Re: Version Selection

[Matthew Seaman]

On 11/06/2012 07:20, Doug Hardie wrote:
> I have a number of servers that I am about to upgrade to FreeBSD 9.0.
> The processors all have the ability to run i386 or amd64.  The
> machines all have 2 GB memory which is more than adequate for their
> intended use.  Some of these are replacing very old equipment that is
> being retired and did not have the ability to run amd64 so everything
> has been i386 till now.  The question is what are the advantages or
> disadvantages of switching to amd64?  I have tested all the various
> applications on amd64 and they work fine.  Is there going to be any
> benefit down the road in a few years to being on amd64?  If so, now
> would be the time to switch.

In my experience I find that amd64 is the way to go.  As in: the only
reason to use i386 is if there is some software that requires i386 and
that you can't either replace with an amd64 compatible alternative, run
in 32bit mode using lib32 shlibs etc. or just do without entirely.

The principle reasoning behind this is that amd64 is essentially a
super-set of i386: just about anything you can do on i386, you can do on
amd64, but not necessarily vice-versa.  There are some differences in
performance and memory usage, but these are usually minor and in
practice mostly in favour of amd64.  Although you're only using 2GB RAM
now, amd64 does give you the possibility of expanding that to >4GB
should that become a requirement in future.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: possbility of a port for older versions of libintl?

[Polytropon]

On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 02:11:43 -0400 (EDT), Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote:
> As a workaround, it might be useful to have a port which compiles an older 
> version of libintl (potential security issues notwithstanding, since it's 
> assumed it will only be used by this one tool).

Maybe using the port compatx--. (which has
the required lib version you need) in combination with the
ld.so library mapping (see "man libmap.conf") will work?



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Re: Making a bootable backup (hard)disk... how?

[Matthew Seaman]

On 10/06/2012 23:14, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
> Well, nevermind about that.  I get the general idea, i.e. that dumping
> at level N causes dumping of everything that has changed since the last
> dump at level N-1.

Not quite.  A dump at level N includes everything that changed since the
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Re: ports: make config-recursive doesn't really

[Thomas Mueller]

from Gary Aitken :

I'm trying to build a script to rebuild and reinstall everything I have 
installed from ports.  I don't want to have to keep checking on it and filling 
out the
+appropriate check boxes for options.  I naively assumed:

  for port in $ports
  do
cd /usr/port/$port
make config-recursive
cd ../..
  done

would allow me to set up all the dependencies before continuing with the 
install.

It appears, however, that it doesn't really recurse properly.  I say "appears" 
only because this is my first time trying this and despite doing the above
+setting of options, I am confronted with additional options screens as the 
build progresses.

Is there a way to get around this?

This has happened to me too, all too many times.

One way to avoid this problem is to run 

make config-recursive

repeatedly until you get no more dialog screens.

Or you can try portmaster as Subhro Sankha Kar suggests; I am only getting 
started with portmaster, successfully portmastered cdrtools.

I have a lot of ports now to upgrade (master?)  I like to keep a log such as by 
(command) | & tee /path/to/log-file, or anything else that works equally well.

Tom
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Re: Making a bootable backup (hard)disk... how?

[Mike Clarke]

On Monday 11 June 2012 00:03:59 Daniel Feenberg wrote:

> It does occur to me that /etc is not a felicitous place to keep this
> information, but given the desirability of dumping filesystems in read
> only state, placing the dump dates in the filesystem itself isn't
> feasible.

Dumping with the -L option creates a temporary read only snapshot which is 
used as the source for the backup. This enables you to safely backup a live 
filesystem,

More background on snapshots at 


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Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

[Ian Smith]

In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 418, Issue 19, Message: 23
On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 16:56:49 -0400 Jerry  wrote:
 > On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 22:06:26 +0200
 > Julian H. Stacey articulated:
[..]
 > >As a start here's :  http://berklix.org/uefi/
 > >
 > >URLs welcome. Contact names welcome. Volunteers welcome.
 > 
 > It is posts like this that basically turn my stomach. A product, any
 > product, should succeed or fail based on its own merits and not because
 > some government agency aided or thwarted it. Most, it not nearly all PC
 > manufacturers exist solely because of Microsoft. The PC market balloons
 > every time Microsoft releases a new version of Windows. Seriously now,
 > how many PC were sold because FreeBSD released version 9 of its OS? If
 > you want to beat someone, you make a better product. You don't go
 > running to your mamma asking for protection. That stinks of
 > socialism/fascism. The UEFI specification has existed for years.
 > Supposedly, Linux has been capable of using it for 8+ years. I have
 > no idea if FreeBSD is even capable of handling it. It wouldn't
 > surprise me it if couldn't though. What this really tells me is that
 > there has been way to much procrastination by the FOSS. Microsoft
 > simply took advantage of an existing standard (remember "standards"
 > something the FOSS is always crying about) and now FOSS is begging for
 > mercy. This is more than just slightly funny, it is pathetic. If 1% of
 > the effort of spreading this BS over UEFI had gone into working on a
 > solution for UEFI two years ago, we wouldn't be having this discussion
 > at all.

I'vw been wondering when this topic would summon our longest-serving 
resident troll for Microsoft out of the woodwork for a proper full-tilt 
rant, replete with inimitable "socialism/fascism" jibe.  Gotta love it!

Ian
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can't kill -9 Xorg

[Anton Shterenlikht]

My X is unusable since the recent png update.

This is r236740M on HP Compaq 6715s amd64 laptop.

I've no hal installed (if this matters).

# pkg info -x xorg
linux-f10-xorg-libs-7.4_1  Xorg libraries (Linux Fedora 10)
xorg-cf-files-1.0.4X.org cf files for use with imake builds
xorg-fonts-7.5.1   X.org fonts meta-port
xorg-fonts-100dpi-7.5.1X.Org 100dpi bitmap fonts
xorg-fonts-75dpi-7.5.1 X.Org 75dpi bitmap fonts
xorg-fonts-cyrillic-7.5.1  X.Org Cyrillic bitmap fonts
xorg-fonts-miscbitmaps-7.5.1   X.Org miscellaneous bitmap fonts
xorg-fonts-truetype-7.5.1  X.Org TrueType fonts
xorg-fonts-type1-7.5.1 X.Org Type1 fonts
xorg-libraries-7.5.1   X.org libraries meta-port
xorg-macros-1.16.1 X.Org development aclocal macros
xorg-server-1.7.7_5,1  X.Org X server and related programs
# 

# pkg info -x xf86
libXxf86dga-1.1.2  X DGA Extension
libXxf86misc-1.0.3 X XF86-Misc Extension
libXxf86vm-1.1.1   X Vidmode Extension
xf86-input-keyboard-1.6.1  X.Org keyboard input driver
xf86-input-mouse-1.7.1 X.Org mouse input driver
xf86-video-ati-6.14.3_1X.Org ati display driver
xf86bigfontproto-1.2.0 XFree86-Bigfont extension headers
xf86dgaproto-2.1   XFree86-DGA extension headers
xf86driproto-2.1.1 XFree86-DRI extension headers
xf86miscproto-0.9.3XFree86-Misc extension headers
xf86vidmodeproto-2.3.1 XFree86-VidModeExtension extension headers
# 

My xorg.conf.new:


Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "X.org Configured"
Screen  0  "Screen0" 0 0
InputDevice"Mouse0" "CorePointer"
InputDevice"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
Option  "AllowEmptyInput" "Off"
EndSection

Section "Files"
ModulePath   "/usr/local/lib/xorg/modules"
FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/misc/"
FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/"
FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/OTF"
FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/"
FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/"
FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load  "extmod"
Load  "record"
Load  "dbe"
Load  "glx"
Load  "dri"
Load  "dri2"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Keyboard0"
Driver  "kbd"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Mouse0"
Driver  "mouse"
Option  "Protocol" "auto"
Option  "Device" "/dev/sysmouse"
Option  "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
#DisplaySize  330   210 # mm
Identifier   "Monitor0"
VendorName   "LPL"
ModelName"d600"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier  "Card0"
Driver  "radeon"
VendorName  "Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI"
BoardName   "RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series]"
BusID   "PCI:1:5:0"
Option "int10" "on"
Option "BusType" "PCIE"
Option "RenderAccel" "on"
Option "AccelMethod" "xaa"
Option "DynamicPM" "on"
Option "DRI" "on"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Card0"
Monitor"Monitor0"
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 1
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 4
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 8
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 15
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 16
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 24
EndSubSection
EndSection


The Xorg.0.log:



X.Org X Server 1.7.7
Release Date: 2010-05-04
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
Build Operating System: FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT amd64 
Current Operating System: FreeBSD mech-aslap239.men.bris.ac.uk 10.0-CURRENT 
FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT #0 r236740M: Sat Jun  9 22:35:49 BST 2012 
r...@mech-aslap239.men.bris.ac.uk:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/BUZI amd64
Build Date: 11 June 2012  12:11:20PM
 
Current version of pixman: 0.24.2
Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
to make sure that you have the latest version.
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Mon Jun 11 12:24:08 2012
(++) Using config file: "/root/xorg.conf.new"
(==) ServerLayout "X.org Configured"
(**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0)
(**) |   |-->Monitor "Mo

Re: Firefox Script Problems

[sean]

On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:27 AM, Subhro Sankha Kar wrote:

> Hello Sean,
> 
> Can you run FF from a terminal and report back what you see?
> 
> Thanks
> --
> Subhro Sankha Kar
> System Administrator
> Working and Playing with FreeBSD since 2002
> 

Thank you for the reply.
I have cured the problem.
To fix the unresponsiveness I had to delete the .mozilla directory in my home 
directory and let Firefox recreate a new one on startup.
I just had to reconfigure FF to my personal settings since this is a "first 
time" run.

Thanks again

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speed of "dump"

[Robert Huff]

Another thread, which I seem to have lost, was talking about
dump and sizing its cache.
Per my promise, appended is the log of this morning's level 0 dump,
using C=32.  THe system is -CURRENT from March, using AMD Phemon II
x4/3ghz and SATA 3gbit drives (one internal, one external.).


Robert Huff




Backup started. at Mon Jun 11 01:59:00 EDT 2012
/backup clean
Disk mounted
  DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Mon Jun 11 01:59:02 2012
  DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch
  DUMP: Dumping snapshot of /dev/ad2s1a (/) to 2012.Jun.11.root.dump
  DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files]
  DUMP: Cache 32 MB, blocksize = 65536
  DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories]
  DUMP: estimated 1295163 tape blocks.
  DUMP: dumping (Pass III) [directories]
  DUMP: dumping (Pass IV) [regular files]
  DUMP: DUMP: 1295138 tape blocks on 1 volume
  DUMP: finished in 106 seconds, throughput 12218 KBytes/sec
  DUMP: level 0 dump on Mon Jun 11 01:59:02 2012
  DUMP: Closing 2012.Jun.11.root.dump
  DUMP: DUMP IS DONE
Compressing with gzip ...
done
  DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Mon Jun 11 02:02:06 2012
  DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch
  DUMP: Dumping snapshot of /dev/ad2s1d (/var) to 2012.Jun.11.var.dump
  DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files]
  DUMP: Cache 32 MB, blocksize = 65536
  DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories]
  DUMP: estimated 545087 tape blocks.
  DUMP: dumping (Pass III) [directories]
  DUMP: dumping (Pass IV) [regular files]
  DUMP: DUMP: 545009 tape blocks on 1 volume
  DUMP: finished in 72 seconds, throughput 7569 KBytes/sec
  DUMP: level 0 dump on Mon Jun 11 02:02:06 2012
  DUMP: Closing 2012.Jun.11.var.dump
  DUMP: DUMP IS DONE
Compressing with gzip...
done
  DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Mon Jun 11 02:04:01 2012
  DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch
  DUMP: Dumping snapshot of /dev/ad4p2 (/usr) to 2012.Jun.11.usr.dump
  DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files]
  DUMP: Cache 32 MB, blocksize = 65536
  DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories]
  DUMP: estimated 34156025 tape blocks.
  DUMP: dumping (Pass III) [directories]
  DUMP: dumping (Pass IV) [regular files]
  DUMP: 11.75% done, finished in 0:37 at Mon Jun 11 02:46:45 2012
  DUMP: 29.89% done, finished in 0:23 at Mon Jun 11 02:37:39 2012
  DUMP: 44.21% done, finished in 0:18 at Mon Jun 11 02:38:07 2012
  DUMP: 63.00% done, finished in 0:11 at Mon Jun 11 02:35:56 2012
  DUMP: 83.78% done, finished in 0:04 at Mon Jun 11 02:34:02 2012
  DUMP: DUMP: 34166302 tape blocks on 1 volume
  DUMP: finished in 1746 seconds, throughput 19568 KBytes/sec
  DUMP: level 0 dump on Mon Jun 11 02:04:01 2012
  DUMP: Closing 2012.Jun.11.usr.dump
  DUMP: DUMP IS DONE
569586  /backup/Mon/root
34183010/backup/Mon/usr
139058  /backup/Mon/var
34891656/backup/Mon
Disk unmounted.
Backup complete. at Mon Jun 11 02:33:30 EDT 2012



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Re: prune ports tree?

