Re: Still having trouble with package upgrades

2012-03-07 Thread freebsd-lists-erik
On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 03:20:19PM -0500, David Jackson wrote:
 I think that your statement here is fundamentally flawed and wrong, because
 you have assumed that it is impossible for the OS to be able to be user
 friendly and geek friendly at the same time. This is wrong. In fact, I have
 outlined ways repeatedly that FreeBSD could provide an easy to use package
 system without compromising on the flexibility of ports in any way. The
 idea that the OS has to be either difficult to use or it has to be easy to
 use for novices is wrong.  The OS can be both and I have written about ways
 that can be done, in fact, I can show how it can be done in every area. For
 instance, with better binary packages, those are simply built from ports
 using the best set of options. Those who want to compile for themselves
 will still be able to do so, just fine.
 
 So you have presented a position here that is simply not true. FreeBSD can
 be more user friendly and as the same time be flexible and friendly to
 experts such as yourself.
 
 its not an either or choice.

It can be, if there aren't resources available to devote to both.

You've brought this up multiple times. No one is interested in
actually doing it. Maybe you should do it yourself and provide the
person-power and hardware to get it done right. If it works, I suspect
that the FreeBSD devs would accept it and make you an official
contributor.

Otherwise, as has been noted several times, you are not FreeBSD's
target audience.
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Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-30 Thread freebsd-lists-erik
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 03:28:28PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
 You talk a lot about how easy it is to maintain a binary package system.
 I would like you to convince me that it is easy, keeping in mind that it
 should remain compatible with the ports system.  I am willing to be
 convinced.
 
 -- 
 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ]


Oh come on, guys. David is the same person who said that FreeBSD was
poorly documented.

http://osdir.com/ml/freebsd-questions/2011-12/msg00684.html

I really hate throwing around the 'T' word, but I'm starting to
wonder.  I'll give him the benefit of the doubt a bit longer.

David, it's increasingly clear that FreeBSD is not going to fit your
needs. If, for some reason, you are interested in the FreeBSD kernel,
but binary packages, consider GNU/kFreeBSD.
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