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Re: Expanding tabs (was Re: kwik way?)

2011-05-20 Thread perryh
Gary Kline  wrote:

> how to i get, say
> hello, \t how are \t you 
> to translate to
> hello, how are you
> [?]
> in other words, tab -> 1 space rather than the defaul of 4.

You only need something like "expand" or "tab.c" if you want
to convert each tab to a variable number of spaces depending on
column position.  If you just want each tab to become a single
space, which is what I think your "in other words" says:

$ tr '\011' ' ' < input > output

If you want each _sequence of one or more tabs and/or spaces_
to become a single space, which is what the example looks like:

$ sed 's/[ ^I][ ^I]*/ /g' < input > output

(^I represents an actual tab character; in bash I get that by
the two-keystroke sequence CtrlV CtrlI but other shells may vary.
Dunno offhand if sed would understand the \t or \011 notation.)
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Re: Expanding tabs (was Re: kwik way?)

2011-05-20 Thread Gary Kline
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 04:12:35PM +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 16:12:35 +0200
> From: "Julian H. Stacey" 
> Subject: Re: Expanding tabs (was Re: kwik way?) 
> To: Gary Kline 
> cc: Dan Nelson , FreeBSD Mailing List
>  
> X-URL: http://www.berklix.com
> 
> Hi,
> Reference:
> > From:   Gary Kline  
> > Date:   Wed, 18 May 2011 12:10:01 -0700 
> > Message-id: <20110518191001.ga22...@thought.org> 
> 
> Gary Kline wrote:
> > On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 01:09:36PM -0500, Dan Nelson wrote:
> > > Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 13:09:36 -0500
> > > From: Dan Nelson 
> > > Subject: Re: Expanding tabs (was Re: kwik way?)
> > > To: Gary Kline 
> > > Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List 
> > > 
> > > In the last episode (May 18), Gary Kline said:
> > > > should i use tr or sed to turn "\t" into " "?  --i.e., tabs into spaces.
> > > 
> > > tr or expand (depending on whether you want to honor the intent of the tab
> > > or not).  sed is overkill.
> > 
> > 
> > yeah, agree.  i grabbed an old `for k in *;do' script and used tr on 
> > 80+ files.  [facing reality, i'm throwing in the towel on hacking.
> > wanted something easy!]
> 
> http://berklix.com/~jhs/src/bsd/jhs/bin/public/tab/tab.c
>   & tab.1 & Makefile
>   works on the assumption of 8,16 etc, not other minorities eg ts=4
> 
>   Mature code 1988 till now. Hasn't burnt me yet.
> 
> Cheers,
> Julian
> -- 
> Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com
>  Mail plain text;  Not quoted-printable, Not HTML, Not base 64.
>  Reply below text sections not at top, to avoid breaking cumulative context.


Been messing with tab.c [on my desktop, ubuntu];  it compiles
with gcc tab.c, etc.   the man page displays cleanly.  thing is:
how to i get, say

hello, \t how are \t you 

to translate to

hello, how are you

[?]

in other words, tab -> 1 space rather than the defaul of 4.

tx,

gary



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xpdf does not accept input from keyboard

2011-05-20 Thread Dieter BSD
FreeBSD 8.2  amd64

xpdf version 3.02

whines:

Warning: translation table syntax error: Unknown keysym name:  osfActivate
Warning: ... found while parsing ':osfActivate:            
ManagerParentActivate()'
Warning: String to TranslationTable conversion encountered errors
Warning: translation table syntax error: Unknown keysym name:  osfBeginLine
Warning: ... found while parsing ':osfBeginLine:           
ManagerGadgetTraverseHome()'
Warning: String to TranslationTable conversion encountered errors
Warning: translation table syntax error: Unknown keysym name:  osfHelp
Warning: ... found while parsing ':osfHelp:                        
ManagerGadgetHelp()'
Warning: String to TranslationTable conversion encountered errors
Warning: Cannot allocate colormap entry for default background.
Warning: translation table syntax error: Unknown keysym name:  osfActivate
Warning: ... found while parsing ':osfActivate:    
PrimitiveParentActivate()'
Warning: String to TranslationTable conversion encountered errors
Warning: translation table syntax error: Unknown keysym name:  osfHelp
Warning: ... found while parsing ':osfHelp:                Help()'
...
Warning: translation table syntax error: Unknown keysym name:  osfCancel
Warning: ... found while parsing 'osfCancel:                       
MenuEscape()'
Warning: String to TranslationTable conversion encountered errors
Warning: translation table syntax error: Unknown keysym name:  osfActivate
Warning: ... found while parsing ':osfActivate:    
PrimitiveParentActivate()'
Warning: String to TranslationTable conversion encountered errors
Warning: translation table syntax error: Unknown keysym name:  osfSelect
Warning: ... found while parsing ':osfSelect:      ArmAndActivate()'
Warning: String to TranslationTable conversion encountered errors
Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-times-bold-i-normal--20-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1" 
to type FontStruct
Warning: Cannot convert string 
"-*-times-medium-r-normal--14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1" to type FontStruct
Warning: Color name "LightYellow" is not defined

