worked fine here, on the console and under X11.

If it can help, locale -a
~$ locale -a | grep fr_FR
fr_FR.ISO8859-1
fr_FR.ISO8859-15
fr_FR.UTF-8

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Re: port print/teTeX-base failed to install

[Frank Shute]

On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 11:56:33AM +, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:

 I'm updating to teTeX-base-3.0_21. I can build the
 port, but trying to install it gives me this error:
 
 *snip*
 install  -o root -g wheel -m 444 ./mktex.opt 
 /usr/local/share/texmf/web2c/mktex.opt
 install  -o root -g wheel -m 555 ./mktexdir 
 /usr/local/share/texmf/web2c/mktexdir
 install  -o root -g wheel -m 444 ./mktexdir.opt 
 /usr/local/share/texmf/web2c/mktexdir.opt
 install  -o root -g wheel -m 555 ./mktexnam 
 /usr/local/share/texmf/web2c/mktexnam
 install  -o root -g wheel -m 444 ./mktexnam.opt 
 /usr/local/share/texmf/web2c/mktexnam.opt
 install  -o root -g wheel -m 555 ./mktexupd 
 /usr/local/share/texmf/web2c/mktexupd
 /bin/sh ../libtool --mode=install install  -o root -g wheel -m 444 
 .libs/libkpathsea.a /usr/local/lib
 install -o root -g wheel -m 444 .libs/libkpathsea.a 
 /usr/local/lib/libkpathsea.a
 ranlib /usr/local/lib/libkpathsea.a
 chmod 644 /usr/local/lib/libkpathsea.a
 /bin/sh ../libtool --mode=install install  -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 
 kpsewhich /usr/local/bin
 install -o root -g wheel -m 555 -s kpsewhich /usr/local/bin/kpsewhich
 install  -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 kpsestat /usr/local/bin
 BFD: /usr/local/bin/stZ0ROVc: The first section in the PT_DYNAMIC segment is 
 not the .dynamic section
 strip:/usr/local/bin/stZ0ROVc[.interp]: Bad value
 BFD: /usr/local/bin/stZ0ROVc: The first section in the PT_DYNAMIC segment is 
 not the .dynamic section
 strip:/usr/local/bin/stZ0ROVc: Bad value
 install: wait: No such file or directory
 gmake[2]: *** [install-exec] Error 70
 gmake[2]: Leaving directory 
 `/usr/ports/print/teTeX-base/work/tetex-src-3.0/texk/kpathsea'
 gmake[1]: *** [install] Error 1
 gmake[1]: Leaving directory 
 `/usr/ports/print/teTeX-base/work/tetex-src-3.0/texk'
 gmake: *** [install] Error 1
 *** Error code 2
 
 Stop in /usr/ports/print/teTeX-base.
 #
 
 Please advise
 
 many thanks
 anton

teTeX is ancient and my advice would be to install TeXLive. It's not
in ports but instructions for installing it can be found on the
forums:

https://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=9681

I think TeXLive 2010 has been released and this has binaries for
FreeBSD. You can get this from http://www.tug.org/ and installation
should consist of just running the installer.


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Re: port print/teTeX-base failed to install

[jamie]

 teTeX is ancient and my advice would be to install TeXLive. It's not
 in ports but instructions for installing it can be found on the
 forums:
 
 I think TeXLive 2010 has been released and this has binaries for
 FreeBSD. You can get this from http://www.tug.org/ and installation
 should consist of just running the installer.

Tug.org have provided TeXlive binaries for freebsd and installing it is easy 
but, some other ports do still require TeTeX as a dependency and it's not 
unsual to have both distributions installed - i do. 

jamie
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Re: a perl question

[Chad Perrin]

On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 12:07:13AM +1100, Ian Smith wrote:
 
 Do you know of any 'less useless' or more economical way to do such as:
 
  % cat /boot/boot1 /boot/boot2 | diff - /boot/boot
  %

Actually, that looks like a useful use of cat, whose original purpose it
is to concatenate the contents of two files.  `cat /boot/boot1
/boot/boot2` concatenates the contents of two files, so that the
resulting single text stream can be treated as a file to be compared by
diff to `/boot/boot`.

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Re: Real ISO-8859-15 support or just an `alias' to 8859-1 ?

[David Demelier]

On 05/01/2011 18:39, Patrick Lamaiziere wrote:

Le Wed, 05 Jan 2011 17:20:02 +0100,
David Demelierdemelier.da...@gmail.com  a écrit :


by the way xev outputs this :


The keysym is good.

IMO the problem is in the display. How do you see this text in
iso-8859-15 (download and cat test.txt)?
http://user.lamaiziere.net/patrick/test.txt

You should see un œuf pour un €uro

I confirm that the DejaVu font displays well the euro and
the oe french ligature. Well, I don't know where is your problem. It has
always worked fine here, on the console and under X11.

If it can help, locale -a
~$ locale -a | grep fr_FR
fr_FR.ISO8859-1
fr_FR.ISO8859-15
fr_FR.UTF-8

Regards.


No it prints the square and the 1/2 :-(. On tty it works! So it's 
probably in X.


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Re: Bot?

[David Brodbeck]

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Kevin Wilcox kevin.wil...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 5 January 2011 10:47, Jerry Bell je...@nrdx.com wrote:

 There could be reasons you
 aren't seeing a spike, such as you're only looking at traffic processed by
 the MTA, or it simply doesn't show as a material increase on a graph of
 traffic on the network interface if the server is busy.

 Those are good points and to go a little further regarding looking at
 traffic...

 To really see what your machine is doing, consider taking a look at
 the network flows. pfflowd, netflowd, ipaudit and a host of others can
 get you flow data with mostly minimal overhead.