[Volodymyr Kostyrko]

Gary Aitken wrote:

Is it possible to specify that parts of the ports tree should never be used?


Personally I prefer downloading full tree and then adding to 
/usr/local/etc/ports.conf something like:


lang/gcc46: IGNORE=lang/gcc should be used instead

or

net-p2p/*: IGNORE=server doesn't need this

It's ports-mgmt/portconf configuration file.

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mail server

[Bahaa Babekir]

I want to sent me configuration to build mail server step by step
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Re: Version Selection

[Brian W.]

There are two advantages that come to mind quickly.

With amd64 you could install more than 4 gigs of ram and have it
recognized. With i386 if you need to do this pae would need to be
installed,  which FreeBSD doc pages say is if beta quality.

I bet that amd64 will get more dev attention.
On Jun 10, 2012 11:21 PM, "Doug Hardie"  wrote:

> I have a number of servers that I am about to upgrade to FreeBSD 9.0.  The
> processors all have the ability to run i386 or amd64.  The machines all
> have 2 GB memory which is more than adequate for their intended use.  Some
> of these are replacing very old equipment that is being retired and did not
> have the ability to run amd64 so everything has been i386 till now.  The
> question is what are the advantages or disadvantages of switching to amd64?
>  I have tested all the various applications on amd64 and they work fine.
>  Is there going to be any benefit down the road in a few years to being on
> amd64?  If so, now would be the time to switch.
>
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Re: speed of "dump"

[Warren Block]

On Mon, 11 Jun 2012, Robert Huff wrote:



Another thread, which I seem to have lost, was talking about
dump and sizing its cache.
Per my promise, appended is the log of this morning's level 0 dump,
using C=32.  THe system is -CURRENT from March, using AMD Phemon II
x4/3ghz and SATA 3gbit drives (one internal, one external.).

 DUMP: finished in 1746 seconds, throughput 19568 KBytes/sec


Are you using -b64 ?  That can make a serious throughput improvement 
over smaller values.

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Re: speed of "dump"

[Adam Vande More]

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Robert Huff  wrote:

>
>  DUMP: finished in 1746 seconds, throughput 19568 KBytes/sec
>

Looks like one of your disks must be USB.

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Re: xfce 4.10 update problems

[jb]

Warren Block  wonkity.com> writes:

> ... 
> > - startx fails when moused enabled
> > (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/psm0
> > Device busy.
> > (EE) PS/2 Mouse: cannot open input device
> > (EE) PreInit returned NULL for "PS/2 Mouse"
> > (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (8)
> > xinit: connection to X server lost
> >
> > Any known solutions ?
> 
> Disable hal in xorg.conf, ServerLayout section:
> 
> Option "AutoAddDevices" "Off"

OK, that's way to go.

But there is something strange.
I tried to fix the problem by disabling moused in /etc/rc.conf .
After reboot, I could 'startx' X session.
But 'ps' still showed moused processes:
$ ps auxww |grep -i mouse
root 1286 0.0 0.1 9716 1148 ?? Ss 8:55AM 0:01.02
/usr/sbin/moused -p /dev/ums0 -t auto -I /var/run/moused.ums0.pid
root 1888 0.0 0.1 9716 1144 ?? Is 8:55AM 0:00.00
/usr/sbin/moused -p /dev/psm0 -t auto
root 2045 0.0 0.1 12340 2516 ?? I 8:55AM 0:00.01
hald-addon-mouse-sysmouse: /dev/psm0 (hald-addon-mouse-sy)
root 2065 0.0 0.1 12340 2520 ?? I 8:55AM 0:00.01
hald-addon-mouse-sysmouse: /dev/ums0 (hald-addon-mouse-sy)
jb 2262 0.0 0.1 9748 1284 2 S+ 9:03AM 0:00.01
grep -i mouse

I tested it by rebooting 3 times.
I have 2 mouses: Lenovo Thinkpad stick and external usb mouse.

How to explain that?
jb


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Re: xfce 4.10 update problems

[Mark Felder]

On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 10:22:51 -0500, jb  wrote:



I tested it by rebooting 3 times.
I have 2 mouses: Lenovo Thinkpad stick and external usb mouse.


moused_nondefault_enable="NO" perhaps?
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Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

[Chad Perrin]

On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 03:27:25AM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
> 
> 
> On 9 Jun 2012, at 18:48, Chad Perrin  wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Jun 06, 2012 at 11:42:37PM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
> >> 
> >> On 6 Jun 2012, at 21:52, Dave U. Random 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Polytropon  wrote:
> >>> 
>  On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 11:47:11 +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> > Having to pay Verisign instead of Microsoft makes no difference: the
> > point is why should I have to pay anything to a third party in order to
> > run whatever OS I want on a piece of hardware I own?
> >>> 
> >>> It's time to dump the Intel/Microshaft mafia forever. FreeBSD, OpenBSD,
> >>> NetBSD, and even Linux have ports to many platforms. Why stay on Intel? 
> >>> It's
> >>> an overgrown ugly mess.
> >>> 
> >>> We need to stop buying Intel mafiaware with preinstalled Microshaft 
> >>> mafiware
> >>> and run a free (or in the case of Linux "apparently free") OS on free
> >>> hardware.
> >>> 
> >>> There are increasing numbers of SBCs and plenty of used servers on
> >>> Ebay. They're all built better than commodity Intel mafiaware. Good
> >>> riddance!
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> You have no idea what you're talking about.
> >> 
> >> This kind of religious propaganda post is neither constructive nor
> >> helpful.
> > 
> > It should be noted that your tone is neither constructive nor helpful, to
> > say nothing of your contentless response.  Do you have anything useful to
> > say in response to what Dave U. Random contributed -- perhaps a
> > thoughtful refutation of some specific point(s)?  I hope you have more of
> > value to contribute than your obvious disdain for people who disagree
> > with you about something (without even specifying on what points you
> > disagree).
> > 
> > -- 
> > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ]
> > 
> 
> If you had bothered to read all the other mails I've posted on this
> very specific thread, you wouldn't need to ask the question.

This has nothing to do with what I said.


> 
> If you're going to participate in the Linux zealots' propaganda that
> makes OSS defenders sound so ridiculous and delusional, so be it.

I kinda wish you would respond to what I said, rather than to whatever
persecution of you personally in which you imagine I have engaged.


> 
> Fact is, if Microsoft didn't deliver acceptable products, people wouldn't use 
> them.

There are differing standards of acceptability, in many cases
differentiated by the level of knowledge of circumstances on which a
particular standard is founded.  It is perfectly reasonable, in some
cases at least, to question whether what many people consider
"acceptable" when they are ignorant of salient facts is something that
should, in fact, be regarded as "unacceptable", because people should be
more aware of these facts.  For instance, when someone plays a shell game
for money, it is fraudulent to operate the game while not actually having
a pea under one of the shells.  People who are not aware of the fact they
are being defrauded may consider the game "acceptable", and thus the
operator of the game may still enjoy a steady flow of customers, but
someone who knows the game operator is tricking people by removing or
hiding the pea so that their guesses are always wrong can reasonably
question the appropriateness of such a judgement of acceptability.


>
> Calling them a mafia is neither constructive (I invite you to look up
> the word mafia in a thesaurus), nor backed up by actual facts.

I never said anything about the language used.  Your statement about the
counterproductive use of exaggerative terms may accurate, but is quite
irrelevant to what I said.


> 
> OP is just going on a rampage about MS and intel.

So, it seems, are you -- just from a different direction.  The main
differences appear to be the use of inflammatory terms and the fact that
the other party, at least, is actually trying to address points others
bring up, while you intermittently fail to do so in favor of simply
attacking the person behind the comments made.


> 
> You want to follow his advice and advocate the exclusive use of alpha
> machines ?

No.  This has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.


>
> I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here.
> No, I'm not gonna use alphas.
> And no, I'm not going to let a random person (hey, choice words !) call
> intel or MS a mafia just because he's on a zealot crusade.

Great.  Wonderful.  Whatever.  This has precisely zero to do with what I
said.  Perhaps you thought you were responding to someone else.


> 
> Without MS (and IBM amongst others) it's possible that computing would
> never have reached such an audience as it has.

It's also possible that without MS (and IBM amongst others) it would have
reached a broader audience in a much more functional form than its
present reach.  We can speculate at each other all day, and still not
arrive at any statements of substance or identification of reasons you
fa

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

[Chad Perrin]

On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 07:23:20AM -0400, Jerry wrote:
> 
> It is fairly easy to understand both sides in this discussion. When
> Microsoft supporters refer to open-source software as "open-sore" or
> "socialist-software" the FOSS community becomes enraged. However, when
> the open-source community retaliates it is considered acceptable. Quite
> frankly I read far more Microsoft based forums than open-source based
> ones and I can say without a doubt, at least in my experience,
> Microsoft proponents never attack open-source with the venomous hatred
> that open-source attacks Microsoft. In fact, the majority of Microsoft
> users that I know could not care less about what they consider an
> overly burdensome (geeky) open-source operating system.
> 
> The whole argument can probably be boiled do to this:
> 
> Disparaging other operating systems (Microsoft) and pointing out its
> failures is beneficial, constructive and therapeutic. Pointing out
> problems and failures regarding your own OS is destructive and flame
> bait.

Perhaps you're spending too much time in the community venues of open
source software projects.  In communities devoted to use of software
peddled by Microsoft, the reverse would be true, and this seems to me not
the least bit surprising, or even particularly inappropriate.  When you
stroll into a venue where it can reasonably be assumed there is a general
consensus position of favoring one thing over another (such as a sports
bar in Colorado, which would likely favor the Broncos over the Raiders),
then start loudly proclaiming the evils of the favored thing relative to
the unfavored (such as talking about how much better the Raiders are than
the Broncos, and how the Broncos fans are all a bunch of pansy whiners,
as you tend to do about open source software users and advocates while
you're hanging out here on a FreeBSD mailing list), what you are
contributing to the discussion may quite understandably be called
"flamebait".  Expressing surprise that someone would apply such a label
in these circumstances is, in my estimation, at least disingenuous if not
wholly ludicrous, directly deceptive, and/or frankly dumb.

I, for one, generally try to avoid saying nonfactually disparaging things
about Microsoft or (especially) users of software peddled by Microsoft in
venues like this mailing list, in part because it's a bit
unsportsmanlike, and in part because it doesn't really contribute
anything positive.  It's kind of mind-boggling that people like you make
no evident effort to avoid saying disparaging things about FreeBSD and
its users in venues like this mailing list, where it's trollish, does not
contribute anything positive, and directly offends large numbers of
people subscribed to the list.

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Re: OT - enjoy it

[Chad Perrin]

On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 06:26:16AM +, jb wrote:
> Chinese advertising of soccer championship Euro 2012
> 
> http://avaxnews.com/wow/Chinese_Advertising_UEFA_Euro_2012.html

That . . . was nuts.  What just happened?