And then seems to mostly work, except that it does not notice
any input from the keyboard.  Clicking on buttons with the mouse
works as expected, but attempting to paste text into the
find text box does not work.
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Re: A possibly odd upgrade question

2011-05-20 Thread Warren Block

On Fri, 20 May 2011, Polytropon wrote:


However, I think increasing the default size to 1GB for /
would be a nice addition for the next release


That was recently implemented, maybe even for 8.2.  It was in there the 
last time I ran sysinstall, anyway. 8-)

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Re: A possibly odd upgrade question

2011-05-20 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 20 May 2011 11:36:37 -0400, Chris Brennan  wrote:
> I will modify my kernel config to reflect that change and I was going to
> make a backup ... I'm using the same config from 7.x, only slightly modified
> to reflect this machine, that said, how do I clobber the current kernel and
> not back it up when I install the new one?

I think / should have enough space for installing a new
kernel without debugging symbols, I assume it will require
50 MB max, and if we assume that the current GENERIC
kernel will be kept as a backup, you should be fine.

Coming back to your initial partitioning data,

Filesystem SizeUsed   Avail Capacity  Mounted on
/dev/ad0s1a496M328M128M72%/

indicates that you have 128 MB free, so it should work.
In case "make installkernel" will fail due to capacity
reasons, you can easily switch back to the backup kernel,
and maybe you find some stuff you can safely delete from
the / partition (e. g. check /root).

Also, read /usr/src/Makefile's comment header about the
recommended procedure for updating the system.


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Re: Over-whelmed by ports and package tools

2011-05-20 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 20 May 2011 10:26:11 -0400, Xn Nooby  wrote:
> > Also try to go with portsnap for ports IMHO it's the path of least
> > resistance ;-)
> 
> I will try portsnap, and read about the pkgdb database.  If all these
> tools ultimately resolve to pkgdb, I will try to learn about that.

I think pkgdb (often used as "pkgdb -aF") belongs to
portinstall / portupgrade, and it keeps things in sync
when you use different installing methods side by side
(which is possible), e. g.

# pkg_add -r bla
# portinstall foo/urgz
# cd /usr/ports/baz/bar
# make install

In this case, running "pkgdb -aF" before and after each
installation (or upgrading or removing) step makes sure
nothing gets "installed twice".

If you use portmaster for maintaining your ports, you
should be safe.

Using portsnap to obtain a current ports tree is a common
way. If you need it "more current", use csup. Here is an
explaination text I did already post to the list:

Step 1: Add this to /etc/make.conf:

SUP_UPDATE= yes
SUP=/usr/bin/csup
SUPFLAGS=   -g -L 2
SUPHOST=cvsup.freebsd.org
PORTSSUPFILE=   /etc/sup/ports.sup

Step 2: Create /etc/sup/ports.sup:

*default host=cvsup.freebsd.org
*default base=/var/db
*default prefix=/usr
*default release=cvs tag=.
*default delete use-rel-suffix
*default compress
ports-all

Note: You can use a different cvsup host and can also exclude
port categories from being updated (e. g. for languages you
do not use, or kinds of programs you are not interested in).
See /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile for more details,
it's very well documented (here: in comments).

Step 3: Perform the update

# cd /usr/ports
# make update

Now you have a _current_ ports tree.

