Re: Day Light Savings time changes on March 11
- Original Message - From: "DAve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 6:06 AM Subject: Re: Day Light Savings time changes on March 11 > > Personally, I think someone just wanted on extra hour on the tee during > the week after work. > That is exactly why AZ doesen't do DST. The golfers all want morning tee times due to the heat. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Day Light Savings time changes on March 11
On Tuesday February 27, 2007 at 09:06:07 (AM) DAve wrote: > Personally, I think someone just wanted on extra hour on the tee during > the week after work. Actually, I had not thought about that. So maybe this daylight savings thing is not such a bad idea after all. :*) -- Gerard Ruth rode upon my motor bike directly in back of me. I hit a bump at 95 and rode on Ruthlessly. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Day Light Savings time changes on March 11
Christian Baer wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:18:39 -0800 Bill Campbell wrote: Or am I missing the issue here? I think the issue is how localtime displays dates. This whole ``problem'' is a typical example of brainless politicians (but I repeat myself) doing things that cause far more problems then they ostensibly solve. This is geting a little OT here, but could someone explain this to me please? For as long as I have been voting Indiana has proposed switching to daylight savings time because it would "save money" and create new jobs. Every year it got defeated, every year Hoosiers spent countless dollars debating the issue, every year Hoosiers told the legislature no. They finally changed it last year, after an extensive campaign which claimed Indiana lost billions of dollars and thousands of jobs a year because we did not have DST. Of course after much prodding, no one could manage to justify those numbers or explain where they came from. It must have worked, because we have considerable increase in traffic caused by the money trucks rolling through town and the bus loads of new workers arriving to fill the waiting jobs ;^) Personally, I think someone just wanted on extra hour on the tee during the week after work. DAve -- Three years now I've asked Google why they don't have a logo change for Memorial Day. Why do they choose to do logos for other non-international holidays, but nothing for Veterans? Maybe they forgot who made that choice possible. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Day Light Savings time changes on March 11
Christian Baer wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:46:08 -0500 DAve wrote: Or am I missing the issue here? Not at all, I am thinking my next staff meeting I am going to propose just that solution. Now it might be that I think about a few things a little 'differently' but as far as I can remember running a Unix box (which one that *only* runs a Unix-like OS) on UTC is the usual default and i also recomended as such. I am actually a little surprised that there are whole server-farms out there (stimm) running on local time. An ISP starts out with one mail server and a management server, they create tools that automate and report on the system. It is all in local time. Go forward ten years and now we have 15+ servers, all still using the same admin framework. When I came on board they did not have the time or resources to rewrite or change the management system. We still don't, but we are building out a new one under the radar, 30 minutes here, two hours there, etc. Meanwhile we have an old system which relies on local time. We have local users who do not require a "world view" in their use of the internet (local office to local office connections, local client base, local local local) and they want their mail headers and web reports in local time. So the servers run local time. No more reason than that. We will convert them, but it takes and plan, and a reason. DAve -- Three years now I've asked Google why they don't have a logo change for Memorial Day. Why do they choose to do logos for other non-international holidays, but nothing for Veterans? Maybe they forgot who made that choice possible. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Day Light Savings time changes on March 11
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:18:39 -0800 Bill Campbell wrote: >>Or am I missing the issue here? > > I think the issue is how localtime displays dates. > > This whole ``problem'' is a typical example of brainless > politicians (but I repeat myself) doing things that cause far > more problems then they ostensibly solve. This is geting a little OT here, but could someone explain this to me please? Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Day Light Savings time changes on March 11
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:46:08 -0500 DAve wrote: >> Or am I missing the issue here? > > Not at all, I am thinking my next staff meeting I am going to propose > just that solution. Now it might be that I think about a few things a little 'differently' but as far as I can remember running a Unix box (which one that *only* runs a Unix-like OS) on UTC is the usual default and i also recomended as such. I am actually a little surprised that there are whole server-farms out there (stimm) running on local time. Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Day Light Savings time changes on March 11
On Thu, Feb 22, 2007, Christian Baer wrote: >On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:55:05 -0500 DAve wrote: > >> I noticed Yahoo switched to GMT. Is anyone else running all their >> servers on GMT? > >Actually, all of my Unix Boxes have been running UTC as far as I can >remember. :-) > >Or am I missing the issue here? I think the issue is how localtime displays dates. This whole ``problem'' is a typical example of brainless politicians (but I repeat myself) doing things that cause far more problems then they ostensibly solve. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 ``Intellectually, teachers fall between education theorists and bright cocker spaniels. (Probably closer to the education theorists. The AKC has been doing wonders with spaniels.) If you think I'm kidding look at the GREs for education majors, whose scores are the lowest of all fields, and remember that these are the smart ones.'' -- http://www.FredOnEverything.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Day Light Savings time changes on March 11
