Re: A script for poets
Urs Schroffenegger wrote: To make an independent rhyming dictionnary program, I think you basically need to have a list of words written phonetically and with syllabes separation. After that, it's only a search function to find the matching pattern. The difficult part is to get the phonetic data. Isn't this sort of thing (word list with phonetic data) built into aspell's dictionaries? Also, whatever Thunderbird 1.5 is doing for spell checking is clearly doing some rather sophisticated phonetic matching (based on what I've seen it try to do lately with people's last names that it doesn't recognize). I'm sure there must be other OSS applications out there whose sources would at least provide clues on how to proceed, if not a handily packaged solution. PS re: the spam poetry submission... funny! For more random poetry fun, Google for the Shakespearian insult generator (several versions exist). -- Greg Barniskis, Computer Systems Integrator South Central Library System (SCLS) Library Interchange Network (LINK) , (608) 266-6348 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: A script for poets
Kristian Vaaf wrote: Thank you all for your interesting replies! Though I did not mean to ask for advice on a script that would generate texts for you. I mean, that's impossible. However, using http://www.rhymer.com, it would do something like this. 1 is for End rhymes 2 is for Last syllable rhymes 3 is for Double rhymes 4 is for Beginning rhymes 5 is for First syllable rhymes ([EMAIL PROTECTED])(16:23:02/10/06) (%:~) rhymer free 1 End rhymes for "free": abbey, ably, [snippy], zuni Would this be possible? You could try to send the post request of their form from a language like python and see what comes back, but i'm not sure they'd appreciate you using their site without passing through their form and injecting requests in their CGI. It's some sort of hacking... To make an independent rhyming dictionnary program, I think you basically need to have a list of words written phonetically and with syllabes separation. After that, it's only a search function to find the matching pattern. The difficult part is to get the phonetic data. All the best, Vaaf urs ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: A script for poets
This doesn't help with rhyming, but it's fun to strip off the subjects of spam, and later manually choose out the ones you like. Begging people's indulgence, here's one spam poem. I call it "Where Do Dark Circles Lie?" Where Do Dark Circles Lie? dish dominate newborn programmer archetypal gaiety chantilly spleen bloodshed rivet miterwort destitute bacon tobacco camera prophylactic winnipeg apathetic chablis scanty house windings holy cow mr green look rich now get rich later don't tell your spouse you need viagra kinky shemales there's the whole. and when this. Earth is not round! It's dirty! edge my allow out a human a wrong [so strong the plan then gone no doubt] neutron lithium daniel Please help in saving my soul! Angels Part - mutinies Part - umpire-Inverness You No longer need drugs to get an Erectlon -- I think these silly "poems" are pleasingly absurb and surrealistic. Also I don't think English is particularly imperialistic in taking from other languages. First, I don't think we can anthropomorphize language, and second, there are lots of other examples. (Some might hold that language is supremely subject to anthropomorphism, but that argument would be seriously off-topic!) Marianne newbie reading the list prior to installing FreeBSD ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: A script for poets
Thank you all for your interesting replies! Though I did not mean to ask for advice on a script that would generate texts for you. I mean, that's impossible. However, using http://www.rhymer.com, it would do something like this. 1 is for End rhymes 2 is for Last syllable rhymes 3 is for Double rhymes 4 is for Beginning rhymes 5 is for First syllable rhymes ([EMAIL PROTECTED])(16:23:02/10/06) (%:~) rhymer free 1 End rhymes for "free": abbey, ably, achy, acme, acne, aerie, agree, airy, algae, alley, amply, amy, andy, angry, ante, anti, antsy, any, aptly, army, arty, ashy, aurae, aussie, awfully, baby, badly, baggy, bailee, bailey, bailie, baldly, bali, balky, balmy, bandy, banshee, banti, barely, barky, barley, batty, bawdry, bawdy, be, beachy, beady, beanie, beastly, beauty, bee, beefy, beery, belfry, belly, benny, berkeley, berry, betty, bevy, biddy, biggie, billy, birdie, bitchy, bitsy, bitty, blackly, blandly, blankly, blarney, bleakly, bleary, blindly, blistery, blithely, blocky, bloody, bloomy, blotchy, blowsy, blowy, blowzy, bluey, bluntly, blurry, blustery, bobby, body, bogey, boggy, bogy, boise, boldly, bonnie, bonny, bony, booby, boogie, bookie, bootee, booty, boozy, bosky, bossy, botany, botchy, bougie, bouncy, boundary, bounty, bowery, bowie, brainy, brambly, brandy, brashly, brassie, brassy, bratty, bravely, brawly, brawny, breathy, breezy, bribee, briefly, briery, brightly, briny, briskly, bristly, broadly, bronzy, broody, broomy, brothy, brownie, bruskly, brusquely, bubbly, buddy, buffy, buggy, bulgy, bulky, bully, bumpy, bunchy, bunny, buoy, burley, burly, burry, bury, busby, bushy, busty, busy, cabby, caddie, caddy, cadre, cagey, calmly, campi, campy, candy, canny, carefree, carny, carrie, carry, catchy, catty, cb, cc, cd, chalky, chamois, chancy, chargee, charley, charlie, chassis, chastely, chatty, cheaply, cheeky, cheery, cheesy, cherry, chesty, chewy, chichi, chickpea, chiefly, chile, chili, chilly, chimney, chintzy, chippy, chloe, choicely, choky, choosey, choosy, choppy, christie, christly, chubby, chuffy, chummy, chunky, chutney, city, clammy, classy, clayey, cleanly, clearly, clergy, clerkly, clingy, cliquey, cloddy, cloggy, closely, clotty, cloudy, clumpy, clumsy, clunky, coarsely, cockney, cocky, coffee, coldly, collie, comely, comfy, commie, coney, connie, cony, cookie, cooley, coolie, coolly, cootie, copy, corky, corny, corrie, costly, coulee, country, county, courtly, covey, cowrie, cowry, coyly, cozy, crabby, crackly, crafty, craggy, cranky, cranny, crappie, crappy, crassly, crawly, crazy, creaky, creamy, cree, creepy, crinkly, crisply, crispy, croaky, crony, crosby, crossly, croupy, cruddy, crudely, cruelly, crumbly, crumby, crummy, crunchy, crusty, cubby, cuddly, cuddy, curie, curly, curry, curtly, curtsey, curtsy, curvy, cushy, cutely, cutesy, cutey, cutie, daddy, daffy, daftly, daily, dainty, dairy, daisy, dally, damply, dandy, dankly, darkly, deadly, deafly, dearie, dearly, deathly, debbie, debris, debtee, decree, deeply, deftly, degree, delhi, deli, dempsey, densely, derby, dewy, dickey, dilly, dimly, dimply, dinghy, dingy, dinkey, dinky, dippy, direly, dirty, disney, ditty, divvy, dixie, dizzy, dodgy, doggie, doggy, dogie, doily, dolby, dolly, donkey, dopey, dotty, doubly, doughy, dourly, dowdy, downy, dowry, doxy, dozy, drably, draftee, drafty, draggy, draughty, drawee, dreamy, dreary, dressy, drifty, drily, drippy, drizzly, droopy, dropsy, drossy, drowsy, druggie, druggy, dryly, duchy, ducky, duddie, duddy, duffy, dully, duly, dumbly, dummy, dumpy, dusky, dusty, duty, early, earthly, earthy, easy, eddy, edgy, eely, eerie, eery, eighty, emcee, emmy, empty, ennui, entry, envy, erie, esprit, every, faintly, fairly, fairy, falsely, falsie, fancy, fanny, farcy, fatly, fatty, faulty, fee, feebly, feisty, ferny, ferry, fiercely, fiery, fifty, fiji, filly, filmy, filthy, finely, finny, firmly, firstly, fishy, fitly, fizzy, flabby, flaky, flappy, flashy, flatly, flaunty, flaxy, flea, flecky, flee, fleecy, fleetly, fleshly, fleshy, flighty, flimsy, flinty, flirty, floaty, flooey, floosie, floozie, floozy, floppy, flossy, flouncy, flowery, fluffy, fluky, flunkey, flunky, flurry, fluty, foamy, foggy, fogy, folksy, folly, fondly, foresee, forky, forty, foully, foundry, fourthly, foxy, frankly, freaky, freckly, free, freebie, freely, frenzy, freshly, friday, friendly, frilly, frisbee, frisky, frizzly, frizzy, frosty, frothy, frowsy, frowzy, fruity, frumpy, fuddy, fully, fumy, fundy, funky, funny, furry, fury, fusee, fussy, fusty, fuzzy, gabby, gaily, galley, gamely, gamey, gamy, gandhi, gangly, gantry, gassy, gatsby, gaudy, gauntly, gauzy, gawky, gee, genie, gently, gentry, germfree, germy, ghastly, ghostly, ghosty, giddy, giggly, gimpy, gipsy, gladly, glairy, glary, glassy, gleamy, glee, gleety, glibly, glitzy, gloomy, glory, glossy, gluey, glumly, gnarly, goalie, goatee, gobi, goby, godly, golly, goodie, go
Re: A script for poets
Kristian Vaaf wrote: Hello! Again with my script requests, this time I'm wondering if anybody has ever felt like writing a shell script that makes it easy to write rhymes, poems or just make up funny lines. http://www.rhymer.com is a great place, but unfortunately it requires a browser. Or maybe this is a feature that extends beyond the purpose of shell scripting, and that maybe for such I should start looking into languages like Ruby? Hoping for generous expert advise. Thank you, peasants and poets :) Vaaf (wuff) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" Hmm, maybe you could use LWP (libwww-perl) to execute search queries to a site like rhyme.poetry.com and then get the results in an array and do whatever you want with the output. Basically LWP is capable of printing out the raw HTML format, so a little bit of handy dandy perl functions would help a lot. LWP is a very nice perl module, and I suggest you look into that if you want to use an existing site to get your rhymes out. Cheers, Jorn ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: A script for poets
