FWIW, a datapoint.

2010-05-10 Thread Gary Kline

Hopefully no one will face this, but the only way around getting
past pcbsd seems to be via an over-the-wire upgrade.  The
8.0-bootonly.iso for the i386 failed to boot.  About two hours
ago tho i was able to csup ports from its 07jan to 10may status. 
Next I will pull over the stable-cvsup stuff and see if I can
fire off a build.   hope this works.  the kybd is hard to use.  
[etc.]

gary


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Re: FWIW, a datapoint.

2010-05-10 Thread Michael Powell
Gary Kline wrote:

> 
> Hopefully no one will face this, but the only way around getting
> past pcbsd seems to be via an over-the-wire upgrade.  The
> 8.0-bootonly.iso for the i386 failed to boot.  About two hours
> ago tho i was able to csup ports from its 07jan to 10may status.
> Next I will pull over the stable-cvsup stuff and see if I can
> fire off a build.   hope this works.  the kybd is hard to use.
> [etc.]
> 

I put a PCBSD install on an unused space on my drive. Back when I did it the 
FreeBSD 8.0 version was still in beta, and that is what I installed. The 
current state of affairs is now release status with FreeBSD 8.0 P2.

I haven't seen it or used it in a while now. When I installed it I did not 
install any of the extra addon software packages, but rather installed the 
ports system and proceeded to csup it to current status. I then used the 
ports system to install any additional stuff I wanted. Generally speaking it 
was a fairly positive experience in that by and large mostly everything 
"Just Worked". Seeing the Flash support already installed and functioning in 
Firefox was surprising, to say the least.

Since the install comes with KDE 4.3.5 and I want to upgrade it to 4.4.x I 
will be giving portupgrade another go around. I had used portupgrade to 
successfully update all ports once before and it worked as it normally would 
on a regular (non PCBSD) install of Freebsd. FWIW, by not installing 
anything (except the base install which includes KDE,etc) using the PCBSD 
software installer utilizing the normal methods of installing with the ports 
system and maintenance with portupgrade seems to work just as it would on a 
normal FreeBSD install.

When I get adventurous I'll see how it does with the KDE 4.4.x upgrade one 
of these days. Have been waiting for the dust to settle there. As to why 
your bootonly or LiveCD CD's have problems booting, that is probably a 
separate issue. But I did notice the PCBSD install is using GPT labeling for 
it's partition labels. 

-Mike
 


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Re: FWIW, a datapoint.

2010-05-10 Thread Aiza

Gary Kline wrote:

Hopefully no one will face this, but the only way around getting
past pcbsd seems to be via an over-the-wire upgrade.  The
8.0-bootonly.iso for the i386 failed to boot.  About two hours
ago tho i was able to csup ports from its 07jan to 10may status. 
Next I will pull over the stable-cvsup stuff and see if I can
fire off a build.   hope this works.  the kybd is hard to use.  
[etc.]


gary


Last week I downloaded the PCBSD boot only cd and then did an over the 
network install. The first try the PCBSD server timed-out my install. On 
second try the over the network install worked. I had previously 
downloaded the PCBSD DVD .iso, but no matter what I tried I could not 
get it to burn to DVD correctly.

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Re: FWIW, a datapoint.

