Re: Adoble Flash troubles on 9.2-RELEASE

[Da Rock]

On 10/12/13 20:37, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 11:52 +0200, David Demelier wrote:

I don't like much chrome but I'll give a try to see.

+1 It's not a browser I like.

Since I'm using my computer for audio production my FreeBSD isn't
maintained, I need to use Linux, so I don't know if Chrome is available
for FreeBSD. When I google (resp. startpage.com search) for FreeBSD and
Chrome, it seems to be that the hits aren't about Chrome, but Chromium
instead.

Chromium doesn't include Adobe Flash,
https://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/ChromiumBrowserVsGoogleChrome .

Sorry for the noise.

At least we could use Adobe Flash by Chrome with FreeBSD in a virtual
machine running a Linux instead of a Windows guest. Or is Chrome
available for FreeBSD too?

Perhaps you should post the links that don't work with the latest Linux
version of Adobe Flash, so others could test if the issue is really
caused by Flash Player and not by something else.

To add more confusion to this fray, although it may not help with gray 
screen issue, the only reason chromium works (yes, just install the 
nspluginwrapper as per the handbook) is that it is better suited to the 
new pepper style Adobe is going with now.


FWIW, I did put in a port to fix drm issues on any site which was 
stopping videos playing (again, not your specific issue, but what 
appears to be in discussion here) and which allows flash to work using 
any browser - uses linux dbus libraries (weird). Not sure of the status 
though.


Cheers
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Re: Adoble Flash troubles on 9.2-RELEASE

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 11:52 +0200, David Demelier wrote:
> I don't like much chrome but I'll give a try to see.

+1 It's not a browser I like.

Since I'm using my computer for audio production my FreeBSD isn't
maintained, I need to use Linux, so I don't know if Chrome is available
for FreeBSD. When I google (resp. startpage.com search) for FreeBSD and
Chrome, it seems to be that the hits aren't about Chrome, but Chromium
instead.

Chromium doesn't include Adobe Flash,
https://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/ChromiumBrowserVsGoogleChrome .

Sorry for the noise.

At least we could use Adobe Flash by Chrome with FreeBSD in a virtual
machine running a Linux instead of a Windows guest. Or is Chrome
available for FreeBSD too?

Perhaps you should post the links that don't work with the latest Linux
version of Adobe Flash, so others could test if the issue is really
caused by Flash Player and not by something else.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: Adoble Flash troubles on 9.2-RELEASE

[David Demelier]

On 12.10.2013 11:02, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> If you really need to visit sites that need Adobe Flash, you perhaps
> should use the google-chrome browser. For some websites with flash
> content, we don't need flash anymore, just modern HTML5 capable web
> browsers. For *nix there never will be a current version for flashplayer
> again.
> 

Yes I know that adobe flash player for *nix is gone but I'm guessing why
it worked well so much before..

I don't like much chrome but I'll give a try to see.

Thanks for the hint!

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Re: Adoble Flash troubles on 9.2-RELEASE

[Ralf Mardorf]

If you really need to visit sites that need Adobe Flash, you perhaps
should use the google-chrome browser. For some websites with flash
content, we don't need flash anymore, just modern HTML5 capable web
browsers. For *nix there never will be a current version for flashplayer
again.

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Adoble Flash troubles on 9.2-RELEASE

[David Demelier]

Hi,

The current linux-f10-flashplugin-11.2r202.310 version has some troubles
on my machine (with Firefox).

Sometimes, when a flash component is displayed and you scroll a bit the
window the flash break and goes grey, you're forced to reload the page.

I'm using the Intel new KMS driver if that matters, note that it never
happened on my 9.1-RELEASE.

Is anyone having a similar issue?

Regards,

David.
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Re: Flash failing with videos on "youtube"

[CeDeROM]

On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:45 AM, Bernt Hansson  wrote:
> On 2013-06-16 13:39, Jerry wrote:
>> I saw the answer to this a while back, but I cannot find it now.
> youtube-dl -t 'filename'

You can also use this trick to work on youtube directly:

This video use flash player:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M84Y6VXAIaU

This will give you player directly and can skip flash:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/M84Y6VXAIaU

This will download the video:
http://www.youtube.com/v/M84Y6VXAIaU

Not sure how to change format of a video that will be downloaded. You
can also use http://www.offliberty.com to download audio and video
tracks of web clips in mp3/mp4 format :-)

Best regards,
Tomek

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Re: Flash failing with videos on "youtube"

[Jerry]

On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 13:57:09 +0200
Matthias Apitz articulated:

> El día Sunday, June 16, 2013 a las 07:39:30AM -0400, Jerry escribió:
> 
> > I saw the answer to this a while back, but I cannot find it now.
> 
> dom.ipc.plugins.enabled = false
> 
> to be set via about:config in FF

Perhaps that should either be the default setting, I really have no
idea what else it pertains to, or clearly displayed in "Chapter 7.
Desktop Applications"
.

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Re: Flash failing with videos on "youtube"

[CeDeROM]

On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Jerry  wrote:
> After working fine for quite a while, this problem has started. When
> attempting to play videos on "youtube", I am greeted with a message
> that states "Adobe Flash Player is Required for Video Playback?

Some clips are forced to show commercials and this does not work in
HTML5 even video can be served in WebM/VP8. yesterday I was working on
a Linux machine with flash player and before EVERY movie I got nasty
commercial, this was awful, I am happy that commercials does not work
in HTML5, Vimeo is somewhat alternative but it use proprietary H.264
on the othe hand. Web multimedia is a mess, but I am happy to see
Flash come to an end :-)

You may want to try out the EMBED solution that I have found some time
ago: https://www.tomek.cedro.info/youtube-and-html5/

Best regards,
Tomek

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Re: Flash failing with videos on "youtube"

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Sunday, June 16, 2013 a las 07:39:30AM -0400, Jerry escribió:

> I saw the answer to this a while back, but I cannot find it now.

dom.ipc.plugins.enabled = false

to be set via about:config in FF

matthias

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Flash failing with videos on "youtube"

[Jerry]

I saw the answer to this a while back, but I cannot find it now.

After working fine for quite a while, this problem has started. When
attempting to play videos on "youtube", I am greeted with a message
that states "Adobe Flash Player is Required for Video Playback? It
then offers me a link to the site; obviously though that link is
useless in FreeBSD. I double checked everything, the ports are all
up-to-date, and I ran "nspluginwrapper", etcetera as specified in
"Chapter 7. Desktop Applications"
<http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html>

Someone else had a similar problem and reported it here awhile ago and
was given the solution. I am running Firefox 21.0 via the ports system
on a FreeBSD-8.3 amd64 system.

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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

[paranormal]

Finally, I have done it.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/de-tube

On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 19:08 -0400, Quartz wrote:
> > I can work around this by downloading the files with clive and watching
> > with mplayer, but I'd like to make this work again.
> 
> To be honest, this is really the best solution for all platforms, 
> win/mac/bsd/etc. I don't have flash installed on any of my machines: I 
> use a plugin that downloads the mp4 and auto opens it in a local video 
> player. This always works, you can jump/rewind without constant 
> buffering, you don't have to deal with ads, and you don't have to deal 
> with flash maxing out your cpu for no reason.
> 
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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

[paranormal]

I had written an extension, it replaces the original youtube player.
Now it's beta version (at least it has a name...), there is no setup, no
preferences, it just replaces youtube player to Here the best
quality.


Code (don't even try to use master branch):
https://github.com/paranormal/detube/tree/working

Zip:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/de-tube/

You are free to install this addon and blame me.

There another addon (written by Sukant Garg):
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/save-my-youtube-day


On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 23:39 +0200, Jens Schweikhardt wrote:
> hello, world\n
> 
> I have trouble playing Youtube videos in flash format in Firefox. This
> has worked in the past, but for a few weeks now, the flash videos
> display as a b/w noise background picture with a message centered "To
> render this video you need the Adobe Flash Player. Install latest Flash
> Player". Has Youtube conspired against me, you, FreeBSD, the world? :-)
> 
> I'm wondering if I have screwed up something. I'm running 9.1-STABLE as
> of a few days ago, with up-to-date ports of emulators/linux_base-f10,
> www/linux-f10-flashplugin11 and www/nspluginwrapper ports on FF20.0.
> about:plugins says this:
> 
> Shockwave Flash
> 
> File: npwrapper.libflashplayer.so
> Version: Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202
> 
> MIME Type    Description Suffixes
> application/x-shockwave-flash   Shockwave Flash swf
> application/futuresplashFutureSplash Player spl
> 
> 
> Since I haven't heard the FreeBSD community screaming "Gimme back
> my Youtube!!!1!", I'll bite. What could the problem be? Is anyone
> else but me able to play flash, like for example "The true science
> of multiple universes" in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywn2Lz5zmYg ?
> 
> Other types play just fine, like "Pt1gard's 10-Question Apollo Test"
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUPtiYiMCbQ
> 
> I can work around this by downloading the files with clive and watching
> with mplayer, but I'd like to make this work again.
> 
> Regards,
> 
>   Jens



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Re: Flash?

[Walter Hurry]

On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:37:49 +0200, Fernando Apesteguía wrote:

> El 23/04/2013 21:24, "Walter Hurry"  escribió:
>>
>> FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE on amd64.
>>
>> I have installed Flash according to the instructions in the handbook.
>> When I do 'about:plugins' in Firefox, I get the following response:
>>
>> Shockwave Flash
>>
>> File: npwrapper.libflashplayer.so Version:
>> Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202
>>
>> MIME Type   Description Suffixes
>> application/x-shockwave-flash   Shockwave Flash swf
>> application/futuresplash    FutureSplash Player spl
>>
>> When I go to:
>>
>> http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/find-version-flash-player.html
>>
>> it reports that Flash is installed, version 11.2.202.280, and I can see
>> the red bouncing ball.
>>
>>
>> When I go to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8tSMKGbnW0
>>
>> again it reports that Flash is installed correctly.
>>
>> When I go to:
>>
>> http://www.chemgapedia.de/vsengine/info/en/help/requirements/flash.html
>>
>> once again, both tests run perfectly.
>>
>> Yet when I go to youtube.com and click on a link, it says "The Adobe
>> Flash Player is required for video playback. Get the latest Flash
>> Player".
>>
>> What is wrong?
> 
> That's an issue with Firefox. Search the list. There is a setting you
> have to change in Firefox in order to avoid that problem.
> 
That did the trick, thanks. The PR is 177404.

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Re: Flash?