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Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

[Jerry]

On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 10:11:11 -0600
Chad Perrin articulated:

>On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 07:23:20AM -0400, Jerry wrote:
>> 
>> It is fairly easy to understand both sides in this discussion. When
>> Microsoft supporters refer to open-source software as "open-sore" or
>> "socialist-software" the FOSS community becomes enraged. However,
>> when the open-source community retaliates it is considered
>> acceptable. Quite frankly I read far more Microsoft based forums
>> than open-source based ones and I can say without a doubt, at least
>> in my experience, Microsoft proponents never attack open-source with
>> the venomous hatred that open-source attacks Microsoft. In fact, the
>> majority of Microsoft users that I know could not care less about
>> what they consider an overly burdensome (geeky) open-source
>> operating system.
>> 
>> The whole argument can probably be boiled do to this:
>> 
>> Disparaging other operating systems (Microsoft) and pointing out its
>> failures is beneficial, constructive and therapeutic. Pointing out
>> problems and failures regarding your own OS is destructive and flame
>> bait.
>
>Perhaps you're spending too much time in the community venues of open
>source software projects.  In communities devoted to use of software
>peddled by Microsoft, the reverse would be true, and this seems to me
>not the least bit surprising, or even particularly inappropriate.
>When you stroll into a venue where it can reasonably be assumed there
>is a general consensus position of favoring one thing over another
>(such as a sports bar in Colorado, which would likely favor the
>Broncos over the Raiders), then start loudly proclaiming the evils of
>the favored thing relative to the unfavored (such as talking about how
>much better the Raiders are than the Broncos, and how the Broncos fans
>are all a bunch of pansy whiners, as you tend to do about open source
>software users and advocates while you're hanging out here on a
>FreeBSD mailing list), what you are contributing to the discussion may
>quite understandably be called "flamebait".  Expressing surprise that
>someone would apply such a label in these circumstances is, in my
>estimation, at least disingenuous if not wholly ludicrous, directly
>deceptive, and/or frankly dumb.

Your paranoia is kicking in again isn't it Chad. Anyway, to address
your sports analogy, if I walk into a NY City bar and enter into a
discussion regarding the pros and cons of the Jets VS Giants, which in
itself is ridiculous since neither is actually located in NY, and
blatantly scream out that the (Jets of Giants -- you pick) are a bunch
of mother-fucking, wife beating pedophiles, I think you would agree,
unless you happen to belong to that group, that I have gone way over
the top in my team assessment. There is a major difference between
criticizing and defamation. Perhaps someday you will learn the
difference. For the record, I have never heard of anyone using the term
"mafia" while referring to the FOSS. Then again, the "Mafia" is a
highly organized operation. I might also add that many people of
Italian descent consider the term "mafia" offensive.

>I, for one, generally try to avoid saying nonfactually disparaging
>things about Microsoft or (especially) users of software peddled by
>Microsoft in venues like this mailing list, in part because it's a bit
>unsportsmanlike, and in part because it doesn't really contribute
>anything positive.  It's kind of mind-boggling that people like you
>make no evident effort to avoid saying disparaging things about
>FreeBSD and its users in venues like this mailing list, where it's
>trollish, does not contribute anything positive, and directly offends
>large numbers of people subscribed to the list.

When was this election held Chad? I am referring to the one that
appointed you list spokesperson. In any case, you make an interesting
statement without offering any documentation. Are you a politician
Chad? I was inquiring because you seem to like making sound bites sans
substance.

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Re: USB 3.0 delay in 'detecting' attached drive

[Waitman Gobble]

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:36 AM, Julian H. Stacey  wrote:

> Waitman Gobble wrote:
> > On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Julian H. Stacey 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Waitman Gobble wrote:
> > > > On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Julian H. Stacey 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Waitman Gobble wrote:
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have a new machine with 2 USB 3.0 ports and 2 USB 2.0 ports.
> When I
> > > > > plug
> > > > > > a USB 3.0 drive / cable into the USB 3.0 port it takes about 70
> > > seconds
> > > > > for
> > > > > > the drive to show up, on the USB 2.0 port it's instantly. I
> haven't
> > > used
> > > > > > USB 3.0 with FreeBSD so I'm not sure if this is expected or
> maybe I
> > > need
> > > > > to
> > > > > > reconfigure something or look at a different kernel config.
> > > > >
> > > > > Might be a marginal power issue.
> > > > > USB 3 devices are allowed to consume 1.0 Amps.
> > > > > USB2 ports only need provide 0.5.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a tower wont recognise my USB disc on its USB2 ports.
> > > > > On my new PCI express card in same tower, it comes up quickly.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Julian
> > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Not sure if there's anything I can do about that. It's a new HP dv6
> > > laptop
> > > > which according to box was mfg in May 2012... I would assume hardware
> > > would
> > > > be designed and put together properly. :)
> > >
> > > Sounds new enough :-)
> > >
> > > My USB3 disc on my newish laptop with USB 2 socket & 8.2 & 9.0 come
> > > up fast enough, not noticed problems, not specificaly timed it though.
> > >
> > > Try external power if you have a socket on disk box  ?
> > >
> > > Try disk on another known good FreeBSD USB3 card on a tower (my card
> cost
> > > 30 Euro BTW)
> > >
> > > Or try a power doubler cable (connected via a female to female
> > > adapter, which Ive never seen on sale, I made my own by cutting up
> > > a dead mainboard), to the USB 3 male to male cable. (for any who
> > > dont know, cant omit that cable as USB3 socket on lapop size drives
> > > is a different shape, flater, wider.
> > >
> > > I wonder if it might be taking time dropping back to USB2 speed.
> > > if eg you don't have xhci in kernel ?
> > >
> > > I have all of
> > >config -x/boot/kernel/kernel | grep hci
> > >device  uhci
> > >device  ohci
> > >device  xhci
> > >device  ehci
> > > I just havent taken some out yet.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Julian
>
> > I believe it uses ohci for usb 2.0,
>
> I doubt that.
>
> > xhci for 3.0,
>
> Yes
>
> > ehci for 1.0
>
> No
>
>
> Reading manuals:
>  ehci : for a controller chip that Only does USB 2.0, not 1.0
>  ohci : OHCI v1.0 USB1
>  uhci : UHCI v1.1 USB1
>  xhci : USB 1.0, 2.0 and 3.0
>
> > (which I
> > suppose might be connected to some device internally even if you do not
> > have 1.0 port?)
> >
> > I originally built this system on a different machine, with different
> > hardware, but it really shouldn't make a different AFAIK.
> > .. But I did just csup and rebuild everything on the laptop... i needed
> to
> > build some devices into the kernel anyhow,  and NOW the usb 3.0 connect
> is
> > instantly, there is now no 70 second delay.
>
> Good.  BTW I'd not considered you might be seeing something on current,
> as this questions@ was originaly created for people new to FreeBSD
> Machine my end was 8.3-RELEASE. The current@ list would know if xhci
> was problematic.
>
> > I'd have to check, maybe there
> > was a change in xhci between June 2 and today which could have caused the
> > issue. Or it was just a 'weird harold' event, for some reason it just
> felt
> > like sitting there a minute.
> >
> > Thanks for your help,
>
> :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Julian
> --
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>  Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64,
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>

Hi,

thanks - good point. maybe even freebsd-usb group would be better.
i'll see if it happens again and post in there.


Waitman
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mysqld startup issue

[Gary Aitken]

I've done the following after having a running system with a running mysql on 
it:

moved user accounts, although no logical move:
  /usr/home/foo was => /hd1/foo
now
  /usr/home => /hd1/home  and /hd1/foo is now /hd1/home/foo
repartitioned the SSD and restored the system from a dump taken prior to 
repartitioning.
removed all ports and reinstalled them

Unfortunately, mysqld won't start:

120611 10:55:52 [Warning] Can't create test file 
/var/db/mysql/breakaway.lower-test
120611 10:55:52 [Warning] Can't create test file 
/var/db/mysql/breakaway.lower-test
mysqld: Table 'mysql.plugin' doesn't exist
120611 10:55:52 [ERROR] Can't open the mysql.plugin table. Please run 
mysql_upgrade to create it.
120611 10:55:52 InnoDB: The InnoDB memory heap is disabled
120611 10:55:52 InnoDB: Mutexes and rw_locks use GCC atomic builtins
120611 10:55:52 InnoDB: Compressed tables use zlib 1.2.5
120611 10:55:52 InnoDB: Initializing buffer pool, size = 128.0M
120611 10:55:52 InnoDB: Completed initialization of buffer pool
120611 10:55:52  InnoDB: Operating system error number 13 in a file operation.
InnoDB: The error means mysqld does not have the access rights to
InnoDB: the directory.
InnoDB: File name ./ibdata1
InnoDB: File operation call: 'create'.
InnoDB: Cannot continue operation.

Running mysqld --verbose shows:

  basedir /usr/local
  general-log-file/var/db/mysql/breakaway.log

ls -aol /usr/local/libexec/mysqld
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  - 9558944 Jun 11 10:40 /usr/local/libexec/mysqld
ls -dl /var/db/mysql
drwxr-xr-x  2 mysql  mysql  512 Jun 11 10:31 /var/db/mysql

cd /
find . -ls | grep my.cnf

shows nothing.

This looks like some kind of access / setuid problem, but I'm not sure what.
Suggestions?
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Dedicated pointing device for a Xephyr instance

[schultz]

Hi,

I have a Xorg server (x11-servers/xorg-server) running receiving
input from a synaptics touchpad at /dev/psm0. I would like to run
a Xephyr (x11-servers/xephyr) instance in this server that would
take input from a different, dedicated pointing device, in this
case a USB mouse at /dev/ums0.

The Xephyr help mentions a -mouse option. I have searched a lot on
the internet about this and even tried to read the relevant part
of Xephyr's source code. While I could not understand the overall
structure of that code, I noticed no relevant KdPointerDriver
structure.

It also seems that is possible on Linux with a evdev driver. Is it
also possible on FreeBSD?



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Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

[Chad Perrin]

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 12:59:46PM -0400, Jerry wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 10:11:11 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated:
> 
> >On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 07:23:20AM -0400, Jerry wrote:
> >> 
> >> It is fairly easy to understand both sides in this discussion. When
> >> Microsoft supporters refer to open-source software as "open-sore" or
> >> "socialist-software" the FOSS community becomes enraged. However,
> >> when the open-source community retaliates it is considered
> >> acceptable. Quite frankly I read far more Microsoft based forums
> >> than open-source based ones and I can say without a doubt, at least
> >> in my experience, Microsoft proponents never attack open-source with
> >> the venomous hatred that open-source attacks Microsoft. In fact, the
> >> majority of Microsoft users that I know could not care less about
> >> what they consider an overly burdensome (geeky) open-source
> >> operating system.
> >> 
> >> The whole argument can probably be boiled do to this:
> >> 
> >> Disparaging other operating systems (Microsoft) and pointing out its
> >> failures is beneficial, constructive and therapeutic. Pointing out
> >> problems and failures regarding your own OS is destructive and flame
> >> bait.
> >
> >Perhaps you're spending too much time in the community venues of open
> >source software projects.  In communities devoted to use of software
> >peddled by Microsoft, the reverse would be true, and this seems to me
> >not the least bit surprising, or even particularly inappropriate.
> >When you stroll into a venue where it can reasonably be assumed there
> >is a general consensus position of favoring one thing over another
> >(such as a sports bar in Colorado, which would likely favor the
> >Broncos over the Raiders), then start loudly proclaiming the evils of
> >the favored thing relative to the unfavored (such as talking about how
> >much better the Raiders are than the Broncos, and how the Broncos fans
> >are all a bunch of pansy whiners, as you tend to do about open source
> >software users and advocates while you're hanging out here on a
> >FreeBSD mailing list), what you are contributing to the discussion may
> >quite understandably be called "flamebait".  Expressing surprise that
> >someone would apply such a label in these circumstances is, in my
> >estimation, at least disingenuous if not wholly ludicrous, directly
> >deceptive, and/or frankly dumb.
> 
> Your paranoia is kicking in again isn't it Chad. Anyway, to address
> your sports analogy, if I walk into a NY City bar and enter into a
> discussion regarding the pros and cons of the Jets VS Giants, which in
> itself is ridiculous since neither is actually located in NY, and
> blatantly scream out that the (Jets of Giants -- you pick) are a bunch
> of mother-fucking, wife beating pedophiles, I think you would agree,
> unless you happen to belong to that group, that I have gone way over
> the top in my team assessment. There is a major difference between
> criticizing and defamation. Perhaps someday you will learn the
> difference. For the record, I have never heard of anyone using the term
> "mafia" while referring to the FOSS. Then again, the "Mafia" is a
> highly organized operation. I might also add that many people of
> Italian descent consider the term "mafia" offensive.

I'm going to actually ignore your completely irrelevant and hilariously
unfounded attempt at psychiatric diagnosis beyond this sentence, and get
to the point:

Ignoring for the moment http://linuxmafia.com it is true that I have
generally not heard of open source software or its community referred to
as "mafia", but I have heard of such things referred to as being
socialist, fascist, or otherwise pejoratively accused of inapplicable
political, criminal, or generally objectionable (in at least someone's
eyes) character.  Three guesses who comes first to mind as having made
such statements, and the first two guesses don't count.