Note: A similar method works for the system sources. Add

SUPFILE=/etc/sup/stable.sup

to /etc/make.conf and create /etc/sup/stable.sup like this:

*default host=cvsup.freebsd.org
*default base=/var/db
*default prefix=/usr
*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_8
*default delete use-rel-suffix
*default compress
src-all

This will give you 8-STABLE. Use "tag=RELENG_8.0" for 8.0-pX
(security branch, just as freebsd-update would do), and if you
need RELEASE, use "tag=RELENG_8.0.0".

Then,

# cd /usr/src
# make update
# make buildworld buildkernel

See /usr/src/Makefile (comment section) for which make targets
are defined and in which order you must proceed for a system
upgrade based on sources.

More info here:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/cvs-tags.html



> I have tried PC-BSD, and look forward to version 9.0.  I really don't
> like KDE, though. 

I've _tried_ to like it, but that wasn't a big success. :-)



> I hear some rumblings about a Gnome developer
> wanting to drop BSD support, so maybe I better start liking KDE.

It is currently discussed to turn Gnome into a kind of
Linux distribution, if I understood this correctly. Of
course it implies that Gnome _itself_ will drop support
for Solaris and the BSDs, and maybe all other operating
systems that do not run the Linux kernel (e. g. Debian
running a FreeBSD or HURD kernel, maybe even mobile
devices?).

But on the other hand, this is free software, so anyone
who wants to port Gnome to non-Linux is free to do so.



> PC-BSD seems to have done a great job reproducing the way Mac's
> install software, by using self-contained bundles (PBI's).

In my opinion, this is not optimal. Software should be
managed by the system, not by downloading things using
a web browser... but at least there are command line tools
to deal with PBI, so all the annoying interaction during
an installation process can be omitted. But on the other
hand, this is what people seem to be used to, so why not
distribute software this strange way? :-)



> And next
> version of PBI is supposed to not need a GUI.

I thought it would already be existing???



> I'm sure I will be
> trying the next version PC-BSD. Hopefully to be released soon.

If you want a preconfigured system and don't mind the
sloppy support for the german language, PC-BSD is a very
good piece of software. Still I have to express Mr. Horse's
primary opinion about it. :-)



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Re: A possibly odd upgrade question

2011-05-20 Thread Chris Brennan
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Polytropon  wrote:

On Fri, 20 May 2011 10:26:01 -0400, Chris Brennan 
> wrote:
> > OK, I am off now to research how to build the kernel w/o debugging
> symbols
> > ... then I shall embark on this.
>
> It should be "makeoptions DEBUG=-g" _NOT_ being present
> in the config file. Another idea would be to omit the
> backup of the old kernel.


I will modify my kernel config to reflect that change and I was going to
make a backup ... I'm using the same config from 7.x, only slightly modified
to reflect this machine, that said, how do I clobber the current kernel and
not back it up when I install the new one?

-- 
> A: Yes.
> >Q: Are you sure?
> >>A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.

> >>>Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
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Re: FreeBSD compatible mini-itx board

2011-05-20 Thread TJ Varghese
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Erik Nørgaard wrote:

> Hi:
>
> I am looking for a new low power mini-itx board for my firewall/home
> server. I've had VIA boards but flacky disk controller and other problems
> have made me look for something else.
>
> So, going all Intel, I hope there will be no hardware problems. I'm looking
> at The Intel D945GSEJT with an Atom N270 processor and the following specs:
>
> Mobile Intel 945GSE Express Chipset
> Intel 82945GSE Express Chipset Graphics/Memory Controller Hub
> Intel 82801GBM I/O Controller Hub (ICH7-M)
> Intel GMA950
> RealTek 8111DL Gigabit Ethernet Controller
>
> Does FBSD support this?
>
> I don't care about graphics basic VGA is enough as this will be a headless
> server. But I do care that the disk controller is fully supported as well as
> the NIC.
>
> Any suggestions of alternative boards? AFAIK the N270 is single core 32bit,
> a dual core and/or 64bit alternative would be interesting.
>
> Also: The Intel manual mentions: "Support for DDR2 533 MHz SO-DIMMs (DDR2
> 800 MHz and DDR2 667 MHz validated to run at 533 MHz only)"
>
> Will faster RAM result in a less stable system?
>
> And what is Serial Presence Detect RAM? I've never seen this advertised.
>
> Lots of questions, I know...
>
> Thanks, Erik
> ___
>
>
I'd recommend the below instead, DDR2 is deprecated.