Also, keep in mind that depending on how badly the machine has been
compromised, you may not be able to trust the output of utilities
running on the machine itself.  You may have to resort to capturing
its network traffic on another machine for analysis.
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Re: a new hard-drive in a 2y/o laptop

[Chris Brennan]

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:44 AM, Ian Smith smi...@nimnet.asn.au wrote:


 Saw Chris' later message that -F isn't there for him, but here's what
 should be, on the data, the sure-fire way to clobber that last sector:

  dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ad4 oseek=1465149167

 which command SHOULD report just 512 bytes written (we're sure it can't
 write past the end of the disk with no count specified), after which:

  dd if=/dev/ad4 iseek=1465149167 | hd

 SHOULD show zeroes from  to 01ff (ie next block 0200)
 If not, there really must be some hardware issue with writing?

 Hopefully getting there!

 cheers, Ian


[..]
Fixit# sysctrl kern.geom.debugflags=16
kern.geom.debugflags: 0 - 16
Fixit# dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ad4 oseek=1465149167
dd: /dev/ad4: end of device
2+0 records in
1+0 records out
512 bytes transferred in 0.011 secs (51195 bytes/sec)
Fixit# dd if=/dev/ad4 iseek=1465149167 | hd
1+0 records in
1+0 records out
  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
||
512 bytes transferred om 0.009863 secs (51912 bytes/sec)
*
0200
Fixit#
[..]

restarting and back to sysinstall from BETA1 is nice dice ... same original
error ... can I just zero the whole drive?
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Re: Bot?

[Ryan Coleman]

I agree on this point.

That said, I once thought my employer's server was hacked and I ran local 
utilities and dug through months of logs only to discover that an install of 
either phpBB or phpMyAdmin had a slice of bad code that allowed someone to 
install software remotely and run its own p2p network off of it.

I wasted a few days trying to dig in the wrong place.


On Jan 5, 2011, at 12:25 PM, David Brodbeck wrote:

 On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Kevin Wilcox kevin.wil...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 5 January 2011 10:47, Jerry Bell je...@nrdx.com wrote:
 
 There could be reasons you
 aren't seeing a spike, such as you're only looking at traffic processed by
 the MTA, or it simply doesn't show as a material increase on a graph of
 traffic on the network interface if the server is busy.
 
 Those are good points and to go a little further regarding looking at
 traffic...
 
 To really see what your machine is doing, consider taking a look at
 the network flows. pfflowd, netflowd, ipaudit and a host of others can
 get you flow data with mostly minimal overhead.
 
 Also, keep in mind that depending on how badly the machine has been
 compromised, you may not be able to trust the output of utilities
 running on the machine itself.  You may have to resort to capturing
 its network traffic on another machine for analysis.
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Re: setting a random password with PAM API

[Christopher J. Ruwe]

On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 11:45:08 +0100
Dag-Erling Smørgrav d...@des.no wrote:

 Christopher J. Ruwe c...@cruwe.de writes:
  I am trying to implement the feature to set a random password like
  in BSD pw usermod -W in the Solaris passwd. Regrettably, I have
  not found or perhaps not understood the PAM API documentation on
  how to _inject a given string_ into the change-auth-token function
  pam_chauthtok(...), which always jumps in an interactive pw-changing
  loop.
 
 There is no reliable way to do that.  You don't even know that there
 is such a thing as a password.
 
 DES

Thank you very much for your answer, although I suspected so, I still
hoped for another content. 

Kind regards,
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Re: Bot?

[Kevin Wilcox]

On 5 January 2011 13:25, David Brodbeck g...@gull.us wrote:

 On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Kevin Wilcox kevin.wil...@gmail.com wrote:

 To really see what your machine is doing, consider taking a look at
 the network flows. pfflowd, netflowd, ipaudit and a host of others can
 get you flow data with mostly minimal overhead.

 Also, keep in mind that depending on how badly the machine has been
 compromised, you may not be able to trust the output of utilities
 running on the machine itself.  You may have to resort to capturing
 its network traffic on another machine for analysis.

That's an excellent point. A span port from the upstream switch/router
would be ideal unless you've verified, through mechanisms external to
the machine (known good test media), the tools on that machine are
trustworthy.

kmw
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Re: init: getty repeating too quickly on port /dev/ttyv8, sleeping 30 secs

[Matthew Seaman]

On 05/01/2011 12:12, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
 I'd still like to start xdm automatically on reboot.
 If I can't do it via /etc/ttys,
 what would be the alternative way?
 

Well, you'ld have to start it as a daemon using some sort of rc.d file.
 There doesn't seem to be one supplied with the x11/xdm port, so I guess
you'll have to write your own.  Shouldn't be too difficult -- just copy
and mutate some other relatively simple daemon's rc script.

I think you'll need to put in some work on the Xdm config files, as it
defaults to trying to manage a local display.  Remember too that running
X in plaintext over a network is roughly on a par, security wise, as
running such deprecated services as rsh or rlogin.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: Checking for ZFS upgrade 'Gotcha's

[Matthew Seaman]

On 05/01/2011 16:06, Gene wrote:
 I'm just upgraded from FBSD 8.0 (amd64) to 8.1, I currently run with the ZFS 
 file system containing root. I understand that in the past, after rebuilding 
 world and kernel and upgrading the pool to version 14,  there have been some 
 issues concerning bootcode not being able to read the upgraded pools. Does 
 anyone know if this is still an issue?
 

Yes.  ZFS is not actually prescient, so older boot blocks tend not to be
able to read more recent versions of ZFS.

However the cure is simple: reinstall the bootblocks using the upgraded
version of ZFS you just installed.  This is the final stage of, and
should be a routine action when upgrading a ZFS based system: after
installing the new kernel, then the new world and rebooting, check the
kernel boot messages to see if ZFS says that upgraded zpool or zfs
versions are available.  If so, run 'zpool upgrade -a' and/or 'zfs
upgrade -a', plus 'gpt bootcoode ...' to update the bootblocks on all
relevant drives.  Then reboot again to verify that it all works.

