Re: ANNOUNCE: Custom GNOME-based FreeBSD iso released

2009-07-01 Thread Sergio de Almeida Lenzi
Em Qua, 2009-07-01 às 13:51 -0400, Trey Sizemore escreveu:

> On Tue Jun 30, 2009 09:45AM, Tim Judd wrote:
> > On 6/30/09, Andrew Gould  wrote:
> > > 2009/6/30 Manolis Kiagias :
> > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > >> Hash: SHA1
> > >>
> > >> Hey all,
> > >>
> > >> Continuing the effort in producing custom FreeBSD builds, I am pleased
> > >> to announce a GNOME-based one.
> > >> This includes a complete GNOME 2.26.2 desktop and also the
> > >> gnome-power-tools and gnome-fifth-toe package collections.
> > >>
> > >> As always, feedback is welcome.

Humm ... interesting...

I am doing the same thing here (for personal use), 
besides gnome2-fith-toe, and power-tools,
ARCH is AMD64
I have:
totem-xine (better because of snapshot, and zoom in/out)
ffmpeg svn (better libavcodec)
dvdstyler 1.7, with wxsvg 1.0R, and ffmpeg svn (new features, new option
menus and navigation tools)
mencode, mplayer last release (linked against libavcodec, faster, and
with swscale, in ffmeg)
pgadmin3 (linked to work with UTF8)
glib20 patched to solve the evolution slow start.
mono 2.4.2 and companies (monodevelop, gnome-subtitles...)
jdk1.6p14  (java 1.6 last bsd patches)
openoffice 3.2  M50 (last patches from openoffice team
avidemux 2.4.2  (better and faster, with last seamonkey software)
epiphany linked agains the webkit-gtk (works better for me than the
firefox2 render engine)
Linux 2.4.2 and F8 (you choose)
Flashplugin9 running on AMD64 with few cpu overhead
ZFS BASED rootFS , with var, usr, tmp on ZFS too
GDM version 1.8 whtin the old tools (gdmsetup, conf files)
Xorg last version with working HAL and DBUS  (including mouse and
keyboard mapping).
If there is interest in the FreeBSD community I will try to put an image
in internet   (ONE pkg_add installs them all).

Hope is usefull,

Sérgio




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Re: ANNOUNCE: Custom GNOME-based FreeBSD iso released

2009-07-01 Thread Trey Sizemore
On Tue Jun 30, 2009 09:45AM, Tim Judd wrote:
> On 6/30/09, Andrew Gould  wrote:
> > 2009/6/30 Manolis Kiagias :
> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> >> Hash: SHA1
> >>
> >> Hey all,
> >>
> >> Continuing the effort in producing custom FreeBSD builds, I am pleased
> >> to announce a GNOME-based one.
> >> This includes a complete GNOME 2.26.2 desktop and also the
> >> gnome-power-tools and gnome-fifth-toe package collections.
> >>
> >> As always, feedback is welcome.
> >>
> >> Manolis Kiagias
> >
> > It would be interesting to see how much demand exists for an
> > installation DVD with KDE 3.5.  (KDE lost a large amount of voter
> > share in Linux Journal's last Readers' Choice Awards.)
> >
> > Does anyone know how long KDE 3.5 will be available in the ports?
> > (Expecting its eventual demise, I switched to Gnome, then to XFCE4.)
> >
> > Andrew
> 
> 
> When I run KDE, I run KDE4.  I'm not asking for someone to generate a
> KDE3.5 or KDE4 install medium, but where is the line?
> 
> If we make XFCE4, and Gnome2.26, why not Enlightenment, Blackbox,
> KDE3.5, KDE4, etc etc etc?
> 
> 
> 
> Earlier, I made hints at a webGUI install (the install medium would
> boot into X, basic setup (VESA driver @1024x768, 24 [or 16bit]
> depth)), run firefox or another lightweight browser (even lynx in the
> console if X fails to start) on it's own filesystem or over apache.
> Once network configuration is done, you can pull the data sets for
> your choice of WM from the internet.
> 
> 
> I think this has potential, and would offer making it (already started
> on it), but I think my statements went on deaf ears when addressed to
> the broad public.
> 
> So I'll ask again if anyone else would be interested in this.  The
> advantage is that on this webGUI install, you can offer it (secured of
> course) over the internet for someone more technical to do the install
> or configuring, including the same post-install configuration that
> sysinstall offers.
> 
> 
> 
> Anybody else think it's a good idea?  Willing to take suggestions.
> Would satisfy my "designing" and "creativity" mindset I'm in right
> now.

I would definitely like to see something like this.

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Re: WebInstaller (was: Re: ANNOUNCE: Custom GNOME-based FreeBSD iso released)

2009-06-30 Thread Polytropon
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:41:46 -0600, Tim Judd  wrote:
> A 800x600 resolution is just too crowded when you try to make a system
> on it. 

It's no problem when you run the browser without title line, menu bar,
icon bar, other bars, and status line. You don't need to make all
the text in 100pt letters. :-)



> I think there's more 1024x768 resolutions than 800x600. 

Don't assume anything. Test for it.



> If
> 1024x768 doesn't work, we revert back to a console tty?  I have said
> nothing firm as in "it's this way or no way"..  I'm just trying to see
> reasonable defaults.

Default = use what's present - the easiest way in my opinion.



> And I didn't mention dillo because I don't use it or have ever seen
> it.  "lightweight" to me is lynx. 

Yes, complete agree.



> > A kind of "preview screenshot" would be good - you know, users judge
> > from first sight primarily. :-)
> >
> 
> Nice point.  I'll have to think of a way to get this considered.  a
> JPG would be nice, up until the X fails to start.  :D

You know HTML? img src="some_image.jpg" alt="image of XFCE desktop"
longdesc="The XFCE desktop looks very nice, it has lots of icons,
and some windows are opened." :-)



> I need input here:
>   If said chosen WM is unsatisfactory to the user, how the heck can I
> offer a reconfiguration window?  sysinstall was built with a different
> mindset, so we can't easily use sysinstall.

Selection of window manager is usually done through user's .xinitrc.
In case of xdm used, .xsession (which can incorporate .xinitrc).
Doesn't work for KDE and Gnome because they bring their own
replacements for xdm, i. e. kdm and gdm; all of them involve
changes in /etc/ttys.



> > Yes, if you include WindowMaker and support for a Sun keyboard. :-)
> > No, honestly; as much as I think you are bringing a good idea into
> > life, I prefer to completely install systems myself. The chance
> > that anything that I do not need to be included is too high. Of
> > course, you are aware that you cannot cater all kinds of intentions
> > with only one solution, that's impossible. But as I said, that's
> > only my own, unimportant point of view.
> 
> WindowMaker?  sure.  Sun keyboard?  no, absolutely not.  My way, or no way.  
> :D

I've got a 122 key IBM model M, too. How about that? :-)



> what do you mean by "completely install systems myself"  -- that's
> what you're doing.  You're installing a -RELEASE aren't you?  you're
> installing a software kit that will eventually be referred to a
> package once it's stored on your system...  Gets a big chunk out of
> the way.

Exactly. I usually go with the install CD for the base system, then
pkg_add -r for the applications. Compile only for mplayer (due to
options). Then some configuration work (usually done with samples
from previous systems), and then use. Install once, use then. I
know this makes me look like a very lazy guy. :-)



> Personally, and this is for the archives, when I setup a box.  I like
> it to be up quick. 

If I want this, I simply take an already installed system, use dump
and restore, and then do the changes that are neccessary, like
reconfiguring X and network settings. As I said, I'm lazy, and this
way is quite fast.



> install -RELEASE.  freebsd-update.  pkg_add -r
> . port{upgrade,master}.  Now you have a functioning install
> in less time than windows takes to install and update.  :D

Yes, that is true. And it will continue working much longer than
"Windows" will even exist.