On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 04:49:47PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 2/8/06, Gary Kline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 08:29:21PM +0100, Kristian Vaaf wrote: > > > Again with my script requests, this time I'm wondering if anybody > > > has ever felt like writing a shell script that makes it easy to write > > > rhymes, > > > poems or just make up funny lines. > > As below, but textproc/dadadodo is about it so > far as meaningfulness in computer generated > text can get. > > > > > This may dovetail into something I was actively working on > > several years ago: a C/C++ program that took unmetered text > > as input and output N-syllabic lines as output. > > > . . . > > Quite the task, that. Reading Spenser, Shakespeare, > and older metrical and rhyming poetry can give you > an indication of how difficult even the bland, mechanical > regurgiation of poetry can be: > Most words ending in -ed have one more syllable than > we usually enunciate. > Room and Rome can rhyme. > Wawain, Gawain, Gawaine are exactly the same person. > > Most of this can be scripted around, double entries in > the syllabary for possible pronunciations and known > obscure rhymes, etc. Still leaves no way to innovate > structure that's not coded in. > Anyway, this gets into AI, and as jwz points out, most of > modern AI research is fairly intellectually dishonest. > Yeh, given the way the English has stolen, borrowed words from Everywhere--and still is--it just makes sense to spend a few years taking poetry classes than invest decades trying to invent an AI tool. Poetry, creativity, philosophy (for starters) are just a few areas where we poor humans still beat any program. Thanks the gods. gary PS: among my Jottings stuff I dreamed up something like: "the reign of depression" ... . AI? Foo! > -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public service Unix ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: A script for poets
Kind of reminds me of the time I took an eggdrop bot for IRC, added a HAL "AI" script to it, then fed it a bunch of lines of poetry by various artists, and got amazed at its output when various users joined the channel and began chatting. At one point a new user joined the channel, said his gratuatous hello's and the like and began chatting with the bot never realizing it was a bot.. I had that bot for a few years before I lost it. And had the log file for good measure and humour. I always wished to try and recreate that bot, sure was entertaining, and for a while was quite adept at creating/hashing together some interesting lines of poetry mixed in from the AI HAL bot had learned from others conversations.. Enjoy the day! Unix forever.. JSP On Thursday 09 February 2006 05:27 am, cpghost wrote: > On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 12:44:00PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 08:29:21PM +0100, Kristian Vaaf wrote: > >> Again with my script requests, this time I'm wondering if anybody > >> has ever felt like writing a shell script that makes it easy to write > >> rhymes, > >> poems or just make up funny lines. > > You mean something like this to group words by endings? > > % rev /usr/share/dict/words | sort | rev > > > This may dovetail into something I was actively working on > > several years ago: a C/C++ program that took unmetered text > > as input and output N-syllabic lines as output. > > Interesting. > > > I created a dictionary of thousands of words with one, two, > > three, or more syllabes in my database. I played around > > with this idea until I realized that "real" poetry demands > > imagery (metaphor, simile), and not simply meter or rhyme. > > After 7 years of my writing group I've learned how DIFFICULT > > it is to write a good poem. Or prose. > > Absolutely! > > >Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public service > > Unix > > Regards, > -cpghost. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: A script for poets
On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 12:44:00PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 08:29:21PM +0100, Kristian Vaaf wrote: >> Again with my script requests, this time I'm wondering if anybody >> has ever felt like writing a shell script that makes it easy to write >> rhymes, >> poems or just make up funny lines. You mean something like this to group words by endings? % rev /usr/share/dict/words | sort | rev > This may dovetail into something I was actively working on > several years ago: a C/C++ program that took unmetered text > as input and output N-syllabic lines as output. Interesting. > I created a dictionary of thousands of words with one, two, > three, or more syllabes in my database. I played around > with this idea until I realized that "real" poetry demands > imagery (metaphor, simile), and not simply meter or rhyme. > After 7 years of my writing group I've learned how DIFFICULT > it is to write a good poem. Or prose. Absolutely! >Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public service Unix Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: A script for poets
Kristian Vaaf wrote: Hello! Again with my script requests, this time I'm wondering if anybody has ever felt like writing a shell script that makes it easy to write rhymes, poems or just make up funny lines. http://www.rhymer.com is a great place, but unfortunately it requires a browser. Or maybe this is a feature that extends beyond the purpose of shell scripting, and that maybe for such I should start looking into languages like Ruby? Hoping for generous expert advise. Thank you, peasants and poets :) Vaaf (wuff) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" Hello, writing sentences isn't an easy task for a program, because you need some understanding of the meaning of the sentence and some times a good grab of the peculiar grammar quirks of a language. Have a look at google translate to have an example of the results :-D A rhyming dictionnary should be possible to do, with a database of syllabes and pronunciation, but you need to fill the database first... For writing funny sentences, have a look at the "polygen" program: it writes sentences according to a defined grammar: http://freshmeat.net/projects/polygen/ I know it has a debian package and works under macosx and windows, so I don't think there should be problems compiling it under freebsd. The main site is in italian, though, I haven't found an english version. urs ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: A script for poets