Cheer,

Matthew

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Re: mysql-5.5.8 Postfix/Dovecot

[Jerry]

On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 15:37:38 +0300
Odhiambo Washington odhia...@gmail.com articulated:

 On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net
 wrote:
 
  I have seen it posted here and on the Dovecot forum that upgrading
  to mysql-5.5.8 on FreeBSD breaks both Postfix and Dovecot.
  Apparently reverting to the mysql-client-5.5.7 corrects this
  problem.
 
  Can any one else confirm this or is this simply an isolated
  incident? If this is correct, is there a PR filed against it? I was
  not able to locate one. Specifically, I am interested in the
  interaction on an FreeBSD-8.2 / amd64 system.
 
 
 I haven't filed a case though. My system is 8.2-STABLE/i386.
 I was running 5.5.7 with Request Tracker
 (Devel)http://bestpractical.com/rtand all played nice until I
 upgraded to 5.5.8. As this is a test platform, I
 wanted to install the next devel version of RT when I encountered a
 problem with initializing the database:
 I get this error:
 
 cut
 DBD::mysql::st execute failed: You have an error in your SQL syntax;
 check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for
 the right syntax to use near 'ENGINE=InnoDB  CHARACTER SET utf8' at
 line 15
 at /usr/home/wash/Tools/RT/RT-4/rt-4.0.0rc1/sbin/../lib/RT/Handle.pm
 line 508. *** Error code 255 /cut
 
 My worry is so much about the character set error.
 
 I also found my dovecot broken:
 
 Jan 05 15:26:16 master: Error: service(auth): child 46112 returned
 error 1 Jan 05 15:26:16 master: Error: service(auth): command startup
 failed, throttling
 Jan 05 15:26:51 pop3-login: Error: Timeout waiting for handshake from
 auth server. my pid=46111, input bytes=0
 Jan 05 15:27:16 auth: Error: /libexec/ld-elf.so.1:
 /usr/local/lib/libmysqlclient.so.16: version libmysqlclient_16
 required by /usr/local/libexec/dovecot/auth not defined

I wonder if this is a Dovecot error or a problem with the MySQL
upgrade. Did you try asking Timo regarding the Dovecot problem? In any
case, it might be worth it to file a PR against both Dovecot and MySQL.
Nothing will probably get done until one is filed.

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Re: init: getty repeating too quickly on port /dev/ttyv8, sleeping 30 secs

[Anton Shterenlikht]

On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 06:54:58PM +, Matthew Seaman wrote:
 On 05/01/2011 12:12, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
  I'd still like to start xdm automatically on reboot.
  If I can't do it via /etc/ttys,
  what would be the alternative way?
  
 
 Well, you'ld have to start it as a daemon using some sort of rc.d file.
  There doesn't seem to be one supplied with the x11/xdm port, so I guess
 you'll have to write your own.  Shouldn't be too difficult -- just copy
 and mutate some other relatively simple daemon's rc script.

yes, I thought so.

 
 I think you'll need to put in some work on the Xdm config files, as it
 defaults to trying to manage a local display.  Remember too that running
 X in plaintext over a network is roughly on a par, security wise, as
 running such deprecated services as rsh or rlogin.

yes, I know. 

many thanks
anton


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Re: make buildkernel pre-build too long

[Alexander Best]

On Tue Sep 21 10, David DEMELIER wrote:
 2010/9/21 Alexander Best arun...@freebsd.org:
  On Fri Sep 17 10, David DEMELIER wrote:
  2010/9/17 Alexander Best arun...@freebsd.org:
   On Thu Sep 16 10, David DEMELIER wrote:
   Hi there,
  
   I can't understand why this part of make buildkernel is so long on my
   amd64 machine (8.1-R)
  
   make -V CFILES -V SYSTEM_CFILES -V GEN_CFILES |  MKDEP_CPP=cc -E
   CC=cc xargs mkdep -a -f .newdep -O2 -frename-registers -pipe
   -fno-strict-aliasing  -std=c99  -Wall -Wredundant-decls
   -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes  -Wmissing-prototypes
   -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual  -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign
   -fformat-extensions -nostdinc  -I. -I/usr/src/sys
   -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/ipfilter
   -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/pf -I/usr/src/sys/dev/ath
   -I/usr/src/sys/dev/ath/ath_hal -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/ngatm
   -I/usr/src/sys/dev/twa -I/usr/src/sys/gnu/fs/xfs/FreeBSD
   -I/usr/src/sys/gnu/fs/xfs/FreeBSD/support -I/usr/src/sys/gnu/fs/xfs
   -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/opensolaris/compat -I/usr/src/sys/dev/cxgb
   -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h
   -fno-common -finline-limit=8000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param
   large-function-growth=1000  -fno-omit-frame-pointer -mcmodel=kernel
   -mno-red-zone  -mfpmath=387 -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-sse3 -mno-mmx
   -mno-3dnow  -msoft-float -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables
   -ffreestanding -fstack-protector
  
   This command takes around 5-6 minutes before continuing, on my i386
   machine (which is really old) it only takes about 20 seconds. The
   kernel configs are almost the same for both machines.
  
   are there any differences in /etc/make.conf?
  
   cheers.
   alex
  
  
   Do you have any idea?
  