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Re: ANNOUNCE: Custom GNOME-based FreeBSD iso released

2009-06-30 Thread ras

Manolis Kiagias wrote:

ras wrote:
  

Manolis Kiagias wrote:


-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hey all,

Continuing the effort in producing custom FreeBSD builds, I am pleased
to announce a GNOME-based one.

  
  

hi, is this like a normal freebsd install + gnome, or OS with custom
system setup, automatic updates and such? (either is fine, not
complaining, just curious before i dl)



Yes, like standard FreeBSD disc, sysinstall and all. The only
differences are a) the selection of packages (different - more recent
versions)  b) the base system is 7.2-RELEASE-p2

  

thanks. meanwhile i read some info on the site and got the general idea.
i am thinking this will be very handy for installing fbsd on my netbook, 
compaq mini.

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WebInstaller (was: Re: ANNOUNCE: Custom GNOME-based FreeBSD iso released)

2009-06-30 Thread Tim Judd
On 6/30/09, Polytropon  wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:45:32 -0600, Tim Judd  wrote:
>> Earlier, I made hints at a webGUI install (the install medium would
>> boot into X, basic setup (VESA driver @1024x768, 24 [or 16bit]
>> depth)),
>
> Why not a choice, 800x600 for laptops with smaller screen (or
> in 16:9 format for "modern" laptops) - or try to autodetect what
> is REALLY on the screen (instead of assuming a "standard")?
> Just a polite idea.
>


A 800x600 resolution is just too crowded when you try to make a system
on it.  I think there's more 1024x768 resolutions than 800x600.  If
1024x768 doesn't work, we revert back to a console tty?  I have said
nothing firm as in "it's this way or no way"..  I'm just trying to see
reasonable defaults.


>
>
>> run firefox or another lightweight browser
>
> You're a funny guy. :-)
>
> When talking about lightweight browser in X, strangely "dillo" comes
> to my mind. Yes, I know, it's quite limited, but...

And I didn't mention dillo because I don't use it or have ever seen
it.  "lightweight" to me is lynx.  Standard is Opera, and
"commonplace" is Firefox.  I also have to take consideration for the
scripting (if any) the installer does has to be supported by the
javascript engine in the browser.  So the off-the-wall browsers who
aren't up with the rest of the big boys are likely to cause problems.
Again, ideas and suggestions all around.  Hrm..  maybe I should open
up a poll/voting website that would allow this.



>
>
>
>> (even lynx in the
>> console if X fails to start)
>
> Very good idea.
>
>
>
>> on it's own filesystem or over apache.
>> Once network configuration is done, you can pull the data sets for
>> your choice of WM from the internet.
>
> A kind of "preview screenshot" would be good - you know, users judge
> from first sight primarily. :-)
>

Nice point.  I'll have to think of a way to get this considered.  a
JPG would be nice, up until the X fails to start.  :D


I need input here:
  If said chosen WM is unsatisfactory to the user, how the heck can I
offer a reconfiguration window?  sysinstall was built with a different
mindset, so we can't easily use sysinstall.

  If we boot off CD, we run off CD and install base off CD and WM off
Internet.  Post install config would be what..  Internet web/gui
based?  that is, the REAL Internet?  Options, brainstorming please.


>
>
>> I think this has potential, and would offer making it (already started
>> on it), but I think my statements went on deaf ears when addressed to
>> the broad public.
>
> Hmmm... I don't think so. In my opinion, it's a very good idea.
> You're offering functionality (like "preinstalled and preconfigured")
> in a matter that only PC-BSD serves today, and for PC-BSD, you need
> quite modern hardware. It's not usable for older systems, and you
> know how fast today's systems are considered "older".
>

well, a project like s...@home that compiles desktop environments that
stores on a central server is a dream in the works, will that work?  i
don't know enough programming to make that work.  :(

>
>
>> So I'll ask again if anyone else would be interested in this.
>
> Yes, if you include WindowMaker and support for a Sun keyboard. :-)
> No, honestly; as much as I think you are bringing a good idea into
> life, I prefer to completely install systems myself. The chance
> that anything that I do not need to be included is too high. Of
> course, you are aware that you cannot cater all kinds of intentions
> with only one solution, that's impossible. But as I said, that's
> only my own, unimportant point of view.

