RE: 3C905B-TX problems on fresh install
-Original Message- From: Dana Baguley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 11:59 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3C905B-TX problems on fresh install On 5/17/05, Dana Baguley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Ted. Exactly what I needed to know. The easiest card for me to pick up to replace it with is a realtek 8139d. Any opinion on that card or the rl driver? Just thought I'd let everyone know: I got the advice elsewhere to disable acpi and now that I've done that everything works okay. Thanks again for all the help! Except that without this problem card, acpi probably would work on your machine just fine. In short, you have cut off the left arm of your machine to support the crippled right arm? This is everything working OK? Strange definition of that to me. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 3C905B-TX problems on fresh install
Thanks, Ted. Exactly what I needed to know. The easiest card for me to pick up to replace it with is a realtek 8139d. Any opinion on that card or the rl driver? On 5/17/05, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dana, Unfortunately, the 3com 3C905b card is a rather so-so network card from a hardware point of view, and the xl driver that drives it, has had lots of fixes applied, but the driver still isn't the best driver. I happen to have a server right now using one of those cards and it's rock solid. BUT, the network card in it just happened to come out of an IBM Aptiva running Windows 98 where it gave huge amounts of trouble - I only put it in the BSD box to see what would happen. After I pulled that card out of the Aptiva I put in a cheapo Realtek and the Aptiva has been running Win 98 solid ever since. In the past we used these cards under Windows - then when those Windows boxes got too old and we started converting them to FreeBSD and Linux, we started having lots of problems similar to what you are seeing. Some machines would work fine, others not. At one point I had 3 of the cards out, all different board revisions but exact same model number, and one of the cards would work in any box under any OS, one of the cards would only work in some boxes but not others, and the last card wouldn't work in anything under either Linux or FreeBSD, it would only work under Windows. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dana Baguley Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 8:57 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: 3C905B-TX problems on fresh install Hi, I'm a FreeBSD Newbie. I've had some experience with Linux, particularly Gentoo. I'm running a computer that I've installed FreeBSD on behind a router that's connected to my DSL modem. The router provides DHCP for all the 3 computers on my home network. Everything works fine with the other computers and everything worked fine on this computer when I was running Gentoo on it. My NIC is a 3Com 3C905B-TX. My motherboard is a EPOX EP-3VBA. When I installed FreeBSD I wanted to use FTP, but the DHCP step didn't work so I installed from CD. Now whenever I boot up I get the error message xl0: watchdog timeout repeatedly when dhclient starts up, when sshd comes up, and occasionally after boot at seemingly random times. I've noticed when I get this error that my link light goes off for a little over a second. I can only ping the localhost. Also I get an error with the date, time, name of my computer, and inetd[435]: ssh/tcp: bind: Address already in use every ten minutes. netstat -rn shows 10.0.0.1 (the router) as the default gateway and 127.0.0.1 as the gateway for 10.0.0.100, the address assigned by the router. The correct MAC address for the router shows up as the gateway for 10.0.0.1. The computer shows up on the router's DHCP clients table. ifconfig -a gives me xl0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500 options=9RXCUM,VLAN_MTU inet6 fe80::210:5aff:fe09:f53e%xl0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 inet 10.0.0.100 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 10.0.0.255 ether 00:10:5a:09:f5:3e media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX full-duplex) status: no active plip0: flags=108810POINTTOPOINT,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500 lo0: flags=8049UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST mtu 16384 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff00 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3 I don't know what to do to get networking working on this computer. Any ideas? Thanks in advance for your help! Dana Baguley ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 3C905B-TX problems on fresh install
The RealTek 8139 is also an iffy card, but not in the same way the 3c905 is. With the 3c905 you have a lot of timing/driver issues to where you get different results depending on what motherboard your using it in. With the Realtek, they always work from that standpoint, the problem is that sometimes their autodetection goes haywire and you have to hard-code them to a specific speed and duplex in your ifconfig statement. They also don't have an optimal register setup and so consume more CPU to get data in and out of the card. You wouldn't use one in a FreeBSD router, but other than that, they are fine under FreeBSD. I use about 3 or 4 of them myself. Realtek also has developers who actually run FreeBSD themselves and have contributed code to the rl driver in FreeBSD, which is a 360 degrees shift from 3com's I never heard of FreeBSD and I don't want to know about it attitude. Ted -Original Message- From: Dana Baguley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:34 