   Kind regards,
  
   --
   Demelier David
  
   --
   a13x
  
 
  No, except the KERNCONF entry it's exactly the same :
 
  hmmmstrange. could you post the ouput of `make -VCFLAGS -VCOPTFLAGS` on
  both your machines, please?
 
  cheers.
  alex
 
 
  # General settings.
  KERNCONF=Melon
  MASTER_SORT?= .fr .uk
 
  # Portconf.
  .if !empty(.CURDIR:M/usr/ports*)  exists(/usr/local/libexec/portconf)
  _PORTCONF!=/usr/local/libexec/portconf
  .for i in ${_PORTCONF:S/|/ /g}
  ${i:S/%/ /g}
  .endfor
  .endif
 
  # Perl.
  PERL_VERSION=5.10.1
 
  # No need modules.
  NO_MODULES=yes
 
  # Specify other directories.
  WRKDIRPREFIX=   /usr/obj
  DISTDIR=        /usr/distfiles
 
  --
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  --
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 -O2 -pipe
 
 I think the problem is the amd64 architecture. When I buildkernel
 using TARGET_ARCH=i386 it takes only one minute or even less, it's
 only native target (amd64) which is long.

i finally had the time to measue target buildkernel for amd64 and for i386:

make buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC TARGET=i386  248,84s user 47,29s system 101% 
cpu 4:52,15 total

vs.

make buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC TARGET=amd64  246,36s user 47,08s system 103% 
cpu 4:44,62 total

...so no difference in my case. this was tested on a very recent HEAD with 
arch=amd64.

cheers.
alex

 
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Re: Portupgrade status

[Jud]

On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 11:04:03 -0500, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com  
wrote:



On Tue, 4 Jan 2011, Matthew Seaman wrote:


On 04/01/2011 00:51, ill...@gmail.com wrote:

No, the -R flag in portmaster tells it to not rebuild
ports taht have already been built on this run (I
believe from reading man portmaster).  The -R
flag in portupgrade rebuilds the ports on which
the named port depends
-R
--upward-recursive Act on all those packages required by the given
packages as well. (When specified with -F,  
fetch
recursively, including the brand new,  
uninstalled

ports that an upgraded port requires)

I don't see any equivalent functionality for portmaster,
sadly.


This is actually portmaster's default behaviour.  So:

   portupgrade -R foo/bar is equivalent to portmaster foo/bar

   portupgrade -fRr foo/bar is equivalent to portmaster -fr foo/bar


I'm not seeing where portmaster has the portupgrade -R functionality  
(rebuild this port and those it depends on).


portmaster(8) says The focus of this tool is to keep the dependency  
tracking information for your ports up to date.  This allows you to  
safely update a specific port without having to update all of the ports  
above it.


That would make the default action equivalent to portupgrade's -r option  
(rebuild this port and all those that depend on it).


What have I missed?


I agree the quoted passage might admit of more than one interpretation,  
but here is what I think it's saying:


Portmaster will automagically update the dependencies for the port you  
select (= portupgrade -R).  Thus there is no need to update the ports that  
depend on the one you have selected (= portupgrade -r), since all  
downstream dependencies will be taken care of by default whenever you run  
portmaster against any of these upstream ports.


Jud

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Re: Real ISO-8859-15 support or just an `alias' to 8859-1 ?

[David Demelier]

On 05/01/2011 19:09, David Demelier wrote:

On 05/01/2011 18:39, Patrick Lamaiziere wrote:

Le Wed, 05 Jan 2011 17:20:02 +0100,
David Demelierdemelier.da...@gmail.com a écrit :


by the way xev outputs this :


The keysym is good.

IMO the problem is in the display. How do you see this text in
iso-8859-15 (download and cat test.txt)?
http://user.lamaiziere.net/patrick/test.txt

You should see un œuf pour un €uro

I confirm that the DejaVu font displays well the euro and
the oe french ligature. Well, I don't know where is your problem. It has
always worked fine here, on the console and under X11.

If it can help, locale -a
~$ locale -a | grep fr_FR
fr_FR.ISO8859-1
fr_FR.ISO8859-15
fr_FR.UTF-8

Regards.


No it prints the square and the 1/2 :-(. On tty it works! So it's
probably in X.



It works with xfce4 Terminal !

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Re: Any recommendations for FreeBSD VPS hosting?

[Bruce Cran]

On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 09:10:02 +
Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote:

 On 30/12/2010 01:21, n j wrote:
  Thanks for the input, I'll look into the suggested options:
  
  http://arpnetworks.com/vps
  http://www.rootbsd.net/virtual-hosting/
  http://www.johncompanies.com/jc_bsd.html
  
  If you know of any other FreeBSD VPS providers, please share.
 
 For people this side of the pond,

http://www.goscomb.net do FreeBSD VPS's too. They're a bit expensive but
you get a VM that's just 0.6ms from Linx in the UK, great tech
support and IPv6.

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Re: Bot? / pf question

[Mark Moellering]

On 05-Jan-11 1:44 PM, Kevin Wilcox wrote:

On 5 January 2011 13:25, David Brodbeckg...@gull.us  wrote:


On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Kevin Wilcoxkevin.wil...@gmail.com  wrote:

To really see what your machine is doing, consider taking a look at
the network flows. pfflowd, netflowd, ipaudit and a host of others can
get you flow data with mostly minimal overhead.

Also, keep in mind that depending on how badly the machine has been
compromised, you may not be able to trust the output of utilities
running on the machine itself.  You may have to resort to capturing
its network traffic on another machine for analysis.

That's an excellent point. A span port from the upstream switch/router
would be ideal unless you've verified, through mechanisms external to
the machine (known good test media), the tools on that machine are
trustworthy.

kmw
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Since I am going to be setting up a mail server sometime next week and 
have to keep things like this in mind;
would it make sense to run pf and block all outbound traffic that isn't 
on port 25 ( port 995 , etc)  and force any web administration programs 
onto a port other than 80 to help with this sort of thing?  Any other 
thoughts on how to make sure future installations can be kept secure?


