Re: [WISH] Linux kernel as drop-in replacement in FreeBSD?
cpghost wrote: Hello, since Linux' support for some hardware is better than FreeBSD's, it would be nice to have an *optional* way of running a FreeBSD system (userland, including all third party programs) on top of the Linux kernel. This would be somewhat the reverse of /boot/kernel/linux.ko, some kind of adaptation layer between Linux kernel and our libc, loader etc... If we had this feature (perhaps as a port), it would be convenient to boot into Linux kernel when FreeBSD-non-supported hardware is needed; of course keeping FreeBSD kernel as the default, high-performance optimized one for all normal cases. Perhaps someone's already working on this, but I can't find any hints or pointers to it. If I'm not mistaken, this is basically what Apple has done with OSX. They started with a Mach kernel instead of Linux, but the userland is BSD. If you're not particular about the kernel, it might be an option for you. brian -- Brian Sobolak http://www.planetshwoop.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [WISH] Linux kernel as drop-in replacement in FreeBSD?
since Linux' support for some hardware is better than FreeBSD's, it would be nice to have an *optional* way of running a FreeBSD system (userland, including all third party programs) on top of the Linux kernel. I'd prefer to have a way to use a Linux device driver with a BSD kernel. Of course, but if I understand drivers correctly, that would be nearly impossible... unless the interface between linux device drivers and the rest of the linux kernel consisted of a well defined API (perhaps it does, I don't know). Basically, a driver can access ANY data structure of the kernel, and that's why it's not trivial to combine a Linux driver with the FreeBSD kernel. If the driver is loaded with modprobe, wouldn't that have a well defined API? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [WISH] Linux kernel as drop-in replacement in FreeBSD?
That's exactly what I'm doing right now. For example when I need to use my Pinnacle DC10+ (Zoran) card, I simply reboot into Gentoo, do the capture, and then reboot into FreeBSD to run the rest of mjpegtools. Same for MIDI recording etc... or other stuff that's currently unavailable within FreeBSD. The problem with this is that there are two systems to care for: my primary FreeBSD environment, and a minimal Gentoo environment just for a few programs. There is another problem with dual-booting. FreeBSD isn't available when Linux is running, and visa-versa. If you have jobs that need to run at specific times and the machine is running the wrong OS at that time, you lose. I suspect that a lot of people only need a driver or two from Linux. Userland stuff tends to be fairly portable between BSD and Linux. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [WISH] Linux kernel as drop-in replacement in FreeBSD?
On 2006-02-08 10:29, Dieter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: since Linux' support for some hardware is better than FreeBSD's, it would be nice to have an *optional* way of running a FreeBSD system (userland, including all third party programs) on top of the Linux kernel. I'd prefer to have a way to use a Linux device driver with a BSD kernel. Of course, but if I understand drivers correctly, that would be nearly impossible... unless the interface between linux device drivers and the rest of the linux kernel consisted of a well defined API (perhaps it does, I don't know). Basically, a driver can access ANY data structure of the kernel, and that's why it's not trivial to combine a Linux driver with the FreeBSD kernel. If the driver is loaded with modprobe, wouldn't that have a well defined API? Only as far as loading unloading is concerned. Once a driver gets loaded, even before module_load() finishes some times, the driver has full access to the guts of the kernel and can wreak havoc all over the place without any serious problem :) - Giorgos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[WISH] Linux kernel as drop-in replacement in FreeBSD?
Hello, since Linux' support for some hardware is better than FreeBSD's, it would be nice to have an *optional* way of running a FreeBSD system (userland, including all third party programs) on top of the Linux kernel. This would be somewhat the reverse of /boot/kernel/linux.ko, some kind of adaptation layer between Linux kernel and our libc, loader etc... If we had this feature (perhaps as a port), it would be convenient to boot into Linux kernel when FreeBSD-non-supported hardware is needed; of course keeping FreeBSD kernel as the default, high-performance optimized one for all normal cases. Perhaps someone's already working on this, but I can't find any hints or pointers to it. Thanks, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [WISH] Linux kernel as drop-in replacement in FreeBSD?
since Linux' support for some hardware is better than FreeBSD's, it would be nice to have an *optional* way of running a FreeBSD system (userland, including all third party programs) on top of the Linux kernel. I'd prefer to have a way to use a Linux device driver with a BSD kernel. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [WISH] Linux kernel as drop-in replacement in FreeBSD?
On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 10:48:05PM +0100, cpghost wrote: Hello, since Linux' support for some hardware is better than FreeBSD's, it would be nice to have an *optional* way of running a FreeBSD system (userland, including all third party programs) on top of the Linux kernel. This would be somewhat the reverse of /boot/kernel/linux.ko, some kind of adaptation layer between Linux kernel and our libc, loader etc... If we had this feature (perhaps as a port), it would be convenient to boot into Linux kernel when FreeBSD-non-supported hardware is needed; of course keeping FreeBSD kernel as the default, high-performance optimized one for all normal cases. Perhaps someone's already working on this, but I can't find any hints or pointers to it. There's a debian project to do this, but it's not likely anything that will be merged into FreeBSD (let alone available as a port). Kris pgp1LtXqxGhlr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [WISH] Linux kernel as drop-in replacement in FreeBSD?
