OT: Installing 9.1 without re-partitioning hard drive

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 2013-03-17 at 15:37 -0700, leeoliveshackelf...@surewest.net wrote:
> Please Cc responses to the mailing list

I know that it's tolerated by the FreeBSD lists, but for most mailing
lists nowadays it's common to reply to the list only. Most MUA nowadays
provide an option to automatically reply to the list only. So IMO even
for this list the advice should at least be, "_if possible_ reply to the
list only", if you want receive a copy directly, than ask the OP "reply
to the list and (carbon copy) me, but don't address it to somebody
else".

2 Cents,
Ralf

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Re: how run snort in quiet and deamon mode

[s m]

great!! "snort -q &" runs snort in daemon and silent mode as i expected:)

thank you so much

On 3/17/13, Polytropon  wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 12:15:53 +0330, s m wrote:
>> hello guys
>>
>> i have a freebsd8.2 and wanna run snort on it. my snort version is
>> 2.9.3.1. i want to run snort in deamon mode and quietly. man page says
>> that "D" flag is for running snort in deamon mode and "q" flag is to
>> run it quietly(do not show startup message). my problem is, these two
>> flag can not work together. when i run "snort -q -D" or "snort -D -q",
>> snort run in deamon mode but some startup messages are shown. when i
>> run "snort -q" no message is shown.
>>
>> i know it is so simple issue but i do not know how to do that. any
>> hints or comments are appreciated.
>
> Maybe you can start the program as a (quite) background process?
>
>   snort -q &
>
> If you encounter issues related to "controlling terminal disconnect",
> you can use the system's "daemon" command to basically do what -D
> would do, or use the port "detach".
>
>   daemon snort -q
>
> See "man daemon" for options you might need to add.
>
>
>
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Re: Can an ISO file be mounted from /etc/fstab at boot?

[Ruben de Groot]

On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 04:04:23PM -0400, Lowell Gilbert typed:
> Oscar Hodgson  writes:
> 
> > I'm pretty sure the answer is "no, just write a local rc script to do
> > that", but thought I'd check.
> >
> > Can't see any hint of that capability in the handbook or fstab(5).
> >
> > Really just looking for a single point of management for file systems 
> 
> I don't see a way offhand. You need to do the mdconfig before you can
> mount, and I don't think that can be done inside of fstab. 
> 
> I think that adding such a capability to mount(8) as a program option
> would be a fairly minor hack.

If it was a standard (UFS) filesystem image (not ISO9600) it would be possible 
to mount from fstab with something like this:

/dev/md0 /data/mfs mfs rw,-PF/path/to/some.img,async 0 0

Ruben

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Re: OT: Installing 9.1 without re-partitioning hard drive

[Warren Block]

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013, Ralf Mardorf wrote:


On Sun, 2013-03-17 at 15:37 -0700, leeoliveshackelf...@surewest.net wrote:

Please Cc responses to the mailing list


Actually, I had written that in a reply.


I know that it's tolerated by the FreeBSD lists, but for most mailing
lists nowadays it's common to reply to the list only. Most MUA nowadays
provide an option to automatically reply to the list only. So IMO even
for this list the advice should at least be, "_if possible_ reply to the
list only", if you want receive a copy directly, than ask the OP "reply
to the list and (carbon copy) me, but don't address it to somebody
else".


Standard practice for this list is to Cc the responder and the list, 
because people are not required to subscribe to post.

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Re: OT: Installing 9.1 without re-partitioning hard drive

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 2013-03-18 at 09:00 -0600, Warren Block wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Mar 2013, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Standard practice for this list is to Cc the responder and the list, 
> because people are not required to subscribe to post.

That makes sense and does explain why my last mail came through the
list, while my broken MUA didn't use the address, I used to subscribe to
this list. So a smarter MUA should provide different reply settings for
replying to different lists. I should take a look at the mailman
settings, since at the moment I receive 2 mails in case of Cc'ing, IIRC
this can be disabled.

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Handbook Jail Chapter rewrite available for critique

[Fbsd8]

To all interested parties;

I have completed the final draft of the total rewrite of FreeBSD's 
handbook Chapter 16 on Jails.


Before submitting my work for submission to the documentation group for 
insertion in the handbook I am looking for critique of the work to find 
errors in concept, wrong use of words, or anything to make it better.


All feedback welcomed.

Use this URL to access it  http://www.jails.a1poweruser.com/


Thank You.

