Re: ipfw confusion

2013-08-18 Thread Jason Cox
Are you sure that your DNS requests are over TCP? DNS primarily uses UDP to
serve requests. TCP is used when the response data size exceeds 512 bytes
(I think), or for tasks such as zone transfers. I know a few resolver
implementations use TCP for all queries, but most I have used not. You
might want to add rules to allow UDP as well.


On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Gary Aitken wrote:

> I'm having some weird ipfw behavior, or it seems weird to me, and am
> looking
> for an explaination and then a way out.
>
> ipfw list
> ...
> 21109 allow tcp from any to 12.32.44.142 dst-port 53 in via tun0 setup
> keep-state
> 21129 allow tcp from any to 12.32.36.65 dst-port 53 in via tun0 setup
> keep-state
> ...
> 65534 deny log logamount 5 ip from any to any
>
> tail -f messages
> Aug 18 23:33:06 nightmare named[914]: client 188.231.152.46#63877: error
> sending response: permission denied
>
> 12.32.36.65 is the addr of the internal interface (xl0) on the firewall
>   and is the public dns server.
> 12.32.44.142 is the addr of the external interface (tun0) which is bridged
> on a
> dsl line.
>
> It appears that a dns request was allowed in, but the response was not
> allowed
> back out.  It seems to me the above rules 21109 and 21129 should have
> allowed
> the request in and the response back out.
>
> It's possible a request could come in on 12.32.44.142,
> which is why 21109 is present;
> although I know I am getting failures to reply to refresh requests
> from a secondary addressed to 12.32.36.65
>
> What am I missing?
>
> Is there a problem if the incoming rule is for tun0,
> which gets passed to named
> since 12.32.44.142 is on the physical machine running named,
> but named pumps its response out on 12.32.36.65,
> relying on routing to get it to the right place,
> and that fails to match the state tracking mechanism
> which started with 12.32.44.142?
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ipfw confusion

2013-08-18 Thread Gary Aitken
I'm having some weird ipfw behavior, or it seems weird to me, and am looking
for an explaination and then a way out.

ipfw list
...
21109 allow tcp from any to 12.32.44.142 dst-port 53 in via tun0 setup 
keep-state
21129 allow tcp from any to 12.32.36.65 dst-port 53 in via tun0 setup keep-state
...
65534 deny log logamount 5 ip from any to any

tail -f messages
Aug 18 23:33:06 nightmare named[914]: client 188.231.152.46#63877: error 
sending response: permission denied

12.32.36.65 is the addr of the internal interface (xl0) on the firewall
  and is the public dns server.
12.32.44.142 is the addr of the external interface (tun0) which is bridged on a 
dsl line.

It appears that a dns request was allowed in, but the response was not allowed
back out.  It seems to me the above rules 21109 and 21129 should have allowed
the request in and the response back out.

It's possible a request could come in on 12.32.44.142, 
which is why 21109 is present;
although I know I am getting failures to reply to refresh requests 
from a secondary addressed to 12.32.36.65

What am I missing?

Is there a problem if the incoming rule is for tun0, 
which gets passed to named 
since 12.32.44.142 is on the physical machine running named,
but named pumps its response out on 12.32.36.65,
relying on routing to get it to the right place,
and that fails to match the state tracking mechanism 
which started with 12.32.44.142?
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Re: freebsd 9.2 via svn

2013-08-18 Thread Polytropon
On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 04:22:15 +0100, John wrote:
> > If you don't use a custom kernel, why not use freebsd-update
> > and follow the 9.2-RELEASE path with the security updates?
> 
> Not sure if this is logic or "religon", but freebsd-update makes me
> nervous. I'm allergic to automatic anything unless I've written it. The only
> times I've run generic is when installing a new system, to see what I
> need and what I don't. Maybe I'm just old.

You demonstrated a valid argument for building from source.
Using freebsd-update, a binary method is used for updating
the _default_ system and the GENERIC kernel. If you have
custom settings and therefore _intend_ to build from source,
changing the version in your "svn co" command to the new
-RELEASE-pX branch (security update branch) is safe.

I've been using a similar approach with CVS to follow the
-STABLE branch with a custom kernel and custom settings for
building the system. If this makes me old, I should deserve
several birthday parties per year. ;-)



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Re: freebsd 9.2 via svn

2013-08-18 Thread John
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 04:17:02AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:

> 9.2-RELEASE hasn't been released yet. :-)

well yes, there is that I suppose ;)

> If you don't use a custom kernel, why not use freebsd-update
> and follow the 9.2-RELEASE path with the security updates?

Not sure if this is logic or "religon", but freebsd-update makes me
nervous. I'm allergic to automatic anything unless I've written it. The only
times I've run generic is when installing a new system, to see what I
need and what I don't. Maybe I'm just old.