> >
> >I, for one, generally try to avoid saying nonfactually disparaging
> >things about Microsoft or (especially) users of software peddled by
> >Microsoft in venues like this mailing list, in part because it's a bit
> >unsportsmanlike, and in part because it doesn't really contribute
> >anything positive.  It's kind of mind-boggling that people like you
> >make no evident effort to avoid saying disparaging things about
> >FreeBSD and its users in venues like this mailing list, where it's
> >trollish, does not contribute anything positive, and directly offends
> >large numbers of people subscribed to the list.
> 
> When was this election held Chad? I am referring to the one that
> appointed you list spokesperson. In any case, you make an interesting
> statement without offering any documentation. Are you a politician
> Chad? I was inquiring because you seem to like making sound bites sans
> substance.

I referred to no election.  I am not list spokesperson, nor do I pretend
to be or act as one, any more than you are the spokesperson for
capitali

Re: can't kill -9 Xorg

[Subhro Sankha Kar]

Hello

What happens if you run without a xorg.conf? Xorg has become pretty good at 
guessing correct settings these days.

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On 11-Jun-2012, at 5:01 PM, Anton Shterenlikht wrote:

> My X is unusable since the recent png update.
> 
> This is r236740M on HP Compaq 6715s amd64 laptop.
> 
> I've no hal installed (if this matters).
> 
> # pkg info -x xorg
> linux-f10-xorg-libs-7.4_1  Xorg libraries (Linux Fedora 10)
> xorg-cf-files-1.0.4X.org cf files for use with imake builds
> xorg-fonts-7.5.1   X.org fonts meta-port
> xorg-fonts-100dpi-7.5.1X.Org 100dpi bitmap fonts
> xorg-fonts-75dpi-7.5.1 X.Org 75dpi bitmap fonts
> xorg-fonts-cyrillic-7.5.1  X.Org Cyrillic bitmap fonts
> xorg-fonts-miscbitmaps-7.5.1   X.Org miscellaneous bitmap fonts
> xorg-fonts-truetype-7.5.1  X.Org TrueType fonts
> xorg-fonts-type1-7.5.1 X.Org Type1 fonts
> xorg-libraries-7.5.1   X.org libraries meta-port
> xorg-macros-1.16.1 X.Org development aclocal macros
> xorg-server-1.7.7_5,1  X.Org X server and related programs
> # 
> 
> # pkg info -x xf86
> libXxf86dga-1.1.2  X DGA Extension
> libXxf86misc-1.0.3 X XF86-Misc Extension
> libXxf86vm-1.1.1   X Vidmode Extension
> xf86-input-keyboard-1.6.1  X.Org keyboard input driver
> xf86-input-mouse-1.7.1 X.Org mouse input driver
> xf86-video-ati-6.14.3_1X.Org ati display driver
> xf86bigfontproto-1.2.0 XFree86-Bigfont extension headers
> xf86dgaproto-2.1   XFree86-DGA extension headers
> xf86driproto-2.1.1 XFree86-DRI extension headers
> xf86miscproto-0.9.3XFree86-Misc extension headers
> xf86vidmodeproto-2.3.1 XFree86-VidModeExtension extension headers
> # 
> 
> My xorg.conf.new:
> 
> 
> Section "ServerLayout"
>   Identifier "X.org Configured"
>   Screen  0  "Screen0" 0 0
>   InputDevice"Mouse0" "CorePointer"
>   InputDevice"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
>   Option  "AllowEmptyInput" "Off"
> EndSection
> 
> Section "Files"
>   ModulePath   "/usr/local/lib/xorg/modules"
>   FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/misc/"
>   FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/"
>   FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/OTF"
>   FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/"
>   FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/"
>   FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/"
> EndSection
> 
> Section "Module"
>   Load  "extmod"
>   Load  "record"
>   Load  "dbe"
>   Load  "glx"
>   Load  "dri"
>   Load  "dri2"
> EndSection
> 
> Section "InputDevice"
>   Identifier  "Keyboard0"
>   Driver  "kbd"
> EndSection
> 
> Section "InputDevice"
>   Identifier  "Mouse0"
>   Driver  "mouse"
>   Option  "Protocol" "auto"
>   Option  "Device" "/dev/sysmouse"
>   Option  "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7"
> EndSection
> 
> Section "Monitor"
>   #DisplaySize  330   210 # mm
>   Identifier   "Monitor0"
>   VendorName   "LPL"
>   ModelName"d600"
> EndSection
> 
> Section "Device"
>   Identifier  "Card0"
>   Driver  "radeon"
>   VendorName  "Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI"
>   BoardName   "RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series]"
>   BusID   "PCI:1:5:0"
>   Option "int10" "on"
>   Option "BusType" "PCIE"
>Option "RenderAccel" "on"
>Option "AccelMethod" "xaa"
>Option "DynamicPM" "on"
>Option "DRI" "on"
> EndSection
> 
> Section "Screen"
>   Identifier "Screen0"
>   Device "Card0"
>   Monitor"Monitor0"
>   SubSection "Display"
>   Viewport   0 0
>   Depth 1
>   EndSubSection
>   SubSection "Display"
>   Viewport   0 0
>   Depth 4
>   EndSubSection
>   SubSection "Display"
>   Viewport   0 0
>   Depth 8
>   EndSubSection
>   SubSection "Display"
>   Viewport   0 0
>   Depth 15
>   EndSubSection
>   SubSection "Display"
>   Viewport   0 0
>   Depth 16
>   EndSubSection
>   SubSection "Display"
>   Viewport   0 0
>   Depth 24
>   EndSubSection
> EndSection
> 
> 
> The Xorg.0.log:
> 
> 
> 
> X.Org X Server 1.7.7
> Release Date: 2010-05-04
> X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
> Build Operating System: FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT amd64 
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Re: mysqld startup issue

[Subhro Sankha Kar]

On 11-Jun-2012, at 11:02 PM, Gary Aitken wrote:

> I've done the following after having a running system with a running mysql on 
> it:
> 
> moved user accounts, although no logical move:
>  /usr/home/foo was => /hd1/foo
> now
>  /usr/home => /hd1/home  and /hd1/foo is now /hd1/home/foo
> repartitioned the SSD and restored the system from a dump taken prior to 
> repartitioning.
> removed all ports and reinstalled them
> 
> Unfortunately, mysqld won't start:
> 
> 120611 10:55:52 [Warning] Can't create test file 
> /var/db/mysql/breakaway.lower-test

What's the permission of /var/db/mysql? Also what user is mysql running as?

Thanks
Subhro
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System Administrator
Working and Playing with FreeBSD since 2002


> 120611 10:55:52 [Warning] Can't create test file 
> /var/db/mysql/breakaway.lower-test
> mysqld: Table 'mysql.plugin' doesn't exist
> 120611 10:55:52 [ERROR] Can't open the mysql.plugin table. Please run 
> mysql_upgrade to create it.
> 120611 10:55:52 InnoDB: The InnoDB memory heap is disabled
> 120611 10:55:52 InnoDB: Mutexes and rw_locks use GCC atomic builtins
> 120611 10:55:52 InnoDB: Compressed tables use zlib 1.2.5
> 120611 10:55:52 InnoDB: Initializing buffer pool, size = 128.0M
> 120611 10:55:52 InnoDB: Completed initialization of buffer pool
> 120611 10:55:52  InnoDB: Operating system error number 13 in a file operation.
> InnoDB: The error means mysqld does not have the access rights to
> InnoDB: the directory.
> InnoDB: File name ./ibdata1
> InnoDB: File operation call: 'create'.
> InnoDB: Cannot continue operation.
> 
> Running mysqld --verbose shows:
> 
>  basedir /usr/local
>  general-log-file/var/db/mysql/breakaway.log
> 
> ls -aol /usr/local/libexec/mysqld
> -rwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  - 9558944 Jun 11 10:40 /usr/local/libexec/mysqld
> ls -dl /var/db/mysql
> drwxr-xr-x  2 mysql  mysql  512 Jun 11 10:31 /var/db/mysql
> 
> cd /
> find . -ls | grep my.cnf
> 
> shows nothing.
> 
> This looks like some kind of access / setuid problem, but I'm not sure what.
> Suggestions?
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Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

[Jerry]

On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 11:44:11 -0600
Chad Perrin articulated:

>On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 12:59:46PM -0400, Jerry wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 10:11:11 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated:
>> 
>> >On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 07:23:20AM -0400, Jerry wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> It is fairly easy to understand both sides in this discussion.
>> >> When Microsoft supporters refer to open-source software as
>> >> "open-sore" or "socialist-software" the FOSS community becomes
>> >> enraged. However, when the open-source community retaliates it is
>> >> considered acceptable. Quite frankly I read far more Microsoft
>> >> based forums than open-source based ones and I can say without a
>> >> doubt, at least in my experience, Microsoft proponents never
>> >> attack open-source with the venomous hatred that open-source
>> >> attacks Microsoft. In fact, the majority of Microsoft users that
>> >> I know could not care less about what they consider an overly
>> >> burdensome (geeky) open-source operating system.
>> >> 
>> >> The whole argument can probably be boiled do to this:
>> >> 
>> >> Disparaging other operating systems (Microsoft) and pointing out
>> >> its failures is beneficial, constructive and therapeutic.
>> >> Pointing out problems and failures regarding your own OS is
>> >> destructive and flame bait.
>> >
>> >Perhaps you're spending too much time in the community venues of
>> >open source software projects.  In communities devoted to use of
>> >software peddled by Microsoft, the reverse would be true, and this
>> >seems to me not the least bit surprising, or even particularly
>> >inappropriate. When you stroll into a venue where it can reasonably
>> >be assumed there is a general consensus position of favoring one
>> >thing over another (such as a sports bar in Colorado, which would
>> >likely favor the Broncos over the Raiders), then start loudly
>> >proclaiming the evils of the favored thing relative to the
>> >unfavored (such as talking about how much better the Raiders are
>> >than the Broncos, and how the Broncos fans are all a bunch of pansy
>> >whiners, as you tend to do about open source software users and
>> >advocates while you're hanging out here on a FreeBSD mailing list),
>> >what you are contributing to the discussion may quite
>> >understandably be called "flamebait".  Expressing surprise that
>> >someone would apply such a label in these circumstances is, in my
>> >estimation, at least disingenuous if not wholly ludicrous, directly
>> >deceptive, and/or frankly dumb.
>> 
>> Your paranoia is kicking in again isn't it Chad. Anyway, to address
>> your sports analogy, if I walk into a NY City bar and enter into a
>> discussion regarding the pros and cons of the Jets VS Giants, which
>> in itself is ridiculous since neither is actually located in NY, and
>> blatantly scream out that the (Jets of Giants -- you pick) are a
>> bunch of mother-fucking, wife beating pedophiles, I think you would
>> agree, unless you happen to belong to that group, that I have gone
>> way over the top in my team assessment. There is a major difference
>> between criticizing and defamation. Perhaps someday you will learn
>> the difference. For the record, I have never heard of anyone using
>> the term "mafia" while referring to the FOSS. Then again, the
>> "Mafia" is a highly organized operation. I might also add that many
>> people of Italian descent consider the term "mafia" offensive.
>
>I'm going to actually ignore your completely irrelevant and hilariously
>unfounded attempt at psychiatric diagnosis beyond this sentence, and
>get to the point:
>
>Ignoring for the moment http://linuxmafia.com it is true that I have
>generally not heard of open source software or its community referred
>to as "mafia", but I have heard of such things referred to as being
>socialist, fascist, or otherwise pejoratively accused of inapplicable
>political, criminal, or generally objectionable (in at least someone's
>eyes) character.  Three guesses who comes first to mind as having made
>such statements, and the first two guesses don't count.

I love the way you make a statement, then add a qualifier to the
statement making it virtually impossible to attack as well as giving
yourself a way out. I'll explain further in my reply near the end of
this post.

>> >I, for one, generally try to avoid saying nonfactually disparaging
>> >things about Microsoft or (especially) users of software peddled by
>> >Microsoft in venues like this mailing list, in part because it's a
>> >bit unsportsmanlike, and in part because it doesn't really
>> >contribute anything positive.  It's kind of mind-boggling that
>> >people like you make no evident effort to avoid saying disparaging
>> >things about FreeBSD and its users in venues like this mailing
>> >list, where it's trollish, does not contribute anything positive,
>> >and directly offends large numbers of people subscribed to the list.
>> 
>> When was this election held Chad? I am referring to the one that
>> appointed you lis

Re: xfce 4.10 update problems

[Warren Block]

On Mon, 11 Jun 2012, jb wrote:


Warren Block  wonkity.com> writes:


...