Kristian Vaaf wrote: Hello! Again with my script requests, this time I'm wondering if anybody has ever felt like writing a shell script that makes it easy to write rhymes, poems or just make up funny lines. http://www.rhymer.com is a great place, but unfortunately it requires a browser. Or maybe this is a feature that extends beyond the purpose of shell scripting, and that maybe for such I should start looking into languages like Ruby? Hoping for generous expert advise. Thank you, peasants and poets :) Vaaf (wuff) Hello, writing sentences isn't an easy task for a program, because you need some understanding of the meaning of the sentence and some times a good grab of the peculiar grammar quirks of a language. Have a look at google translate to have an example of the results :-D A rhyming dictionnary should be possible to do, with a database of syllabes and pronunciation, but you need to fill the database first... For writing funny sentences, have a look at the "polygen" program: it writes sentences according to a defined grammar: http://freshmeat.net/projects/polygen/ I know it has a debian package and works under macosx and windows, so I don't think there should be problems compiling it under freebsd. The main site is in italian, though, I haven't found an english version. urs ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: A script for poets
On 2/8/06, Gary Kline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 08:29:21PM +0100, Kristian Vaaf wrote: > > Again with my script requests, this time I'm wondering if anybody > > has ever felt like writing a shell script that makes it easy to write > > rhymes, > > poems or just make up funny lines. As below, but textproc/dadadodo is about it so far as meaningfulness in computer generated text can get. > > This may dovetail into something I was actively working on > several years ago: a C/C++ program that took unmetered text > as input and output N-syllabic lines as output. > . . . Quite the task, that. Reading Spenser, Shakespeare, and older metrical and rhyming poetry can give you an indication of how difficult even the bland, mechanical regurgiation of poetry can be: Most words ending in -ed have one more syllable than we usually enunciate. Room and Rome can rhyme. Wawain, Gawain, Gawaine are exactly the same person. Most of this can be scripted around, double entries in the syllabary for possible pronunciations and known obscure rhymes, etc. Still leaves no way to innovate structure that's not coded in. Anyway, this gets into AI, and as jwz points out, most of modern AI research is fairly intellectually dishonest. -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: A script for poets
On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 08:29:21PM +0100, Kristian Vaaf wrote: > > Hello! > > Again with my script requests, this time I'm wondering if anybody > has ever felt like writing a shell script that makes it easy to write > rhymes, > poems or just make up funny lines. > > http://www.rhymer.com is a great place, but unfortunately it requires > a browser. > > Or maybe this is a feature that extends beyond the purpose of shell > scripting, > and that maybe for such I should start looking into languages like Ruby? > > Hoping for generous expert advise. This may dovetail into something I was actively working on several years ago: a C/C++ program that took unmetered text as input and output N-syllabic lines as output. I created a dictionary of thousands of words with one, two, three, or more syllabes in my database. I played around with this idea until I realized that "real" poetry demands imagery (metaphor, simile), and not simply meter or rhyme. After 7 years of my writing group I've learned how DIFFICULT it is to write a good poem. Or prose. > > Thank you, peasants and poets :) I'm closer to being a peasant that poet. "I ain't no poet And I know it." gary > > Vaaf (wuff) > -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public service Unix ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
A script for poets
Hello! Again with my script requests, this time I'm wondering if anybody has ever felt like writing a shell script that makes it easy to write rhymes, poems or just make up funny lines. http://www.rhymer.com is a great place, but unfortunately it requires a browser. Or maybe this is a feature that extends beyond the purpose of shell scripting, and that maybe for such I should start looking into languages like Ruby? Hoping for generous expert advise. Thank you, peasants and poets :) Vaaf (wuff) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