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Re: freebsd 9.2 via svn

2013-08-18 Thread Polytropon
On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 02:28:25 +0100, John wrote:
> Is it "safe" to start using 9.2 in the svn repos? I have a line like
> this in a daily crontab:
> 
> svn co svn://svn.us-east.freebsd.org/base/releng/9.1 /usr/src
> 
> Can I change that 9.1 to 9.2 now, or should I wait? I aim to follow
> 9.2-R with security updates.

9.2-RELEASE hasn't been released yet. :-)

http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.2R/schedule.html

If you don't use a custom kernel, why not use freebsd-update
and follow the 9.2-RELEASE path with the security updates?




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freebsd 9.2 via svn

2013-08-18 Thread John
Hello list,

Is it "safe" to start using 9.2 in the svn repos? I have a line like
this in a daily crontab:

svn co svn://svn.us-east.freebsd.org/base/releng/9.1 /usr/src

Can I change that 9.1 to 9.2 now, or should I wait? I aim to follow
9.2-R with security updates.

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RE: Pre-sales question

2013-08-18 Thread Thomas Mueller
I would like to know if your freebsd OS 9.1 suite on CD(DVD) can be installed, 
and then run, on a Dell Inspiron 531S? I looked-over your website, and did
+not see a citation for that specific PC (though I did see it for others).

> For your reference, my PC has a AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual core processor 
> 3800+ 2.01 GHz. The operating system on it right now (Vista) is 32-bit. The 
> PC can
> have up to 4GB of RAM. I have a 80GB Hard drive on it right now. I would like 
> to "hitch" it to the PC using a USB cable.

> If version 9.1 does run on that machine, then I may order a copy for myself.


> Glen Peterson
> Cedarburg, WI.
> peterso...@aol.com

You can go to ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD and download iso files for FreeBSD 
amd64 and i386.

You can download FreeBSD 9.1 or the newest release candidate for 9.2 (now RC2) 
and install from CD or DVD.

Is that 80GB hard drive currently in the PC? 


Tom

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RE: Pre-sales question

2013-08-18 Thread petersontr
Sir:

I would like to know if your freebsd OS 9.1 suite on CD(DVD) can be installed, 
and then run, on a Dell Inspiron 531S? I looked-over your website, and did not 
see a citation for that specific PC (though I did see it for others).

For your reference, my PC has a AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual core processor 3800+ 
2.01 GHz. The operating system on it right now (Vista) is 32-bit. The PC can 
have up to 4GB of RAM. I have a 80GB Hard drive on it right now. I would like 
to "hitch" it to the PC using a USB cable.

If version 9.1 does run on that machine, then I may order a copy for myself.


R.S.V.P.,


Glen Peterson
Cedarburg, WI.
peterso...@aol.com

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Re: undelete files in msdosfs

2013-08-18 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Sunday, August 18, 2013 a las 10:09:57PM +0200, CeDeROM escribió:

> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Matthias Apitz  wrote:
> > After a nice day in the fields, my wife deleted accidently the pictures
> > in her cam; the microSD mounts fine in FreeBSD as -t msdosfs; do we have
> > some FreeBSD 10-CUR tool to undelete the files, as there are some for M$?
> 
> /usr/ports/sysutils/testdisk
> 
> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk

Thanks! This did what I was looking for.

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Re: undelete files in msdosfs

2013-08-18 Thread Polytropon
On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:09:57 +0200, CeDeROM wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Matthias Apitz  wrote:
> > After a nice day in the fields, my wife deleted accidently the pictures
> > in her cam; the microSD mounts fine in FreeBSD as -t msdosfs; do we have
> > some FreeBSD 10-CUR tool to undelete the files, as there are some for M$?
> 
> /usr/ports/sysutils/testdisk
> 
> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk

That one is also on my "famous list", and if I remember correctly,
also part of the UBCD for "OS-less" use. :-)



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Re: undelete files in msdosfs

2013-08-18 Thread Polytropon
On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 15:01:37 -0500, iamatt wrote:
> Its called backups.   Not trying to be a dick but it's 2013. Not 1983.

But it doesn't help when Johnny Fatfingers presses the wrong
buttons on the camera _prior_ to archiving the photos. :-)



> Plenty of online backup/archive options. 

And local options, because you have to trust your online
backup provider (except it's _yourself_ who provides and
maintains the systems).



> As always. Test restores
> periodically.

A backup that cannot be restored is _not_ a backup. :-)




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Re: undelete files in msdosfs

2013-08-18 Thread CeDeROM
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Matthias Apitz  wrote:
> After a nice day in the fields, my wife deleted accidently the pictures
> in her cam; the microSD mounts fine in FreeBSD as -t msdosfs; do we have
> some FreeBSD 10-CUR tool to undelete the files, as there are some for M$?