As always, thanks in advance to everyone,

Mark Moellering
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Re: Bot? / pf question

[Ryan Coleman]

Yes and no. You want to leave ftp open, too, just in case for port 
upgrading/downloading, plus you would want to do monitoring across the wire 
(Nagios or something, maybe?). You could, though, do a dual-NIC setup and have 
one be a private network LAN for the servers if you aren't already considering 
it.



On Jan 5, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Mark Moellering wrote:

 Since I am going to be setting up a mail server sometime next week and have 
 to keep things like this in mind;
 would it make sense to run pf and block all outbound traffic that isn't on 
 port 25 ( port 995 , etc)  and force any web administration programs onto a 
 port other than 80 to help with this sort of thing?  Any other thoughts on 
 how to make sure future installations can be kept secure?
 
 As always, thanks in advance to everyone,
 
 Mark Moellering
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Re: mysql-5.5.8 Postfix/Dovecot

[Odhiambo Washington]

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote:

 On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 15:37:38 +0300
 Odhiambo Washington odhia...@gmail.com articulated:

  On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net
  wrote:
 
   I have seen it posted here and on the Dovecot forum that upgrading
   to mysql-5.5.8 on FreeBSD breaks both Postfix and Dovecot.
   Apparently reverting to the mysql-client-5.5.7 corrects this
   problem.
  
   Can any one else confirm this or is this simply an isolated
   incident? If this is correct, is there a PR filed against it? I was
   not able to locate one. Specifically, I am interested in the
   interaction on an FreeBSD-8.2 / amd64 system.
  
  
  I haven't filed a case though. My system is 8.2-STABLE/i386.
  I was running 5.5.7 with Request Tracker
  (Devel)http://bestpractical.com/rtand all played nice until I
  upgraded to 5.5.8. As this is a test platform, I
  wanted to install the next devel version of RT when I encountered a
  problem with initializing the database:
  I get this error:
 
  cut
  DBD::mysql::st execute failed: You have an error in your SQL syntax;
  check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for
  the right syntax to use near 'ENGINE=InnoDB  CHARACTER SET utf8' at
  line 15
  at /usr/home/wash/Tools/RT/RT-4/rt-4.0.0rc1/sbin/../lib/RT/Handle.pm
  line 508. *** Error code 255 /cut
 
  My worry is so much about the character set error.
 
  I also found my dovecot broken:
 
  Jan 05 15:26:16 master: Error: service(auth): child 46112 returned
  error 1 Jan 05 15:26:16 master: Error: service(auth): command startup
  failed, throttling
  Jan 05 15:26:51 pop3-login: Error: Timeout waiting for handshake from
  auth server. my pid=46111, input bytes=0
  Jan 05 15:27:16 auth: Error: /libexec/ld-elf.so.1:
  /usr/local/lib/libmysqlclient.so.16: version libmysqlclient_16
  required by /usr/local/libexec/dovecot/auth not defined

 I wonder if this is a Dovecot error or a problem with the MySQL
 upgrade. Did you try asking Timo regarding the Dovecot problem? In any
 case, it might be worth it to file a PR against both Dovecot and MySQL.
 Nothing will probably get done until one is filed.

 Such minor breakages (like Dovecot experienced) don't worry me much
sometimes. I simply recompile and life continues. When I upgrade a port I
always expect (as a matter of principle) that something might go wrong and I
go looking for it. However, the breakage with RT is one that has left me so
worried - that character set issue, since it manifests itself on the main
system, and only with 5.5.8 and not 5.5.7!


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Re: Bot? / pf question

[Adam Vande More]

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Mark Moellering m...@msen.com wrote:

 That's an excellent point. A span port from the upstream switch/router

 Since I am going to be setting up a mail server sometime next week and have
 to keep things like this in mind;
 would it make sense to run pf and block all outbound traffic that isn't on
 port 25 ( port 995 , etc)  and force any web administration programs onto a
 port other than 80 to help with this sort of thing?  Any other thoughts on
 how to make sure future installations can be kept secure?

 As always, thanks in advance to everyone,


That a great example of when jails should be used,  I put each service into
it's own jail eg MTA, FTP, www.  Actually I use something like pound then
put each different website in it's own jail.  Make sure each database backed
service has separate login/passwords.  Then if something like phplist, or an
MTA is compromised the host OS and utilities can still be trusted, in theory
at least.

Also a managed port can help you deal with issues by tracking stat
metrics/port mirroring/etc.

You can use something ezjail to make administration tasks easier, and if you
isolate the jail FS's(UFS/ZFS) make use of the snapshotting utilities.
There are a couple of utilities in ports to help automate snapshots too.



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freebsd and

[gahn]

hi all:

i set up the freeradius 21.100.1 on freebsd 8.1. it uses local authentication 
database of /etc/passwd (thanks to the previous discussions alan did with 
others). the problem is: it only works with the condition of the server id 
running as root instead of freeradius due to the one way MD5 hash of 
/etc/passwd file.

are there any other better ways to implement this?


  
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Re: freebsd and

[Bill Moran]

(don't see why this was on -current)

In response to gahn ipfr...@yahoo.com:
 hi all:
 
 i set up the freeradius 21.100.1 on freebsd 8.1. it uses local authentication 
 database of /etc/passwd (thanks to the previous discussions alan did with 
 others). the problem is: it only works with the condition of the server id 
 running as root instead of freeradius due to the one way MD5 hash of 
 /etc/passwd file.
 
 are there any other better ways to implement this?

a) Put the Radius server in a jail, so it can run as root without all the
   security concerns.
b) Use something other than /etc/passwd authentication

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Re: Any recommendations for FreeBSD VPS hosting?

[Anton Shterenlikht]

On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 07:46:53PM +, Bruce Cran wrote:
 On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 09:10:02 +
 Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote:
 
  On 30/12/2010 01:21, n j wrote:
   Thanks for the input, I'll look into the suggested options:
   
   http://arpnetworks.com/vps
   http://www.rootbsd.net/virtual-hosting/
   http://www.johncompanies.com/jc_bsd.html
   
   If you know of any other FreeBSD VPS providers, please share.
  