- startx fails when moused enabled
(EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/psm0
Device busy.
(EE) PS/2 Mouse: cannot open input device
(EE) PreInit returned NULL for "PS/2 Mouse"
(EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (8)
xinit: connection to X server lost

Any known solutions ?


Disable hal in xorg.conf, ServerLayout section:

Option "AutoAddDevices" "Off"


OK, that's way to go.

But there is something strange.
I tried to fix the problem by disabling moused in /etc/rc.conf .
After reboot, I could 'startx' X session.
But 'ps' still showed moused processes:
$ ps auxww |grep -i mouse
root 1286 0.0 0.1 9716 1148 ?? Ss 8:55AM 0:01.02
/usr/sbin/moused -p /dev/ums0 -t auto -I /var/run/moused.ums0.pid
root 1888 0.0 0.1 9716 1144 ?? Is 8:55AM 0:00.00
/usr/sbin/moused -p /dev/psm0 -t auto
root 2045 0.0 0.1 12340 2516 ?? I 8:55AM 0:00.01
hald-addon-mouse-sysmouse: /dev/psm0 (hald-addon-mouse-sy)
root 2065 0.0 0.1 12340 2520 ?? I 8:55AM 0:00.01
hald-addon-mouse-sysmouse: /dev/ums0 (hald-addon-mouse-sy)
jb 2262 0.0 0.1 9748 1284 2 S+ 9:03AM 0:00.01
grep -i mouse

I tested it by rebooting 3 times.
I have 2 mouses: Lenovo Thinkpad stick and external usb mouse.


devd runs moused when USB mice are attached, even if moused_enable="NO" 
is set in rc.conf.


That's not a bad thing.  It seems like enabling moused is needed 
somehow, maybe just to get a handle on the mice before HAL starts.

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Re: mysqld startup issue

[Michael Powell]

Gary Aitken wrote:

> I've done the following after having a running system with a running mysql
> on it:
> 
> moved user accounts, although no logical move:
>   /usr/home/foo was => /hd1/foo
> now
>   /usr/home => /hd1/home  and /hd1/foo is now /hd1/home/foo
> repartitioned the SSD and restored the system from a dump taken prior to
> repartitioning. removed all ports and reinstalled them

Although I have not really experienced much in the way of toruble with this, 
as my systems are not very 'busy', it can be better to boot from a LiveCD to 
do the dump because no files are open for writing and all your MySQL files 
will be static. No possibility of change during the dump. That being said, I 
have done dumps from live filesystems and have been able to restore them many 
times. Forewarned is forearmed.
 
> Unfortunately, mysqld won't start:
> 
> 120611 10:55:52 [Warning] Can't create test file
> /var/db/mysql/breakaway.lower-test 120611 10:55:52 [Warning] Can't create
> test file /var/db/mysql/breakaway.lower-test mysqld: Table 'mysql.plugin'
> doesn't exist 120611 10:55:52 [ERROR] Can't open the mysql.plugin table.
> Please run mysql_upgrade to create it. 120611 10:55:52 InnoDB: The InnoDB
> memory heap is disabled 120611 10:55:52 InnoDB: Mutexes and rw_locks use
> GCC atomic builtins 120611 10:55:52 InnoDB: Compressed tables use zlib
> 1.2.5 120611 10:55:52 InnoDB: Initializing buffer pool, size = 128.0M
> 120611 10:55:52 InnoDB: Completed initialization of buffer pool
> 120611 10:55:52  InnoDB: Operating system error number 13 in a file
> operation. InnoDB: The error means mysqld does not have the access rights
> to InnoDB: the directory.
> InnoDB: File name ./ibdata1
> InnoDB: File operation call: 'create'.
> InnoDB: Cannot continue operation.

I have had trouble before when playing with these files outside of MySQL. 
What happens is if they get out of sync with the index they will become 
totally unusable. There are recovery procedures in the docs, but if memory 
serves it was just easier to delete the ib_logfile(x) and allow MySQL to 
recreate from scratch. Probably not central to your problem, per se, just 
thought I'd make mention in passing. I would recommend consulting the docs 
on this subject of index/logfile recovery prior to any blindly mucking about.
 
> Running mysqld --verbose shows:
> 
>   basedir /usr/local
>   general-log-file/var/db/mysql/breakaway.log

Usually this file is of the form .err
 
> ls -aol /usr/local/libexec/mysqld
> -rwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  - 9558944 Jun 11 10:40

mine shows:

testbed# ls -aol /usr/local/libexec/mysqld
-r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  - 6694672 May 10 11:16 /usr/local/libexec/mysqld

> /usr/local/libexec/mysqld ls -dl /var/db/mysql
> drwxr-xr-x  2 mysql  mysql  512 Jun 11 10:31 /var/db/mysql

and my /var/db shows the below for the mysql directory:

drwxr-xr-x   21 mysql mysql3072 Jun  4 12:09 mysql
 
> cd /
> find . -ls | grep my.cnf
> 
> shows nothing.
> 
> This looks like some kind of access / setuid problem, but I'm not sure
> what. Suggestions?

Beginning with the mysql_enable="YES" I have found when using rc startup 
scripts you need the entire path: /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql-server 

Moving on to permissions. Don't recall specifically, but if memory serves 
during the port install/reinstall there is a choice displayed to keep/use a 
previous mysql:mysql user and group combo. Perhaps an incorrect choice 
allows for deleting this - never known as I have always chosen to not delete 
but to reuse the old accounts. 

Nevertheless, in /etc/group there should be an entry like this:

mysql:*:88:

And the user account as shown by vipw will look like this:

mysql:*:88:88::0:0:MySQL Daemon:/nonexistent:/sbin/nologin

These should both be handled 'automagically' by the ports build system. You 
can cd to /var/db and do a chown -R mysql:mysql mysql if you want to ensure 
file ownership is correct, provided the above referenced entries are in 
place.

The ports these days will place the my.cnf file in /usr/local/etc instead of 
the old location of /var/db/mysql. I believe it is still supposed to fall 
back to /var/db/mysql if not found. One thing I found out when I was having 
a problem was that MySQL will not source this file if permissions on it are 
world read/write. Not exactly sure what it's supposed to be (I'm sure this 
can be found in the docs) but I've just chmod'd it 444 when I'm done with 
edits.

I do not grasp why any movement of your home directories mentioned at the 
top would matter to MySQL. I suspect something more to do with the "removed 
all ports and reinstalled them" part. The mysql.plugin tells you to run an 
update script to update schema. There is more info on this in the docs. 
Don't believe that is the main problem. I suspect either you have InnoDB 
configs not being read in my.cnf or that InnoDB logfiles or index got 
corrupted by the backup process. If you have MyIsam tables and you comment 
out in my.cnf the ac

Re: speed of "dump"

[Robert Huff]

Warren Block writes:

>  >Another thread, which I seem to have lost, was talking about
>  > dump and sizing its cache.
>  >Per my promise, appended is the log of this morning's level 0 dump,
>  > using C=32.  THe system is -CURRENT from March, using AMD Phemon II
>  > x4/3ghz and SATA 3gbit drives (one internal, one external.).
>  >
>  >  DUMP: finished in 1746 seconds, throughput 19568 KBytes/sec
>  
>  Are you using -b64 ?  That can make a serious throughput improvement 
>  over smaller values.

No.  I'll give it a try.
Thanks,


Robert Huff

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Re: speed of "dump"

[Robert Huff]

Adam Vande More writes:

>  >  DUMP: finished in 1746 seconds, throughput 19568 KBytes/sec
>  
>  Looks like one of your disks must be USB.

Source disk: SATA, I believe 3mbit
Target disk: e-SATA, which may be limited to 1.5 mbit/sec.


Robert Huff

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Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

[Chad Perrin]

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 02:46:49PM -0400, Jerry wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 11:44:11 -0600 Chad Perrin articulated:
> >On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 12:59:46PM -0400, Jerry wrote:
> >> 
> >> Your paranoia is kicking in again isn't it Chad. Anyway, to address
> >> your sports analogy, if I walk into a NY City bar and enter into a
> >> discussion regarding the pros and cons of the Jets VS Giants, which
> >> in itself is ridiculous since neither is actually located in NY, and
> >> blatantly scream out that the (Jets of Giants -- you pick) are a
> >> bunch of mother-fucking, wife beating pedophiles, I think you would
> >> agree, unless you happen to belong to that group, that I have gone
> >> way over the top in my team assessment. There is a major difference
> >> between criticizing and defamation. Perhaps someday you will learn
> >> the difference. For the record, I have never heard of anyone using
> >> the term "mafia" while referring to the FOSS. Then again, the
> >> "Mafia" is a highly organized operation. I might also add that many
> >> people of Italian descent consider the term "mafia" offensive.
> >
> >I'm going to actually ignore your completely irrelevant and hilariously
> >unfounded attempt at psychiatric diagnosis beyond this sentence, and
> >get to the point:
> >
> >Ignoring for the moment http://linuxmafia.com it is true that I have
> >generally not heard of open source software or its community referred
> >to as "mafia", but I have heard of such things referred to as being
> >socialist, fascist, or otherwise pejoratively accused of inapplicable
> >political, criminal, or generally objectionable (in at least someone's
> >eyes) character.  Three guesses who comes first to mind as having made
> >such statements, and the first two guesses don't count.
> 
> I love the way you make a statement, then add a qualifier to the
> statement making it virtually impossible to attack as well as giving
> yourself a way out. I'll explain further in my reply near the end of
> this post.

This is interesting coming from someone whose immediately preceding
comment was an Internet diagnosis of paranoia coupled with a hypocritical
accusation of inappropriate phrasing directed at a third party.


> 
> >> >I, for one, generally try to avoid saying nonfactually disparaging
> >> >things about Microsoft or (especially) users of software peddled by
> >> >Microsoft in venues like this mailing list, in part because it's a
> >> >bit unsportsmanlike, and in part because it doesn't really
> >> >contribute anything positive.  It's kind of mind-boggling that
> >> >people like you make no evident effort to avoid saying disparaging
> >> >things about FreeBSD and its users in venues like this mailing
> >> >list, where it's trollish, does not contribute anything positive,
> >> >and directly offends large numbers of people subscribed to the list.
> >> 
> >> When was this election held Chad? I am referring to the one that
> >> appointed you list spokesperson. In any case, you make an interesting
> >> statement without offering any documentation. Are you a politician
> >> Chad? I was inquiring because you seem to like making sound bites
> >> sans substance.
> >
> >I referred to no election.  I am not list spokesperson, nor do I
> >pretend to be or act as one, any more than you are the spokesperson for
> >capitalism.  I'm simply pointing out that you are an insufferable,
> >trollish jackass, initially in a polite manner.  The fact you avoid
> >actually engaging my points, in favor of simply bleating about
> >transgressions I haven't even made, does a fairly good job of
> >supporting my statements.
> 
> As stated above in my latest response, it is difficult to counter a
> statement by you since you don't really state anything. You say, "I
> have heard of such things referred to as being socialist,
> fascist, ..." (truncated by me) etcetera. Well who the hell hasn't.
> News flash --  that isn't one. Then you add the "(in at least someone's
> eyes)" qualifier making it impossible to argue with. A good
> politician's trick by the way. Are you sure you are not into politics?
> If it were not for your paranoia, you could probably be a good one. You
> say nothing and speak volumes. Seriously, look over your postings for
> the past year. Your "transgressions I haven't even made" and similar
> statements are reproduced in an alarming number of them.

The obvious implication here is that you are one of those people who
makes comments insinuating (or outright claiming) socialist or fascist
ethics dominating open source communities.  I make no bones about the
fact I made implicative reference to you in that statement, so you don't
need to play dumb and pretend you don't know I was pointing out your own
hypocrisies.

The "at least in someone's eyes" parenthetical remark was in reference to
the presumably pejorative character of some remarks people like you often
make.  Nice job pretending I meant something else with that parenthetical
remark, though.  You

Re: mysqld startup issue

[Robert Bonomi]

Gary Aitken wrote:
> To: FreeBSD Mailing List 
> Subject: mysqld startup issue
>
> I've done the following after having a running system with a running mysql on 
> it:
>
> moved user accounts, although no logical move:
>   /usr/home/foo was => /hd1/foo
> now
>   /usr/home => /hd1/home  and /hd1/foo is now /hd1/home/foo
> repartitioned the SSD and restored the system from a dump taken prior to 
> repartitioning.
> removed all ports and reinstalled them
>
> Unfortunately, mysqld won't start:
>
[ sneck ]

> 120611 10:55:52 [ERROR] Can't open the mysql.plugin table. Please run 
> mysql_upgrade to create it.