http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherboards/db-D525MW/D525MW-overview.htm

I've had good results with these. These can do 8GB on amd64 (though the
aforementioned page only states 4GB) with 2x4GB DDR3 1066 SODIMMs. AHCI &
GbE work fine. The D525MW is dualcore+HT, there's also the 425KT single
core+HT variant. The latter doesn't have GbE...not worth it IMHO.
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Re: A possibly odd upgrade question

2011-05-20 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 20 May 2011 10:26:01 -0400, Chris Brennan  wrote:
> OK, I am off now to research how to build the kernel w/o debugging symbols
> ... then I shall embark on this.

It should be "makeoptions DEBUG=-g" _NOT_ being present
in the config file. Another idea would be to omit the
backup of the old kernel.



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[OT] Re: Hardware Recovery Company

2011-05-20 Thread Alejandro Imass
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Alejandro Imass  wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I recently sent a hard drive to be recovered and I think they just
> ripped me off. I have the back-up drive and believe it or not it has
> the same exact symptoms and won't mount. So I want to send both drives
> to a REAL AND TRUSTED LAB for 2 things:


Sorry people, forgot the OT

Thanks!
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Hardware Recovery Company

2011-05-20 Thread Alejandro Imass
Hi folks,

I recently sent a hard drive to be recovered and I think they just
ripped me off. I have the back-up drive and believe it or not it has
the same exact symptoms and won't mount. So I want to send both drives
to a REAL AND TRUSTED LAB for 2 things:

1) Forensics on the supposed head-replecement mumbo-jumbo/scam crap of
the other lab
2) Recovery of the data of the back-up drive

I guess this only happens once in a lifetime when both drives die, but
I can't risk the second drive to a non-certified lab.

I really trust the people on this list so hopefully you can point me
to a real and non-bullshit lab that can really recover data.

It would be nice to know if the lab can actually do #1 and certify my
concerns and willing to testify in court because I want to press legal
charges against the other lab if they in fact ripped me off and
jeopardized my data. But if they can't I still need to recover the
data! HELP!

Thanks beforehand !

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Re: Over-whelmed by ports and package tools

2011-05-20 Thread Chris Brennan
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Xn Nooby  wrote:

> I have tried PC-BSD, and look forward to version 9.0.  I really don't
> like KDE, though.  I hear some rumblings about a Gnome developer
> wanting to drop BSD support, so maybe I better start liking KDE.
> PC-BSD seems to have done a great job reproducing the way Mac's
> install software, by using self-contained bundles (PBI's). And next
> version of PBI is supposed to not need a GUI. I'm sure I will be
> trying the next version PC-BSD. Hopefully to be released soon.
>

That Red-Hat developer has been preaching to the choir for a long time from
my understanding. I think he wants to turn Gnome Desktop Environment into a
Desktop of it's own, making the Linux underbelly disappear much like
Microsoft made DOS disappear from their lineup, making Windows the primary
focus. if Gnome goes the way of Windows  there is a plethora of other
choices to choose for a WM ... openbox/blackbox/fluxbox, XFCE, yes KDE is an
option, it takes some getting used to but it can still be used.

As a side note, I wonder what kind of impact that kind of decision making
will have on the Android platform ... my phone says it's running X/Gnome for
the UI.

-- 
> A: Yes.
> >Q: Are you sure?
> >>A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.

> >>>Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
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Re: Over-whelmed by ports and package tools

2011-05-20 Thread Chris Brennan
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Xn Nooby  wrote:

I think the extract is only done during the install, and then after
> that it would be "portsnap fetch update" ?  Or is it better to do an
> extract each time?
>

I've always been told to do portsnap fetch extract, but I went a step
farther with my alises, I have a pfu as well, that does portsnap fetch
update

-- 
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> >Q: Are you sure?
> >>A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
> >>>Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
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Re: Over-whelmed by ports and package tools

2011-05-20 Thread Alejandro Imass
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Xn Nooby  wrote:
>> Also try to go with portsnap for ports IMHO it's the path of least
>> resistance ;-)
>
> I will try portsnap, and read about the pkgdb database.  If all these
> tools ultimately resolve to pkgdb, I will try to learn about that.
>
> I have tried PC-BSD, and look forward to version 9.0.  I really don't
> like KDE, though.  I hear some rumblings about a Gnome developer

Jajajaja. THAT IS EXACTLY why I don't use PC-BSD !