/usr/ports/sysutils/testdisk

http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk

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Re: undelete files in msdosfs

2013-08-18 Thread iamatt
Its called backups.   Not trying to be a dick but it's 2013. Not 1983.
Plenty of online backup/archive options.  As always. Test restores
periodically.
On Aug 18, 2013 2:30 PM, "Matthias Apitz"  wrote:

> El día Sunday, August 18, 2013 a las 03:23:18PM -0400, Jerry escribió:
>
> > On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:00:39 +0200
> > Matthias Apitz articulated:
> >
> > > After a nice day in the fields, my wife deleted accidently the
> > > pictures in her cam; the microSD mounts fine in FreeBSD as -t
> > > msdosfs; do we have some FreeBSD 10-CUR tool to undelete the files,
> > > as there are some for M$?
> >
> > There are dozens of Microsoft based applications that are intended to
> > undelete a file, assuming you have not otherwise over written the file
> > or messed up the file system. I even saw one designed just for cameras.
> > Google is your friend.
>
> Thanks for your reply, but luckily we do not have any Microsoft infected
> computer at home (and we will no have).
>
> matthias
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Re: undelete files in msdosfs

2013-08-18 Thread Polytropon
On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 20:28:53 +0100, Frank Leonhardt wrote:
> I wrote something to do this a long time back, but I doubt I can find 
> the source quickly. The easiest way would be to download a forensic 
> live-CD like DEFT, which includes Undelete 360. Possibly over-kill but 
> it's handy to have one around. Most of these forensic tools use a GUI.

Or UBCD, if I remember correctly. It also offers some of those
tools, usually the text-mode variants (not CLI, but dialog-driven)
which allow you to perform the tasks quickly and safely.



> There is a program called fatback in the ports collection but I haven't 
> tried it. The tools on these forensic live-CDs are likely to be more 
> powerful by a long way.

Most of the programs can be used from within FreeBSD. As I said,
there are many of those available for free. Some of them require
the user to _know_ what he does. The more complex the recovery
task is, the more knowledge is involved. GUIs are good to hide
this fact, and in worst case, you lose your data. Of course there
is no problem delegating the recovery task to a service center
for $$$. And sometimes, if you look close enough, you can see
that those are using the free tools. :-)






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Re: Setup HP Laserjet 1120m over network with LPD

2013-08-18 Thread Warren Block

On Sun, 18 Aug 2013, Juris Kaminskis wrote:


Yes indeed, i corrected, but i have still the problem


Please don't top-post, it makes responding more difficult.

lpd will restart a queue when it gets an error from a filter.  Manually 
test the filter before trying to use it with lpd.

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Re: undelete files in msdosfs

2013-08-18 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Sunday, August 18, 2013 a las 03:23:18PM -0400, Jerry escribió:

> On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:00:39 +0200
> Matthias Apitz articulated:
> 
> > After a nice day in the fields, my wife deleted accidently the
> > pictures in her cam; the microSD mounts fine in FreeBSD as -t
> > msdosfs; do we have some FreeBSD 10-CUR tool to undelete the files,
> > as there are some for M$?
> 
> There are dozens of Microsoft based applications that are intended to
> undelete a file, assuming you have not otherwise over written the file
> or messed up the file system. I even saw one designed just for cameras.
> Google is your friend.

Thanks for your reply, but luckily we do not have any Microsoft infected
computer at home (and we will no have).

matthias

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Re: undelete files in msdosfs

2013-08-18 Thread Frank Leonhardt
I wrote something to do this a long time back, but I doubt I can find 
the source quickly. The easiest way would be to download a forensic 
live-CD like DEFT, which includes Undelete 360. Possibly over-kill but 
it's handy to have one around. Most of these forensic tools use a GUI.


There is a program called fatback in the ports collection but I haven't 
tried it. The tools on these forensic live-CDs are likely to be more 
powerful by a long way.


Regards, Frank.

On 18/08/2013 18:00, Matthias Apitz wrote:

Hello,

After a nice day in the fields, my wife deleted accidently the pictures
in her cam; the microSD mounts fine in FreeBSD as -t msdosfs; do we have
some FreeBSD 10-CUR tool to undelete the files, as there are some for M$?
Thanks

matthias


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Re: undelete files in msdosfs

2013-08-18 Thread Polytropon
On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:00:39 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> After a nice day in the fields, my wife deleted accidently the pictures
> in her cam; the microSD mounts fine in FreeBSD as -t msdosfs; do we have
> some FreeBSD 10-CUR tool to undelete the files, as there are some for M$?

We have plenty of them. From my "unbelievable list of tools for
data recovery" and regarding that you are trying to recover files
from a camera: "photorec". It's in the ports collection. In the
same context, "magicrescue" is worth mentioning. If they all
fail, consider using TSK.