[ sneck ]
>
> This looks like some kind of access / setuid problem, but I'm not sure what.
> Suggestions?

Have you tried doing what the error message _tells_ you to do ?

If so, what happened?  

If not, why not?


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Booting from ZFS with serial console

[Brian McCann]

Hi all.  I am in desperate need of some help with ZFS (maybe GPT) and
serial consoles.  I use 19200 for my console speed for everything, so I
recompiled the boot blocks using "BOOT_COMCONSOLE_SPEED="19200" " in
/etc/make.conf.  I then ran this to install new blocks to my two drives in
the mirror pair:

gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ad4
gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ad6

If the keyboard is plugged in when the machine starts up, all is good.
 With the keyboard unplugged, I get a small error "dump" followed by "BTX
Halted".

I tried this with the files from the install DVD, and the same thing
happens..."BTX Halted" without a keyboard plugged in.

In both cases, /boot.config has : "-P -S19200".  I tried changing it to
"-Dh -S19200", and I get the "BTX Halted" on every boot now.

Can someone please shed some light on why it's crashing like this?  I'm
fairly confident this behavior is a bug and not "by design"...but I can't
believe that this bug would not be noticed up until now.

Thanks!
--Brian

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Re: xfce 4.10 update problems

[jb]

Warren Block  wonkity.com> writes:

> ... 
> > I have 2 mouses: Lenovo Thinkpad stick and external usb mouse.
> 
> devd runs moused when USB mice are attached, even if moused_enable="NO" 
> is set in rc.conf.
> 
> That's not a bad thing.  It seems like enabling moused is needed 
> somehow, maybe just to get a handle on the mice before HAL starts.

Oops, I must have goofed multiple times.
Disabling moused in rc.conf did just that for the default (built-in) mouse.
$ ps auxww|grep -i mouse
root1938   1.0  0.1  12340   2628  ??  S10:31PM 0:00.92
hald-addon-mouse-sysmouse: /dev/psm0 (hald-addon-mouse-sy)
root1287   0.0  0.1   9716   1148  ??  Ss   10:31PM 0:00.12
/usr/sbin/moused -p /dev/ums0 -t auto -I /var/run/moused.ums0.pid
root1958   0.0  0.1  12340   2516  ??  I10:31PM 0:00.01
hald-addon-mouse-sysmouse: /dev/ums0 (hald-addon-mouse-sy)
jb  2110   0.0  0.0   1928708   1  R+   10:34PM 0:00.02 grep -i 
mouse

No problem here.
Thanks guys.
jb


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Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

[Jerry]

On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 13:44:36 -0600
Chad Perrin articulated:

>> As stated above in my latest response, it is difficult to counter a
>> statement by you since you don't really state anything. You say, "I
>> have heard of such things referred to as being socialist,
>> fascist, ..." (truncated by me) etcetera. Well who the hell hasn't.
>> News flash --  that isn't one. Then you add the "(in at least
>> someone's eyes)" qualifier making it impossible to argue with. A good
>> politician's trick by the way. Are you sure you are not into
>> politics? If it were not for your paranoia, you could probably be a
>> good one. You say nothing and speak volumes. Seriously, look over
>> your postings for the past year. Your "transgressions I haven't even
>> made" and similar statements are reproduced in an alarming number of
>> them.
>
>The obvious implication here is that you are one of those people who
>makes comments insinuating (or outright claiming) socialist or fascist
>ethics dominating open source communities.  I make no bones about the
>fact I made implicative reference to you in that statement, so you
>don't need to play dumb and pretend you don't know I was pointing out
>your own hypocrisies.
>
>The "at least in someone's eyes" parenthetical remark was in reference
>to the presumably pejorative character of some remarks people like you
>often make.  Nice job pretending I meant something else with that
>parenthetical remark, though.  Your tendency to (intentionally, I
>think) misrepresent the context of my statements when you fail to find
>a concrete argument to present proves you're a real class act.  What
>"class" that is, I leave as an inference for the reader.

Your paranoia is working overtime now.

>I'm not sure what you're talking about with regard to the
>transgressions I haven't made.  I did not refer to anyone as "mafia"
>in this list, to my recollection, and I would be quite interested in
>seeing verifiable quotes of me saying such a thing.  I similarly do
>not recall expressing a pathological fear of persecution here.  I
>pointed out that one person (not you) failed to say something
>worthwhile in an earlier email, and that another person (you) have
>unreasonable expectations if you really think that you have given
>nobody any reason to call you a troll or refer to what you do as
>flamebaiting when you show up in a FreeBSD community mailing list and
>accuse open source software users and advocates of pejoratively
>socialist, fascist, and otherwise reprehensible behavior in your eyes
>just because they prefer something other than MS Windows, often
>lumping an entire community in with a single noisy individual.

Oh, poor Chad. His feelings are hurt.

Chad, for some reason that totally escapes me at the moment, you feel
as if you are important enough for me to really care what you think.
News flash -- you aren't. I think of you as nothing more than an
incorrigible bore with an inflated ego. Your attempts to portray
yourself as an cognoscente while your persecution complex has pervaded
numerous posts you have responded to has become laughable. Perhaps you
are experiencing hypnagogic hallucinations. You really should consult
an expert in the field although I fear that you would be recalcitrant to
the idea.

It must be sad going through life feeling that everyone is casting
aspersions and heaping maledictions upon you. It is really sad.

Personally, I would much rather have a discussion with Poly. I respect
him, although I don't often agree with him. At least he discusses facts
and doesn't spend his time trying to defend himself against non existent
attacks.

If you want to reply back with actual facts pertinent to the subject of
this post, fine. Otherwise you are only wasting your time since I will
not play your sad "woe is me" game.


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Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

[Mark Felder]

Jerry, Chad: please unsubscribe me from your mailing list. Thanks!!
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text format

[i pwn]

hi, sometime ago i asked a question about how to format a text, some  
people told me to use groff, but i would like to know how was file http://ipwn.altervista.org/files/Stoll,%20Clifford%20-%20The%20Cuckoo%27s%20Egg.txt 
 fomatted.

thanks in advance.
---
JID:ipwn#cih.ms
HP:ipwn.altervista.org





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any way to grab just One port to upgrade?

[Gary Kline]

it is easy to cvs or cvsup ports and get a whole slew of ports in
/usr/ports/distfiles, but too often, using portmaster [or another
tool], I'll have only one of two ports that fail because they are
either 1) broken, or 2) out of date.  is there any way I can grab
just the ones that fail to compile?  I'm down to fewer than 50
ports.
and wedged.

tia,

gary


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[solved] Re: mysqld startup issue

[Gary Aitken]

Ugh.  Operator error.

I assumed from the docs there had to be a my.cnf file someplace,
if only to serve as the system default;
and that the my.cnf file was directing everything else.
It turns out there doesn't have to be one anywhere.
My thought process was hijacked by the errors produced 
from the missing --datadir option

starting using:

  mysqld --datadir= 

was all that was required,
although clearly a my.cnf or ~/.my.cnf would make things easier.

> 120611 10:55:52 [Warning] Can't create test file 
> /var/db/mysql/breakaway.lower-test
> mysqld: Table 'mysql.plugin' doesn't exist
> 120611 10:55:52 [ERROR] Can't open the mysql.plugin table. Please run 
> mysql_upgrade to create it.
> 120611 10:55:52 InnoDB: The InnoDB memory heap is disabled
> 120611 10:55:52 InnoDB: Mutexes and rw_locks use GCC atomic builtins
> 120611 10:55:52 InnoDB: Compressed tables use zlib 1.2.5
> 120611 10:55:52 InnoDB: Initializing buffer pool, size = 128.0M
> 120611 10:55:52 InnoDB: Completed initialization of buffer pool
> 120611 10:55:52  InnoDB: Operating system error number 13 in a file operation.
> InnoDB: The error means mysqld does not have the access rights to
> InnoDB: the directory.
> InnoDB: File name ./ibdata1
> InnoDB: File operation call: 'create'.
> InnoDB: Cannot continue operation.
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Re: mysqld startup issue

[Gary Aitken]

On 06/11/12 13:48, Robert Bonomi wrote:

>> Unfortunately, mysqld won't start:
>>
> [ sneck ]
> 
>> 120611 10:55:52 [ERROR] Can't open the mysql.plugin table. Please run 
>> mysql_upgrade to create it.

> Have you tried doing what the error message _tells_ you to do ?

nope, and yup
nope, because the docs clearly state that the server needs to be running.
yup, because I did it anyway just to see what it would do

> If so, what happened?

Unsurprisingly, it craps out saying it cannot connect to the server.

problem was missing --datadir option when starting server
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Re: any way to grab just One port to upgrade?

[Robert Simmons]

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Gary Kline  wrote:
> it is easy to cvs or cvsup ports and get a whole slew of ports in
> /usr/ports/distfiles, but too often, using portmaster [or another
> tool], I'll have only one of two ports that fail because they are
> either 1) broken, or 2) out of date.  is there any way I can grab
> just the ones that fail to compile?  I'm down to fewer than 50
> ports.
> and wedged.

You don't want to have /usr/ports out of sync.  You want to let
cvsup/portsnap do it's thing.  It's ideal to have the whole ports
collection up-to-date.  You may want to start with a clean slate and
cvsup/portsnap a fresh copy of the ports collection if you think that
something is amiss.  You can make a backup of /usr/ports for peace of
mind too.

Also, can you please supply exactly what ports you're talking about
and what commands you are running to upgrade?  Error output for the
ports you say are broken would be another good thing to supply.
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Re: how to allow by MAC

[Randal L. Schwartz]

> "Bill" == Bill Yuan  writes:
Bill> I want to create a white list MAC address,  Only the machine which it's 
MAC
Bill> in the white list will be allowed,  all others will be blocked.

Bad idea.  Since (a) every MAC address that *is* allowed is transmitted
in the clear and (b) it's trivial to spoof a MAC address.

This. is. no. security.

Please stop even trying.

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Re: Chromium 19 core dumps on launch...

[George Liaskos]

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:04 AM, Keith Seyffarth  wrote:
>
> Friday I installed Chromium again because it would be nice to have a
> browser to test in other than Firefox and Opera. It was installed using
> portinstall -R chromium, which *appeared* to function properly.
>
> However, trying to run chrome results in:
> pid 50993 (chrome), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 (core dumped)
>
> >From what I found online, it looked like I may have been encountering an
> issue with devel/google-perftools, but on reinstall was able to confirm
> that this is building with gcc not clang.
>
> I have also removed my ~/.config/chromium directory with no change in
> behavior.
>
>
>
> Not sure if it's relevant, but the last version of Chromium that was
> *functional* for me was 12. Versions 13-16 didn't support loading web
> pages (the browser would launch, but if I entered a URL in the address
> bar, I could leave the browser running overnight and it still wouldn't
> have started loading a page). Then when 17 and 18 wouldn't even compile
> (marked ignore), I just removed package.

Please try 19.0.1084.56_1, devel/google-perftools is not a dependency
of chromium anymore.


Regards,
George
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Re: text format

[Alejandro Imass]

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 5:57 PM, i pwn  wrote:
> hi, sometime ago i asked a question about how to format a text, some people
> told me to use groff, but i would like to know how was file
> http://ipwn.altervista.org/files/Stoll,%20Clifford%20-%20The%20Cuckoo%27s%20Egg.txt
> fomatted.
> thanks in advance.

Most probably nroff / groff

Take a look at the info from the authoring tools at rfceditor:

http://www.rfc-editor.org/formatting.html
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Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

[Chad Perrin]

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 04:53:11PM -0400, Jerry wrote:
>
> . . .

You obviously aren't serious.  I can't believe I let you string me along
with this fantasy for so long.

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Re: text format

[Robert Bonomi]

"i pwn"  wrote:
>
> hi, sometime ago i asked a question about how to format a text, some  
> people told me to use groff, but i would like to know how was file 
> http://ipwn.altervista.org/files/Stoll,%20Clifford%20-%20The%20Cuckoo%27s%20Egg.txt
>  
>   fomatted.
> thanks in advance.