Christian Baer wrote: On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:55:05 -0500 DAve wrote: I noticed Yahoo switched to GMT. Is anyone else running all their servers on GMT? Actually, all of my Unix Boxes have been running UTC as far as I can remember. :-) Or am I missing the issue here? Not at all, I am thinking my next staff meeting I am going to propose just that solution. DAve -- Three years now I've asked Google why they don't have a logo change for Memorial Day. Why do they choose to do logos for other non-international holidays, but nothing for Veterans? Maybe they forgot who made that choice possible. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Day Light Savings time changes on March 11
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:55:05 -0500 DAve wrote: > I noticed Yahoo switched to GMT. Is anyone else running all their > servers on GMT? Actually, all of my Unix Boxes have been running UTC as far as I can remember. :-) Or am I missing the issue here? Regards Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Day Light Savings time changes on March 11
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, DAve wrote: Mikel King wrote: Just curious what is that status of this issue with the current version of FreeBSD? I am betting that it has already been taken care of ages ago, in which case I am curious how far back that might have been? Thanks, Mikel I believe that was fairly recently decided, last six months sticks in my head. I'm probably wrong. Since we are in Indiana we just had to convert all our servers to DST last summer. It was a chore because we have everything from FreeBSD 6.1 to Solaris Sparc 10s. I am seriously considering switching all of our NOCs to GMT and calling it a done deal. I am not convinced that the DST rules will not change again and playing catch up with politicians is not a good use of my techs time. I noticed Yahoo switched to GMT. Is anyone else running all their servers on GMT? We are all GMT here on over 18 servers. Of them, five are FreeBSD. I have been running everything I touch in GMT for over eight years now. Once you get the hang of the mental conversion for your zone, it becomes second nature. -- Three years now I've asked Google why they don't have a logo change for Memorial Day. Why do they choose to do logos for other non-international holidays, but nothing for Veterans? Maybe they forgot who made that choice possible. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Day Light Savings time changes on March 11
On 2007/02/21 9:29, Mikel King seems to have typed: > Just curious what is that status of this issue with the current > version of FreeBSD? I am betting that it has already been taken care > of ages ago, in which case I am curious how far back that might have > been? If you google search restricting the site to freebsd.org, you'll see that this has been discussed a lot on this very mailing list recently: http://www.google.com/search?as_q=daylight+savings&as_sitesearch=freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Day Light Savings time changes on March 11
On Feb 21, 2007, at 10:55 AM, DAve wrote: Since we are in Indiana we just had to convert all our servers to DST last summer. It was a chore because we have everything from FreeBSD 6.1 to Solaris Sparc 10s. I am seriously considering switching all of our NOCs to GMT and calling it a done deal. I am not convinced that the DST rules will not change again and playing catch up with politicians is not a good use of my techs time. I find myself in strong agreement with this position. I noticed Yahoo switched to GMT. Is anyone else running all their servers on GMT? Not all of them, no-- but most of them, especially anything which is running a database or doing logfile processes, I want to have them working in GMT. Something like a mail server or fileserver, it's perhaps better to keep things in the local timezone to avoid confusing users with timestamps that are not as expected... -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Day Light Savings time changes on March 11
Mikel King wrote: Just curious what is that status of this issue with the current version of FreeBSD? I am betting that it has already been taken care of ages ago, in which case I am curious how far back that might have been? Thanks, Mikel I believe that was fairly recently decided, last six months sticks in my head. I'm probably wrong. Since we are in Indiana we just had to convert all our servers to DST last summer. It was a chore because we have everything from FreeBSD 6.1 to Solaris Sparc 10s. I am seriously considering switching all of our NOCs to GMT and calling it a done deal. I am not convinced that the DST rules will not change again and playing catch up with politicians is not a good use of my techs time. I noticed Yahoo switched to GMT. Is anyone else running all their servers on GMT? DAve -- Three years now I've asked Google why they don't have a logo change for Memorial Day. Why do they choose to do logos for other non-international holidays, but nothing for Veterans? Maybe they forgot who made that choice possible. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Day Light Savings time changes on March 11
In response to Mikel King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Just curious what is that status of this issue with the current > version of FreeBSD? I am betting that it has already been taken care > of ages ago, in which case I am curious how far back that might have > been? We just went through an audit here. All versions prior to 5.5 have a problem. 5.5 has the correct timezone data. 6.2 is OK, but earlier versions of 6.X also have old data. We didn't isolate exactly what versions, though. In any case, if you've upgraded from a problematic version to a recent version, you have to run tzsetup again to get the new timezone file installed. If you have an old version and can't updated, you can install a port that brings your tz data up to date. -- Bill Moran Collaborative Fusion Inc. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Day Light Savings time changes on March 11
Just curious what is that status of this issue with the current version of FreeBSD? I am betting that it has already been taken care of ages ago, in which case I am curious how far back that might have been? Thanks, Mikel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