> wanting to drop BSD support, so maybe I better start liking KDE.
> PC-BSD seems to have done a great job reproducing the way Mac's
> install software, by using self-contained bundles (PBI's). And next
> version of PBI is supposed to not need a GUI. I'm sure I will be
> trying the next version PC-BSD. Hopefully to be released soon.
>
> thanks!
>
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Re: A possibly odd upgrade question

2011-05-20 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 20 May 2011 12:09:43 +0200, Bas Smeelen  wrote:
> It can fit, however don't build the kernel with debug symbols and move or
> remove the current debug symbol files of your kernel.
> 
> See below, our development box. It has GENERIC with debug symbol files, a
> kernel.old and a kernel without debug symbols on /boot which is on the /
> partition
> 
> FreeBSD dev.ose.nl 7.4-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.4-RELEASE #0: Fri Mar 18 23:05:18
> CET 2011 free...@dev.ose.nl:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/DEV  amd64
> dev:/home/Freebee #df -h
> Filesystem SizeUsed   Avail Capacity  Mounted on
> /dev/da0s1a496M295M162M65%/

Similar here, 7-STABLE (home desktop), system still contains
default kernel and a backup, but without debugging info.

% df -h /
Filesystem SizeUsed   Avail Capacity  Mounted on
/dev/ad0s1a496M336M120M74%/

% du -hs /boot/kernel*
 30M/boot/kernel
112M/boot/kernel.GENERIC-7.0-RELEASE
 29M/boot/kernel.RVS
 29M/boot/kernel.old

However, I think increasing the default size to 1GB for /
would be a nice addition for the next release (at least
for 9.0), or default sizes could be percentages of the
available slice or disk space.


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Re: A possibly odd upgrade question

2011-05-20 Thread Chris Brennan
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Polytropon  wrote:

On Thu, 19 May 2011 21:58:13 -0400, Chris Brennan 
> wrote:
> > One last question ... hopefully lol. am I going to run into any issues w/
> > the default fbsd6 layout?
> >
> > [root@Ziggy [~]# df -h
> > Filesystem SizeUsed   Avail Capacity  Mounted on
> > /dev/ad0s1a496M328M128M72%/
>
> Maybe not so good (as a default) as soon as you're going
> to compile kernels for 8.x, where a / size of 1G would
> be better (although you can even get a FreeBSD / partition
> fully functional in < 500 MB).
>
> The rest of the df output looks normal.
>
>
>
> > What I think I failed to previously mention is that this machine started
> out
> > with fbsd6.x, was upgraded many times from 6x though 7.1 where it fell
> into
> > disuse. With my recent repurpose of this box ... I'm concerned that it
> might
> > be a moot point if base won't fit on rot root slice.
>
> In this case, you should switch off all debugging for the
> kernel, and maybe even omit the backup kernel.OLD mechanism.
> But attention! This can be dangerous! Still you have the
> option to boot from a live system (Fixit should be enough)
> to manually make a backup copy of the running kernel, and
> in case anything fails at boot stage, use the live sytem
> to re-"install" the old kernel. But in fact, this should
> not be required.



OK, I am off now to research how to build the kernel w/o debugging symbols
... then I shall embark on this.

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Re: Over-whelmed by ports and package tools

2011-05-20 Thread Xn Nooby
> Also try to go with portsnap for ports IMHO it's the path of least
> resistance ;-)

I will try portsnap, and read about the pkgdb database.  If all these
tools ultimately resolve to pkgdb, I will try to learn about that.