  For people this side of the pond,
 
 http://www.goscomb.net do FreeBSD VPS's too. They're a bit expensive but
 you get a VM that's just 0.6ms from Linx in the UK, great tech
 support and IPv6.

http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/isp.html

I just rented a jail from exonetric.net - seems ok.

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Re: Any recommendations for FreeBSD VPS hosting?

[Paul Macdonald]

http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/isp.html

I just rented a jail from exonetric.net - seems ok.




FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT is on aws now ( on EU instances too yay!)

still a bit slow as hell (if you're building stuff) on t1.micros tho..



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Re: Any recommendations for FreeBSD VPS hosting?

[Alejandro Imass]

Hi all,

FYI (and ours ;-) ) the company I work with is __planning__ on
expanding our server usage at M5 hosting (which BTW provide
outstanding support and have really great infrastructure).

Anyway, in our new servers we are going to be migrating existing
customers to Jails, and we will probably have some capacity left, so
we were thinking of providing FBSD Jail services as such, but didn't
know for a fact there was a demand for such a service. Apparently
there is!

Are there any particular requirements that people here should think we
would be offering? I mean are there any specific
configurations/options that people wish for? SLA requirements, etc.?
If we actually do expand our servers I will let you know, but in the
mean time it would be helpful to understand the potential client
wishes.

Thanks,
Alex


On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote:
 On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 09:10:02 +
 Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote:
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Re: Any recommendations for FreeBSD VPS hosting?

[Thomas Abthorpe]

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:02:58AM +0100, n j wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I'm looking for inexpensive but reliable FreeBSD VPS hosting. Any
 input coming from a positive personal experience will be most
 appreciated.
 
 So far the most likely candidate seems to be
 http://www.nqhost.com/unmetered-xen-vds.html. If anyone ever dealt
 with them, please share.
 
 TIA,
 -- 
 Nino

Not a VPS, but http://your.org has made a great commitment to supporting
FreeBSD, and providing VM instances.


Thomas

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Re: a perl question

[RW]

On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 08:05:14 -0800
Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote:

 Quoth Chad Perrin on Tuesday, 04 January 2011:

  The weirdest thing about most useless uses of cat is that not using
  cat would actually be a little clearer and involve fewer keystrokes
  -- as in this case.
  

 I blame OOP.  Programmer thinks about the data stream before they
 think about the process.  It's a nouns-first orientation.

You might easily get the same prejudice from data flow diagrams - or
plumbing. 

Personally I find that using cat makes things simpler and less error
prone when reusing  pipelines in shell history.

For example it's easier to edit 

 cat file | foo

into 
   
 cat file | bar | foo
or   cat file? | foo

than editing 

 foo  file

into

 bar  file | foo
or   cat file? | foo
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Re: a perl question

[Chad Perrin]

On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 10:15:38PM +, RW wrote:
 
 For example it's easier to edit 
 
  cat file | foo
 
 into 

  cat file | bar | foo
 or   cat file? | foo
 
 than editing 
 
  foo  file
 
 into
 
  bar  file | foo
 or   cat file? | foo

In this case, example was:

cat file | foo arg

. . . where it could have been:

foo arg file

That's just kind of absurd.  I mean, that sort of usage (foo arg file) is
exactly the purpose for which grep was designed.

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the GIMP and Samba

[Chad Perrin]

Can someone enlighten me as to why the GIMP package would require
libsmbclient?  This strikes me as the very height of software bloat
absurdity.  Maybe I'm missing something.

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Re: the GIMP and Samba

[Polytropon]

On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 15:19:39 -0700, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
 Can someone enlighten me as to why the GIMP package would require
 libsmbclient?  This strikes me as the very height of software bloat
 absurdity.  Maybe I'm missing something.

Welcome to the glory of rapid application development and
modern programming! :-)

According to your question: I am confident that the SMB
dependency is brought into Gimp by the gutenprint module
(can't even tell you exactly what it does, may have
something to do with CUPS I also don't have any use for).
CUPS seems to be hardcoded into Gimp even if you don't
use it (due to a normal printer).

The SMB dependency is also used by several Gnome-related
dependencies, such as Gnome-VFS, a part of nearly every
file open dialog in Gtk.

The /var/db/pkg/portname/+REQUIRED_BY file tells you
about the next higher stage of dependency (maybe another
library or a primary program - the thing you actually
want to use).

Note that observations like this are the reason you have
to constantly buy a new computer in order to keep doing
the same things at the same average speed. :-)


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RE: the GIMP and Samba

[Gary Gatten]

There's prolly a 10 line function the developer didn't want to write. I've seen 
some case where it takes more code to link to other packages than just write 
what's needed.  Drives me crazy to have to install apps that have nothing to 
do with the app I really need...

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Subject: the GIMP and Samba

Can someone enlighten me as to why the GIMP package would require
libsmbclient?  This strikes me as the very height of software bloat
absurdity.  Maybe I'm missing something.

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Re: the GIMP and Samba

[Warren Block]

On Wed, 5 Jan 2011, Chad Perrin wrote:


Can someone enlighten me as to why the GIMP package would require
libsmbclient?  This strikes me as the very height of software bloat
absurdity.  Maybe I'm missing something.


package = pre-built, off-the-rack, one-size-fits-all.

I don't know where the dependency comes in, but gimp withtout 
libsmbclient works here.

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Swap Space

[Jeff Whitman]

I will be installing 8.1 on a Dell Poweredge 2850, with dual 3 GHz XEON
processors and 6GB RAM.  

 

What is the recommended swap space?  