2010-05-13 Thread Gary Kline
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 06:22:22PM -0400, Michael Powell wrote:
> Gary Kline wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Hopefully no one will face this, but the only way around getting
> > past pcbsd seems to be via an over-the-wire upgrade.  The
> > 8.0-bootonly.iso for the i386 failed to boot.  About two hours
> > ago tho i was able to csup ports from its 07jan to 10may status.
> > Next I will pull over the stable-cvsup stuff and see if I can
> > fire off a build.   hope this works.  the kybd is hard to use.
> > [etc.]
> > 
> 
> I put a PCBSD install on an unused space on my drive. Back when I did it the 
> FreeBSD 8.0 version was still in beta, and that is what I installed. The 
> current state of affairs is now release status with FreeBSD 8.0 P2.
> 
> I haven't seen it or used it in a while now. When I installed it I did not 
> install any of the extra addon software packages, but rather installed the 
> ports system and proceeded to csup it to current status. I then used the 
> ports system to install any additional stuff I wanted. Generally speaking it 
> was a fairly positive experience in that by and large mostly everything 
> "Just Worked". Seeing the Flash support already installed and functioning in 
> Firefox was surprising, to say the least.
> 
> Since the install comes with KDE 4.3.5 and I want to upgrade it to 4.4.x I 
> will be giving portupgrade another go around. I had used portupgrade to 
> successfully update all ports once before and it worked as it normally would 
> on a regular (non PCBSD) install of Freebsd. FWIW, by not installing 
> anything (except the base install which includes KDE,etc) using the PCBSD 
> software installer utilizing the normal methods of installing with the ports 
> system and maintenance with portupgrade seems to work just as it would on a 
> normal FreeBSD install.
> 
> When I get adventurous I'll see how it does with the KDE 4.4.x upgrade one 
> of these days. Have been waiting for the dust to settle there. As to why 
> your bootonly or LiveCD CD's have problems booting, that is probably a 
> separate issue. But I did notice the PCBSD install is using GPT labeling for 
> it's partition labels. 
> 
> -Mike
>  
> 



well, still same on my laptop after days of trying to fix the
"thinkpad keyboard" that made the box all but unusable.  xev
thinks the caps lock is a left control key.   i have given
up for now.  {yes, having flash is a feature and/or a
surprise, but not quite doing w/out the capslock!}

gary


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Re: FWIW, a datapoint.

2010-05-14 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 13 May 2010 22:00:47 -0700, Gary Kline  wrote:
>   well, still same on my laptop after days of trying to fix the
>   "thinkpad keyboard" that made the box all but unusable.  xev
>   thinks the caps lock is a left control key.   i have given
>   up for now.  {yes, having flash is a feature and/or a
>   surprise, but not quite doing w/out the capslock!}

Within the last few days, there was a message on this list
about how to use xmodmap to change this. People often use
xmodmap to turn Caps Lock into left Ctrl, but it can be
done in reverse, too. See the near-time archives for an
occurance of xmodmap, this may help you, and maybe work
both on PC-BSD as well as on regular FreeBSD (allthough
it might be that KDE does many things on its own and doesn't
care for "low level settings" such as xmodmap). At this
point, it may be useful to point out that KDE might have
its very own keyboard setup controls - check them to find
out if you can re-assign the keys within KDE.



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Re: FWIW, a datapoint.

2010-05-14 Thread Gary Kline
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 03:47:22PM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> On Thu, 13 May 2010 22:00:47 -0700, Gary Kline  wrote:
> > well, still same on my laptop after days of trying to fix the
> > "thinkpad keyboard" that made the box all but unusable.  xev
> > thinks the caps lock is a left control key.   i have given
> > up for now.  {yes, having flash is a feature and/or a
> > surprise, but not quite doing w/out the capslock!}
> 
> Within the last few days, there was a message on this list
> about how to use xmodmap to change this. People often use
> xmodmap to turn Caps Lock into left Ctrl, but it can be
> done in reverse, too. See the near-time archives for an
> occurance of xmodmap, this may help you, and maybe work
> both on PC-BSD as well as on regular FreeBSD (allthough
> it might be that KDE does many things on its own and doesn't
> care for "low level settings" such as xmodmap). At this
> point, it may be useful to point out that KDE might have
> its very own keyboard setup controls - check them to find
> out if you can re-assign the keys within KDE.
> 


i already use xmodmap to turn some of my unused junk keys
into ESC keys.  since my fingers know vi without thinking
about it and because the Real ESC key is =way= far away. 
blah * 3.  on the pcbsd forum is an example of what you
mention above; it is different than how i was taught, but
that's not a big deal.

i think kde4 Still has months and revs to go in some places.
there aer things i like about the desktop.  that it is the
most "friendly" [or considerable] of those who have some kind
of physical disability.  further, kde4 does not seem afraid
to venture where other managers have not gone.  

if kde has its own keyboard setup config, i sure blew it when
i did the original installation.  ... .

-g

i will google up the xmodmap stuff ... it might be easier to
salvage pcbsd  



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