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3C905B-TX problems on fresh install Thanks, Ted. Exactly what I needed to know. The easiest card for me to pick up to replace it with is a realtek 8139d. Any opinion on that card or the rl driver? On 5/17/05, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dana, Unfortunately, the 3com 3C905b card is a rather so-so network card from a hardware point of view, and the xl driver that drives it, has had lots of fixes applied, but the driver still isn't the best driver. I happen to have a server right now using one of those cards and it's rock solid. BUT, the network card in it just happened to come out of an IBM Aptiva running Windows 98 where it gave huge amounts of trouble - I only put it in the BSD box to see what would happen. After I pulled that card out of the Aptiva I put in a cheapo Realtek and the Aptiva has been running Win 98 solid ever since. In the past we used these cards under Windows - then when those Windows boxes got too old and we started converting them to FreeBSD and Linux, we started having lots of problems similar to what you are seeing. Some machines would work fine, others not. At one point I had 3 of the cards out, all different board revisions but exact same model number, and one of the cards would work in any box under any OS, one of the cards would only work in some boxes but not others, and the last card wouldn't work in anything under either Linux or FreeBSD, it would only work under Windows. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dana Baguley Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 8:57 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: 3C905B-TX problems on fresh install Hi, I'm a FreeBSD Newbie. I've had some experience with Linux, particularly Gentoo. I'm running a computer that I've installed FreeBSD on behind a router that's connected to my DSL modem. The router provides DHCP for all the 3 computers on my home network. Everything works fine with the other computers and everything worked fine on this computer when I was running Gentoo on it. My NIC is a 3Com 3C905B-TX. My motherboard is a EPOX EP-3VBA. When I installed FreeBSD I wanted to use FTP, but the DHCP step didn't work so I installed from CD. Now whenever I boot up I get the error message xl0: watchdog timeout repeatedly when dhclient starts up, when sshd comes up, and occasionally after boot at seemingly random times. I've noticed when I get this error that my link light goes off for a little over a second. I can only ping the localhost. Also I get an error with the date, time, name of my computer, and inetd[435]: ssh/tcp: bind: Address already in use every ten minutes. netstat -rn shows 10.0.0.1 (the router) as the default gateway and 127.0.0.1 as the gateway for 10.0.0.100, the address assigned by the router. The correct MAC address for the router shows up as the gateway for 10.0.0.1. The computer shows up on the router's DHCP clients table. ifconfig -a gives me xl0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500 options=9RXCUM,VLAN_MTU inet6 fe80::210:5aff:fe09:f53e%xl0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 inet 10.0.0.100 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 10.0.0.255 ether 00:10:5a:09:f5:3e media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX full-duplex) status: no active plip0: flags=108810POINTTOPOINT,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500 lo0: flags=8049UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST mtu 16384 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff00 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3 I don't know what to do to get networking working on this computer. Any ideas? Thanks in advance for your help! Dana Baguley
Re: 3C905B-TX problems on fresh install
Thanks, Ted. Exactly what I needed to know. The easiest card for me to pick up to replace it with is a realtek 8139d. Any opinion on that card or the rl driver? lately I tend to go for intel when it is a production machine. But I still have some 3c905 floating around. Olivier ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 3C905B-TX problems on fresh install
On Tue, 17 May 2005 22:44:38 -0700 Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The RealTek 8139 is also an iffy card, but not in the same way the 3c905 is. With the 3c905 you have a lot of timing/driver issues to where you get different results depending on what motherboard your using it in. With the Realtek, they always work from that standpoint, the problem is that sometimes their autodetection goes haywire and you have to hard-code them to a specific speed and duplex in your ifconfig statement. They also don't have an optimal register setup and so consume more CPU to get data in and out of the card. You wouldn't use one in a FreeBSD router, but other than that, they are fine under FreeBSD. I use about 3 or 4 of them myself. And some of the rl cards (the older ones from my experience) have the nasty habit of blocking themselves after some time. I have a cron job the ifconfigs down and up each 4 hours to resolve that. -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD user ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 3C905B-TX problems on fresh install
On 5/17/05, Dana Baguley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Ted. Exactly what I needed to know. The easiest card for me to pick up to replace it with is a realtek 8139d. Any opinion on that card or the rl driver? Just thought I'd let everyone know: I got the advice elsewhere to disable acpi and now that I've done that everything works okay. Thanks again for all the help! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