[Fernando Apesteguía]

El 23/04/2013 21:45, "Ralf Mardorf"  escribió:
>
>
> On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 21:37 +0200, Fernando Apesteguía wrote:
> > That's an issue with Firefox. Search the list. There is a setting you
have
> > to change in Firefox in order to avoid that problem.
>
> Perhaps the answer is somewhere in the thread "[Solved] Youtube & Flash
> Videos broken?", but OTOH, Flash is outdated and that could be the issue
> too.

Yep, that's the thread I was referring to. It worked for me.

>
> I don't have Flash or Gnash installed, but Firefox (20.0.1 here) anyway
> plays many YouTube videos.
>
>
>
>
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Re: Flash?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 21:37 +0200, Fernando Apesteguía wrote:
> That's an issue with Firefox. Search the list. There is a setting you have
> to change in Firefox in order to avoid that problem.

Perhaps the answer is somewhere in the thread "[Solved] Youtube & Flash
Videos broken?", but OTOH, Flash is outdated and that could be the issue
too.

I don't have Flash or Gnash installed, but Firefox (20.0.1 here) anyway
plays many YouTube videos.




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Re: Flash?

[Fernando Apesteguía]

El 23/04/2013 21:24, "Walter Hurry"  escribió:
>
> FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE on amd64.
>
> I have installed Flash according to the instructions in the handbook.
> When I do 'about:plugins' in Firefox, I get the following response:
>
> Shockwave Flash
>
> File: npwrapper.libflashplayer.so
> Version:
> Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202
>
> MIME Type   Description     Suffixes
> application/x-shockwave-flash   Shockwave Flash swf
> application/futuresplashFutureSplash Player spl
>
> When I go to:
>
> http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/find-version-flash-player.html
>
> it reports that Flash is installed, version 11.2.202.280, and I can see
> the red bouncing ball.
>
>
> When I go to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8tSMKGbnW0
>
> again it reports that Flash is installed correctly.
>
> When I go to:
>
> http://www.chemgapedia.de/vsengine/info/en/help/requirements/flash.html
>
> once again, both tests run perfectly.
>
> Yet when I go to youtube.com and click on a link, it says "The Adobe
> Flash Player is required for video playback. Get the latest Flash Player".
>
> What is wrong?

That's an issue with Firefox. Search the list. There is a setting you have
to change in Firefox in order to avoid that problem.

>
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Re: Flash?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 19:24 +, Walter Hurry wrote:
> What is wrong?

It's wrong to consume crap that needs proprietary software, that isn't
available for *nix, resp. it's smarter to use an OS that fit to the
individual needs of the user. FreeBSD and Linux aren't a good choice, if
you want to consume such stuff.

Current version is 11.7,
http://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/downloads.html .

But for *nix the last version is 11.2.

"Adobe Flash Player 11.2 will be the last version to target Linux as a
supported platform. Adobe will continue to provide security backports to
Flash Player 11.2 for Linux." - http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/

Regards,
Ralf






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Flash?

[Walter Hurry]

FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE on amd64.

I have installed Flash according to the instructions in the handbook. 
When I do 'about:plugins' in Firefox, I get the following response:

Shockwave Flash

File: npwrapper.libflashplayer.so
Version: 
Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202

MIME Type   Description Suffixes
application/x-shockwave-flash   Shockwave Flash swf
application/futuresplashFutureSplash Player spl

When I go to:

http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/find-version-flash-player.html

it reports that Flash is installed, version 11.2.202.280, and I can see 
the red bouncing ball.


When I go to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8tSMKGbnW0

again it reports that Flash is installed correctly.

When I go to:

http://www.chemgapedia.de/vsengine/info/en/help/requirements/flash.html

once again, both tests run perfectly.

Yet when I go to youtube.com and click on a link, it says "The Adobe 
Flash Player is required for video playback. Get the latest Flash Player".

What is wrong?


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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

[Bernt Hansson]

2013-04-09 12:22, Polytropon skrev:

On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 12:15:35 +0200, Harald Weis wrote:

I've also seen that the '-h' option did tell a lot of things, except the
the reqirement to quote the URL...


This is something you'll find in "man csh" or "man bash". :-)




Now I get the following:

me@pollux:~ % youtube-dl -v "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xuubjIrYkc";
[debug] Proxy map: {}
[youtube] Setting language
[youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Downloading video webpage
[youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Downloading video info webpage
[youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Extracting video information

ERROR: unable to download video
me@pollux:~ %


You should see something like this instead:

% youtube-dl "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xuubjIrYkc";
[youtube] Setting language
[youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Downloading video webpage
[youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Downloading video info webpage
[youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Extracting video information
[download] Destination: 6xuubjIrYkc.flv
[download]   1.9% of 482.49M at  180.22k/s ETA 44:49
...
and so on.


Or something like this.

% youtube-dl -t 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xuubjIrYkc'
[youtube] Setting language
[youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Downloading video webpage
[youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Downloading video info webpage
[youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Extracting video information
[download] Destination: Pat Metheny - Secret Story-6xuubjIrYkc.flv
[download]   0.9% of 482.49M at  457.60k/s ETA 17:50





Unable(!) to see the reason.


What version are you running?

I have youtube_dl-2012.09.27 here, not the most recent one.
Sometimes there is a problem when your version has been
obsoleted by something YouTube did change.



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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

[Harald Weis]

On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 12:22:02PM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
 > On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 12:15:35 +0200, Harald Weis wrote:
 > > I've also seen that the '-h' option did tell a lot of things, except the
 > > the requirement to quote the URL...
 > 
 > This is something you'll find in "man csh" or "man bash". :-)
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > > Now I get the following:
 > > 
 > > me@pollux:~ % youtube-dl -v "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xuubjIrYkc";
 > > [debug] Proxy map: {}
 > > [youtube] Setting language
 > > [youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Downloading video webpage
 > > [youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Downloading video info webpage
 > > [youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Extracting video information
 > > 
 > > ERROR: unable to download video
 > > me@pollux:~ % 
 > 
 > You should see something like this instead:
 > 
 > % youtube-dl "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xuubjIrYkc";
 > [youtube] Setting language
 > [youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Downloading video webpage
 > [youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Downloading video info webpage
 > [youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Extracting video information
 > [download] Destination: 6xuubjIrYkc.flv
 > [download]   1.9% of 482.49M at  180.22k/s ETA 44:49
 > ...
 > and so on.
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > > Unable(!) to see the reason.
 > 
 > What version are you running?
 > 
 > I have youtube_dl-2012.09.27 here, not the most recent one.
 > Sometimes there is a problem when your version has been
 > obsoleted by something YouTube did change.

Great. That was it!

===>  Installing for youtube_dl-2013.02.02
===>   Generating temporary packing list
===>   Compressing manual pages for youtube_dl-2013.02.02
===>   Registering installation for youtube_dl-2013.02.02
Installing youtube_dl-2013.02.02... done

===>>> Upgrade of youtube_dl-2012.02.27 to youtube_dl-2013.02.02 complete

There is even a manpage now.

Thank you very much indeed, Polytropon.
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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

[Polytropon]

On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 12:15:35 +0200, Harald Weis wrote:
> I've also seen that the '-h' option did tell a lot of things, except the
> the reqirement to quote the URL...

This is something you'll find in "man csh" or "man bash". :-)



> Now I get the following:
> 
> me@pollux:~ % youtube-dl -v "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xuubjIrYkc";
> [debug] Proxy map: {}
> [youtube] Setting language
> [youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Downloading video webpage
> [youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Downloading video info webpage
> [youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Extracting video information
> 
> ERROR: unable to download video
> me@pollux:~ % 

You should see something like this instead:

% youtube-dl "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xuubjIrYkc";
[youtube] Setting language
[youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Downloading video webpage
[youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Downloading video info webpage
[youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Extracting video information
[download] Destination: 6xuubjIrYkc.flv
[download]   1.9% of 482.49M at  180.22k/s ETA 44:49
...
and so on.



> Unable(!) to see the reason.

What version are you running?

I have youtube_dl-2012.09.27 here, not the most recent one.
Sometimes there is a problem when your version has been
obsoleted by something YouTube did change.


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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

[Harald Weis]

On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 03:58:30AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
 > On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 17:03:13 +0200, Harald Weis wrote:
 > > On Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 12:09:32AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
 > >  
 > >  > If it's just about YouTube video, why not use youtube-dl and
 > >  > mplayer? I haven't tested it for those particular two videos,
 > >  > but it tends to work for everything. :-)
  
Many thanks to all of you, on-list and off-list.

I've installed youtube-dl a long time ago, the very moment when I first read
about it on this list.

I've also seen that the '-h' option did tell a lot of things, except the
the reqirement to quote the URL...

Now I get the following:

me@pollux:~ % youtube-dl -v "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xuubjIrYkc";
[debug] Proxy map: {}
[youtube] Setting language
[youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Downloading video webpage
[youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Downloading video info webpage
[youtube] 6xuubjIrYkc: Extracting video information

ERROR: unable to download video
me@pollux:~ % 

Unable(!) to see the reason.

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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

[Gary Kline]

On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 03:38:16AM +, Walter Hurry wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 20:28:15 -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
> 
> > Please excuse the top post
> 
> Why?
> 


because most or all email is presented in "oldest posts first."
it is more work to decode.  [[ esp'ly if you're   o lder than dirt,
like me! ]]

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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

[Walter Hurry]

On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 20:28:15 -0700, Gary Kline wrote:

> Please excuse the top post

Why?

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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

[Gary Kline]

Please excuse the top post, bujt you're the right guy to ask,
polyt.  mp3/audio files I can get.  you sent me a website to get
mp3's off youtube.  it is probably patry my ubuntu linux and gnome,
but is there a "canned" website that will grab a video?  somebody
has a Lot of westerns and I'd like to grab a couple.  

we can get 70 billion channels with barf comcast, but I dont see
any of these old/old/old movies.  [ several zillion tx. ]  

gary

ps:  yeah, I KNOW they are ===mostly=== mythic.  but sometimes I
just need to take a bleeping break.  and so far, nothingg  works.