Note: Do _not_ do ANY writes to the card! Mount it -o ro if needed.
Make an 1:1 copy (using "dd_rescue" from ports), work with that
copy. Everything that slips through fat fingers could reduce the
chance of a successful recovery session. I know it. ;-)







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Re: Setup HP Laserjet 1120m over network with LPD

2013-08-18 Thread Juris Kaminskis
Yes indeed, i corrected, but i have still the problem
2013. gada 18. aug. 22:01 "Chris Hill"  rakstīja:

> On Sun, 18 Aug 2013, Juris Kaminskis wrote:
>
>  as suggested i tried now foo2xqx filter. My printcap entry:
>> ---
>> HP:\
>> :lp=:\
>> :sh:\
>> :mx#0:\
>> :rm=192.168.1.105:\
>> :rp=raw:\
>> :sd=/var/spool/hp:\
>> :if=/usr/bin/foo2xqx-wrapper:\
>> :lf=/var/log/lpd-errs:\
>> ---
>>
> ^
> That backslash needs to go, for one thing. The backslash indicates
> continuation on the next line, but I don't know what would happen if there
> is no next line. In other words, the last line should NOT end with a
> backslash.
>
> HTH.
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Re: undelete files in msdosfs

2013-08-18 Thread Jerry
On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:00:39 +0200
Matthias Apitz articulated:

> After a nice day in the fields, my wife deleted accidently the
> pictures in her cam; the microSD mounts fine in FreeBSD as -t
> msdosfs; do we have some FreeBSD 10-CUR tool to undelete the files,
> as there are some for M$?

There are dozens of Microsoft based applications that are intended to
undelete a file, assuming you have not otherwise over written the file
or messed up the file system. I even saw one designed just for cameras.
Google is your friend.

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ipfw gateway rerouting

2013-08-18 Thread Jos Chrispijn
Can someone please hint me to to good explanatory site that explains how 
to reroute a network server to different/non standard network gateway(s) 
with ipfw?


thanks,
Jos Chrispijn
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Re: Setup HP Laserjet 1120m over network with LPD

2013-08-18 Thread Chris Hill

On Sun, 18 Aug 2013, Juris Kaminskis wrote:


as suggested i tried now foo2xqx filter. My printcap entry:
---
HP:\
:lp=:\
:sh:\
:mx#0:\
:rm=192.168.1.105:\
:rp=raw:\
:sd=/var/spool/hp:\
:if=/usr/bin/foo2xqx-wrapper:\
:lf=/var/log/lpd-errs:\
---

^
That backslash needs to go, for one thing. The backslash indicates 
continuation on the next line, but I don't know what would happen if 
there is no next line. In other words, the last line should NOT end with 
a backslash.


HTH.

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undelete files in msdosfs

2013-08-18 Thread Matthias Apitz

Hello,

After a nice day in the fields, my wife deleted accidently the pictures
in her cam; the microSD mounts fine in FreeBSD as -t msdosfs; do we have
some FreeBSD 10-CUR tool to undelete the files, as there are some for M$?
Thanks

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Re: Setup HP Laserjet 1120m over network with LPD

2013-08-18 Thread Juris Kaminskis
as suggested i tried now foo2xqx filter. My printcap entry:
---
HP:\
:lp=:\
:sh:\
:mx#0:\
:rm=192.168.1.105:\
:rp=raw:\
:sd=/var/spool/hp:\
:if=/usr/bin/foo2xqx-wrapper:\
:lf=/var/log/lpd-errs:\
---

Now I get following errors in log file:

---
Aug 18 21:16:17 laptops lpd[11798]: lpd startup: logging=0
Aug 18 21:16:17 laptops foo2xqx-wrapper: foo2xqx-wrapper -w132 -l66 -i0 -n
root
Aug 18 21:16:18 laptops lpd[11799]: restarting HP
Aug 18 21:16:18 laptops foo2xqx-wrapper: foo2xqx-wrapper -w132 -l66 -i0 -n
root
Aug 18 21:16:19 laptops lpd[11799]: restarting HP
Aug 18 21:16:19 laptops foo2xqx-wrapper: foo2xqx-wrapper -w132 -l66 -i0 -n
root
Aug 18 21:16:19 laptops lpd[11799]: restarting HP
Aug 18 21:16:19 laptops foo2xqx-wrapper: foo2xqx-wrapper -w132 -l66 -i0 -n
root
Aug 18 21:16:19 laptops lpd[11799]: restarting HP
Aug 18 21:16:19 laptops foo2xqx-wrapper: foo2xqx-wrapper -w132 -l66 -i0 -n
root
Aug 18 21:16:19 laptops lpd[11799]: HP: job could not be sent to remote
host (cf
Aug 18 21:16:20 laptops lpd[11799]: mail sent to user root about job
 o
---

why foo2xqx-wrapper is forcing restart for the printer?