 

I'm finding conflicting data on this.  Some say 0, some say 1 times RAM,
others say stay with 2 x RAM.

 

Thank you

 

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Re: the GIMP and Samba

[Chip Camden]

Quoth Warren Block on Wednesday, 05 January 2011:
 On Wed, 5 Jan 2011, Chad Perrin wrote:
 
 Can someone enlighten me as to why the GIMP package would require
 libsmbclient?  This strikes me as the very height of software bloat
 absurdity.  Maybe I'm missing something.
 
 package = pre-built, off-the-rack, one-size-fits-all.
 
 I don't know where the dependency comes in, but gimp withtout 
 libsmbclient works here.
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Gutenprint support is an OPTION in gimp -- perhaps turning that off
relieves you of the dependency?

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Re: the GIMP and Samba

[Polytropon]

On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 15:03:02 -0800, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com 
wrote:
 Gutenprint support is an OPTION in gimp -- perhaps turning that off
 relieves you of the dependency?

Or maybe it's an option to gnomevfs... or something
related to Gtk 2 in general...


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Re: Swap Space

[Adam Vande More]

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Jeff Whitman jwhit...@jwnetsource.comwrote:

 I will be installing 8.1 on a Dell Poweredge 2850, with dual 3 GHz XEON
 processors and 6GB RAM.

 What is the recommended swap space?


 I'm finding conflicting data on this.  Some say 0, some say 1 times RAM,
 others say stay with 2 x RAM.


Definitely not 0, but 2x would probably be way too much IMO. 4 - 6 GB should
be enough for most use cases.


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RE: Swap Space

[Gary Gatten]

 I will be installing 8.1 on a Dell Poweredge 2850, with dual 3 GHz XEON
 processors and 6GB RAM.

 What is the recommended swap space?


 I'm finding conflicting data on this.  Some say 0, some say 1 times RAM,
 others say stay with 2 x RAM.


Definitely not 0, but 2x would probably be way too much IMO. 4 - 6 GB should
be enough for most use cases.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but if necessary one could add (and activate) a 
secondary / additional swap file if necessary without rebooting.  So maybe 
start with a few gig and add an additional swap file if necessary?





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Re: the GIMP and Samba

[Warren Block]

On Thu, 6 Jan 2011, Polytropon wrote:


On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 15:03:02 -0800, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com 
wrote:

Gutenprint support is an OPTION in gimp -- perhaps turning that off
relieves you of the dependency?


Or maybe it's an option to gnomevfs... or something
related to Gtk 2 in general...


It's not gutenprint (which I have installed), at least not directly. 
devel/gnome-vfs does have a Samba option, which is disabled here.

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Re: Swap Space

[Bruce Cran]

On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 17:20:48 -0600
Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com wrote:

 Correct me if I'm wrong, but if necessary one could add (and
 activate) a secondary / additional swap file if necessary without
 rebooting.  So maybe start with a few gig and add an additional swap
 file if necessary?

Swapping to a file is really slow and should only be done if absolutely
necessary since every read/write has to go through the filesystem code
which it doesn't do if done via a swap slice.

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RE: Swap Space

[Gary Gatten]

 Correct me if I'm wrong, but if necessary one could add (and
 activate) a secondary / additional swap file if necessary without
 rebooting.  So maybe start with a few gig and add an additional swap
 file if necessary?

Swapping to a file is really slow and should only be done if absolutely
necessary since every read/write has to go through the filesystem code
which it doesn't do if done via a swap slice.

Good point.  It's been several years and back on v5 or 6 when I did something 
like this.  If there's unpartitioned space on the drive, can one add a 
secondary swap partition real-time?  I forget what I did here - I'm sure I 
followed what's in the handbook re swap space.  Probably did a swap file...





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Re: Swap Space

[Adam Vande More]

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com wrote:


  Correct me if I'm wrong, but if necessary one could add (and
  activate) a secondary / additional swap file if necessary without
  rebooting.  So maybe start with a few gig and add an additional swap
  file if necessary?

 Swapping to a file is really slow and should only be done if absolutely
 necessary since every read/write has to go through the filesystem code
 which it doesn't do if done via a swap slice.

 Good point.  It's been several years and back on v5 or 6 when I did
 something like this.  If there's unpartitioned space on the drive, can one
 add a secondary swap partition real-time?  I forget what I did here - I'm
 sure I followed what's in the handbook re swap space.  Probably did a swap
 file...


 Yes you can do that with swapon(1)

It's been said though that FreeBSD memory paging algorithms take into
account the system's entire available VM for deciding on when to act in low
memory conditions and these parameters are tuned expect some of that to be
swap space.  That is why one reason there *should* be a least some swap
space even on a system w/ plenty of RAM.



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RE: Swap Space - hijack?

[Gary Gatten]

 Correct me if I'm wrong, but if necessary one could add (and
 activate) a secondary / additional swap file if necessary without
 rebooting.  So maybe start with a few gig and add an additional swap
 file if necessary?

Swapping to a file is really slow and should only be done if absolutely
necessary since every read/write has to go through the filesystem code
which it doesn't do if done via a swap slice.
Good point.  It's been several years and back on v5 or 6 when I did something 
like this.  If there's unpartitioned space on the drive, can one add a 
secondary swap partition real-time?  I forget what I did here - I'm sure I 
followed what's in the handbook re swap space.  Probably did a swap file...

 Yes you can do that with swapon(1)

It's been said though that FreeBSD memory paging algorithms take into account 
the system's entire available VM for deciding on when to act in low memory 
conditions and these parameters are tuned expect some of that to be swap space. 
 That is why one reason there *should* be a least some swap space even on a 
system w/ plenty of RAM.

Sorry for the probable hijack... Speaking of swapping algorithms, is there a 
way to force a parent and all child processes to NOT be swapped - period - and 
always remain 100% in real memory?  And if so, is it discouraged or 
completely up to the sysadmin?