I have tried PC-BSD, and look forward to version 9.0.  I really don't
like KDE, though.  I hear some rumblings about a Gnome developer
wanting to drop BSD support, so maybe I better start liking KDE.
PC-BSD seems to have done a great job reproducing the way Mac's
install software, by using self-contained bundles (PBI's). And next
version of PBI is supposed to not need a GUI. I'm sure I will be
trying the next version PC-BSD. Hopefully to be released soon.

thanks!
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Re: A possibly odd upgrade question

2011-05-20 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 19 May 2011 21:58:13 -0400, Chris Brennan  wrote:
> One last question ... hopefully lol. am I going to run into any issues w/
> the default fbsd6 layout?
> 
> [root@Ziggy [~]# df -h
> Filesystem SizeUsed   Avail Capacity  Mounted on
> /dev/ad0s1a496M328M128M72%/

Maybe not so good (as a default) as soon as you're going
to compile kernels for 8.x, where a / size of 1G would
be better (although you can even get a FreeBSD / partition
fully functional in < 500 MB).

The rest of the df output looks normal.



> What I think I failed to previously mention is that this machine started out
> with fbsd6.x, was upgraded many times from 6x though 7.1 where it fell into
> disuse. With my recent repurpose of this box ... I'm concerned that it might
> be a moot point if base won't fit on rot root slice.

In this case, you should switch off all debugging for the
kernel, and maybe even omit the backup kernel.OLD mechanism.
But attention! This can be dangerous! Still you have the
option to boot from a live system (Fixit should be enough)
to manually make a backup copy of the running kernel, and
in case anything fails at boot stage, use the live sytem
to re-"install" the old kernel. But in fact, this should
not be required.



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Re: Expanding tabs (was Re: kwik way?)

2011-05-20 Thread Julian H. Stacey
Hi,
Reference:
> From: Gary Kline  
> Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 12:10:01 -0700 
> Message-id:   <20110518191001.ga22...@thought.org> 

Gary Kline wrote:
> On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 01:09:36PM -0500, Dan Nelson wrote:
> > Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 13:09:36 -0500
> > From: Dan Nelson 
> > Subject: Re: Expanding tabs (was Re: kwik way?)
> > To: Gary Kline 
> > Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List 
> > 
> > In the last episode (May 18), Gary Kline said:
> > > should i use tr or sed to turn "\t" into " "?  --i.e., tabs into spaces.
> > 
> > tr or expand (depending on whether you want to honor the intent of the tab
> > or not).  sed is overkill.
> 
> 
>   yeah, agree.  i grabbed an old `for k in *;do' script and used tr on 
>   80+ files.  [facing reality, i'm throwing in the towel on hacking.
>   wanted something easy!]

http://berklix.com/~jhs/src/bsd/jhs/bin/public/tab/tab.c
& tab.1 & Makefile
works on the assumption of 8,16 etc, not other minorities eg ts=4

Mature code 1988 till now. Hasn't burnt me yet.

Cheers,
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Re: FreeBSD compatible mini-itx board

2011-05-20 Thread Dave
On 19 May 2011 at 11:59, Chuck Swiger wrote:

> On May 19, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Erik N=F8rgaard wrote:
> >> It indicates that they put faster RAM into the box, but ran it at a
> >> speed of 533MHz, which is slower than the memory is capable of
> >> running.  In some cases, doing this lets you run the RAM at lower
> >> voltage or with tighter timing settings of CL/tRCD/tTP/etc.
> > 
> > Thanks, currently I have, well ancient RAM on an old VIA board and
> > it's not really any reliable. That with the flacky disk controller on
> > the VIA board is my reason to go Intel.
> 
> Yeah, I have one of the VIA EPIA M6000 boards, and the IDE controller
> gets flaky under load if there is more than one device attached.
> Disabling the secondary channel on IRQ 15 helped some
> 
> Regards,
> -- 
> -Chuck
> 

With VIA mobo's any older than about 3 years, check the condition of all
the 1000uF/6.3V electrolytic caps scattered about the place.  Any 
bulging, or showning brown crusty stuff (leakage) replace them.

Bad power rail decpoupling can cripple a system but present itself as one
particular subsystem acting up under specific conditions.

They don't fix themselves, they only get worse.

Regards.

DaveB.