On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 03:58:30AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 17:03:13 +0200, Harald Weis wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 12:09:32AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> >  
> >  > If it's just about YouTube video, why not use youtube-dl and
> >  > mplayer? I haven't tested it for those particular two videos,
> >  > but it tends to work for everything. :-)
> >  
> > Can you please help me how to find the right URLs for youtube-dl ?
> 
> There is no URL. You install it from ports:
> 
>   # cd /usr/ports/www/youtube_dl
>   # make install
> 
> If the version in ports is not current enough (e. g. when YT
> has again fiddled with the format), you can usually get it
> from its source https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl.
> 
> 
> 
> > For example on
> > http://www.youtube.com/user/ConcertosLive/videos
> > 
> > When I copy URLs with mouse in opera I always get
> > "youtube-dl: No match."
> 
> Make sure you use proper quoting as the URL contains
> characters that the shell will interpret. The common form
> to use youtube-dl is e. g.
> 
>   % youtube-dl "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc4ROCJYbm0";
> 
> Any superflous stuff in the URL will be ignored. This is
> the easiest way to work, e. g. from copying the URL from
> the URL line or via the "Copy link address" function; then
> just type 'youtube-dl "', press the middle mouse key, '"'
> and Enter.
> 
> As youtube-dl doesn't have a manpage, you can use
> 
>   % youtube-dl -h
> 
> to get a list of supported command line options.
> 
> 
> 
> > (opera and flash work fine for playing and also for downloading the
> > the ogg file)
> 
> That's normal. :-)
> 
> 
> 
> > I definitely prefer the command line tool.
> 
> What I like about this approach is that I can watch films
> in a usable (!) environment, which is mplayer, and not be
> dependent on some low-quality web player plugin. It's also
> nice to have interesting videos stored on the local disk
> so they can be watched without Internet connection. :-)
> 
> 
> 
> > Getting rid of flash would be a tremendous relief.
> 
> It will happen, as soon as HTML5 is adopted more widely
> (currently happening especially for "rich web content"
> and the mobile market) and lawyers agree on a usable
> media codec.
> 
> But for now, I don't actually see any problems running
> "Flash" if it is _intended_ to do so.
> 
> 
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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

[Polytropon]

On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 17:03:13 +0200, Harald Weis wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 12:09:32AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
>  
>  > If it's just about YouTube video, why not use youtube-dl and
>  > mplayer? I haven't tested it for those particular two videos,
>  > but it tends to work for everything. :-)
>  
> Can you please help me how to find the right URLs for youtube-dl ?

There is no URL. You install it from ports:

# cd /usr/ports/www/youtube_dl
# make install

If the version in ports is not current enough (e. g. when YT
has again fiddled with the format), you can usually get it
from its source https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl.



> For example on
> http://www.youtube.com/user/ConcertosLive/videos
> 
> When I copy URLs with mouse in opera I always get
> "youtube-dl: No match."

Make sure you use proper quoting as the URL contains
characters that the shell will interpret. The common form
to use youtube-dl is e. g.

% youtube-dl "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc4ROCJYbm0";

Any superflous stuff in the URL will be ignored. This is
the easiest way to work, e. g. from copying the URL from
the URL line or via the "Copy link address" function; then
just type 'youtube-dl "', press the middle mouse key, '"'
and Enter.

As youtube-dl doesn't have a manpage, you can use

% youtube-dl -h

to get a list of supported command line options.



> (opera and flash work fine for playing and also for downloading the
> the ogg file)

That's normal. :-)



> I definitely prefer the command line tool.

What I like about this approach is that I can watch films
in a usable (!) environment, which is mplayer, and not be
dependent on some low-quality web player plugin. It's also
nice to have interesting videos stored on the local disk
so they can be watched without Internet connection. :-)



> Getting rid of flash would be a tremendous relief.

It will happen, as soon as HTML5 is adopted more widely
(currently happening especially for "rich web content"
and the mobile market) and lawyers agree on a usable
media codec.

But for now, I don't actually see any problems running
"Flash" if it is _intended_ to do so.


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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

[ill...@gmail.com]

On 8 April 2013 11:03, Harald Weis  wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 12:09:32AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
>
>  > If it's just about YouTube video, why not use youtube-dl and
>  > mplayer? I haven't tested it for those particular two videos,
>  > but it tends to work for everything. :-)
>
> Can you please help me how to find the right URLs for youtube-dl ?
>
> For example on
> http://www.youtube.com/user/ConcertosLive/videos
>
> When I copy URLs with mouse in opera I always get
> "youtube-dl: No match."
>
> (opera and flash work fine for playing and also for downloading the
> the ogg file)
>
> I definitely prefer the command line tool.
> Getting rid of flash would be a tremendous relief.
>
>
youtube_dl works fine with just the video id, as in:
% youtube_dl -c --restrict-filenames -o '%(title)s.%(id)s.%(ext)s'
"De6ejDbIcOM"
to download http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De6ejDbIcOM
(though the full url works, as well)

You may want to set --max-quality 45 (or 46)* to avoid downloading a
½GB 3072p video (as with some of the HD stuff) since youtube_dl
defaults to the highest quality available.

*quo vide: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube

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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

[Lowell Gilbert]

Harald Weis  writes:

> On Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 12:09:32AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
>  
>  > If it's just about YouTube video, why not use youtube-dl and
>  > mplayer? I haven't tested it for those particular two videos,
>  > but it tends to work for everything. :-)
>  
> Can you please help me how to find the right URLs for youtube-dl ?
>
> For example on
> http://www.youtube.com/user/ConcertosLive/videos
>
> When I copy URLs with mouse in opera I always get
> "youtube-dl: No match."
>
> (opera and flash work fine for playing and also for downloading the
> the ogg file)
>
> I definitely prefer the command line tool.
> Getting rid of flash would be a tremendous relief.

Right-click on one of the video icons, select "copy link address" and
the cut buffer will contain the URL. Depending on your shell you may
need to protect some of the characters from being interpreted.
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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

[Harald Weis]

On Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 12:09:32AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
 
 > If it's just about YouTube video, why not use youtube-dl and
 > mplayer? I haven't tested it for those particular two videos,
 > but it tends to work for everything. :-)
 
Can you please help me how to find the right URLs for youtube-dl ?

For example on
http://www.youtube.com/user/ConcertosLive/videos

When I copy URLs with mouse in opera I always get
"youtube-dl: No match."

(opera and flash work fine for playing and also for downloading the
the ogg file)

I definitely prefer the command line tool.
Getting rid of flash would be a tremendous relief.

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Re: [Solved] Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

[parv]

in message <20130408093145.GA3009@tinyCurrent>,
wrote Matthias Apitz thusly...
>
> El día Monday, April 08, 2013 a las 11:04:41AM +0200, Patrick Lamaiziere 
> escribió:
>
> > Le Sun, 7 Apr 2013 13:38:55 +0200,
> > Jens Schweikhardt  a écrit :
> >
> > > # We've had a thread about it in the forums, with a couple of
> > > workarounds: # http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=38627
> > >
> > > Thanks for this helpful link. It contained the solution to my problem:
> > >
> > >   1) In about:config, set dom.ipc.plugins.enabled to false
> > >   2) Exit and restart Firefox (really, just doing 1) did not work).
> >
> > Cool that works here too, nice. Thanks.
>
> I helped me as well. Can someone give a bit light of explanation
> what the parameter does in detail and why it should be set to
> 'false'? Thanks

An explanation on Adobe forum ...

  http://forums.adobe.com/thread/666110
32d reply ...
  ...
  The crash protection feature in Firefox 3.6 is enabled for
  certain  plugins only. The four preferences that we
  modified here specifies four different out-of-process
  plugins. They are  the the NPAPI test plugin, Adobe Flash,
  Apple QuickTime (Windows) and Microsoft Silverlight
  (Windows). These plugins are specified in a separate
  dom.ipc.plugins.enabled. preference by default is
  set to true. We can disable them by changing their value to
  false. And thus plugin-container.exe will not run. By
  default the preference dom.ipc.plugins.enabled is already
  set to "false". So, no need to touch it. The
  dom.ipc.plugins.timeoutSecs is also not important here as
  other values are false.


Similar is on ...

  (skip to bottom)
  https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/707085


(Also, I was reminded of "perlipc" pod related to inter-process
communication in Perl.)


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Re: [Solved] Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Monday, April 08, 2013 a las 11:04:41AM +0200, Patrick Lamaiziere 
escribió:

> Le Sun, 7 Apr 2013 13:38:55 +0200,
> Jens Schweikhardt  a écrit :
> 
> > # We've had a thread about it in the forums, with a couple of
> > workarounds: # http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=38627
> > 
> > Thanks for this helpful link. It contained the solution to my problem:
> > 
> >   1) In about:config, set dom.ipc.plugins.enabled to false
> >   2) Exit and restart Firefox (really, just doing 1) did not work).
> 
> Cool that works here too, nice. Thanks.

I helped me as well. Can someone give a bit light of explanation what
the parameter does in detail and why it should be set to 'false'? Thanks

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Re: [Solved] Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

[Patrick Lamaiziere]

Le Sun, 7 Apr 2013 13:38:55 +0200,
Jens Schweikhardt  a écrit :

> # We've had a thread about it in the forums, with a couple of
> workarounds: # http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=38627
> 
> Thanks for this helpful link. It contained the solution to my problem:
> 
>   1) In about:config, set dom.ipc.plugins.enabled to false
>   2) Exit and restart Firefox (really, just doing 1) did not work).

Cool that works here too, nice. Thanks.

I'm sure I was able to watch the following Youtube video without trick
on 18 march 2013 :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re9TpkdTYGw

Without dom.ipc.plugins.enabled=false, Youtube says that flash is not
installed.

(9.1-STABLE/amd64, firefox-17.0.4,1 (firefox-esr),
linux-f10-flashplugin-11.2r202.275)

Regards.
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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

[Polytropon]

On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 13:05:19 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> If users would stop visiting bad programmed sites, we would get better
> programmed websites, so IMO we shouldn't fix the issues others cause,
> it's their task to fix their websites.

There's hope in browsers implementing the "Flash"-like
functionalities using HTML5, which has become important
due to the growing markets in tablets and smartphones
(the "mobile web" where "Flash" doesn't play a significant
role). One of the problems is media codecs (where lawyers
fight), another one is the availability of design and
development environments for "non-technical" users who
normally use pirated copies of some "Adobe" programs
to create "Flash" content for (or instead of) HTML-based
web pages. Those who actually _pay_ for their tools often
tend to deliver a much better user experience even by
using "Flash". As I said, it's just a tool, but a tool
by itself doesn't get the work done, you need to properly
use it. "Flash" is already on its way into the coffin,
it will be much more profitable (and essential to stay
in business) to publish content in a more portable way.
In my opinion, HTML5 is the way to go, as soon as they
got the mentioned main problems out of the way.



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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

[Polytropon]

On Sun, 7 Apr 2013 07:44:30 -0400, Jerry wrote:
> This site:
> <http://aattp.org/watch-jon-stewart-annihilate-anti-gun-control-arguments-in-this-amazing-daily-show-clip-video/
> plays fine on Windows using either IE or Firefox. It also works on
> Ubuntu. However, it bombs out with FreeBSD and Firefox. I haven't had
> an opportunity to try it on a Linux system yet..