2013/8/6 Juris Kaminskis 

>
> after several trials and errors and reading through FreeBSD handbook I am
> at dead end on how to proceed further, hope someone can guide me.
>
> my /etc/printcap entry:
> ---
> HP:\
> :rm=192.168.1.105:sd=/var/spool/hp:lf=/var/log/lpd-errs:\
> :if=/usr/local/libexec/hp-network:
> ---
>
> my /usr/local/libexec/hp-network entry:
> ---
> #!/bin/sh
> #
> # hp-network - Text filter for HP printer `NPI2B483C' listening
> # on port 9100. Installed in /usr/local/libexec/hp-network
> #
> exec /usr/libexec/lpr/lpf "$@" | /usr/local/libexec/netprint 192.168.1.105
> 9100
> ---
>
> my /usr/local/libexec/netprint entry:
> ---
> !/usr/bin/perl -w
> #
> # netprint - Text filter for printer attached to network
> # Installed in /usr/local/libexec/netprint
> #
>
> $#ARGV eq 1 || die "Usage: $0  ";
>
> $printer_host = $ARGV[0];
> $printer_port = $ARGV[1];
> use Socket;
>
> $protocol = getprotobyname('tcp');
> $address = inet_aton("192.168.1.105");
> $sockaddr = sockaddr_in($printer_port, $address);
>
> socket(PRINTER, PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, $protocol)
>   || die "Can't create TCP/IP stream socket: $!";
> connect(PRINTER, $sockaddr) || die "Can't contact $printer_host: $!";
>
> while () { print PRINTER; } exit 0;
> ---
>
> Now my /var/log/lpd-errs is empty and in spool directory I have following
> after running command lptest 20 5 | lpr -P HP :
>
> content of /var/spool/hp
> total 16
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root juris 4 Aug 6 21:55 .seq
> -rw-rw 1 daemon juris 70 Aug 6 21:55 cfA014laptops
> -rw-rw 1 root juris 605 Aug 6 21:55 dfA014laptops
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 root juris 0 Aug 6 21:55 errs.ukc0YLC
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 root juris 5 Aug 6 21:55 lock
>
> My printer is not responding in any way, it keeps on flashing Ready. it is
> on the internal network having ip 192.168.1.105
>
> thanks
> Juris
>
>
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Re: Mouse Trails?

2013-08-18 Thread Walter Hurry
On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 18:29:23 +0200, cpghost wrote:

> On 08/18/13 16:48, Gary Aitken wrote:
>> On 08/17/13 19:08, cpghost wrote:
>>> On 08/17/13 18:14, Walter Hurry wrote:
 On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:31:26 +0200, Polytropon wrote:
>> 
>>> Good ole Xeyes... ;-) But beware, xeyes crashes X server right now!
>>> Using
>>>
>>> xeyes-1.1.1 xorg-server-1.7.7_8,1
>>>
>>> on FreeBSD 9.2-PRERELEASE #0 r253323 Sat Jul 13 21:00:32 CEST 2013
>>> amd64
>>>
>>> I'm not the only one who's got X server crashes with xeyes:
>>>
>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-x11/2012-May/011833.html
>>>
>>> @Polytropon: what version of xeyes/xorg-server are you using?
>> 
>> pkg_info | grep xeyes xeyes-1.1.1 A follow the mouse X demo
>> pkg_info | grep xorg-server xorg-server-1.7.7_8,1 X.Org X server and
>> related programs
>> 
>> Works fine here, amd64.
>> 
>> How soon does it crash?
>>   First mouse movement, program startup, or what?
> 
> At program startup.
> 
> Using fluxbox here. I'll try with another WM. Maybe it's a WM problem?
> 
> No other programs cause X server crashes here. I must say that it caught
> me by surprise!
> 
>> The behavior I see is:
>>   mouse is visible start typing in xterm and cursor disappears xeyes
>>   comes up with eyes pointing to where cursor was a second or so later
>>   the cursor reappears move the cursor and eyes follow it

No problem for me since Polytropon suggested it. I'm on amd64 - WM is 
Openbox.

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freebsd-update fails to tfetch public key

2013-08-18 Thread david coder

freebsd-update whatever on 9.2-PRERELEASE yields "Fetching public key from
... failed."  using the freebsd-update.conf that comes w/the system.  i must
be doing something wrong.  what?

david coder
  


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Re: VPN where local private address collide

2013-08-18 Thread Frank Leonhardt


On 18/08/2013 12:51, Terje Elde wrote:

On 18. aug. 2013, at 12.20, Frank Leonhardt wrote:

I'm not sure that TLS would cause more problems than any other packets, but as 
you point out, the exercise is bound to be full of pooh traps as yet 
undiscovered. FTP should be interesting, for a start. But for most things, why 
would swapping an IP address in the packet header cause any kind of problem as 
long as it was done consistently?

I was cutting corners and trying to keep the reply short (was on cellphone at 
the time), and I think the word headers might have lead to some crosstalk.

For TCP/IP itself, just consistently swapping the IP would solve the problem.  
That'd fix a lot, and things like like ssh and http should work fine with that.

If we look at other things though, like SIP, it's not that easy.  I'm using SIP 
as an example just because it illustrates the point nicely, and I know it well.