WindowMaker?  sure.  Sun keyboard?  no, absolutely not.  My way, or no way.  :D


what do you mean by "completely install systems myself"  -- that's
what you're doing.  You're installing a -RELEASE aren't you?  you're
installing a software kit that will eventually be referred to a
package once it's stored on your system...  Gets a big chunk out of
the way.

Personally, and this is for the archives, when I setup a box.  I like
it to be up quick.  install -RELEASE.  freebsd-update.  pkg_add -r
. port{upgrade,master}.  Now you have a functioning install
in less time than windows takes to install and update.  :D



>
>
>
>> The
>> advantage is that on this webGUI install, you can offer it (secured of
>> course) over the internet for someone more technical to do the install
>> or configuring, including the same post-install configuration that
>> sysinstall offers.
>
> This would be very interesting as long as it does not require too
> much additional services to be included and run.
>

http Basic authentication, maybe over a self-signed SSL connection.
It's not like a VPN, with certificates, blowfish encryption.  It's a
limited life system that needs to be as secure as long as it takes to
install.

>
>
>> Anybody else think it's a good idea?
>
> At least an interesting idea, and this is what counts. "Good" is
> always defined from the viewer's site.
>
>

Very good point.  pun intended.

:)  

Re: ANNOUNCE: Custom GNOME-based FreeBSD iso released

2009-06-30 Thread Manolis Kiagias
ras wrote:
> Manolis Kiagias wrote:
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> Continuing the effort in producing custom FreeBSD builds, I am pleased
>> to announce a GNOME-based one.
>>
>>   
> hi, is this like a normal freebsd install + gnome, or OS with custom
> system setup, automatic updates and such? (either is fine, not
> complaining, just curious before i dl)

Yes, like standard FreeBSD disc, sysinstall and all. The only
differences are a) the selection of packages (different - more recent
versions)  b) the base system is 7.2-RELEASE-p2
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Re: ANNOUNCE: Custom GNOME-based FreeBSD iso released

2009-06-30 Thread Andrew Gould
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Thomas Abthorpe wrote:
> At this time KDE has not announced an EOL on 3.5. That said, you will
> likely see it in the tree through the end of 2009.
>
> HTH
>
>
> Thomas

Yes.  Thanks.

Andrew
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Re: ANNOUNCE: Custom GNOME-based FreeBSD iso released

2009-06-30 Thread ras

Manolis Kiagias wrote:

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hey all,

Continuing the effort in producing custom FreeBSD builds, I am pleased
to announce a GNOME-based one.

  
hi, is this like a normal freebsd install + gnome, or OS with custom 
system setup, automatic updates and such? (either is fine, not 
complaining, just curious before i dl)

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Re: ANNOUNCE: Custom GNOME-based FreeBSD iso released

2009-06-30 Thread Thomas Abthorpe
At this time KDE has not announced an EOL on 3.5. That said, you will
likely see it in the tree through the end of 2009.