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Re: Handbook Jail Chapter rewrite available for critique

[Isaac (.ike) Levy]

Pretty heavy cross-posting here, could you perhaps reign this in to the 
freebsd-jail@ list, where it can be discussed in-context?  This will help keep 
the noise down.

On Mar 18, 2013, at 12:57 PM, Fbsd8 wrote:

> To all interested parties;
> 
> I have completed the final draft of the total rewrite of FreeBSD's handbook 
> Chapter 16 on Jails.
> 
> Before submitting my work for submission to the documentation group for 
> insertion in the handbook I am looking for critique of the work to find 
> errors in concept, wrong use of words, or anything to make it better.
> 
> All feedback welcomed.
> 
> Use this URL to access it  http://www.jails.a1poweruser.com/
> 
> 
> Thank You.

Wow, overall that's really quite cool.

- Do you have a rough timeframe for when you want feedback?  (I would like to 
give this the time it deserves).

--
Feedback right off the bat, (please tell me if I'm off track here):

- After a short skim- I do not believe the qjail utilities referenced are 
appropriate for the FreeBSD handbook.  There are many 3rd party approaches to 
handling/managing jails, some of them with quite long histories and loyal user 
bases- it is impractical and not appropriate to try to cover any/all of them 
here.

- The "Jail Cell" vocabulary is a serious departure- and may create some 
confusion- I'll read thoroughly to get your context right.  In what I 
understand to be the majority of uses, it's confusing to think of the hardware 
host as the 'jail' and the jailed instance as the 'cell'.

- The references and history cite some works, but do not cite the original (and 
possibly most important) document on jailing, 
http://docs.freebsd.org/44doc/papers/jail/jail.ps.gz

- There are a number of common lexical errors right off the bat, (There instead 
of Their), etc…

--
I look foreword to reading this on my subway commute this week-

Best,
.ike


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Re: Handbook Jail Chapter rewrite available for critique

[Robert Huff]

Isaac (.ike) Levy writes:

>  Pretty heavy cross-posting here, could you perhaps reign this in
>  to the freebsd-jail@ list, where it can be discussed in-context?
>  This will help keep the noise down.

It will also keep down the signal from people who use or are
interested in jails, but do not (and do not plan to) subscribe to
that list.

Respectfully,


Robert Huff

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Re: Problem with news/pan

[Lowell Gilbert]

Walter Hurry  writes:

> This port (pan-0.139_1) will again not compile on 9.1-RELEASE (amd64).

When did you last try it? 

It was last updated Saturday, and it builds fine for me.

If it's still failing, post the error messages.
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Re: Current Way To Update Sources & Rebuild World/Kernel?

[Patrick Lamaiziere]

Le Sun, 17 Mar 2013 15:07:35 -0700,
Drew Tomlinson  a écrit :

> I've been away for a while.  In the past, the proper way to update a 
> system was to grab current sources via cvsup and then rebuild world
> and kernel.  But now I see cvsup is no longer supported.  The
> handbook talks about freebsd-update.  I do not want binary upgrades
> but is this the tool to replace cvsup to update sources?  How do I
> use it to replace the old way that went something like this:
> 
> cvsup sources
> make buildworld
> make buildkernel
> make installkernel
> mergemaster
> make installworld

Instead cvsup you have to use svn to retrieve the sources :
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/svn.html

The good way is (and was) mergemaster -p before make installworld and
mergemaster after.

regards
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Re: Problem with news/pan

[Walter Hurry]

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:51:04 -0400, Lowell Gilbert wrote:

> Walter Hurry  writes:
> 
>> This port (pan-0.139_1) will again not compile on 9.1-RELEASE (amd64).
> 
> When did you last try it?
> 
> It was last updated Saturday, and it builds fine for me.
> 
> If it's still failing, post the error messages.

Weird. I last tried yesterday (Sunday). However, having re-enabled the 
GTKSPELL option (i.e. set it back to defaults), it compiles and builds 
fine. The port (I always use portsnap before updating) has *not* been 
updated between then and now.

However, it's too difficult to pin down the issue at this point. Sorry 
for the noise.


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Re: Handbook Jail Chapter rewrite available for critique

[Andreas Nilsson]

On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Robert Huff  wrote:

>
> Isaac (.ike) Levy writes:
>
> >  Pretty heavy cross-posting here, could you perhaps reign this in
> >  to the freebsd-jail@ list, where it can be discussed in-context?
> >  This will help keep the noise down.
>
> It will also keep down the signal from people who use or are
> interested in jails, but do not (and do not plan to) subscribe to
> that list.
>
Respectfully,
>
>
> Robert Huff
>
>
Great! There really was a need to modernize the handbook with regards to
jails. Since I'm not a native English speaker I'll leave grammar and
spelling for those who are ;)

My first impressions are along the lines:
To much scripts, to few examples/scenarios. Our users are smart, show them
what can be accomplished with "high-level" config, leave minutiae to some
part of the appendix.