Strange. Very strange. What am I doing wrong for all the years?
Even though this page is slow as (insert slow stuff) on loading
and polluted with ads, it plays totally fine with Opera, installed
in summer 2011. This is since almost 3 years ago.



> Using Flash is way
> harder than it needs to be on FreeBSD.

You are right about this. It should be a selectable (switchable)
function of the browser. Do you have a proprietary plugin to have
text in blue color? One to display PNG images? Another one to
render text centered? No?

If "Flash" is used instead of HTML, or as an excuse for not
being able or willing to use HTML properly, and if lawyers keep
fighting their patent war on codecs, then "Flash" is not the
problem per se - it's the way it is (ab)used.

Imagine you could treat it as a first class browser functionality.
Like displaying images or rendering text. You want to use it?
It's already part of the browser, properly maintained to work
with the browser, indepdent of lower-level system components.
You do _not_ want to see any "Flash" stuff? One click to disable
it. That would be the ideal solution, as it is possible with
_everything else_ except "Flash".



> You hear FreeBSD users who claim
> that they never use Flash, which in itself is an interesting statement.

No, it's not that interesting. For example, I have kept two
browsers in the past: Firefox with no "Flash", and Opera with
"Flash". So whenever a non-"Flash" experience was desired,
I just switched the browser, and no "Flash" has been used.

Also, for specific things, using programs to download video
and then watch it locally with mplayer (much more comfortable
than all those web players) has been possible for many years.



> If it doesn't work, then obviously you cannot take advantage of it. I
> suspect at least 50% of them are liars. The rest are more than likely
> expressing their "sour-grapes" wrath.

That's quite possible.



> The real goal should be to get it working and working correctly and as
> easily as other Operating Systems have.

I actually don't know where the problem is: It _is_ working
correctly and easily as on other operating systems and even
in comparison to "Windows".



> The world is not going to adapt
> to your specifications, you have to adapt to its or else fall by the
> wayside.

And those who _always_ go with the flow will never reach
the source. ;-)

To educated people, "Flash" is just a tool, and they can
answer the question what it is good for, and what it is
not the tool for, and additionally how to properly use it.
Considering that "Flash" has had 4 hits among the top 10
of security threats, like "Gain access to a system and
execute arbitrary code with local user privileges. Gain
access to sensitive data. Highly Critical." and "Gain
access to a system and execute arbitrary code with local
user privileges. Bypass security systems. Gain access to
sensitive data. Extremely Critical.", there might be a
reason not to use it - it depends. It _always_ depends.



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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 2013-04-07 at 07:44 -0400, Jerry wrote:
> You hear FreeBSD users who claim
> that they never use Flash, which in itself is an interesting
> statement.
> If it doesn't work, then obviously you cannot take advantage of it. I
> suspect at least 50% of them are liars. The rest are more than likely
> expressing their "sour-grapes" wrath.

No, I guess at least for media players you're mistaken. I was born in
1966 and a lot of people from my generation still own a television set,
turntables etc..

Not seldom I watch several hours television at one day. I guess after
watching 4 hours television, it's not hard to spare flash on the
computer ;).

Yes, you can miss interesting stuff without flash, but you also will
miss interesting things, if you watch too much videos.

In the past I used flash, I tested gnash first, but I preferred the
proprietary thingy. It started as an experiment when I installed Arch
Linux some weeks ago and I noticed that I can live without flash.

However, I only need to run one command to get flash and on Linux AFAIK
it doesn't cause issues until now.

$ yaourt flashplayer
1 extra/flashplugin 11.2.202.275-1
Adobe Flash Player
2 aur/bin32-flashplayer-standalone 11.2.202.275-1 (5)
Macromedia standalone flash player (nonfree)
3 aur/flashplayer-standalone 11.2.202.275-1 (134)
Macromedia standalone flash player (nonfree)
4 aur/flashplayer-standalone-debug 11.2.202.275-1 (7)
Standalone, debug version of Adobe Flash Player
5 aur/gnash-git 20120122-1 (Out of Date) (3)
An open source flashplayer - git version
==> Enter n° of packages to be installed (ex: 1 2 3 or 1-3)
==> ---
==> ^C

I even don't know if I have flash on FreeBSD installed, since I more
often use Linux.

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Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

[Lena]

More about complications and possible cause of this problem:
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=misc/177404
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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

[Jerry]

On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 13:05:19 +0200
Ralf Mardorf articulated:

> On Sun, 2013-04-07 at 06:21 -0400, Jerry wrote:
> > On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 23:57:47 +0200
> > Ralf Mardorf articulated:
> > 
> > > On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 23:53 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 23:39 +0200, Jens Schweikhardt wrote:
> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywn2Lz5zmYg
> > > > 
> > > > Firefox 20.0 Arch Linux x86_64 can't play this video too.
> > > > Neither flash, nor gnash installed. Perhaps it's a video with a
> > > > commercial, before the video can be watched? Wicked!
> > > > 
> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUPtiYiMCbQ
> > > > 
> > > > Video and audio are ok for this video, still without flash or
> > > > gnash.
> > > 
> > > Perhaps we should switch to Windows :D. SICR
> > 
> > I have pretty much given up on using Firefox with FreeBSD on sites
> > that utilize Flash. It usually just sucks. Sites like "comedy
> > Central" are just not view-able utilizing that combination. I use
> > my Windows PC or Laptop for those times. Plus, I can keep Flash and
> > or Java "up-to-date" far easier.
> 
> I never needed to use Windows, I could switch from the Atari ST to
> *nix around ten years ago, but since around 1½ years I need to run
> Windows in VBox. I planed to start making music on Friday, now it's
> Sunday noon and I still couldn't start, because I still need to fix
> issues. However, I experienced less issues with *nix software,
> usually I run into issues regarding to hardware. Fortunately I don't
> care about the flash issue, if tube videos don't work, I don't watch
> tube videos and if flash should be needed for something else on a
> homepage, it for sure isn't a homepage I want to visit. Usually web
> pages for *nix are programmed like http://www.freebsd.org/
> and very seldom like
> http://linux-audio.com/
> but even this site doesn't expect flash. Serious homepages, e.g. from
> departments, usually are good programmed and commercial homepages,
> e.g. from the porn industry, are usually bad programmed.
> 
> If users would stop visiting bad programmed sites, we would get better
> programmed websites, so IMO we shouldn't fix the issues others cause,
> it's their task to fix their websites.

This site:
<http://aattp.org/watch-jon-stewart-annihilate-anti-gun-control-arguments-in-this-amazing-daily-show-clip-video/
plays fine on Windows using either IE or Firefox. It also works on
Ubuntu. However, it bombs out with FreeBSD and Firefox. I haven't had
an opportunity to try it on a Linux system yet..

The bottom line is where exactly does the problem exist. FreeBSD users
love to blame everyone else for their problems; however, is that
actually the problem here or is it something else? Using Flash is way
harder than it needs to be on FreeBSD. You hear FreeBSD users who claim
that they never use Flash, which in itself is an interesting statement.
If it doesn't work, then obviously you cannot take advantage of it. I
suspect at least 50% of them are liars. The rest are more than likely
expressing their "sour-grapes" wrath.

The real goal should be to get it working and working correctly and as
easily as other Operating Systems have. The world is not going to adapt
to your specifications, you have to adapt to its or else fall by the
wayside.

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[Solved] Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

[Jens Schweikhardt]

On Sat, Apr 06, 2013 at 05:53:17PM -0600, Warren Block wrote:
# On Sat, 6 Apr 2013, Jens Schweikhardt wrote:
# 
# > I have trouble playing Youtube videos in flash format in Firefox. This
# > has worked in the past, but for a few weeks now, the flash videos
# > display as a b/w noise background picture with a message centered "To
# > render this video you need the Adobe Flash Player. Install latest Flash
# > Player". Has Youtube conspired against me, you, FreeBSD, the world? :-)
# 
# We've had a thread about it in the forums, with a couple of workarounds:
# http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=38627

Thanks for this helpful link. It contained the solution to my problem:

  1) In about:config, set dom.ipc.plugins.enabled to false
  2) Exit and restart Firefox (really, just doing 1) did not work).

Regards,

Jens
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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 2013-04-07 at 06:21 -0400, Jerry wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 23:57:47 +0200
> Ralf Mardorf articulated:
> 
> > On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 23:53 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 23:39 +0200, Jens Schweikhardt wrote:
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywn2Lz5zmYg
> > > 
> > > Firefox 20.0 Arch Linux x86_64 can't play this video too. Neither
> > > flash, nor gnash installed. Perhaps it's a video with a commercial,
> > > before the video can be watched? Wicked!
> > > 
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUPtiYiMCbQ
> > > 
> > > Video and audio are ok for this video, still without flash or gnash.
> > 
> > Perhaps we should switch to Windows :D. SICR
> 
> I have pretty much given up on using Firefox with FreeBSD on sites that
> utilize Flash. It usually just sucks. Sites like "comedy Central" are
> just not view-able utilizing that combination. I use my Windows PC or
> Laptop for those times. Plus, I can keep Flash and or Java "up-to-date"
> far easier.

I never needed to use Windows, I could switch from the Atari ST to *nix
around ten years ago, but since around 1½ years I need to run Windows in
VBox. I planed to start making music on Friday, now it's Sunday noon and
I still couldn't start, because I still need to fix issues. However, I
experienced less issues with *nix software, usually I run into issues
regarding to hardware. Fortunately I don't care about the flash issue,
if tube videos don't work, I don't watch tube videos and if flash should
be needed for something else on a homepage, it for sure isn't a homepage
I want to visit. Usually web pages for *nix are programmed like
http://www.freebsd.org/
and very seldom like
http://linux-audio.com/
but even this site doesn't expect flash. Serious homepages, e.g. from
departments, usually are good programmed and commercial homepages, e.g.
from the porn industry, are usually bad programmed.

If users would stop visiting bad programmed sites, we would get better
programmed websites, so IMO we shouldn't fix the issues others cause,
it's their task to fix their websites.