HTH


Thomas

On 30/06/2009, Andrew Gould  wrote:
> 2009/6/30 Manolis Kiagias :
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> Continuing the effort in producing custom FreeBSD builds, I am pleased
>> to announce a GNOME-based one.
>> This includes a complete GNOME 2.26.2 desktop and also the
>> gnome-power-tools and gnome-fifth-toe package collections.
>>
>> As always, feedback is welcome.
>>
>> Manolis Kiagias
>
> It would be interesting to see how much demand exists for an
> installation DVD with KDE 3.5.  (KDE lost a large amount of voter
> share in Linux Journal's last Readers' Choice Awards.)
>
> Does anyone know how long KDE 3.5 will be available in the ports?
> (Expecting its eventual demise, I switched to Gnome, then to XFCE4.)
>
> Andrew
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Re: ANNOUNCE: Custom GNOME-based FreeBSD iso released

2009-06-30 Thread Tim Judd
On 6/30/09, Glen Barber  wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Tim Judd wrote:
>>>
>>> It would be interesting to see how much demand exists for an
>>> installation DVD with KDE 3.5.  (KDE lost a large amount of voter
>>> share in Linux Journal's last Readers' Choice Awards.)
>>>
>
> [snip]
>
>>
>> When I run KDE, I run KDE4.  I'm not asking for someone to generate a
>> KDE3.5 or KDE4 install medium, but where is the line?
>>
>> If we make XFCE4, and Gnome2.26, why not Enlightenment, Blackbox,
>> KDE3.5, KDE4, etc etc etc?
>>
>>
>
> If I remember correctly, there already are two of these [1][2], soon
> to be followed by a third [3].

Manolis has made [1] and [2], and I just am starting to wonder where
the line will be drawn.  Not that I ask for a line to be drawn, rather
if it's going to go on forever with 20 (or 20^20) choices for the end
user to make.  We already have people asking on IRC which ISO to use.

>
>>
>> Earlier, I made hints at a webGUI install (the install medium would
>> boot into X, basic setup (VESA driver @1024x768, 24 [or 16bit]
>> depth)), run firefox or another lightweight browser (even lynx in the
>> console if X fails to start) on it's own filesystem or over apache.
>> Once network configuration is done, you can pull the data sets for
>> your choice of WM from the internet.
>>
>>
>> I think this has potential, and would offer making it (already started
>> on it), but I think my statements went on deaf ears when addressed to
>> the broad public.
>>
>> So I'll ask again if anyone else would be interested in this.  The
>> advantage is that on this webGUI install, you can offer it (secured of
>> course) over the internet for someone more technical to do the install
>> or configuring, including the same post-install configuration that
>> sysinstall offers.
>>
>
> I like the idea, but wouldn't you need console access to get the
> network configured?  Unless I am misunderstanding your intention, it
> appears you are replacing ssh access with apacheXX (or lighttpd, etc).
>  I like the idea, otherwise.

Well, you have to slap in the CD to the drive, right?  Let it bootup,
do simple net config (if needed) then tell the remote end
"Preconfigured with IP x.x.x.x and authentication xuser pass xpass."

The issue will be after install and it gets restarted, will the CD
boot again and be stuck in that loop.  This is the same problem as the
existing sysinstall CDs that you have to eject it before it boots
again.  the NT boot CDs from 2000 onward have a nice function that if
the cd is selected to boot, and it times out, it forces (doesn't
return control to the BIOS) a HDD boot.  Maybe we need to come up with
a cd bootloader that accomplishes similar task?  Would be a nice boost
to the community not to have a stuck CD and not a running OS.


As for the actual commands to execute to get this configured, since
it's a liveCD, my first thought process to get the tasks done are to
SUID the binaries to root, and post-install, the binaries are they're
normal binaries.


My webpages are never designed as eyecandy.  rather they're very
boring white page with a form.  It's lynx compatible too, after all.



>
> [1] - http://pcbsd.org/
> [2] - http://www.desktopbsd.net/
> [3] - http://www.tomahawkcomputers.com/
>
> --
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>
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Re: ANNOUNCE: Custom GNOME-based FreeBSD iso released

2009-06-30 Thread Polytropon
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:45:32 -0600, Tim Judd  wrote:
> Earlier, I made hints at a webGUI install (the install medium would
> boot into X, basic setup (VESA driver @1024x768, 24 [or 16bit]
> depth)), 

Why not a choice, 800x600 for laptops with smaller screen (or
in 16:9 format for "modern" laptops) - or try to autodetect what
is REALLY on the screen (instead of assuming a "standard")?
Just a polite idea.