For SIP, you'd have the IP in multiple places:

TCP/IP - the connection to the server.
SIP - The application protocol
RTP - Payload in the application protocol, carrying media-metadata

Now, you'd get the connection to the server (TCP/IP), but for registering 
against the SIP-server, the client would include it's IP in the SIP-layer as 
well, in a http-like header.  It'd tell the server where it would want to be 
contacted for things like incoming calls.  Initially this would point to the 
clients perspective of the IP, and not to the IP it were to carry after NAT.  
That is, the client would be able to register, but for incoming calls the 
server would try to contact the IP in the wrong place.

For placing calls, you'd also have information about where media-streams should 
go in RTP, both IP and port numbers.  This would also carry wrong information 
if you're merely changing the IP/port in TCP/IP-layers.

Both of these can be resolved wither in the router/firewall/NAT-box, or worked 
around on the server, but it's not pretty by a long shot, and it's completely 
avoidable if you can avoid the NAT.


There are lots of corporate networks on 10.x.x.x, and I'm told this kind of 
caper is used to sort them out when they collide. Paying for a Cisco VPN could 
easily work out cheaper than reconfiguring a large corporate LAN, but I don't 
have the budget for either.

This kind of thing *can* be used to sort out colliding subnets, but that 
doesn't mean it *should* be used to resolve the issue(s).

You mentioned that a Cisco-guy said this would work, and explained details of 
how to do it.

I'm thinking that the same Cisco-guy could also give details on how to drop a 
rack full of Juniper-equipment out of a 10th floor window, in order to replace 
it with Cisco-gear.  It's quite possible to do that, but again, that doesn't 
mean you should.

I think the gist of the issue here is that you have a problem, and you're 
(correctly) thinking you can solve a lot if you NAT the two networks together.  
That's not wrong, it's completely true.  You can get a lot to work in that way.

Then you also have some random-looking guy on a mailing-list telling you that "Yes, 
you can do that.  But you shouldn't".  I get how hard it can be to take that kind of 
advice, especially when you know and have been told that it's quite possible.

If you really, really want to explore that route, then here's one way to go 
about it:

Use the VPN just to get the link up, don't worry about using NAT with MPD.  
It's nice to keep all of the nat/firewall-bits in a single place, and pf is a 
good solution to it.

If you're running the VPN off of the primary gateway, this should be fairly 
straight-forward, and you should be able to use something like this:

pf.conf on gateway/vpn-endpoint in lan_a:

lan_a = "192.168.0.0/24"
lan_b = "192.168.0.0/24"
vpn_a = "192.168.1.0/24"
vpn_b = "192.168.2.0/24"

binat on $vpn_if from $lan_a to any -> $vpn_a


pf.conf on gateway/vpn-endpoint in lan_b:

lan_a = "192.168.0.0/24"
lan_b = "192.168.0.0/24"
vpn_a = "192.168.1.0/24"
vpn_b = "192.168.2.0/24"

binat on $vpn_if from $lan_b to any -> $vpn_b


The VPN-tunnel itself could ignore any concept of the conflicting 
192.168.0.0/24-range, and simply deal with 192.168.1.0/24 being on one end, and 
192.168.2.0/24 on the other.


If you're standing in lan_a, and your local address is 192.168.0.182, and you'd 
like to reach 192.168.0.17 in lan_b, you'd talk to 192.168.2.17.

In lan_a, the conneciton would be seen as 192.168.0.182 -> 192.168.2.17.

Crossing the lan_a VPN-endpoing going into the tunnel, it'd get rewritten to be 
192.168.1.182 -> 192.168.2.17.
Crossing the lan_b VPN-endpoint going into lan_b, it'd get rewritten to be 
192.168.1.182 -> 192.168.0.17

You'd then hit the right server.

The response from 192.168.0.17 (in lan_b) would get routed back over the 
VPN-tunnel, since it's sent to 192.168.1.182.

That is, in lan_b the response would be 192.168.0.17 -> 192.168.1.182.

Crossing the lan_b VPN-endpoing going into the tunnel, on the way back

Re: Mouse Trails?

2013-08-18 Thread cpghost
On 08/18/13 16:48, Gary Aitken wrote:
> On 08/17/13 19:08, cpghost wrote:
>> On 08/17/13 18:14, Walter Hurry wrote:
>>> On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:31:26 +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> 
>> Good ole Xeyes... ;-) But beware, xeyes crashes X server right now! Using
>>
>> xeyes-1.1.1
>> xorg-server-1.7.7_8,1
>>
>> on
>> FreeBSD 9.2-PRERELEASE #0 r253323 Sat Jul 13 21:00:32 CEST 2013 amd64
>>
>> I'm not the only one who's got X server crashes with xeyes:
>>
>> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-x11/2012-May/011833.html
>>
>> @Polytropon: what version of xeyes/xorg-server are you using?
> 
> pkg_info | grep xeyes
> xeyes-1.1.1 A follow the mouse X demo
> pkg_info | grep xorg-server
> xorg-server-1.7.7_8,1 X.Org X server and related programs
> 
> Works fine here, amd64.
> 
> How soon does it crash?
>   First mouse movement, program startup, or what?