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Re: A possibly odd upgrade question

2011-05-20 Thread Bas Smeelen
On 05/20/2011 03:58 AM, Chris Brennan wrote:
> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Polytropon  wrote:
>
> Yes, the recommended order. :-)
> One last question ... hopefully lol. am I going to run into any issues w/
> the default fbsd6 layout?
>
> [root@Ziggy [~]# df -h
> Filesystem SizeUsed   Avail Capacity  Mounted on
> /dev/ad0s1a496M328M128M72%/
> devfs  1.0K1.0K  0B   100%/dev
> /dev/ad0s1e496M234K456M 0%/tmp
> /dev/ad0s1f 33G5.7G 25G19%/usr
> /dev/ad0s1d1.3G1.0G226M82%/var
> /dev/ad1s1d 54G8.9G 41G18%/usr/home
> /dev/ad6s1  74G 61G 13G82%/mnt/music
> linprocfs  4.0K4.0K  0B   100%/usr/compat/linux/proc
> [root@Ziggy [~]#
>
> What I think I failed to previously mention is that this machine started out
> with fbsd6.x, was upgraded many times from 6x though 7.1 where it fell into
> disuse. With my recent repurpose of this box ... I'm concerned that it might
> be a moot point if base won't fit on rot root slice.
>
It can fit, however don't build the kernel with debug symbols and move or
remove the current debug symbol files of your kernel.

See below, our development box. It has GENERIC with debug symbol files, a
kernel.old and a kernel without debug symbols on /boot which is on the /
partition

FreeBSD dev.ose.nl 7.4-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.4-RELEASE #0: Fri Mar 18 23:05:18
CET 2011 free...@dev.ose.nl:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/DEV  amd64
dev:/home/Freebee #df -h
Filesystem SizeUsed   Avail Capacity  Mounted on
/dev/da0s1a496M295M162M65%/
devfs   1.0K1.0K  0B  100%/dev
/dev/da0s1e7.7G642K7.1G 0%/tmp
/dev/da0s1f135G 46G 78G37%/usr
/dev/da0s1d7.7G1.1G6.0G16%/var



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Tell a minimum requirement for RAM for virtual machines (virtualbox)

2011-05-20 Thread Vladislav V. Prodan
Tell choice OS (8.2, 8.2-CURRENT or 9.0-CURRENT, FS (UFS or ZFS) and the 
minimum amount of RAM for use in such schemes:
1) the interaction of multiple routers with established quagga (bgpv4, 
bgpv6, ospf)

2) the work of two different modes of MYSQL replication servers/clusters.
3) backup zfs partitions/snapshots to a remote server


Host machine - win7 64x with 6 GB of RAM

Thank you for your advice.

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Re: UDF and DVD's

2011-05-20 Thread grarpamp
> Obviously, the base system UDF support is minimal and needs some work.
>  But you may find that ports like sysutils/cdrtools[-devel] or
> sysutils/udfclient will allow you to do much of what you want to do.

Hmm. perhaps I may be able to create and burn [both modes occurring
in userland] with cdrtools. But certainly not to read or write in kernel mode
yet AFAICT. I'll investigate udfclient, that is new to me as a userland tool.
I was hoping for kernel level compatibility. As are, I suspect, we all :)
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Re: UDF and DVD's

2011-05-20 Thread grarpamp
> Thoughts: please provide commands, full output, etc. that show how
> you're trying to mount the disc, as well as relevant /dev entries
> pertaining to your DVD drive.  dmesg might also be helpful.  And I
> assume you have looked at mount_udf(8)?

Apologies, it is late. However I used only the obvious.
Hopefully obviously, my DVD drive is irrelevant in this case...

mdconfig -f  -o readonly
mount_cd9660 -v -o ro  /mnt
ls -alR /mnt
[*not* 2.5GiB of files, but...]
cat /mnt/readme.txt
This disc contains a "UDF" file system and requires an operating system
that supports the ISO-13346 "UDF" file system specification.
umount -v /mnt
mount_udf -v -o ro  /mnt
mount_udf: /dev/md[n]: Invalid argument
 [md dev is not mounted on /mnt]

I think it's related to the UDF version of the image. As
anyone can verify using my said images found on the
internet, Perhaps it begs for a NetBSD port?

I tested with: RELENG_8 i386.

BTW, mdconfig is also broken in that it should take arguments
regardless of position, but it does not. IE: try transposing
-d and -u, or -o. = failure to execute.
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