> run firefox or another lightweight browser

You're a funny guy. :-)

When talking about lightweight browser in X, strangely "dillo" comes
to my mind. Yes, I know, it's quite limited, but...



> (even lynx in the
> console if X fails to start)

Very good idea.



> on it's own filesystem or over apache.
> Once network configuration is done, you can pull the data sets for
> your choice of WM from the internet.

A kind of "preview screenshot" would be good - you know, users judge
from first sight primarily. :-)



> I think this has potential, and would offer making it (already started
> on it), but I think my statements went on deaf ears when addressed to
> the broad public.

Hmmm... I don't think so. In my opinion, it's a very good idea.
You're offering functionality (like "preinstalled and preconfigured")
in a matter that only PC-BSD serves today, and for PC-BSD, you need
quite modern hardware. It's not usable for older systems, and you
know how fast today's systems are considered "older".



> So I'll ask again if anyone else would be interested in this. 

Yes, if you include WindowMaker and support for a Sun keyboard. :-)
No, honestly; as much as I think you are bringing a good idea into
life, I prefer to completely install systems myself. The chance
that anything that I do not need to be included is too high. Of
course, you are aware that you cannot cater all kinds of intentions
with only one solution, that's impossible. But as I said, that's
only my own, unimportant point of view.



> The
> advantage is that on this webGUI install, you can offer it (secured of
> course) over the internet for someone more technical to do the install
> or configuring, including the same post-install configuration that
> sysinstall offers.

This would be very interesting as long as it does not require too
much additional services to be included and run.



> Anybody else think it's a good idea? 

At least an interesting idea, and this is what counts. "Good" is
always defined from the viewer's site.





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Re: ANNOUNCE: Custom GNOME-based FreeBSD iso released

2009-06-30 Thread Glen Barber
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Tim Judd wrote:
>>
>> It would be interesting to see how much demand exists for an
>> installation DVD with KDE 3.5.  (KDE lost a large amount of voter
>> share in Linux Journal's last Readers' Choice Awards.)
>>

[snip]

>
> When I run KDE, I run KDE4.  I'm not asking for someone to generate a
> KDE3.5 or KDE4 install medium, but where is the line?
>
> If we make XFCE4, and Gnome2.26, why not Enlightenment, Blackbox,
> KDE3.5, KDE4, etc etc etc?
>
>

If I remember correctly, there already are two of these [1][2], soon
to be followed by a third [3].

>
> Earlier, I made hints at a webGUI install (the install medium would
> boot into X, basic setup (VESA driver @1024x768, 24 [or 16bit]
> depth)), run firefox or another lightweight browser (even lynx in the
> console if X fails to start) on it's own filesystem or over apache.
> Once network configuration is done, you can pull the data sets for
> your choice of WM from the internet.
>
>
> I think this has potential, and would offer making it (already started
> on it), but I think my statements went on deaf ears when addressed to
> the broad public.
>
> So I'll ask again if anyone else would be interested in this.  The
> advantage is that on this webGUI install, you can offer it (secured of
> course) over the internet for someone more technical to do the install
> or configuring, including the same post-install configuration that
> sysinstall offers.
>

I like the idea, but wouldn't you need console access to get the
network configured?  Unless I am misunderstanding your intention, it
appears you are replacing ssh access with apacheXX (or lighttpd, etc).
 I like the idea, otherwise.