At program startup.

Using fluxbox here. I'll try with another WM. Maybe it's a
WM problem?

No other programs cause X server crashes here. I must say
that it caught me by surprise!

> The behavior I see is:
>   mouse is visible
>   start typing in xterm and cursor disappears
>   xeyes comes up with eyes pointing to where cursor was
>   a second or so later the cursor reappears
>   move the cursor and eyes follow it
> 
> Gary
> 

-cpghost

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Re: Mouse Trails?

2013-08-18 Thread Gary Aitken
On 08/17/13 19:08, cpghost wrote:
> On 08/17/13 18:14, Walter Hurry wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:31:26 +0200, Polytropon wrote:

> Good ole Xeyes... ;-) But beware, xeyes crashes X server right now! Using
> 
> xeyes-1.1.1
> xorg-server-1.7.7_8,1
> 
> on
> FreeBSD 9.2-PRERELEASE #0 r253323 Sat Jul 13 21:00:32 CEST 2013 amd64
> 
> I'm not the only one who's got X server crashes with xeyes:
> 
> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-x11/2012-May/011833.html
> 
> @Polytropon: what version of xeyes/xorg-server are you using?

pkg_info | grep xeyes
xeyes-1.1.1 A follow the mouse X demo
pkg_info | grep xorg-server
xorg-server-1.7.7_8,1 X.Org X server and related programs

Works fine here, amd64.

How soon does it crash?
  First mouse movement, program startup, or what?

The behavior I see is:
  mouse is visible
  start typing in xterm and cursor disappears
  xeyes comes up with eyes pointing to where cursor was
  a second or so later the cursor reappears
  move the cursor and eyes follow it

Gary
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Re: VPN where local private address collide

2013-08-18 Thread Terje Elde
On 18. aug. 2013, at 02.43, Adam Vande More wrote:
> > What about SSL/TLS for example?  How would the router swap the header in an 
> > encrypted session?
> 
> Same as it would any sessions since only the payload is encrypted.  What 
> Frank calls basic nat, most people call static nat(at least people who have 
> read enough Cisco docs) and it works just fine. Also you are confusing 
> headers.

The point I was aiming for was that even if you were to swap the IPs in the 
IP-header on the gateway, some protocols still reference the IPs inside the 
TCP-payload, and while you can rewrite that on a NAT-box using an application 
level gateway, you can not do that if the session is using SSL or TLS.

I was referring to headers *inside* the SSL/TLS-layers.  I thought that was 
obvious, but I see I might not have been clear enough.

Yes, you can often still resolve it on the server, but just how messy does one 
want to get stacking workaround on top of workaround, just to avoid renumbering 
the network?

Terje

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Re: VPN where local private address collide

2013-08-18 Thread Terje Elde
On 18. aug. 2013, at 12.20, Frank Leonhardt wrote:
> I'm not sure that TLS would cause more problems than any other packets, but 
> as you point out, the exercise is bound to be full of pooh traps as yet 
> undiscovered. FTP should be interesting, for a start. But for most things, 
> why would swapping an IP address in the packet header cause any kind of 
> problem as long as it was done consistently?

I was cutting corners and trying to keep the reply short (was on cellphone at 
the time), and I think the word headers might have lead to some crosstalk.

For TCP/IP itself, just consistently swapping the IP would solve the problem.  
That'd fix a lot, and things like like ssh and http should work fine with that.

If we look at other things though, like SIP, it's not that easy.  I'm using SIP 
as an example just because it illustrates the point nicely, and I know it well.

For SIP, you'd have the IP in multiple places:

TCP/IP - the connection to the server.
SIP - The application protocol
RTP - Payload in the application protocol, carrying media-metadata

Now, you'd get the connection to the server (TCP/IP), but for registering 
against the SIP-server, the client would include it's IP in the SIP-layer as 
well, in a http-like header.  It'd tell the server where it would want to be 
contacted for things like incoming calls.  Initially this would point to the 
clients perspective of the IP, and not to the IP it were to carry after NAT.  
That is, the client would be able to register, but for incoming calls the 
server would try to contact the IP in the wrong place.

For placing calls, you'd also have information about where media-streams should 
go in RTP, both IP and port numbers.  This would also carry wrong information 
if you're merely changing the IP/port in TCP/IP-layers.

Both of these can be resolved wither in the router/firewall/NAT-box, or worked 
around on the server, but it's not pretty by a long shot, and it's completely 
avoidable if you can avoid the NAT.

> There are lots of corporate networks on 10.x.x.x, and I'm told this kind of 
> caper is used to sort them out when they collide. Paying for a Cisco VPN 
> could easily work out cheaper than reconfiguring a large corporate LAN, but I 
> don't have the budget for either.

This kind of thing *can* be used to sort out colliding subnets, but that 
doesn't mean it *should* be used to resolve the issue(s).

You mentioned that a Cisco-guy said this would work, and explained details of 
how to do it.

