Re: Being a shell provider - good business?

[Vincent Hoffman]

CyberLeo Kitsana wrote:
> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>   
>> But getting back to the discussion - the OP's friend seemed like
>> he -wanted- to get involved in some rather Bad People.
>> 
>
> I'm not entirely sure, but I can't find anyone in this thread whose
> actually talked with the OP's friend other than the OP themselves, who
> seems to be biased against the idea in the first place. I'm not sure how
> such an assertion can be safely made under the circumstances.
>
> Personally, I've always been looking for ways to secure the shell
> service I provide, for things such as webspace file transfer and
> MUCK/MUD gameserver hosting. I dislike providing FTP to people, as it's
> so insecure and firewall-unfriendly, but chrooting SSH/SFTP in a
> suitable manner is something I've never been able to successfully complete.
>
> I had something going with Busybox on a test linux box, but alas,
> compilation fails horribly on FreeBSD for reasons not adequately explored.
>   
there was some work at getting busybox working for freebsd, see
http://info.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/FreeBSD/

> So, for now, I stick with judicious use of UID-based firewall rules,
> careful application of unix file permissions, the
> security.bsd.see_other_uids sysctl, and knowing personally each person I
> host, so I can personally deal with them if they venture into
> not-so-nice territory.
>
>   

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Re: Being a shell provider - good business?

[Beech Rintoul]

On Saturday 13 September 2008, Art Vandelay said:
> Hello. My friend thinks that being a shell provider for IRC bots
> and bouncers is very good business. How do I convince him it's not?
>
> Sorry for going off-topic and cross-post, but I don't know who else
> to ask.

Ask him how he's going to deal with all the angry users when one of 
his script kiddie users gets the IP k-lined from all the irc servers. 
Or how he's going to deal with law enforcement after one of his 
accounts uses the shell for nefarious purposes. At the ISP I worked 
for we stopped offering shell accounts to all but our most trusted 
clients for those exact reasons. The only way I would even consider 
it would be to have a block of IPs and jail every user. Even then 
it's a legal and security minefield.

Beech


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Re: Being a shell provider - good business?

[Outback Dingo]

actually i agree here, running a shell server for 10 USD a head per month,
is a good idea
especially for your freinds who need to learn, just do the math, 100 users
at 10 USD a month and guess what
your making money, though its the getting users to use and abide by good
usage policies is the other trick
it is a great tool for universities to teach students with also

On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 8:37 PM, Subhro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Honestly speaking, I would say its easy money.
>
> Thanks
> Subhro
>
>
>
> On 9/14/08, Art Vandelay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Art Vandelay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello. My friend thinks that being a shell provider for IRC bots and
> >> bouncers is very good business. How do I convince him it's not?
> >>
> >> Sorry for going off-topic and cross-post, but I don't know who else to
> >> ask.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> NRS http://nrk.no/p3/program/national_rap_show/
> >>
> >
> > I'm serious, I'm trying to get him to use his BSD servers for other
> > purposes. Maybe webhosting. Maybe a grid to help out local universities
> in
> > their supercomputing. Or just plain consulting. Isn't there any research
> > article out there showing just how silly and profitless that whole
> business
> > model is?
> >
> > Thanks guys,
> > NRS http://nrk.no/p3/program/national_rap_show/
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Re: Being a shell provider - good business?

[Jerry]

On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:14:38 +0200
"Art Vandelay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Art Vandelay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hello. My friend thinks that being a shell provider for IRC bots and
> > bouncers is very good business. How do I convince him it's not?
> >
> > Sorry for going off-topic and cross-post, but I don't know who else
> > to ask.
> 
> I'm serious, I'm trying to get him to use his BSD servers for other
> purposes. Maybe webhosting. Maybe a grid to help out local
> universities in their supercomputing. Or just plain consulting. Isn't
> there any research article out there showing just how silly and
> profitless that whole business model is?

Maybe I am missing something here. The equipment that you are
referring to belongs to your friend and not you, correct? If your
friend is happy with his business model and is not conclusively and
adversely effecting you, what business of yours is it what he does? I
would personally be quite annoyed if some buttinsky
 continually interfered
with my business.

Just my 2¢.

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Re: Being a shell provider - good business?

[Art Vandelay]

On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Art Vandelay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello. My friend thinks that being a shell provider for IRC bots and
> bouncers is very good business. How do I convince him it's not?
>
> Sorry for going off-topic and cross-post, but I don't know who else to ask.
>
> Thanks,
> NRS http://nrk.no/p3/program/national_rap_show/
>

I'm serious, I'm trying to get him to use his BSD servers for other
purposes. Maybe webhosting. Maybe a grid to help out local universities in
their supercomputing. Or just plain consulting. Isn't there any research
article out there showing just how silly and profitless that whole business
model is?

Thanks guys,
NRS http://nrk.no/p3/program/national_rap_show/
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Re: Being a shell provider - good business?

[Jerry]

On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 09:34:16 +0200
Art Vandelay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello. My friend thinks that being a shell provider for IRC bots and
> bouncers is very good business. How do I convince him it's not?

Ask him what the pay scale is.

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