Re: Light word processor plus the occasional spreadsheet
On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 20:47:04 -0500, ill...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe because 20+ years ago I learnt wordstar, so if you grew up on pointin' clickin' you'll be sorely dis- appointed, but I enjoy the jstar mode of editors/joe (or actually editors/jupp, some dif'rence, mostly). Fully agree for text _creation_ (e. g. as LaTeX sources), joe is a very productive environment if you're familiar with the WS/TP interface. Pathetic writer, from siag isn't half bad, but you'll have to build from sources all by your lonesome, it ain't gonna work at first. In this regards using already _ported_ software seems to be easier. I've spend some time here to get a customized version of OpenOffice (german language variant, _no_ KDE, _no_ Gnome, but sadly _yes_ CUPS even though I don't need it due to a perfectly capable PS/PCL printer). Of course, it's not as easy as pkg_add -r de-openoffice anymore. You could install the whole office suite _plus_ the localized dictionary (today missing, needs additional fiddling!) and it worked out of the box. Modern software can be different. :-) Luckily, using Abiword doesn't require that much dependencies. Only some Gtk parts (Gnome parts) are required, but you don't get a full Gnome install for free. The downside is the general inability to simply open /certain proprietary formats/ which libre- open-office have. That's correct - LibreOffice and OpenOffice can even open formats that their native producers can't open anymore, like memory garbage left behind by quick safe and data files from older Word versions which their modern successors refuse to open. As long as text is pure text or at least some kind of markup or macro language, simply using the preferred text editor will be _the thing_. But people often tend to make things more complicated than they are - for themselves and for others. :-) And maybe new problems arise when working through different ISO encodings and UTF... this is where the use of a word processor could avoid problems (if all the required _fonts_ are installed... oh, I'm just substituting one problem with another)... But then I'm a fan of editing writing with a simple editing writing program saving all the font other extraneous formatting nonsense to a proper layout program (the old Aldus PageMaker was nice back in the 1990s, haha): print/scribus might be an option, except that it pulls in every accursed KDE/qt4 thing on Earth. That's a different approach that might even go into the direction of layouting or even DTP. In this case, word processors are the wrong tool. So after all, if it's just people send me some strange 'Word' files and want be to open and maybe change it, a standalone word processor like Abiword looks like the easiest solution. I'd finally like to point to this document which might help to make people aware of _what_ they are actually doing when they're sending memory dumps around: http://en.nothingisreal.com/wiki/Please_don't_send_me_Microsoft_Word_documents Also see the links to Word processors: stupid and inefficient and What has WYSIWYG done to us? at the end of the page. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Light word processor plus the occasional spreadsheet
On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:18:41 +0100, Leslie Jensen wrote:
Polytropon skrev 2012-11-15 10:12:
On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:06:56 +0100, Leslie Jensen wrote:
Hello
I mainly use LibreOffice and it works for me.
My problem now is that the build time for LibreOffice on a little
older hardware is very long.
Why not use the binary install method (pkg_add -r)? The default options
should work fine.
Maybe I'll try that. I never got into packages, I always ended up
compiling dependencies anyway so I dropped it ;-)
I'm compiling ports once, on my main box, then using pkgng to build
binary packages ('pkg create').
These packages are on an NFS share, which the other machines use with
'pkg add your binary'. As an example, libreoffice-3.5.7.txz installed
(with 28 not-already-installed dependencies pulled in automatically from
the same directory) in *56 seconds*. The main box has 3GB RAM, the second
has 1MB.
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Re: Light word processor plus the occasional spreadsheet
On 15 November 2012 04:06, Leslie Jensen les...@eskk.nu wrote: Hello I mainly use LibreOffice and it works for me. My problem now is that the build time for LibreOffice on a little older hardware is very long. Is there an alternative to writer that does not take that long to build? If I can get an alternative to Calc also it's a plus but not a big problem. The main work I do will still be done on machines that can build LibreOffice. Now and then I need to open an attached file, maybe edit it and send it back. It's for that purpose I need the light version. Maybe because 20+ years ago I learnt wordstar, so if you grew up on pointin' clickin' you'll be sorely dis- appointed, but I enjoy the jstar mode of editors/joe (or actually editors/jupp, some dif'rence, mostly). Pathetic writer, from siag isn't half bad, but you'll have to build from sources all by your lonesome, it ain't gonna work at first. The downside is the general inability to simply open /certain proprietary formats/ which libre- open-office have. But then I'm a fan of editing writing with a simple editing writing program saving all the font other extraneous formatting nonsense to a proper layout program (the old Aldus PageMaker was nice back in the 1990s, haha): print/scribus might be an option, except that it pulls in every accursed KDE/qt4 thing on Earth. -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Light word processor plus the occasional spreadsheet
Hello I mainly use LibreOffice and it works for me. My problem now is that the build time for LibreOffice on a little older hardware is very long. Is there an alternative to writer that does not take that long to build? If I can get an alternative to Calc also it's a plus but not a big problem. The main work I do will still be done on machines that can build LibreOffice. Now and then I need to open an attached file, maybe edit it and send it back. It's for that purpose I need the light version. Thanks /Leslie ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Light word processor plus the occasional spreadsheet
On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:06:56 +0100, Leslie Jensen wrote: Hello I mainly use LibreOffice and it works for me. My problem now is that the build time for LibreOffice on a little older hardware is very long. Why not use the binary install method (pkg_add -r)? The default options should work fine. Is there an alternative to writer that does not take that long to build? Yes, you can use abiword, part of the Gnome office suite, but it's a standalone word processor. If I can get an alternative to Calc also it's a plus but not a big problem. There is gnumeric for that task, the companion of abiword. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Light word processor plus the occasional spreadsheet
Polytropon skrev 2012-11-15 10:12: On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:06:56 +0100, Leslie Jensen wrote: Hello I mainly use LibreOffice and it works for me. My problem now is that the build time for LibreOffice on a little older hardware is very long. Why not use the binary install method (pkg_add -r)? The default options should work fine. Maybe I'll try that. I never got into packages, I always ended up compiling dependencies anyway so I dropped it ;-) Thanks! Is there an alternative to writer that does not take that long to build? Yes, you can use abiword, part of the Gnome office suite, but it's a standalone word processor. If I can get an alternative to Calc also it's a plus but not a big problem. There is gnumeric for that task, the companion of abiword. :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Light word processor plus the occasional spreadsheet
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:06:56AM +0100, Leslie Jensen wrote: Is there an alternative to writer that does not take that long to build? Maybe wordgrinder? http://wordgrinder.sourceforge.net/ Never tried it on FreeBSD (mostly because I refuse to install Lua) but it never takes long to build if it does work. :P ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