>From the output alone, one -cannot- tell for certain.  That document could
have been produced by any number of programs -- including, but not limited
to 'electric pencil', 'pc-write', 'volkswriter', 'xywrite', 'wordstar',
'wordperfect', 'excel', and any form of 'runoff' or its descendants (including
but limited to: 'rnf','troff', 'ditroff', 'nroff', 'groff' and others) or
even a 'TeX' variant, such as 'LaTeX'.

'Considering the source', ditroff (or a varient) is likely.  Probably using
the 'me' macro set.  There are output quirks that make it unlikely that the
'ms' macroes were used.)


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Re: any way to grab just One port to upgrade?

[Gary Kline]

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 06:14:52PM -0400, Robert Simmons wrote:
> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 18:14:52 -0400
> From: Robert Simmons 
> Subject: Re: any way to grab just One port to upgrade?
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> 
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Gary Kline  wrote:
> > it is easy to cvs or cvsup ports and get a whole slew of ports in
> > /usr/ports/distfiles, but too often, using portmaster [or another
> > tool], I'll have only one of two ports that fail because they are
> > either 1) broken, or 2) out of date.  is there any way I can grab
> > just the ones that fail to compile?  I'm down to fewer than 50
> > ports.
> > and wedged.
> 
> You don't want to have /usr/ports out of sync.  You want to let
> cvsup/portsnap do it's thing.  It's ideal to have the whole ports
> collection up-to-date.  You may want to start with a clean slate and
> cvsup/portsnap a fresh copy of the ports collection if you think that
> something is amiss.  You can make a backup of /usr/ports for peace of
> mind too.
> 
> Also, can you please supply exactly what ports you're talking about
> and what commands you are running to upgrade?  Error output for the
> ports you say are broken would be another good thing to supply.

something in x11-toolkits/gtk20 blew up.  S.
lolngstoryshrt, I rebuilt from scratch [[ from the very
beginning ]] around 2 hours ago.  it Just died.  here are
the last 20 lines::


gmake[2]: Leaving directory
`/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20/work/gtk+-2.24.6/modules'
Making all in demos
gmake[2]: Entering directory
`/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20/work/gtk+-2.24.6/demos'
/usr/local/bin/gdk-pixbuf-csource --raw --build-list\
apple_red  ./apple-red.png  \
gnome_foot ./gnome-foot.png \
> test-inline-pixbufs.h \
|| (rm -f test-inline-pixbufs.h && false)
failed to load "./apple-red.png": Couldn't recognize the image file
format for file './apple-red.png'
gmake[2]: *** [test-inline-pixbufs.h] Error 1
gmake[2]: Leaving directory
`/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20/work/gtk+-2.24.6/demos'
gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
gmake[1]: Leaving directory
`/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20/work/gtk+-2.24.6'
gmake: *** [all] Error 2
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20.
root@ethic:/tmp# 

unless this port is known to be broken, I'll cvsup the ports
tree.


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Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

[Modulok]

This thread has united the open source community into doing something useful
and constructive. Thanks guys. You really showed 'em.

-Modulok-
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Re: text format

[pwnedomina]

On 11-06-2012 23:40, Alejandro Imass wrote:

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 5:57 PM, i pwn  wrote:

hi, sometime ago i asked a question about how to format a text, some people
told me to use groff, but i would like to know how was file
http://ipwn.altervista.org/files/Stoll,%20Clifford%20-%20The%20Cuckoo%27s%20Egg.txt
fomatted.
thanks in advance.

Most probably nroff / groff

Take a look at the info from the authoring tools at rfceditor:

http://www.rfc-editor.org/formatting.html


*formatted.
i've downloaded NroffEdit but when i open the ASCII text i want to 
convert/format, it says "Not a valid nroff I-D"

what should i do?
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Newbie question: Why aren't my cron jobs running?

[Walter Hurry]

As the subject says, this is probably a newbie question (I am new to 
FreeBSD but quite experienced at Linux).

FreeBSD9 on x86_64.

Cron is running:

$ ps -ax|grep cron

 1513  ??  Is 0:00.01 /usr/sbin/cron -s

 2283   0  S+ 0:00.00 grep cron

$

I have a syntactically valid crontab:

$ crontab -l
#min hr dom month dow command

SHELL=/bin/bash

PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/home/
daddy/bin

HOME=/home/walterh

 00  02 *   * *   /home/walterh/exports.sh

 05  02 *   * *   /home/walterh/backup_etc.sh

 10  02 *   * *   /home/walterh/systemcheck.sh

 15  02 *   * *   /home/walterh/backup_bsd.sh

$ 

So what is wrong? Why is nothing happening? I have consulted the handbook 
but see nothing.

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Re: Newbie question: Why aren't my cron jobs running?

[Michael Sierchio]

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Walter Hurry  wrote:
> As the subject says, this is probably a newbie question (I am new to

> FreeBSD but quite experienced at Linux).
>
> FreeBSD9 on x86_64.
>
> Cron is running:
>
> $ ps -ax|grep cron
>
>  1513  ??  Is     0:00.01 /usr/sbin/cron -s
>
>  2283   0  S+     0:00.00 grep cron
>
> $
>
> I have a syntactically valid crontab:
>
> $ crontab -l
> #min hr dom month dow command
>
> SHELL=/bin/bash
>
> PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/home/
> daddy/bin
>
> HOME=/home/walterh
>
>  00  02 *   *     *   /home/walterh/exports.sh
>
>  05  02 *   *     *   /home/walterh/backup_etc.sh
>
>  10  02 *   *     *   /home/walterh/systemcheck.sh
>
>  15  02 *   *     *   /home/walterh/backup_bsd.sh
>
> $
>
> So what is wrong? Why is nothing happening? I have consulted the handbook
> but see nothing.

Have you installed bash?  It's not in the system base.

What's in your shell scripts?

- M
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Re: Newbie question: Why aren't my cron jobs running?

[Adam Vande More]

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Walter Hurry  wrote:

>
> #min hr dom month dow command
>
> SHELL=/bin/bash
>
> PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/home/
> daddy/bin
>
> HOME=/home/walterh
>
>  00  02 *   * *   /home/walterh/exports.sh
>
>  05  02 *   * *   /home/walterh/backup_etc.sh
>
>  10  02 *   * *   /home/walterh/systemcheck.sh
>
>  15  02 *   * *   /home/walterh/backup_bsd.sh
>
> $
>
> So what is wrong? Why is nothing happening? I have consulted the handbook
> but see nothing.
>

You really have bash in /bin ?  Are your scripts executable?  What does
/var/log/cron say?

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Re: Newbie question: Why aren't my cron jobs running?

[Walter Hurry]

On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 19:10:21 -0700, Michael Sierchio wrote:

> Have you installed bash?  It's not in the system base.
> 
> What's in your shell scripts?

Thanks for the quick response.

$ pkg_info|grep bash

bash-4.2.28 The GNU Project's Bourne Again SHell

$ which bash

/bin/bash

$ 

$ less $HOME/bin/exports.sh

#!/bin/bash

LOG=$HOME/log/exports.log

logger -t walterh-cronjob Exports started

echo Exports started at `date` > $LOG

rm $HOME/postgresql/*

psql packages -f $HOME/sql/exports.sql

cd $HOME/postgresql

tar cfz postgresql.tgz *

rm *csv

echo Exports finished at `date` >> $LOG

logger -t walterh-cronjob Exports finished

/home/walterh/bin/exports.sh (END)

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Re: Newbie question: Why aren't my cron jobs running?

[Michael Sierchio]

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Walter Hurry  wrote:

cat /etc/shells
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Re: Newbie question: Why aren't my cron jobs running?

[Walter Hurry]

On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 21:21:12 -0500, Adam Vande More wrote:

> You really have bash in /bin ?  Are your scripts executable?  What does
> /var/log/cron say?

$ file /bin/bash

/bin/bash: symbolic link to `/usr/local/bin/bash'

$ sudo tail -50 /var/log/cron (result snipped at 02:22:00 for brevity)

Jun 12 01:55:00 jupiter /usr/sbin/cron[1780]: (root) CMD (/usr/libexec/
atrun)

Jun 12 02:00:00 jupiter /usr/sbin/cron[1823]: (root) CMD (newsyslog)

Jun 12 02:00:00 jupiter /usr/sbin/cron[1825]: (operator) CMD (/usr/
libexec/save-entropy)

Jun 12 02:00:00 jupiter /usr/sbin/cron[1824]: (root) CMD (/usr/libexec/
atrun)

Jun 12 02:00:00 jupiter /usr/sbin/cron[1836]: (walterh) CMD (/home/
walterh/exports.sh)

Jun 12 02:01:00 jupiter /usr/sbin/cron[1849]: (root) CMD (adjkerntz -a)

Jun 12 02:05:00 jupiter /usr/sbin/cron[1874]: (root) CMD (/usr/libexec/
atrun)

Jun 12 02:05:00 jupiter /usr/sbin/cron[1875]: (walterh) CMD (/home/
walterh/backup_etc.sh)

Jun 12 02:10:00 jupiter /usr/sbin/cron[1912]: (root) CMD (/usr/libexec/
atrun)

Jun 12 02:10:00 jupiter /usr/sbin/cron[1913]: (walterh) CMD (/home/
walterh/systemcheck.sh)

Jun 12 02:11:00 jupiter /usr/sbin/cron[1924]: (operator) CMD (/usr/
libexec/save-entropy)

Jun 12 02:15:00 jupiter /usr/sbin/cron[1981]: (root) CMD (/usr/libexec/
atrun)

Jun 12 02:15:00 jupiter /usr/sbin/cron[1982]: (walterh) CMD (/home/
walterh/backup_bsd.sh)

Jun 12 02:20:00 jupiter /usr/sbin/cron[2013]: (root) CMD (/usr/libexec/
atrun)

Jun 12 02:22:00 jupiter /usr/sbin/cron[2025]: (operator) CMD (/usr/
libexec/save-entropy)

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Re: Newbie question: Why aren't my cron jobs running?

[Walter Hurry]

On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 19:36:28 -0700, Michael Sierchio wrote:

> cat /etc/shells

$ cat /etc/shells
# $FreeBSD: release/9.0.0/etc/shells 59717 2000-04-27 21:58:46Z ache $
#
# List of acceptable shells for chpass(1).
# Ftpd will not allow users to connect who are not using
# one of these shells.
/bin/sh
/bin/csh
/bin/tcsh
/usr/local/bin/bash
/usr/local/bin/rbash
$

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Re: Newbie question: Why aren't my cron jobs running?

[Chris]

On 6/11/2012 9:25 PM, Walter Hurry wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 19:10:21 -0700, Michael Sierchio wrote:
> 
>> Have you installed bash?  It's not in the system base.
>>
>> What's in your shell scripts?
> 
> Thanks for the quick response.
> 
> $ pkg_info|grep bash
> 
> bash-4.2.28 The GNU Project's Bourne Again SHell
> 
> $ which bash
> 
> /bin/bash
> 
> $ 
> 
> $ less $HOME/bin/exports.sh
> 
> #!/bin/bash
> 
> LOG=$HOME/log/exports.log
> 
> logger -t walterh-cronjob Exports started
> 
> echo Exports started at `date` > $LOG
> 
> rm $HOME/postgresql/*
> 
> psql packages -f $HOME/sql/exports.sql
> 
> cd $HOME/postgresql
> 
> tar cfz postgresql.tgz *
> 
> rm *csv
> 
> echo Exports finished at `date` >> $LOG
> 
> logger -t walterh-cronjob Exports finished
> 
> /home/walterh/bin/exports.sh (END)
> 
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I tend to use full path names in my shell scripts.
So for shits n giggles, try that.
Instead of tar cfz postgresql.tgz *
Try /bin/tar cfz postgresql.tgz *  etc, etc, etc

Use the paths for all commands such as rm, psql, logger etc.

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note

[Arlen McIntyre]

  I have a ASUS laptop that came with Windows 7. I finally
ended up with XP on one partition and Ubuntu on the other.
ASUS only supports the Windows 7 OS with this particular
architect. I want to keep XP on one partition and put FreeBSD
on the other partition ( I already have created). The problem is that
 the files I see for installation are ISO files for booting.
  I don't have audio in XP but it worked in Ubuntu. I was told by
an authorized ASUS dealer that I would not find any support from them
because of switching from the pre-installed Windows 7. I cannot update the
drivers in the BIOS
to tell my laptop to boot from DVD/CD. How can I get FreeBSD on
my other partition and have a dual OS system without the boot installation?