I'm thinking that the same Cisco-guy could also give details on how to drop a 
rack full of Juniper-equipment out of a 10th floor window, in order to replace 
it with Cisco-gear.  It's quite possible to do that, but again, that doesn't 
mean you should.

I think the gist of the issue here is that you have a problem, and you're 
(correctly) thinking you can solve a lot if you NAT the two networks together.  
That's not wrong, it's completely true.  You can get a lot to work in that way.

Then you also have some random-looking guy on a mailing-list telling you that 
"Yes, you can do that.  But you shouldn't".  I get how hard it can be to take 
that kind of advice, especially when you know and have been told that it's 
quite possible.

If you really, really want to explore that route, then here's one way to go 
about it:

Use the VPN just to get the link up, don't worry about using NAT with MPD.  
It's nice to keep all of the nat/firewall-bits in a single place, and pf is a 
good solution to it.

If you're running the VPN off of the primary gateway, this should be fairly 
straight-forward, and you should be able to use something like this:

pf.conf on gateway/vpn-endpoint in lan_a:

lan_a = "192.168.0.0/24"
lan_b = "192.168.0.0/24"
vpn_a = "192.168.1.0/24"
vpn_b = "192.168.2.0/24"

binat on $vpn_if from $lan_a to any -> $vpn_a


pf.conf on gateway/vpn-endpoint in lan_b:

lan_a = "192.168.0.0/24"
lan_b = "192.168.0.0/24"
vpn_a = "192.168.1.0/24"
vpn_b = "192.168.2.0/24"

binat on $vpn_if from $lan_b to any -> $vpn_b


The VPN-tunnel itself could ignore any concept of the conflicting 
192.168.0.0/24-range, and simply deal with 192.168.1.0/24 being on one end, and 
192.168.2.0/24 on the other.


If you're standing in lan_a, and your local address is 192.168.0.182, and you'd 
like to reach 192.168.0.17 in lan_b, you'd talk to 192.168.2.17.

In lan_a, the conneciton would be seen as 192.168.0.182 -> 192.168.2.17.

Crossing the lan_a VPN-endpoing going into the tunnel, it'd get rewritten to be 
192.168.1.182 -> 192.168.2.17.
Crossing the lan_b VPN-endpoint going into lan_b, it'd get rewritten to be 
192.168.1.182 -> 192.168.0.17

You'd then hit the right server.

The response from 192.168.0.17 (in lan_b) would get routed back over the 
VPN-tunnel, since it's sent to 192.168.1.182.

That is, in lan_b the response would be 192.168.0.17 -> 192.168.1.182.

Crossing the lan_b VPN-endpoing going into the tunnel, on the way back to 
lan_a, it'd get rewr

Re: VPN where local private address collide

2013-08-18 Thread Frank Leonhardt

On 18/08/2013 00:29, Terje Elde wrote:

> The obvious answer is IPv6, of course. I'm surprised no one has 
mentioned it yet.


You seemed dead set on not renumbering the networks, and moving to 
IPv6 would not only be just that, but also be harder than just 
renumbering IPv4-nets, so you answered that question for us already.


I was being ironic ;-)

I'm not sure that TLS would cause more problems than any other packets, 
but as you point out, the exercise is bound to be full of pooh traps as 
yet undiscovered. FTP should be interesting, for a start. But for most 
things, why would swapping an IP address in the packet header cause any 
kind of problem as long as it was done consistently?


Apparently Cisco routers manage to sort this all out as a matter of 
course, which goes some way to explaining why they cost so much. There 
are lots of corporate networks on 10.x.x.x, and I'm told this kind of 
caper is used to sort them out when they collide. Paying for a Cisco VPN 
could easily work out cheaper than reconfiguring a large corporate LAN, 
but I don't have the budget for either. Unfortunately this goes beyond 
my current knowledge of FreeBSD's networking layers so I may be busy for 
some time.


Regards, Frank.


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Re: where to start with PGP/GPG?

2013-08-18 Thread Graham Todd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

>>I never needed to use pgp till now.
>>So I'm not sure where to start.
>>Is security/gnupg the way to go?
>>Any other advice?
>>
>>Thanks
>>Anton

You might like to look at:

http://www.cyberdelix.net/tech/bsd-gpg.htm

as a start.  Its got a list of "related artcles" with the page that
might give you some other directions in which to look.

The gnupg-users mailing list MIGHT be able to give you more
FreeBSD-specific help, but I must confess I have not seen any FreeBSD
specific answers or questions for a long time. Anyway, here is the URL
for the mailing list(s):

http://www.gnupg.org/documentation/mailing-lists.en.html


++ Graham Todd
Using gNewSense Linux 3.0 "Parkes"

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Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux)

iEYEARECAAYFAlIQjpQACgkQklFwVWr4Yu+KDQCgmdb5GN4HufoirmxOISbKayAl
Fw0AoOX2qeMft3ogEiM38ho2Fjkzurnj
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