2 Cents,
Ralf

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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

[C. P. Ghost]

On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Jerry  wrote:

> On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 23:57:47 +0200
> Ralf Mardorf articulated:
>
> > On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 23:53 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 23:39 +0200, Jens Schweikhardt wrote:
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywn2Lz5zmYg
> > >
> > > Firefox 20.0 Arch Linux x86_64 can't play this video too. Neither
> > > flash, nor gnash installed. Perhaps it's a video with a commercial,
> > > before the video can be watched? Wicked!
> > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUPtiYiMCbQ
> > >
> > > Video and audio are ok for this video, still without flash or gnash.
> >
> > Perhaps we should switch to Windows :D. SICR
>
> I have pretty much given up on using Firefox with FreeBSD on sites that
> utilize Flash. It usually just sucks. Sites like "comedy Central" are
> just not view-able utilizing that combination. I use my Windows PC or
> Laptop for those times. Plus, I can keep Flash and or Java "up-to-date"
> far easier.
>

Nearly the same here: I'm keeping two virtual machines on my FreeBSD
laptop: a Windows 7 and a Linux one, and I'm starting the Win7 VM when
I stumble across that oddball Flash-only website that would not even display
on the Linux VM. This way, I'm keeping a clean and lean FreeBSD environment,
unpolluted by tons of Linuxulator compat libraries needed just to make
that flash plugin work.

Plus, it's easier to reset the Win7 VM to a previous virus-free stage after
each use... even though something like this
  http://www.qubes-os.org/trac
would be even better, I assume. ;)

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>
>
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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

[Jerry]

On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 23:57:47 +0200
Ralf Mardorf articulated:

> On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 23:53 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 23:39 +0200, Jens Schweikhardt wrote:
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywn2Lz5zmYg
> > 
> > Firefox 20.0 Arch Linux x86_64 can't play this video too. Neither
> > flash, nor gnash installed. Perhaps it's a video with a commercial,
> > before the video can be watched? Wicked!
> > 
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUPtiYiMCbQ
> > 
> > Video and audio are ok for this video, still without flash or gnash.
> 
> Perhaps we should switch to Windows :D. SICR

I have pretty much given up on using Firefox with FreeBSD on sites that
utilize Flash. It usually just sucks. Sites like "comedy Central" are
just not view-able utilizing that combination. I use my Windows PC or
Laptop for those times. Plus, I can keep Flash and or Java "up-to-date"
far easier.

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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

[Polytropon]

On Sat, 6 Apr 2013 15:23:49 -1000, Parv wrote:
> I have tried some extensions -- e.g. "Flash and Video
> Download", "Download Helper" -- that require a bit of video to be
> played initially before it can be downloaded (outside of YouTube;
> for YouTube videos, I prefer to use youtube_dl).

Yes, "Download Helper" is very prominent in combination
with Firefox. However, it requires interactivity within
the browser. In case that's not desired, youtube-dl can
help. For non-YT-videos, get-flash-videos (a per script)
works in many cases. The result FLV file can be played
comfortably with mplayer. I'm not sure in how far this
combination can be integrated with the web browser...

Again, it's worth noting that you should not touch a
running system. ;-)


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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

[Parv]

in message <5160aaf9.2020...@sneakertech.com>,
wrote Quartz thusly...
>
>
> > I can work around this by downloading the files with clive and watching
> > with mplayer, but I'd like to make this work again.
>
> To be honest, this is really the best solution for all platforms,
> win/mac/bsd/etc. I don't have flash installed on any of my
> machines: I use a plugin that downloads the mp4 and auto opens it
> in a local video player.

Is the plugin that you speak of called "Download YouTube Videos as
MP4"?  I have tried some extensions -- e.g. "Flash and Video
Download", "Download Helper" -- that require a bit of video to be
played initially before it can be downloaded (outside of YouTube;
for YouTube videos, I prefer to use youtube_dl).


  - Parv

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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

[Parv]

in message <20130407000932.678efc0d.free...@edvax.de>,
wrote Polytropon thusly...
>
> On Sat, 6 Apr 2013 23:39:11 +0200, Jens Schweikhardt wrote:
...
> > Is anyone else but me able to play flash, like for example "The
> > true science of multiple universes" in
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywn2Lz5zmYg ?
>
> The video has a "ad overlay" (can skip after a few seconds),
> video itself plays fine here. Note that I'm providing you
> this reference from the past: I'm using Opera with the Linux
> Flash plugin (installed as described in the handbook), and
> the versions are opera-11.50, opera-linuxplugins-11.50,
> and linux-f10-flashplugin-10.3r183.5, installed in summer 2011.

The video played fine in Firefox (firefox-17.0.3,1) & Shockwave Flash
(11.1 r102) plugin (there is also a "FutureSplash Player" plugin).
Initially there was a purple window with small circular ">" (play)
button but nothing was being displayed; audio of the original video
started playing by itself. Few seconds later, the purple window
disappeared.

Opera (opera-12.14), OTOH, reported that flash plugin
(opera-linuxplugins-12.14; linux-f10-flashplugin-11.2r202.275)
crashed.


> > Other types play just fine, like "Pt1gard's 10-Question Apollo Test"
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUPtiYiMCbQ
>
> Yes, plays fine.

No problem here either with either of the browsers.


  - parv

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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

[Warren Block]

On Sat, 6 Apr 2013, Jens Schweikhardt wrote:


I have trouble playing Youtube videos in flash format in Firefox. This
has worked in the past, but for a few weeks now, the flash videos
display as a b/w noise background picture with a message centered "To
render this video you need the Adobe Flash Player. Install latest Flash
Player". Has Youtube conspired against me, you, FreeBSD, the world? :-)


We've had a thread about it in the forums, with a couple of workarounds:
http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=38627
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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

[Quartz]

I can work around this by downloading the files with clive and watching
with mplayer, but I'd like to make this work again.


To be honest, this is really the best solution for all platforms, 
win/mac/bsd/etc. I don't have flash installed on any of my machines: I 
use a plugin that downloads the mp4 and auto opens it in a local video 
player. This always works, you can jump/rewind without constant 
buffering, you don't have to deal with ads, and you don't have to deal 
with flash maxing out your cpu for no reason.


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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

[Polytropon]

On Sat, 6 Apr 2013 23:39:11 +0200, Jens Schweikhardt wrote:
> Since I haven't heard the FreeBSD community screaming "Gimme back
> my Youtube!!!1!", I'll bite. What could the problem be? Is anyone
> else but me able to play flash, like for example "The true science
> of multiple universes" in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywn2Lz5zmYg ?

The video has a "ad overlay" (can skip after a few seconds),
video itself plays fine here. Note that I'm providing you
this reference from the past: I'm using Opera with the Linux
Flash plugin (installed as described in the handbook), and
the versions are opera-11.50, opera-linuxplugins-11.50,
and linux-f10-flashplugin-10.3r183.5, installed in summer 2011.
So I haven't changed things, and it still works, because
the rule is: Never touch a running system. ;-)



> Other types play just fine, like "Pt1gard's 10-Question Apollo Test"
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUPtiYiMCbQ

Yes, plays fine.



> I can work around this by downloading the files with clive and watching
> with mplayer, but I'd like to make this work again.

If it's just about YouTube video, why not use youtube-dl and
mplayer? I haven't tested it for those particular two videos,
but it tends to work for everything. :-)

I cannot provide a reference regarding Firefox (with "Flash"
installed as described in the Handbook) because it freezes
mny system (faulty GPU).




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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 23:53 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 23:39 +0200, Jens Schweikhardt wrote:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywn2Lz5zmYg
> 
> Firefox 20.0 Arch Linux x86_64 can't play this video too. Neither flash,
> nor gnash installed. Perhaps it's a video with a commercial, before the
> video can be watched? Wicked!
> 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUPtiYiMCbQ
> 
> Video and audio are ok for this video, still without flash or gnash.

Perhaps we should switch to Windows :D. SICR


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Re: Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 23:39 +0200, Jens Schweikhardt wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywn2Lz5zmYg

Firefox 20.0 Arch Linux x86_64 can't play this video too. Neither flash,
nor gnash installed. Perhaps it's a video with a commercial, before the
video can be watched? Wicked!

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUPtiYiMCbQ

Video and audio are ok for this video, still without flash or gnash.

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Youtube & Flash Videos broken?

[Jens Schweikhardt]

hello, world\n

I have trouble playing Youtube videos in flash format in Firefox. This
has worked in the past, but for a few weeks now, the flash videos
display as a b/w noise background picture with a message centered "To
render this video you need the Adobe Flash Player. Install latest Flash
Player". Has Youtube conspired against me, you, FreeBSD, the world? :-)

I'm wondering if I have screwed up something. I'm running 9.1-STABLE as
of a few days ago, with up-to-date ports of emulators/linux_base-f10,
www/linux-f10-flashplugin11 and www/nspluginwrapper ports on FF20.0.
about:plugins says this:

Shockwave Flash

File: npwrapper.libflashplayer.so
    Version: Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202

MIME TypeDescription Suffixes
application/x-shockwave-flash   Shockwave Flash swf
application/futuresplashFutureSplash Player spl


Since I haven't heard the FreeBSD community screaming "Gimme back
my Youtube!!!1!", I'll bite. What could the problem be? Is anyone
else but me able to play flash, like for example "The true science
of multiple universes" in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywn2Lz5zmYg ?

Other types play just fine, like "Pt1gard's 10-Question Apollo Test"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUPtiYiMCbQ

I can work around this by downloading the files with clive and watching
with mplayer, but I'd like to make this work again.

Regards,

Jens
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Re: USB Flash Drive in Stock

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Re: USB Flash Drive in Stock

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   Hi,


   Glad to hear that you're on the market for usb driver memory, we are
   experienced in this field for about 8 years.


There is much experience in usb driver memory with higher quality.


What’s more, we have our own R&D to meet any of your requirements.


   There are usb driver memory in stock and the quotation as follows:

   1GB: EXW US$2.10, 2GB: EXW US$2.42, 4GB: EXW US$2.91, 8GB: EXW US$3.55,
   16GB: EXW US$6.13, 32GB: EXW US$10.49, 64GB: EXW US$ 22.26, 128GB: EXW
   US$ 25.49, 256GB: EXW US$30.33

   M.O.Q: 500PCS


Please contact us without any hesitation if there is anything we can
   do for you.


Look forward to hearing from you and establishing friendly business
   relationship between us.


Best Regards.

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Re: Copying memstick image to a USB (flash/thumb) drive

[Ronald F. Guilmette]

In message <51543b7a.4030...@qeng-ho.org>, 
Arthur Chance  wrote:

>On 03/28/13 10:32, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
>> It is possible, I would guess, that dd may notice the EOF occuring
>> before it has filled up an entire input buffer, and then just quit
>> at that point, _without_ writing the partial last block to the
>> output device.
>
>It will attempt to write a short block. E.g.
>
>arthur@fileserver[2]> ls -l t.pdf
>-rw-rw-r--  1 arthur  arthur  233812 Feb 18 12:26 t.pdf
>arthur@fileserver[2]> dd if=t.pdf of=/dev/null bs=1k
>228+1 records in
>228+1 records out
>233812 bytes transferred in 0.036731 secs (6365521 bytes/sec)
>
>Those +1 records are the final short block.

