Re: Why Clang
On 6/21/12 1:40 AM, Michel Talon wrote: Second, FreeBSD is not a commercial company, and while this argument may have a merit for commercial sponsors of FreeBSD, it has zero bearing on FreeBSD itself. You seem to be unaware of what percentage of the development and maintenance staff and the money to pay for them comes from those commercial users. If FreeBSD cannot maintain the critical mass to continue, it will not continue. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Is ZFS production ready?
On 6/21/12 9:47 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: True but this applies as much to you. You think you know it all and that is quite the probdlem with you. And discussing with you is a true waste with this attittute. Even its free. so stop it. This mailing list isn't your blog. If you want to hear your own voice, go lock yourself in a room. We'll all be happier. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why Clang
On 6/21/12 10:08 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Second, FreeBSD is not a commercial company, and while this argument may have a merit for commercial sponsors of FreeBSD, it has zero bearing on FreeBSD itself. You seem to be unaware of what percentage of the development and maintenance staff and the money to pay for them comes from those commercial users. If FreeBSD cannot maintain the critical mass to continue, it will not continue. but why it isn't clearly stated: We put clang because sponsors wanted it. Sponsors didn't want clang. Sponsors wanted not to be encumbered by a GPLv3 license. If there was a shmoodlepoodle compiler instead of clang that met this requirement instead and was at least as performant and stable, it would likely have been selected. If you don't like clang as an option, go away and come back when you've built a better compiler and offered it under an acceptable license. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why Clang
On 6/21/12 10:16 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: We put clang because sponsors wanted it. Sponsors didn't want clang. Sponsors wanted not to be encumbered by a GPLv3 they are not. programs compiled by GPLv3 compiler are not encumbered. Programs that link to GPLv3 libraries are encumbered. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why Clang
On 6/21/12 10:36 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: sources please! Google GPLv3 court case. There are no applicable results. Until a Judge decides what the license truly means everyone using it is at risk. true. But why anyone from FreeBSD fundation didn't just write official letter to GNU Free Software Foundation asking for just that case? Because what FSF says is irrelevant. What courts decide is all that counts. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why Clang
On 6/21/12 10:30 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: z woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: programs compiled by GPLv3 compiler are not encumbered. This has not been decided in court yet. sources please! Logical fallacy -- looking for a non-existence proof. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Is ZFS production ready?
On 6/21/12 11:21 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Only after you, my man, only after you. not yours. i'm not homosexual For which the gay community is grateful. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Access to Time Warner cable network
On Apr 2, 2012, at 7:32 AM, Dave d...@g8kbv.demon.co.uk wrote: On 1 Apr 2012 at 19:05, Jerry wrote: On Mon, 02 Apr 2012 08:50:42 +1000 Da Rock articulated: Given that the other tech in question asked me to help him, and he is a Winblows nut like yourself, I think this premise can be dismissed out of hand. I won't even bother to qualify the rest, I wouldn't want to ruin your delusion. No delusion here. You have confirmed what I suspected. A classic case of The blind leading the blind. If one idiot can screw something up, just think what two idiots can accomplish? -- Jerry Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ In the world of the blind, the one eyed bloke is promoted to near god like status! Dave Does all this smugness actually seem useful to all of you, or is one factor behind the precipitous drop in FreeBSD community size how much y'all love the sound of your own voices?!___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Is this bunk.
It's a lot like complaining that your bull is counterproductive because it isn't a cow and therefore won't yield milk. If one's definition of productive is expands the amount of software in the universe that is non-proprietary, then perhaps the BSD license is non-productive -- but that was never its goal. The license serves to improve the amount of reusable software in the universe -- and in doing so, the quality of that code -- and in the process, the idea that entities could leverage it to build proprietary extensions is in the mix. Many companies have built products with proprietary components using BSD-licensed baselines. Rather than start from scratch, they ended up with products that were less expensive and higher-quality. For many of these companies, religious compliance to software liberation is not a pill they would consider swallowing. On 8/22/10 5:25 PM, Garry wrote: This is a conversation held on a UK group page, can you confirm or deny this as twaddle. Mac OS X is basically BSD that's been appleised (serious vendor lock-in), they do give a little back to BSDs, but have made sure that BSDs can't get much off of them, but they can get a lot out of BSD. Also, Windows uses (or used to use) a BSD stack for networking for instance. So, in supporting/using BDS i would enevatibaly end up writing code for it, or filing bugs or whatever. (I have assisted with a few Linux drivers and written kernel patches, as well as working on things like DirectX 3D 9 for Wine and work on KDE etc...) Having seen how BDS license software has been used, to create highly tied in, almost crippled proprietary software, I do not feel that I can support software developed under such licenses. Web-Kit has actually worked quite well as an open system, even though Apple done a hostile take over of the project from KHTML in KDE. So, the GPL has worked to produce an open product in Web-kit but the BSD license has lead to vendor lock-in on the part of Microsoft and most significantly Apple. This does not mean to say that I have a problem with the quality of the code in BSD, I just feel that the license is counter productive. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Just want to ask
On Jun 29, 2010, at 11:13 AM, Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote: Whether or not he agrees with them is a matter of philosophical interest only, so long as he keeps to the terms. Agree TO them, not agree WITH them. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: one solved ; yet one new issue.
Gary Kline wrote: no diff. i also filled in smart-host in the .mc file. i did a make install. no difference... gary Those would have no effect. Send the file to me. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: one solved ; yet one new issue.
Gary Kline wrote: Jan 4 15:01:07 tao sendmail[21840]: m04N16F5021840: from=kline, size=549, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jan 4 15:01:07 tao sendmail[21840]: m04N16F5021840: [EMAIL PROTECTED], ctladdr=kline (1004/1004), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=30549, relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection refused by [127.0.0.1] And:: Jan 4 15:08:19 tao sendmail[21855]: m04N8Jok021855: from=kline, size=543, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jan 4 15:08:19 tao sendmail[21855]: m04N8Jok021855: [EMAIL PROTECTED], ctladdr=kline (1004/1004), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=30543, relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection refused by [127.0.0.1] telnet 127.0.0.1 25 telnet actual-IP-address 25 Does either work? The second but not the first? If so, look at your config file to see if you're listening only on the actual IP address. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: one solved ; yet one new issue.
Gary Kline wrote: Neither works; I thought the second mightt. *Which* config file? Your sendmail config file. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USB 2.0 PCI card for FreeBSD 5.4?
RW wrote: Why not? It's only 20 hours, sounds like a lot less hassle than finding/buying/installing a new card.. Because I can't afford 20 hours of slammed I/O on our main hosting server, plus I need to add the card in order to use the drive for ongoing backups anyway. (Also, I don't work for you, so I don't owe you an answer to questions beginning with why not...) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
USB 2.0 PCI card for FreeBSD 5.4?
Does anyone know one or two PCI USB cards that are compatible with FreeBSD 5.4? (Please let's hold off on the upgrade, you fool messages -- the cycle is: - install USB 2.0 card - back up to USB drive - upgrade ...and backing up 75GB at 1MB/sec isn't gonna fly.) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: reboot in single user
Jean-Paul Natola wrote: I'm aware of SMTP retries- just trying to gauge how long it will take - as I have certain users that become very unhappy when they see a massage arrive more than an hour after it was originally sent. There's a reason email is called email and not instant messaging. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