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Re: Swap Space

[Robert Huff]

Adam Vande More writes:

   I will be installing 8.1 on a Dell Poweredge 2850, with dual 3 GHz XEON
   processors and 6GB RAM.
  
   What is the recommended swap space?

   I'm finding conflicting data on this.  Some say 0, some say 1 times RAM,
   others say stay with 2 x RAM.
  
  
  Definitely not 0, but 2x would probably be way too much IMO. 4 -
  6 GB should be enough for most use cases.

One data point:

last pid: 58457;  load averages:  1.91,  2.20,  2.27  up 8+19:16:27 18:51:23
166 processes: 5 running, 158 sleeping, 2 stopped, 1 zombie

Mem: 1541M Active, 1267M Inact, 1223M Wired, 195M Cache, 802M Buf, 3440M Free
Swap: 18G Total, 11M Used, 18G Free

(That's 8g total memory.)  It's a fairly lightly loaded
workstation.
A philosophical consideration: modern disks are cheap, and
fairly fast.  Repartitioning if you don't have enough is a pain.


Robert Huff

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Re: Swap Space

[Robison, Dave]

On 01/05/11 15:20, Gary Gatten wrote:

I will be installing 8.1 on a Dell Poweredge 2850, with dual 3 GHz XEON
processors and 6GB RAM.

What is the recommended swap space?


I'm finding conflicting data on this.  Some say 0, some say 1 times RAM,
others say stay with 2 x RAM.


Definitely not 0, but 2x would probably be way too much IMO. 4 - 6 GB should
be enough for most use cases.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but if necessary one could add (and activate) a 
secondary / additional swap file if necessary without rebooting.  So maybe 
start with a few gig and add an additional swap file if necessary?





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yep

man swapon

though this won't be as elegant as having it set up as normal swap


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Re: a perl question

[RW]

On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 15:13:02 -0700
Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:


 In this case, example was:
 
 cat file | foo arg
 
 . . . where it could have been:
 
 foo arg file
 
 That's just kind of absurd.  I mean, that sort of usage (foo arg
 file) is exactly the purpose for which grep was designed.
 
Obviously, I'm talking about the general case. If I'd meant grep I'd
have written grep and not foo.  
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Re: freebsd and

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On 06/01/2011, at 07:02, Bill Moran wrote:

 
 (don't see why this was on -current)
 
 In response to gahn ipfr...@yahoo.com:
 hi all:
 
 i set up the freeradius 21.100.1 on freebsd 8.1. it uses local 
 authentication database of /etc/passwd (thanks to the previous discussions 
 alan did with others). the problem is: it only works with the condition of 
 the server id running as root instead of freeradius due to the one way 
 MD5 hash of /etc/passwd file.
 
 are there any other better ways to implement this?
 
 a) Put the Radius server in a jail, so it can run as root without all the
   security concerns.
 b) Use something other than /etc/passwd authentication
 

Cant radius use pam? perhaps you should look into that. 

It may be a pain though, freeradius is largely undocumented, and what 
documentation exists is often incomplete, incorrect and full of people touting 
IT JUST WORKS when 99% of the time, It never works. Once you figure it out 
however, its great. I would highly recommend putting your raddb into a version 
control system. 

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blog-site questions....

[Gary Kline]

Guys,

If there are any people who are into maintaining web logs/blog, this
might be _the_ place to ask.  O/wise, type 'd' now.

One thing I've heard several times is that blogging is a good way of
promoting one's own books.  (I've got at least three books either
published or to-be-published. [[ ... .]])  Now, outside this list
nobody knows me--and that's fine, except that  with a just published
ebook, it's time to make my name and ebook public.  Before I rush
out and sign up with some blogging websites, would be be better to
use a FBSD port and do it myself?

Ill be open about this: I'm still not _entirely_ sure whata blog is.
But I'm a fast study :)
If there are better places to ask about web logs, URL's please... .

gary

PS: Any reason why nobody here has read my ebook?  It is for geeks
and about op en source stuff, so, like , v'mon, people 


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Re: blog-site questions....

[Chris Brennan]

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:


 Guys,

 If there are any people who are into maintaining web logs/blog, this
 might be _the_ place to ask.  O/wise, type 'd' now.

 One thing I've heard several times is that blogging is a good way of
 promoting one's own books.  (I've got at least three books either
 published or to-be-published. [[ ... .]])  Now, outside this list
 nobody knows me--and that's fine,


WAIT! Who's Gary Kline?


 except that  with a just published
 ebook, it's time to make my name and ebook public.  Before I rush
 out and sign up with some blogging websites, would be be better to
 use a FBSD port and do it myself?

 Ill be open about this: I'm still not _entirely_ sure whata blog is.
 But I'm a fast study :)
 If there are better places to ask about web logs, URL's please... .

 gary

 PS: Any reason why nobody here has read my ebook?  It is for geeks
 and about open source stuff, so, like , v'mon, people


a Blog is a website ... think wordpress, blogger.com or livejournal.com just
to name a few  personally, I'm an lj lifer, that's all I've ever used.
That being said ... if there is a port it would be something like workpress
(and/or joomla and the ilk). which will just do what you can do yourself by
grabbing the sources from their perspective websites and install yourself in
about 10 minutes. Very easy to do.

If you want to promote some of your written work ... get a domain and set
one of these up for yourself. My personal opinion says that if you've set up
a domain to promote a book yourself vs using something like
blogger.com/livejournal.com/wordpress.com (yes they will give you your very
own blog, free of charge under their domain). In my eyes, these look very
unprofessional. This is an argument I've had with my roommates side business
on more then one occasion ... usually after he wonders why his business
generates about 1 client/mo.

At the end of the day it's what you want to put out of pocket for the domain
and hosting.

C-
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