OK.  Thanks.  That's definitely good to know.

I wonder if this behavior is documented in the man page.  (It certainly
should be, if it isn't already.)

>> It seems to me that conv=sync is cheap insurance against this
>> possibility.
>
>It's used as an insurance against output devices which have a fixed (or 
>in the case of tape, a minimum) block size. If the short block is not an 
>exact integer multiple of the device block size then the final write 
>will fail.

Right.  I understand.

>conv=sync and a bs (or obs) that's a strict multiple of block 
>size prevents the problem. That's exactly your use case.

Right.


Regards,
rfg
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Re: Copying memstick image to a USB (flash/thumb) drive

[Arthur Chance]

On 03/28/13 10:32, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:


In message <5153feff.4090...@sneakertech.com>, you wrote:




I have filed the following PR:

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=177431


Er, don't take my word for law:


I didn't.  I won't.


I have *no* idea if 1M is a good idea


Any size which is an exact multiple of the physical block size for
the target device should provide performance which is as good as
it gets.

I googled around and read various comments.  Some of these kinds
of devices have a physical block size of 64KiB.  Some have 128KiB.
Some have 256KiB.  Some have 1MiB.

For all of these devices, seting blocksize to 1MiB will provide optimal
performance with at worst only a _relatively_ tiny waste of space.


As for the conv=sync option, I'm not convinced it's necessary either
way.


Neither am I, but I would rather have it there, than not and take
chances.

It won't hurt anything, and it appears that it _may_ perhaps help.


I don't think modern systems really care what the end is padded with


That wasn't my concern.  My concern is that I personally do not know
what the officially defined semantics are in cases where dd is asked
to copy data in a specific input block size _and_ the actual data
available from the input device doesn't perfectly fill up that last
block.

It is possible, I would guess, that dd may notice the EOF occuring
before it has filled up an entire input buffer, and then just quit
at that point, _without_ writing the partial last block to the
output device.


It will attempt to write a short block. E.g.

arthur@fileserver[2]> ls -l t.pdf
-rw-rw-r--  1 arthur  arthur  233812 Feb 18 12:26 t.pdf
arthur@fileserver[2]> dd if=t.pdf of=/dev/null bs=1k
228+1 records in
228+1 records out
233812 bytes transferred in 0.036731 secs (6365521 bytes/sec)

Those +1 records are the final short block.


It seems to me that conv=sync is cheap insurance against this
possibility.


It's used as an insurance against output devices which have a fixed (or 
in the case of tape, a minimum) block size. If the short block is not an 
exact integer multiple of the device block size then the final write 
will fail. conv=sync and a bs (or obs) that's a strict multiple of block 
size prevents the problem. That's exactly your use case.



I have always been a belt and suspenders kind of guy.


Show me the experienced sysadmin who isn't. Invariably learnt the hard 
way. :-}



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Re: Copying memstick image to a USB (flash/thumb) drive

[Ronald F. Guilmette]

In message <5153feff.4090...@sneakertech.com>, you wrote:

>
>> I have filed the following PR:
>>
>> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=177431
>
>Er, don't take my word for law:

I didn't.  I won't.

>I have *no* idea if 1M is a good idea 

Any size which is an exact multiple of the physical block size for
the target device should provide performance which is as good as
it gets.

I googled around and read various comments.  Some of these kinds
of devices have a physical block size of 64KiB.  Some have 128KiB.
Some have 256KiB.  Some have 1MiB.

For all of these devices, seting blocksize to 1MiB will provide optimal
performance with at worst only a _relatively_ tiny waste of space.

>As for the conv=sync option, I'm not convinced it's necessary either 
>way.

Neither am I, but I would rather have it there, than not and take
chances.

It won't hurt anything, and it appears that it _may_ perhaps help.

>I don't think modern systems really care what the end is padded with 

That wasn't my concern.  My concern is that I personally do not know
what the officially defined semantics are in cases where dd is asked
to copy data in a specific input block size _and_ the actual data
available from the input device doesn't perfectly fill up that last
block.

It is possible, I would guess, that dd may notice the EOF occuring
before it has filled up an entire input buffer, and then just quit
at that point, _without_ writing the partial last block to the
output device.

It seems to me that conv=sync is cheap insurance against this
possibility.

I have always been a belt and suspenders kind of guy.


Regards,
rfg
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Re: Copying memstick image to a USB (flash/thumb) drive

[Steve O'Hara-Smith]

On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 04:27:43 -0400
Quartz  wrote:

> 
> > I have filed the following PR:
> >
> > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=177431
> 
> Er, don't take my word for law: I have *no* idea if 1M is a good idea 
> for most systems, I'm not even sure if it's optimal for mine. I did a 
> single test with three random values at different orders of magnitude 
> and picked the fastest. I do think that 10k is probably way under the 
> right value, but someone should do proper testing on a variety of 
> hardware before changing all the docs.

The 1M will work fine, it's way bigger than any physical write. In
theory the performance should max out when the block size matches the
maximum physical write size of the controller (often 64K), but that assumes
zero read latency on the data feed so in practice larger block sizes help,
but except for things like tape they don't help much once you pass the
device/controller max write block size.

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Re: Copying memstick image to a USB (flash/thumb) drive

[Quartz]

I have filed the following PR:

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=177431


Er, don't take my word for law: I have *no* idea if 1M is a good idea 
for most systems, I'm not even sure if it's optimal for mine. I did a 
single test with three random values at different orders of magnitude 
and picked the fastest. I do think that 10k is probably way under the 
right value, but someone should do proper testing on a variety of 
hardware before changing all the docs.


As for the conv=sync option, I'm not convinced it's necessary either 
way. I've dd'd zillions of images to various media over the years and 
have never specified a conv parameter and I've never had problems. I 
don't think modern systems really care what the end is padded with 
(provided nothing is corrupt of course). Someone with more experience 
would need to chime in on this.


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Re: Copying memstick image to a USB (flash/thumb) drive

[Ronald F. Guilmette]

In message <5153a2fd.8020...@sneakertech.com>, you wrote:

>
>>  Why exactly is the "bs=10240" is there?  Wouldn't the default of 512
>>  do just as well?
>
>Modern systems can read and write far more than 512 bytes per operation. 
>Sticking with 512 would work perfectly fine, but you'd be imposing an 
>unnecessary bottleneck and the copy would be a lot slower overall. 
>Whether 10K is optimal or not depends on the exact hardware you're 
>messing with (it looks pretty low to me, I'd suggest more like 1M).


I agree.  And 10 kibibytes is probably quite a bit less than optimal.

I have filed the following PR:

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=177431

Thank you for your reply.


Regards,
rfg
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Re: Copying memstick image to a USB (flash/thumb) drive

[Quartz]

 Why exactly is the "bs=10240" is there?  Wouldn't the default of 512
 do just as well?


Modern systems can read and write far more than 512 bytes per operation. 
Sticking with 512 would work perfectly fine, but you'd be imposing an 
unnecessary bottleneck and the copy would be a lot slower overall. 
Whether 10K is optimal or not depends on the exact hardware you're 
messing with (it looks pretty low to me, I'd suggest more like 1M).


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Re: Copying memstick image to a USB (flash/thumb) drive

[Daniel O'Callaghan]

On 28/03/2013 8:10 AM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:

Question:

Why exactly is "conv=sync" is there?

I found this on http://www.mkssoftware.com/docs/man1/dd.1.asp

If you specified conv=sync and this input block is smaller than the 
specified input block size, dd pads it to the specified size with null 
bytes. When you also specify a block or unblock conversion, dd uses 
spaces instead of null bytes.


So the last block of output gets padded with 0x00 at the end to fill the 
input block size (from bs=...)



Question:

 Why exactly is the "bs=10240" is there?  Wouldn't the default of 512
 do just as well?
It would, but then you would have FILESIZE/512 reads and writes instead 
of FILESIZE/10240 reads and writes - 20 times more.

The end result is the same, but the large bs makes the operation go faster.
I routinely use bs=655360 simply because it is a big number divisible by 
512, which I can easily remember.  512000 would do just as well, though...


Danny

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Re: Copying memstick image to a USB (flash/thumb) drive

[Dan Nelson]

In the last episode (Mar 27), Ronald F. Guilmette said:
> I've never used any FreeBSD memstick image before, but now I have reason
> to do so.
> 
> I'm reading the instructions for creating a bootable memstick that are
> located on this page:
> 
>   http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.1R/announce.html
> 
> which include the following example of how to perform the copy:
> 
>   # dd if=FreeBSD-9.1-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img of=/dev/da0 bs=10240 
> conv=sync
> 
> Question:
> 
>Why exactly is "conv=sync" is there?
>
> Question:
> 
> Why exactly is the "bs=10240" is there?  Wouldn't the default of 512
> do just as well?

It looks like someone just copied a dd commandline from somewhere else,
maybe something to do with tar files (since tar defaults to a 10k blocksize
when writing to tape).  conv=sync isn't needed since the source file is
already a multiple of the target device blocksize (512 bytes), and bs=64k
would be much faster when writing to cheap flash devices like USB sticks
since they don't have a write cache and individual writes are slowish.

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Copying memstick image to a USB (flash/thumb) drive

[Ronald F. Guilmette]

I've never used any FreeBSD memstick image before, but now I have reason
to do so.

I'm reading the instructions for creating a bootable memstick that are
located on this page:

  http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.1R/announce.html

which include the following example of how to perform the copy:

  # dd if=FreeBSD-9.1-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img of=/dev/da0 bs=10240 conv=sync

Question:

   Why exactly is "conv=sync" is there?

   Also, in practice what does it actually do?  (I've used dd plenty in my
   lifetime, but never found any reason to use conv= at all.  I always
   thought that it was... mostly... just an archaic leftover from the days
   when some big iron used EBCDIC that needed to get converted to ASCII
   or vise versa.)

   The dd man page describes the "sync" type of "conversion" thusly:
   "Pad every input block to the input buffer size.  Spaces are used for
   pad bytes if a block oriented conversion value is specified, otherwise
   NUL bytes are used."  Ummm... ok.  WTF is a "block oriented conversion
   value"?  How would I know if I had specified one?

Question:

Why exactly is the "bs=10240" is there?  Wouldn't the default of 512
do just as well?


Regards,
rfg
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Re: Crucial SSD firmware upgrade -- usb flash drive issues

[Gary Aitken]

On 02/01/13 22:06, Zoran Kolic wrote:
> If I understand correctly, it is iso image from ssd manufacturer.
> They tend to think everybody uses win and has cd drive. Quick
> search might give easy answer, if win/linux box is available. You
> could try out unetbootin. Tutorial says it takes an image and
> makes bootable usb stick.