3C905B-TX problems on fresh install
Hi, I'm a FreeBSD Newbie. I've had some experience with Linux, particularly Gentoo. I'm running a computer that I've installed FreeBSD on behind a router that's connected to my DSL modem. The router provides DHCP for all the 3 computers on my home network. Everything works fine with the other computers and everything worked fine on this computer when I was running Gentoo on it. My NIC is a 3Com 3C905B-TX. My motherboard is a EPOX EP-3VBA. When I installed FreeBSD I wanted to use FTP, but the DHCP step didn't work so I installed from CD. Now whenever I boot up I get the error message xl0: watchdog timeout repeatedly when dhclient starts up, when sshd comes up, and occasionally after boot at seemingly random times. I've noticed when I get this error that my link light goes off for a little over a second. I can only ping the localhost. Also I get an error with the date, time, name of my computer, and inetd[435]: ssh/tcp: bind: Address already in use every ten minutes. netstat -rn shows 10.0.0.1 (the router) as the default gateway and 127.0.0.1 as the gateway for 10.0.0.100, the address assigned by the router. The correct MAC address for the router shows up as the gateway for 10.0.0.1. The computer shows up on the router's DHCP clients table. ifconfig -a gives me xl0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500 options=9RXCUM,VLAN_MTU inet6 fe80::210:5aff:fe09:f53e%xl0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 inet 10.0.0.100 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 10.0.0.255 ether 00:10:5a:09:f5:3e media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX full-duplex) status: no active plip0: flags=108810POINTTOPOINT,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500 lo0: flags=8049UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST mtu 16384 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff00 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3 I don't know what to do to get networking working on this computer. Any ideas? Thanks in advance for your help! Dana Baguley ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 3C905B-TX problems on fresh install
Hi Dana, Unfortunately, the 3com 3C905b card is a rather so-so network card from a hardware point of view, and the xl driver that drives it, has had lots of fixes applied, but the driver still isn't the best driver. I happen to have a server right now using one of those cards and it's rock solid. BUT, the network card in it just happened to come out of an IBM Aptiva running Windows 98 where it gave huge amounts of trouble - I only put it in the BSD box to see what would happen. After I pulled that card out of the Aptiva I put in a cheapo Realtek and the Aptiva has been running Win 98 solid ever since. In the past we used these cards under Windows - then when those Windows boxes got too old and we started converting them to FreeBSD and Linux, we started having lots of problems similar to what you are seeing. Some machines would work fine, others not. At one point I had 3 of the cards out, all different board revisions but exact same model number, and one of the cards would work in any box under any OS, one of the cards would only work in some boxes but not others, and the last card wouldn't work in anything under either Linux or FreeBSD, it would only work under Windows. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dana Baguley Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 8:57 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: 3C905B-TX problems on fresh install Hi, I'm a FreeBSD Newbie. I've had some experience with Linux, particularly Gentoo. I'm running a computer that I've installed FreeBSD on behind a router that's connected to my DSL modem. The router provides DHCP for all the 3 computers on my home network. Everything works fine with the other computers and everything worked fine on this computer when I was running Gentoo on it. My NIC is a 3Com 3C905B-TX. My motherboard is a EPOX EP-3VBA. When I installed FreeBSD I wanted to use FTP, but the DHCP step didn't work so I installed from CD. Now whenever I boot up I get the error message xl0: watchdog timeout repeatedly when dhclient starts up, when sshd comes up, and occasionally after boot at seemingly random times. I've noticed when I get this error that my link light goes off for a little over a second. I can only ping the localhost. Also I get an error with the date, time, name of my computer, and inetd[435]: ssh/tcp: bind: Address already in use every ten minutes. netstat -rn shows 10.0.0.1 (the router) as the default gateway and 127.0.0.1 as the gateway for 10.0.0.100, the address assigned by the router. The correct MAC address for the router shows up as the gateway for 10.0.0.1. The computer shows up on the router's DHCP clients table. ifconfig -a gives me xl0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500 options=9RXCUM,VLAN_MTU inet6 fe80::210:5aff:fe09:f53e%xl0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 inet 10.0.0.100 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 10.0.0.255 ether 00:10:5a:09:f5:3e media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX full-duplex) status: no active plip0: flags=108810POINTTOPOINT,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500 lo0: flags=8049UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST mtu 16384 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff00 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3 I don't know what to do to get networking working on this computer. Any ideas? Thanks in advance for your help! Dana Baguley ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