Also the exclusion of zfs and vnet is surprising, as those really make
jails shine, imo ( although jails really need to be thought about the
"gray" area visa-vi networking in rc-scripts that vnet provides ). How
about the resource control, which further makes jails really spiffy.

I would have preferred top-level separation of the different methods, ie
after the introduction there was one "track" manual, one for old-school
rc-, one for new-school rc- and one for jail.conf-style jails.


More specifically I agree with Isaac Levy's, especially in regards to the
"jail cell" terminology:

"16.1 Synopsis": the term jail cell is used, long before being defined.

"16.2 Introduction": Mentioning jail cells in a historic contest is imho a
"blatant" lie ( they were never known as such ). As far as I know, no
official documentation has called them cells, either. That does not mean
that it's not an appropriate term, though. As a contrast there is Solaris
vocabulary of zones ( "cells" ) and global zone ( "jail system" ). In this
regard I prefer the solaris one.
Most importantly, a large chunk of 16.2 would imo fit much better as a
"history"-appendix. Current and new users don't need to know and consider
the limitations of earlier implementations. The "generations" talked about
could perhaps be quantified with a release version :)

There are, as stated by Isaac Levy, many (good) utils for managing jails.
Why the focus on qjail? I also think that most of the strong points of
jails are rendered moot without, in order, zfs and vimage. Linux jails
might also interest quite a few people.

Best regards
Andreas
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Re: OT: Installing 9.1 without re-partitioning hard drive

[Jerry McAllister]

On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 09:15:43AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> On Sun, 2013-03-17 at 15:37 -0700, leeoliveshackelf...@surewest.net wrote:
> > Please Cc responses to the mailing list
> 
> I know that it's tolerated by the FreeBSD lists, but for most mailing
> lists nowadays it's common to reply to the list only. Most MUA nowadays
> provide an option to automatically reply to the list only. 

As a matter of fact, on the FreeBSD Questions list it is recommended 
to send to both the poster and the list.   On this list it is not
required to be subscribed to post.  It is an open list.

jerry
  

>  So IMO even
> for this list the advice should at least be, "_if possible_ reply to the
> list only", if you want receive a copy directly, than ask the OP "reply
> to the list and (carbon copy) me, but don't address it to somebody
> else".
> 
> 2 Cents,
> Ralf
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Re: Current Way To Update Sources & Rebuild World/Kernel?

[Damien Fleuriot]

On Mar 17, 2013 11:07 PM, "Drew Tomlinson"  wrote:
>
> I've been away for a while.  In the past, the proper way to update a
system was to grab current sources via cvsup and then rebuild world and
kernel.  But now I see cvsup is no longer supported.  The handbook talks
about freebsd-update.  I do not want binary upgrades but is this the tool
to replace cvsup to update sources?  How do I use it to replace the old way
that went something like this:
>
> cvsup sources
> make buildworld
> make buildkernel
> make installkernel
> mergemaster
> make installworld
>
> (I'm not sure I have that in the exact proper order but it was something
like that).
>
> So is freebsd-update what I need?  Is there a page that describes the
steps to accomplish this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Drew
>

http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/stable.html

Buildworld
Buildkernel
Installkernel
Reboot
Mergemaster -p
Installworld
Mergemaster
Rebuild ports
Delete-old
Delete-old-libs
Delete-old-dirs

Less /usr/src/Makefile
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About freebsd

[Bujinkan Ninpo]

Hello I was thinking about buying a new laptop I was looking at the dell 
Inspiron 15  3521 and I was wanting to order a cd copy of freebsd 9.1 and I was 
wondering how it would work running a dual boot win8 w/ freebsd 9.1
Thank you for you time and have a good day
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Re: About freebsd

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 2013-03-18 at 21:44 -0400, Bujinkan Ninpo wrote:
> Hello I was thinking about buying a new laptop I was looking at the dell 
> Inspiron 15  3521 and I was wanting to order a cd copy of freebsd 9.1 and I 
> was wondering how it would work running a dual boot win8 w/ freebsd 9.1
> Thank you for you time and have a good day

I don't have knowledge about this, but there's a Wiki about UEFI that
might answer your question, didn't read it myself.

https://wiki.freebsd.org/UEFI

Hth,
Ralf

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