On 02/01/13 17:05, Warren Block wrote:

> The implications of trying to custom build an SSD firmware update image from 
> a CD could be big, and it's really not something to experiment with unless 
> you feel lucky.
> 
>> From a user support standpoint, the first thing to do is send a "Why 
> aren't you supporting your users with a memory stick firmware update? Many 
> people no longer have CD drives."
> 
> Practically speaking, that is not likely to result in a quick result, or 
> possibly any result.  So use a program they recommend, or use an external CD 
> drive to update the firmware.

The mfg claims the iso image is suitable for booting either from CD or a usb
stick; with the caveat that you use some magic software to write the bootable
usb stick.  I guess I'll just find a way to write a CD.

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Re: Crucial SSD firmware upgrade -- usb flash drive issues

[Zoran Kolic]

If I understand correctly, it is iso image from ssd manufacturer.
They tend to think everybody uses win and has cd drive. Quick
search might give easy answer, if win/linux box is available. You
could try out unetbootin. Tutorial says it takes an image and
makes bootable usb stick.
Best regards

Zoran


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Re: Crucial SSD firmware upgrade -- usb flash drive issues

[Warren Block]

On Fri, 1 Feb 2013, Gary Aitken wrote:

On 02/01/13 11:03, Sean Cavanaugh wrote:


Please see the below site for a script to convert the .ISO into a .IMG that
can be dd written to the thumb drive

http://www.daemonforums.org/showthread.php?t=4361


That looks to be specific to converting a FreeBSD installer CD to memory 
stick... which of course is not needed any more.


The implications of trying to custom build an SSD firmware update image 
from a CD could be big, and it's really not something to experiment with 
unless you feel lucky.


From a user support standpoint, the first thing to do is send a "Why 
aren't you supporting your users with a memory stick firmware update? 
Many people no longer have CD drives."


Practically speaking, that is not likely to result in a quick result, or 
possibly any result.  So use a program they recommend, or use an 
external CD drive to update the firmware.

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Re: Crucial SSD firmware upgrade -- usb flash drive issues

[Gary Aitken]

On 02/01/13 11:03, Sean Cavanaugh wrote:
>> -Original Message-
>> From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-
>> questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Gary Aitken
>> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 12:55 PM
>> To: FreeBSD Mailing List
>> Subject: Crucial SSD firmware upgrade -- usb flash drive issues
>>
>> I've got a Crucial m4 SSD which needs a firmware upgrade.
>> From the Crucial website I've downloaded an image which supposedly is an
>> iso image bootable from either CD or a usb stick.
>>
>> Since the fbsd install images are different for booting from cd and usb
> flash
>> drives (the flash image is significantly larger), I'm wondering if there's
>> anything I need to be aware of when attempting this.
>>
>> I tried copying the ssd firmware update image to a flash drive using:
>>   dd if=firmwareupdate.iso of=/dev/da0 bs=64k which seemed to work.
>>
>> However, when I attempt to boot the device, BIOS complains about it not
>> being bootable and says to fix it or select something else which is
> bootable.
>>
>> I know the drive can be bootable because I used it for the fbsd 9.1 usb
> boot
>> image and it worked fine.
>>
>> The documentation for the SSD firmware upgrade says "Create a Bootable
>> USB Drive"
>> with the following steps (summarized here, no real content omitted):
>>
>>   1.  Start with a newly formatted USB drive
>>   2.  Open a USB installer program.  If you don't have one, you may
> download
>>   a free one such as Universal USB Installer...
>>   3.  If you are using the Universal USB Installer, then:
>>   3a. At the Step 1 drop down box, scroll to the bottom and select
>>   the last option: Try Unlisted Linux ISO
>>   3b. Go to step 2 (in the pgm) and browse to the firmware ISO that you
>>   downloaded earlier
>>   3c. Go to step 3 (in the pgm) and select the flash drive on which you
>>   want to install the ISO
>>   3d. Click the Create button and click Format E:\Drive
>>   3e. A sequence of screens will appear and disappear...
>>
>> The above is all highly confusing to me, as it's not clear who's doing
> what.
>> I'm guessing the "Universal Installer Program" actually writes a boot
> block
>> and then the bootable image someplace beyond that, and the iso image
>> supplied is not really a complete bootable image for a flash drive -- it's
>> missing the boot blocks.
>>
>> Can anyone suggest a way to create a bootable flash drive using this
> image?
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> 
> 
> 
> Please see the below site for a script to convert the .ISO into a .IMG that
> can be dd written to the thumb drive
> 
> http://www.daemonforums.org/showthread.php?t=4361

Thanks, that was a help.

However, when it boots, I get the following:

  No /boot/loader
  FreeBSD/x86 boot
  Default: 0:ad(0,a)/boot/kernel/kernel
  boot:

I can mount the thumb drive as a ufs file system, which looks like this:
  /boot/
solinux/
boot.cat
boot2880.img
bootmsg.txt
isolinux.bin
isolinux.cfg
memdisk
splash.lss
  /legal.txt
  /revision.txt

Assuming this is all good as a stand-alone linux image, what do I need to 
enter at the boot: prompt to get it to boot?  It's not clear to me what the
code to be booted is.

The isolinux.cfg file looks like this:
  PROMPT 1
  TIMEOUT 30

  DEFAULT default

  DISPLAY bootMsg.txt

  LABEL default
KERNEL memdisk
append initrd=boot2880.img floppy raw

  LABEL alternate
KERNEL memdisk
append initrd=boot2880.img floppy

Thanks for any hints...

Gary
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RE: Crucial SSD firmware upgrade -- usb flash drive issues

[Sean Cavanaugh]

> -Original Message-
> From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-
> questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Gary Aitken
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 12:55 PM
> To: FreeBSD Mailing List
> Subject: Crucial SSD firmware upgrade -- usb flash drive issues
> 
> I've got a Crucial m4 SSD which needs a firmware upgrade.
> From the Crucial website I've downloaded an image which supposedly is an
> iso image bootable from either CD or a usb stick.
> 
> Since the fbsd install images are different for booting from cd and usb
flash
> drives (the flash image is significantly larger), I'm wondering if there's
> anything I need to be aware of when attempting this.
> 
> I tried copying the ssd firmware update image to a flash drive using:
>   dd if=firmwareupdate.iso of=/dev/da0 bs=64k which seemed to work.
> 
> However, when I attempt to boot the device, BIOS complains about it not
> being bootable and says to fix it or select something else which is
bootable.
> 
> I know the drive can be bootable because I used it for the fbsd 9.1 usb
boot
> image and it worked fine.
> 
> The documentation for the SSD firmware upgrade says "Create a Bootable
> USB Drive"
> with the following steps (summarized here, no real content omitted):
> 
>   1.  Start with a newly formatted USB drive
>   2.  Open a USB installer program.  If you don't have one, you may
download
>   a free one such as Universal USB Installer...
>   3.  If you are using the Universal USB Installer, then:
>   3a. At the Step 1 drop down box, scroll to the bottom and select
>   the last option: Try Unlisted Linux ISO
>   3b. Go to step 2 (in the pgm) and browse to the firmware ISO that you
>   downloaded earlier
>   3c. Go to step 3 (in the pgm) and select the flash drive on which you
>   want to install the ISO
>   3d. Click the Create button and click Format E:\Drive
>   3e. A sequence of screens will appear and disappear...
> 
> The above is all highly confusing to me, as it's not clear who's doing
what.
> I'm guessing the "Universal Installer Program" actually writes a boot
block
> and then the bootable image someplace beyond that, and the iso image
> supplied is not really a complete bootable image for a flash drive -- it's
> missing the boot blocks.
> 
> Can anyone suggest a way to create a bootable flash drive using this
image?
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Please see the below site for a script to convert the .ISO into a .IMG that
can be dd written to the thumb drive

http://www.daemonforums.org/showthread.php?t=4361

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Crucial SSD firmware upgrade -- usb flash drive issues

[Gary Aitken]

I've got a Crucial m4 SSD which needs a firmware upgrade.
>From the Crucial website I've downloaded an image which supposedly is an iso
image bootable from either CD or a usb stick.  

Since the fbsd install images are different for booting from cd and usb
flash drives (the flash image is significantly larger), 
I'm wondering if there's anything I need to be aware of when attempting this.

I tried copying the ssd firmware update image to a flash drive using:
  dd if=firmwareupdate.iso of=/dev/da0 bs=64k
which seemed to work.

However, when I attempt to boot the device, BIOS complains about it not
being bootable and says to fix it or select something else which is bootable.

I know the drive can be bootable because I used it for the fbsd 9.1 usb boot
image and it worked fine.

The documentation for the SSD firmware upgrade says "Create a Bootable USB 
Drive"
with the following steps (summarized here, no real content omitted):

  1.  Start with a newly formatted USB drive
  2.  Open a USB installer program.  If you don't have one, you may download
  a free one such as Universal USB Installer...
  3.  If you are using the Universal USB Installer, then:
  3a. At the Step 1 drop down box, scroll to the bottom and select
  the last option: Try Unlisted Linux ISO
  3b. Go to step 2 (in the pgm) and browse to the firmware ISO that you
  downloaded earlier
  3c. Go to step 3 (in the pgm) and select the flash drive on which you
  want to install the ISO
  3d. Click the Create button and click Format E:\Drive
  3e. A sequence of screens will appear and disappear...

The above is all highly confusing to me, as it's not clear who's doing what.
I'm guessing the "Universal Installer Program" actually writes a boot block
and then the bootable image someplace beyond that, and the iso image supplied
is not really a complete bootable image for a flash drive -- it's missing the
boot blocks.

Can anyone suggest a way to create a bootable flash drive using this image?
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Re: nvidia and flash plugin problem

[Patrick Lamaiziere]

Le Wed, 03 Oct 2012 19:13:11 +0930,
Shane Ambler  a écrit :

> I have a GT 520 with 9.0 amd64 and found that v304.43 refused to run
> my second monitor so I went back to v295.

Did you check the resolution of the second monitor? Here on my box, v304
does not handle any more the previous resolution used:

http://osdir.com/ml/freebsd-x11/2012-09/msg00067.html

Regards.
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Re: nvidia and flash plugin problem

[Mark Felder]

http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-announce/2012-September/002066.html

This is very much related.
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Re: nvidia and flash plugin problem

[Shane Ambler]

On 03/10/2012 04:46, David Demelier wrote:

Hello,

I have a nvidia GT 630 and use the flash plugin, I've got a very
strange problem, on youtube (or any flash video), the colors are just
broken.