On 07/02/06 cpghost said: Hello, since Linux' support for some hardware is better than FreeBSD's, it would be nice to have an *optional* way of running a FreeBSD system (userland, including all third party programs) on top of the Linux kernel. Then run Gentoo Linux. It's the closest you'll get to FreeBSD in Linux land. Their portage system is basically a ports ripoff. Mike -- Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. --Albert Einstein pgpBzbQpajYDf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [WISH] Linux kernel as drop-in replacement in FreeBSD?
Hello. On 07/02/06, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 10:48:05PM +0100, cpghost wrote: since Linux' support for some hardware is better than FreeBSD's, it would be nice to have an *optional* way of running a FreeBSD system (userland, including all third party programs) on top of the Linux kernel. There's a debian project to do this, but it's not likely anything that will be merged into FreeBSD (let alone available as a port). It is my understanding that the Debian project is the opposite (running GNU/Linux userland on top of a FreeBSD kernel) of what he asked: http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/. -- (nil) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [WISH] Linux kernel as drop-in replacement in FreeBSD?
On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 02:15:40AM +0100, Urs Schroffenegger wrote: Kris Kennaway wrote: On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 10:48:05PM +0100, cpghost wrote: Hello, since Linux' support for some hardware is better than FreeBSD's, it would be nice to have an *optional* way of running a FreeBSD system (userland, including all third party programs) on top of the Linux kernel. This would be somewhat the reverse of /boot/kernel/linux.ko, some kind of adaptation layer between Linux kernel and our libc, loader etc... If we had this feature (perhaps as a port), it would be convenient to boot into Linux kernel when FreeBSD-non-supported hardware is needed; of course keeping FreeBSD kernel as the default, high-performance optimized one for all normal cases. Perhaps someone's already working on this, but I can't find any hints or pointers to it. There's a debian project to do this, but it's not likely anything that will be merged into FreeBSD (let alone available as a port). Kris IMHO, the debian project seems to be exactly the inverse of that: a freebsd kernel with GNU userland. (More info here: http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/) Sorry, you're right. I don't know of anyone working on the OP's project. Kris pgpb8bzlKFHOi.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [WISH] Linux kernel as drop-in replacement in FreeBSD?
On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 11:44:46PM -0200, Gustavo De Nardin wrote: Hello. On 07/02/06, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 10:48:05PM +0100, cpghost wrote: since Linux' support for some hardware is better than FreeBSD's, it would be nice to have an *optional* way of running a FreeBSD system (userland, including all third party programs) on top of the Linux kernel. There's a debian project to do this, but it's not likely anything that will be merged into FreeBSD (let alone available as a port). It is my understanding that the Debian project is the opposite (running GNU/Linux userland on top of a FreeBSD kernel) of what he asked: http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/. Yes, you're right. Kris pgpjFfpDp7raO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [WISH] Linux kernel as drop-in replacement in FreeBSD?
On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 02:53:57PM +, Dieter wrote: since Linux' support for some hardware is better than FreeBSD's, it would be nice to have an *optional* way of running a FreeBSD system (userland, including all third party programs) on top of the Linux kernel. I'd prefer to have a way to use a Linux device driver with a BSD kernel. Of course, but if I understand drivers correctly, that would be nearly impossible... unless the interface between linux device drivers and the rest of the linux kernel consisted of a well defined API (perhaps it does, I don't know). Basically, a driver can access ANY data structure of the kernel, and that's why it's not trivial to combine a Linux driver with the FreeBSD kernel. Thanks, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [WISH] Linux kernel as drop-in replacement in FreeBSD?
On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 07:59:27PM -0500, Michael P. Soulier wrote: On 07/02/06 cpghost said: since Linux' support for some hardware is better than FreeBSD's, it would be nice to have an *optional* way of running a FreeBSD system (userland, including all third party programs) on top of the Linux kernel. Then run Gentoo Linux. It's the closest you'll get to FreeBSD in Linux land. Their portage system is basically a ports ripoff. That's exactly what I'm doing right now. For example when I need to use my Pinnacle DC10+ (Zoran) card, I simply reboot into Gentoo, do the capture, and then reboot into FreeBSD to run the rest of mjpegtools. Same for MIDI recording etc... or other stuff that's currently unavailable within FreeBSD. The problem with this is that there are two systems to care for: my primary FreeBSD environment, and a minimal Gentoo environment just for a few programs. This is not really such a big deal, just an idea for future improvements; and perhaps an interesting new sub-project. :) Mike -- Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. --Albert Einstein Thanks, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