   I cannot afford to buy FreeBSD.

Thanks,

Derek
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Re: any way to grab just One port to upgrade?

[Polytropon]

On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 17:31:10 -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 06:14:52PM -0400, Robert Simmons wrote:
> > Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 18:14:52 -0400
> > From: Robert Simmons 
> > Subject: Re: any way to grab just One port to upgrade?
> > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> > 
> > On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Gary Kline  wrote:
> > > it is easy to cvs or cvsup ports and get a whole slew of ports in
> > > /usr/ports/distfiles, but too often, using portmaster [or another
> > > tool], I'll have only one of two ports that fail because they are
> > > either 1) broken, or 2) out of date.  is there any way I can grab
> > > just the ones that fail to compile?  I'm down to fewer than 50
> > > ports.
> > > and wedged.
> > 
> > You don't want to have /usr/ports out of sync.  You want to let
> > cvsup/portsnap do it's thing.  It's ideal to have the whole ports
> > collection up-to-date.  You may want to start with a clean slate and
> > cvsup/portsnap a fresh copy of the ports collection if you think that
> > something is amiss.  You can make a backup of /usr/ports for peace of
> > mind too.
> > 
> > Also, can you please supply exactly what ports you're talking about
> > and what commands you are running to upgrade?  Error output for the
> > ports you say are broken would be another good thing to supply.
> 
>   something in x11-toolkits/gtk20 blew up.  S.
>   lolngstoryshrt, I rebuilt from scratch [[ from the very
>   beginning ]] around 2 hours ago.  it Just died.  here are
>   the last 20 lines::
> 
> 
> gmake[2]: Leaving directory
> `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20/work/gtk+-2.24.6/modules'
> Making all in demos
> gmake[2]: Entering directory
> `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20/work/gtk+-2.24.6/demos'
> /usr/local/bin/gdk-pixbuf-csource --raw --build-list\
> apple_red  ./apple-red.png  \
> gnome_foot ./gnome-foot.png \
> > test-inline-pixbufs.h \
> || (rm -f test-inline-pixbufs.h && false)
> failed to load "./apple-red.png": Couldn't recognize the image file
> format for file './apple-red.png'
> gmake[2]: *** [test-inline-pixbufs.h] Error 1
> gmake[2]: Leaving directory
> `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20/work/gtk+-2.24.6/demos'
> gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> gmake[1]: Leaving directory
> `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20/work/gtk+-2.24.6'
> gmake: *** [all] Error 2
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20.
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20.
> root@ethic:/tmp# 
> 
>   unless this port is known to be broken, I'll cvsup the ports
>   tree.

If you're using csup instead of portsnap, you can get "faster"
updates of your ports tree (as portsnap transmits snapshots
which are less frequently taken).

In case you intendedly need to DOWNgrade a port (maybe because
the newer version doesn't work anymore, like the xzgv image
viewer), use the "portdowngrade" tool. As it as been mentioned,
having an out-of-sync ports tree is not recommended and can
lead to trouble.

So for example, if gtk20 fails, remove its cruft ("make clean"
for this port and maybe its dependencies; maybe also remove
the distfiles it downloaded), and update via CVS some hours
after the incident. It sometimes happens that the problems
magically resolve. :-)

It's recommended to restart port builds in a somewhat clean
environment, that's why it sometimes really helps to delete
files of a previous build.

Are you using a port management tool (e. g. portmaster) or do
you operate "on bare ports")?




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Re: note

[Michael Sierchio]

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Arlen McIntyre  wrote:

>   I cannot afford to buy FreeBSD.

Dada is not dead!
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Re: text format

[Polytropon]

On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 01:50:15 +, pwnedomina wrote:
> On 11-06-2012 23:40, Alejandro Imass wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 5:57 PM, i pwn  wrote:
> >> hi, sometime ago i asked a question about how to format a text, some people
> >> told me to use groff, but i would like to know how was file
> >> http://ipwn.altervista.org/files/Stoll,%20Clifford%20-%20The%20Cuckoo%27s%20Egg.txt
> >> fomatted.
> >> thanks in advance.
> > Most probably nroff / groff
> >
> > Take a look at the info from the authoring tools at rfceditor:
> >
> > http://www.rfc-editor.org/formatting.html
> >
> *formatted.
> i've downloaded NroffEdit but when i open the ASCII text i want to 
> convert/format, it says "Not a valid nroff I-D"
> what should i do?

Erm, you did open the output file (as pointed to), _not_ the
source file? You're trying to "edit text in a document you've
scanned". :-)

The output text can be edited with any text editor (vi, emacs,
joe, mcedit, whichever is your favourite), but it will be kept
in this format as it _has been_ generated that way (past tense).
In order to change formatting, you need the SOURCE file with
the macros. (Compare: HTML files rendered by browser: output
looks different than input; to change it, you need to edit
the HTML source.)

You can compare that to editing a man page: You need the page's
source (like found in /usr/src/share/examples/mdoc/example.1).
The text's SOURCE file would have looked similarly I assume.
THAT is the input format you need for the "NroffEdit" WYSIWYG
"text" editor.



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Re: note

[Polytropon]

On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 21:36:00 -0600, Arlen McIntyre wrote:
> How can I get FreeBSD on
> my other partition and have a dual OS system without the boot installation?

Qustion part one:

Prepare a USB stick with the FreeBSD "memstick edition".
You'll find instructions on how to do that on the FreeBSD
website, as well as the installation media.

Preparation: Make sure you have _free_ disk space. This
means: Do not create any DOS partitions, just leave it
"empty" and let the installer perform the required tasks
of partitioning and formatting.



Question part two:

Install the FreeBSD boot manager (which is one of the first
steps during the installation process). You can then select
at system startup which OS to boot into.



>I cannot afford to buy FreeBSD.

I'm sorry to hear that, but it won't be a problem. You won't go
to jail, don't be frightened. Just install it. It's free. :-)

No really: FreeBSD _is_ free to download and to use. You don't
need to buy it (even though you _may_ do so; refer to the FreeBSD
website for details).




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Re: any way to grab just One port to upgrade?

[Robert Simmons]

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 8:31 PM, Gary Kline  wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 06:14:52PM -0400, Robert Simmons wrote:
>> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 18:14:52 -0400
>> From: Robert Simmons 
>> Subject: Re: any way to grab just One port to upgrade?
>> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Gary Kline  wrote:
>> > it is easy to cvs or cvsup ports and get a whole slew of ports in
>> > /usr/ports/distfiles, but too often, using portmaster [or another
>> > tool], I'll have only one of two ports that fail because they are
>> > either 1) broken, or 2) out of date.  is there any way I can grab
>> > just the ones that fail to compile?  I'm down to fewer than 50
>> > ports.
>> > and wedged.
>>
>> You don't want to have /usr/ports out of sync.  You want to let
>> cvsup/portsnap do it's thing.  It's ideal to have the whole ports
>> collection up-to-date.  You may want to start with a clean slate and
>> cvsup/portsnap a fresh copy of the ports collection if you think that
>> something is amiss.  You can make a backup of /usr/ports for peace of
>> mind too.
>>
>> Also, can you please supply exactly what ports you're talking about
>> and what commands you are running to upgrade?  Error output for the
>> ports you say are broken would be another good thing to supply.
>
>        something in x11-toolkits/gtk20 blew up.  S.
>        lolngstoryshrt, I rebuilt from scratch [[ from the very
>        beginning ]] around 2 hours ago.  it Just died.  here are
>        the last 20 lines::
>
>
> gmake[2]: Leaving directory
> `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20/work/gtk+-2.24.6/modules'
> Making all in demos
> gmake[2]: Entering directory
> `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20/work/gtk+-2.24.6/demos'
> /usr/local/bin/gdk-pixbuf-csource --raw --build-list            \
>        apple_red  ./apple-red.png      \
>                gnome_foot ./gnome-foot.png     \
>        > test-inline-pixbufs.h                         \
> || (rm -f test-inline-pixbufs.h && false)
> failed to load "./apple-red.png": Couldn't recognize the image file
> format for file './apple-red.png'
> gmake[2]: *** [test-inline-pixbufs.h] Error 1
> gmake[2]: Leaving directory
> `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20/work/gtk+-2.24.6/demos'
> gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> gmake[1]: Leaving directory
> `/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20/work/gtk+-2.24.6'
> gmake: *** [all] Error 2
> *** Error code 1
>
> Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20.
> *** Error code 1
>
> Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20.
> root@ethic:/tmp#
>
>        unless this port is known to be broken, I'll cvsup the ports
>        tree.

That may not be necessary.  I'm building gtk20 on a freshly installed
virtual machine with a freshly portsnap'd ports tree.  I noticed the
following in the CVS logs:
CVS log for ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20/Makefile
Revision 1.256: download - view: text, markup, annotated - select for diffs
Fri Jun 1 05:25:47 2012 UTC (10 days, 22 hours ago) by dinoex
Branches: MAIN
CVS tags: HEAD
Diff to: previous 1.255: preferred, colored
Changes since revision 1.255: +1 -1 lines
- update png to 1.5.10

Since png just changed, and the error you encountered is "failed to
load "./apple-red.png": Couldn't recognize the image file", I think
you may have run into a bug.  I'll find out in the morning when the
build is done.
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Re: Newbie question: Why aren't my cron jobs running?

[Robert Bonomi]

Walter Hurry  wrote:
>
> As the subject says, this is probably a newbie question (I am new to 
> FreeBSD but quite experienced at Linux).
>
> FreeBSD9 on x86_64.
>
> Cron is running:
>
> $ ps -ax|grep cron
>
>  1513  ??  Is 0:00.01 /usr/sbin/cron -s
>
>  2283   0  S+ 0:00.00 grep cron
>
> $
>
> I have a syntactically valid crontab:

'Syntactically valid', yes, but I believe "it does not mean what you think
it does" applies.  more below.

> $ crontab -l
> #min hr dom month dow command
>
> SHELL=/bin/bash
>
> PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/home/
> daddy/bin
>
> HOME=/home/walterh
>
>  00  02 *   * *   /home/walterh/exports.sh
>
>  05  02 *   * *   /home/walterh/backup_etc.sh
>
>  10  02 *   * *   /home/walterh/systemcheck.sh
>
>  15  02 *   * *   /home/walterh/backup_bsd.sh
>
> $ 
>
> So what is wrong? Why is nothing happening? I have consulted the handbook 
> but see nothing.

It _appears_ that there is whitespace _before_ the purporte 'minutes' value 
on each line that you intend to invoke a command.  If so, -THAT- is probably
what is causinng the unexpected behavior.  I believe cron is looking for
the 'minutes' value _before_ any white space, and using a value of '0' when
it finds 'nothing' before the white-space Field-separator.  That, thus,
the all the commands run at 'zero minutes' past the various hours, on the
-second- day of the month, and that command-line that cron would -attempt-
to execute on the 2nd looks like, "*   /home/walterh/systemcheck.sh", which,
of course will have *wildly* unexpected results, epecially if the first
element of the '*' expansion _is_ marked as executable.

Remove the leading white-space and things should work the way you 'expect'.

Comment: using a leading zero on the numeric fields is a BAD IDEA(tm) -- you
are *strongly* encocuraged to remove them.  Yes, that means numbers will not
be column aligned, but it is a small price to pay to avoid the hair-tearing
that =will= ensue when using it bites you.


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Re: note

[Lars Eighner]

On Mon, 11 Jun 2012, Arlen McIntyre wrote:


 I have a ASUS laptop that came with Windows 7. I finally
ended up with XP on one partition and Ubuntu on the other.
ASUS only supports the Windows 7 OS with this particular
architect. I want to keep XP on one partition and put FreeBSD
on the other partition ( I already have created). The problem is that
the files I see for installation are ISO files for booting.
 I don't have audio in XP but it worked in Ubuntu. I was told by
an authorized ASUS dealer that I would not find any support from them
because of switching from the pre-installed Windows 7. I cannot update the
drivers in the BIOS
to tell my laptop to boot from DVD/CD.


Really?  What happens when you press F2 and keep it down during boot?


How can I get FreeBSD on
my other partition and have a dual OS system without the boot installation?

  I cannot afford to buy FreeBSD.


FreeBSD is not for sale.  It is free.  Some services will sell releases on
CD or DVD, generally at very affordable prices which are well worth it
compared to downloading by dial-up.  But what those services are selling is
the media and the service of copying FreeBSD to the media and getting the
media into your hands.  You can download and/or install FreeBSD for free.


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