[1] - http://pcbsd.org/
[2] - http://www.desktopbsd.net/
[3] - http://www.tomahawkcomputers.com/

-- 
Glen Barber
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Re: ANNOUNCE: Custom GNOME-based FreeBSD iso released

2009-06-30 Thread Tim Judd
On 6/30/09, Andrew Gould  wrote:
> 2009/6/30 Manolis Kiagias :
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>> Hey all,
>>
>> Continuing the effort in producing custom FreeBSD builds, I am pleased
>> to announce a GNOME-based one.
>> This includes a complete GNOME 2.26.2 desktop and also the
>> gnome-power-tools and gnome-fifth-toe package collections.
>>
>> As always, feedback is welcome.
>>
>> Manolis Kiagias
>
> It would be interesting to see how much demand exists for an
> installation DVD with KDE 3.5.  (KDE lost a large amount of voter
> share in Linux Journal's last Readers' Choice Awards.)
>
> Does anyone know how long KDE 3.5 will be available in the ports?
> (Expecting its eventual demise, I switched to Gnome, then to XFCE4.)
>
> Andrew


When I run KDE, I run KDE4.  I'm not asking for someone to generate a
KDE3.5 or KDE4 install medium, but where is the line?

If we make XFCE4, and Gnome2.26, why not Enlightenment, Blackbox,
KDE3.5, KDE4, etc etc etc?



Earlier, I made hints at a webGUI install (the install medium would
boot into X, basic setup (VESA driver @1024x768, 24 [or 16bit]
depth)), run firefox or another lightweight browser (even lynx in the
console if X fails to start) on it's own filesystem or over apache.
Once network configuration is done, you can pull the data sets for
your choice of WM from the internet.


I think this has potential, and would offer making it (already started
on it), but I think my statements went on deaf ears when addressed to
the broad public.

So I'll ask again if anyone else would be interested in this.  The
advantage is that on this webGUI install, you can offer it (secured of
course) over the internet for someone more technical to do the install
or configuring, including the same post-install configuration that
sysinstall offers.



Anybody else think it's a good idea?  Willing to take suggestions.
Would satisfy my "designing" and "creativity" mindset I'm in right
now.
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Re: ANNOUNCE: Custom GNOME-based FreeBSD iso released

2009-06-30 Thread Andrew Gould
2009/6/30 Manolis Kiagias :
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> Hey all,
>
> Continuing the effort in producing custom FreeBSD builds, I am pleased
> to announce a GNOME-based one.
> This includes a complete GNOME 2.26.2 desktop and also the
> gnome-power-tools and gnome-fifth-toe package collections.
>
> As always, feedback is welcome.
>
> Manolis Kiagias

It would be interesting to see how much demand exists for an
installation DVD with KDE 3.5.  (KDE lost a large amount of voter
share in Linux Journal's last Readers' Choice Awards.)

Does anyone know how long KDE 3.5 will be available in the ports?
(Expecting its eventual demise, I switched to Gnome, then to XFCE4.)

Andrew
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ANNOUNCE: Custom GNOME-based FreeBSD iso released

2009-06-30 Thread Manolis Kiagias
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Hey all,

Continuing the effort in producing custom FreeBSD builds, I am pleased
to announce a GNOME-based one.
This includes a complete GNOME 2.26.2 desktop and also the
gnome-power-tools and gnome-fifth-toe package collections.

*Important:* There appears to be a problem with the package INDEX on
the DVD that I have not been able to solve: Two packages are not
selected as dependencies, although they are actually needed:

* djbfft - Required for gnumeric
* libdvdcss - Required for gnome multimedia packages (and yes I
realize this package is probably in the 'grey area')

Please select these packages manually from the "All" menu in
Sysinstall's package selection screen. Failing to do so may cause
installation of other packages to fail.  Note this is a problem only
if you install packages using Sysinstall.  It is possible to install
packages using pkg_add while in the /cdrom/packages/All directory
without any problem.

I did attempt to correct these but could not find a solution that
would not cause other packages to fail (or even sysinstall to
segfault).  I am open to suggestions to anyone that can have a look.

Other than XFCE being replaced by GNOME, the two DVDs are otherwise
identical in packages.  The OpenOffice packages already present for
XFCE will also work with this build (both builds were run from the
same ports tree).

The main download page is:

http://freebsd-custom.wikidot.com/downloads-page

As always, feedback is welcome.

Manolis Kiagias
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