Re: [OT] Re: apple mac laptop.
I don't think it's far OT, either, since IMHO, Mac desktops and FreeBSD servers are the perfect, practical combination for many organizations, including my own. This might better be asked offlist, but there may be others like me who are clueless, and since you are familiar, I'll ask you. How "interact-able" are FBSD and (say) MacBook? E.g., is there a "BSD-way" of my creating an account of the Apple and using is? It's got @G of RAM, and a 160G drive [!]. Apple says in plain text that is is UNIX. (or maybe Berkeley Unix). So besides the mac firewall [whatever], the laptop will be behind my pfSense box. So... --and to be completely honest, the main reason for this >> $1000 laptop is *security*. When she was younger I wasn't that concerned is some kiddie cracker learned that her favorite pet was a kitty. Different now. Another question: can I install X11 without it bothering whatever kind of mac front-end windowing comes with? Be great if I could admin this BSD-based computer from my office. thankee much! X11 is integrated with the Apple desktop, so you can run X11 applications, like OpenOffice, from the desktop, more or less seamlessly. The only difference that I've noted is that X11 applications use Ctrl-C, etc., for copy/paste instead of the usual Apple-C, etc, that normal Apple applications use. This is a minor inconvenience, but it reminds me that there are two different types of applications on the desktop. Basically, OSX *is* BSD so you can mount server disks, etc., as usual. The main benefit to me is that administering Apples is very similar to administering a FreeBSD server, so I don't need to learn two completely different OSs (one is more than enough for me!) I basically think of OSX as BSD with a really, really good GUI. Blows the doors off the usual Unix desktops (which is why I switched.) -- John ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: [OT] Re: apple mac laptop.
On Aug 8, 2008, at 3:44 PM, Gary Kline wrote: This might better be asked offlist, but there may be others like me who are clueless, and since you are familiar, I'll ask you. How "interact-able" are FBSD and (say) MacBook? E.g., is there a "BSD-way" of my creating an account of the Apple and using is? It's got @G of RAM, and a 160G drive [!]. Apple says in plain text that is is UNIX. (or maybe Berkeley Unix). So besides the mac firewall [whatever], the laptop will be behind my pfSense box. So... --and to be completely honest, the main reason for this >> $1000 laptop is *security*. When she was younger I wasn't that concerned is some kiddie cracker learned that her favorite pet was a kitty. Different now. Another question: can I install X11 without it bothering whatever kind of mac front-end windowing comes with? Be great if I could admin this BSD-based computer from my office. thankee much! gary -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org Gary, I also strongly encourage you to install MacPorts.org, when you install x11 and xcode from the install media. There are methods of adding users via CLI however since the Apple setup is rather sophisticated I would recommend that you stick with the system preferences panel to start with. m! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: [OT] Re: apple mac laptop.
On Aug 8, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Gary Kline wrote: So besides the mac firewall [whatever], the laptop will be behind my pfSense box. So... --and to be completely honest, the main reason for this >> $1000 laptop is *security*. When she was younger I wasn't that concerned is some kiddie cracker learned that her favorite pet was a kitty. Different now. MacOS X comes with good old ipfw. Apple has added a 2nd firewall on top of that for 10.5, but apparently not pf. Another question: can I install X11 without it bothering whatever kind of mac front-end windowing comes with? Be great if I could admin this BSD-based computer from my office. Yes, Apple provides X11 as an optional install on the included system DVD, but not preloaded from the factory. While you are loading X11 I suggest you also install Xcode. Then again I think Xcode was pre-installed on my Mac Pro. Xcode is Apple's software development environment. -- David Kelly N4HHE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: [OT] Re: apple mac laptop.
On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 08:47:50AM -0400, John Almberg wrote: > >>(And yes, while one can run FreeBSD just fine on a Macbook, Sahil is > >>right that the question is off-topic for these lists. :-) > > > > > > Well, considering that they asked us (and NetBSD) for clues when > > they were porting OSX, it didn't seem like my post was *that* > > far Off! maybe a tiny bit. > > > > Anyway, thanks to everybody who replied onlist and off. > > > > gary > > > > I don't think it's far OT, either, since IMHO, Mac desktops and > FreeBSD servers are the perfect, practical combination for many > organizations, including my own. This might better be asked offlist, but there may be others like me who are clueless, and since you are familiar, I'll ask you. How "interact-able" are FBSD and (say) MacBook? E.g., is there a "BSD-way" of my creating an account of the Apple and using is? It's got @G of RAM, and a 160G drive [!]. Apple says in plain text that is is UNIX. (or maybe Berkeley Unix). So besides the mac firewall [whatever], the laptop will be behind my pfSense box. So... --and to be completely honest, the main reason for this >> $1000 laptop is *security*. When she was younger I wasn't that concerned is some kiddie cracker learned that her favorite pet was a kitty. Different now. Another question: can I install X11 without it bothering whatever kind of mac front-end windowing comes with? Be great if I could admin this BSD-based computer from my office. thankee much! gary > > -- John > -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: [OT] Re: apple mac laptop.
(And yes, while one can run FreeBSD just fine on a Macbook, Sahil is right that the question is off-topic for these lists. :-) Well, considering that they asked us (and NetBSD) for clues when they were porting OSX, it didn't seem like my post was *that* far Off! maybe a tiny bit. Anyway, thanks to everybody who replied onlist and off. gary I don't think it's far OT, either, since IMHO, Mac desktops and FreeBSD servers are the perfect, practical combination for many organizations, including my own. -- John ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: [OT] Re: apple mac laptop.
On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 04:15:30PM -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote:
> On Aug 7, 2008, at 3:42 PM, Gary Kline wrote:
> >My daughter wants a laptop; the only brand [ AFAIC ] is Apple.
> >amazon.com seems to have a fair price. Her school requires Word, for
> >some reason. {maybe because we're in X-Bill country:}
> >
> >Anyway, if anybody onlist knows of a better place to buy an online Mac
> >laptop, please drop a line.
>
> Well, students, teachers, and so forth can get about a 10% discount
> via the Apple Education stores:
>
> http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/education_routing/
>
> (And yes, while one can run FreeBSD just fine on a Macbook, Sahil is
> right that the question is off-topic for these lists. :-)
Well, considering that they asked us (and NetBSD) for clues when
they were porting OSX, it didn't seem like my post was *that*
far Off! maybe a tiny bit.
Anyway, thanks to everybody who replied onlist and off.
gary
>
> Regards,
> --
> -Chuck
>
> PS: #include
>
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[OT] Re: apple mac laptop.
On Aug 7, 2008, at 3:42 PM, Gary Kline wrote:
My daughter wants a laptop; the only brand [ AFAIC ] is Apple.
amazon.com seems to have a fair price. Her school requires Word, for
some reason. {maybe because we're in X-Bill country:}
Anyway, if anybody onlist knows of a better place to buy an online Mac
laptop, please drop a line.
Well, students, teachers, and so forth can get about a 10% discount
via the Apple Education stores:
http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/education_routing/
(And yes, while one can run FreeBSD just fine on a Macbook, Sahil is
right that the question is off-topic for these lists. :-)
Regards,
--
-Chuck
PS: #include
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