This is happening on a FreeBSD 9.0 amd64 box with

linux-f10-flashplugin-11.2r202.238 nvidia-driver-304.51



That may be an issue with v304. I'm guessing you had no problems with
v295 drivers.

I have a GT 520 with 9.0 amd64 and found that v304.43 refused to run my
second monitor so I went back to v295.

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Re: nvidia and flash plugin problem

[David Demelier]

On 02/10/2012 21:16, David Demelier wrote:

Hello,

I have a nvidia GT 630 and use the flash plugin, I've got a very strange
problem, on youtube (or any flash video), the colors are just broken.

See:

1. http://markand.malikania.fr/1.png
2. http://markand.malikania.fr/2.png

On the second picture, the man is supposed to wear a cyan shirt!

One thing more, it is *very* *very* strange, if I open a new firefox
tab, I can see some bits of the video frame in the new tab!

This is happening on a FreeBSD 9.0 amd64 box with

linux-f10-flashplugin-11.2r202.238
nvidia-driver-304.51

Cheers,



After some research, it seems to be a general bug in the adobe flash 
plugin, to fix it,


Right click on a video, click settings and disable hardware acceleration.

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nvidia and flash plugin problem

[David Demelier]

Hello,

I have a nvidia GT 630 and use the flash plugin, I've got a very strange 
problem, on youtube (or any flash video), the colors are just broken.


See:

1. http://markand.malikania.fr/1.png
2. http://markand.malikania.fr/2.png

On the second picture, the man is supposed to wear a cyan shirt!

One thing more, it is *very* *very* strange, if I open a new firefox 
tab, I can see some bits of the video frame in the new tab!


This is happening on a FreeBSD 9.0 amd64 box with

linux-f10-flashplugin-11.2r202.238
nvidia-driver-304.51

Cheers,

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Re: Flash in Firefox

[ajtiM]

On Tuesday 31 July 2012 11:44:32 Jerry wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 05:20:13 -0500
> 
> ajtiM articulated:
> > Works on Opera here too but after updtae Firefox to 14.0.1 doesn't
> > work on Firefox. Ans as I red on Linux forums they have a problem
> > with Firefox 14.0.1 too.
> 
> This one is not working with Firefox 14.0.1 either.
> 
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/26/jon-stewart-you-didnt-build-that_n
> _1705264.html?ir=Politics&ncid=edlinkusaolp0009&utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&co
> mm_ref=false#sb=3507831,b=facebook

He is good.

It works works on Firefox 14.0.1 now.
What I did was again run nspluginwrapper -v -a -i and it works. 

Mitja

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Re: Flash in Firefox

[Jerry]

On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 05:20:13 -0500
ajtiM articulated:

> Works on Opera here too but after updtae Firefox to 14.0.1 doesn't
> work on Firefox. Ans as I red on Linux forums they have a problem
> with Firefox 14.0.1 too.

This one is not working with Firefox 14.0.1 either.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/26/jon-stewart-you-didnt-build-that_n_1705264.html?ir=Politics&ncid=edlinkusaolp0009&utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false#sb=3507831,b=facebook

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Re: Flash in Firefox

[ajtiM]

On Tuesday 31 July 2012 00:42:42 Jeff Tipton wrote:
> On 07/31/2012 05:18, Polytropon wrote:
> > On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:55:46 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote:
> >> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Manish Jain wrote:
> >>> Okay, so can you please go to the URL below and see whether the bubbles
> >>> work for you ?
> >>> 
> >>> http://news.discovery.com/human/games-lumosity-word-bubbles.html
> >>> 
> >>> [...]
> >> 
> >> Works here.  amd64,
> >> 
> >> firefox-14.0.1,1
> >> linux-f10-flashplugin-11.2r202.236_1
> >> 
> >> Set up as the Handbook describes.
> > 
> > Also works here, FreeBSD/i386 8.2-STABLE of August 2011, setup
> > according to the Handbook, with the difference that I'm using
> > Opera here with the following ports:
> > 
> > opera-11.50
> > opera-linuxplugins-11.50
> > linux-f10-flashplugin-10.3r183.5
> 
> And it works here.
> chromium-15.0.874.121 OR midori-0.4.2
> linux-f10-flashplugin-11.1r102.55
> 
> Setup as per Handbook.
> I also have IcedTea-Web Plugin (using IcedTea-Web 1.1.4) (for Java
> applets, also following setup according to Handbook) but I don't think
> it makes difference here.
> 
> -Jeff
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Works on Opera here too but after updtae Firefox to 14.0.1 doesn't work on 
Firefox. Ans as I red on Linux forums they have a problem with Firefox 14.0.1  
too.

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Re: Flash in Firefox

[Jeff Tipton]

On 07/31/2012 05:18, Polytropon wrote:

On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:55:46 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Manish Jain wrote:

Okay, so can you please go to the URL below and see whether the bubbles work
for you ?

http://news.discovery.com/human/games-lumosity-word-bubbles.html

[...]

Works here.  amd64,

firefox-14.0.1,1
linux-f10-flashplugin-11.2r202.236_1

Set up as the Handbook describes.

Also works here, FreeBSD/i386 8.2-STABLE of August 2011, setup
according to the Handbook, with the difference that I'm using
Opera here with the following ports:

opera-11.50
opera-linuxplugins-11.50
linux-f10-flashplugin-10.3r183.5




And it works here.
chromium-15.0.874.121 OR midori-0.4.2
linux-f10-flashplugin-11.1r102.55

Setup as per Handbook.
I also have IcedTea-Web Plugin (using IcedTea-Web 1.1.4) (for Java 
applets, also following setup according to Handbook) but I don't think 
it makes difference here.


-Jeff
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Re: Flash in Firefox

[Polytropon]

On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:55:46 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Manish Jain wrote:
> > Okay, so can you please go to the URL below and see whether the bubbles 
> > work 
> > for you ?
> >
> > http://news.discovery.com/human/games-lumosity-word-bubbles.html
> >
> > [...]
>
> Works here.  amd64,
> 
> firefox-14.0.1,1
> linux-f10-flashplugin-11.2r202.236_1
> 
> Set up as the Handbook describes.

Also works here, FreeBSD/i386 8.2-STABLE of August 2011, setup
according to the Handbook, with the difference that I'm using
Opera here with the following ports:

opera-11.50
opera-linuxplugins-11.50
linux-f10-flashplugin-10.3r183.5



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Re: Flash in Firefox

[ajtiM]

On Monday 30 July 2012 16:49:09 Warren Block wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012, ajtiM wrote:
> > It doesn't work on my computer:
> > FreeBSD 9.0 Release, KDE 4.8.4
> > 
> > I updated Firefox 13 to 14.0.1 and flash doesn't work anymore (on Opera
> > works). In pluginred.dat I have:
> > [INVALID]
> > /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-f10-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so:$
> > 1336714805000:$
> > 
> > On the previous version of Firefox I didn't have a problem with the same
> > version of flash plugin.
> 
> Is that linux-f10-flashplugin10 or linux-f10-flashplugin11?

It is linuxf10-flashplugin11

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Re: Flash in Firefox

[Warren Block]

On Mon, 30 Jul 2012, ajtiM wrote:


It doesn't work on my computer:
FreeBSD 9.0 Release, KDE 4.8.4

I updated Firefox 13 to 14.0.1 and flash doesn't work anymore (on Opera works).
In pluginred.dat I have:
[INVALID]
/usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-f10-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so:$
1336714805000:$

On the previous version of Firefox I didn't have a problem with the same
version of flash plugin.


Is that linux-f10-flashplugin10 or linux-f10-flashplugin11?
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Re: Flash in Firefox

[ajtiM]

On Monday 30 July 2012 15:55:46 Warren Block wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Manish Jain wrote:
> > <<
> > I've not experienced any problem with sites that
> > use Flash, including Youtube.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Okay, so can you please go to the URL below and see whether the bubbles
> > work for you ?
> > 
> > http://news.discovery.com/human/games-lumosity-word-bubbles.html
> > 
> > I don't have a problem with YouTube either. But if the flash at the URL
> > above works for you, I request you to kindly share with me the ports I
> > need to install. I spent a lot of time, energy and bandwidth
> > installing/reinstalling over a dozen ports, including opera. But neither
> > opera nor firefox on my system work for the subject URL
> 
> Works here.  amd64,
> 
> firefox-14.0.1,1
> linux-f10-flashplugin-11.2r202.236_1
> 
> Set up as the Handbook describes.
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It doesn't work on my computer:
FreeBSD 9.0 Release, KDE 4.8.4

I updated Firefox 13 to 14.0.1 and flash doesn't work anymore (on Opera works).
In pluginred.dat I have:
[INVALID]
/usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-f10-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so:$
1336714805000:$

On the previous version of Firefox I didn't have a problem with the same 
version of flash plugin.

Mitja

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Re: Flash in Firefox

[Warren Block]

On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Manish Jain wrote:


<<
I've not experienced any problem with sites that
use Flash, including Youtube.





Okay, so can you please go to the URL below and see whether the bubbles work 
for you ?


http://news.discovery.com/human/games-lumosity-word-bubbles.html

I don't have a problem with YouTube either. But if the flash at the URL above 
works for you, I request you to kindly share with me the ports I need to 
install. I spent a lot of time, energy and bandwidth installing/reinstalling 
over a dozen ports, including opera. But neither opera nor firefox on my 
system work for the subject URL


Works here.  amd64,

firefox-14.0.1,1
linux-f10-flashplugin-11.2r202.236_1

Set up as the Handbook describes.
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Re: Flash in Firefox

[Lars Eighner]

On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Manish Jain wrote:


<<
I've not experienced any problem with sites that
use Flash, including Youtube.





Hi Jeff,

Okay, so can you please go to the URL below and see whether the bubbles work 
for you ?




recent linux-flash 12.x do not work with any recent version of firefox when
the server uses the standard flowplayer set-up (with JS).  It does work with
flowplayer when used with the flowplayer "alternate" configuration which is
pure html5.  Of course, as a user you are SOL if a site has elected to use
the JS version of flowplayer. Rolling linux-flash back 6 months or a year
will fix this, and it is hoped it will get fixed when linux-flash is bumped
to 13.x



Please send a cc of your reply to me at bourne.ident...@hotmail.com



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Flash in Firefox

[Manish Jain]

<<
I've not experienced any problem with sites that
use Flash, including Youtube.
>>


Hi Jeff,

Okay, so can you please go to the URL below and see whether the bubbles 
work for you ?


http://news.discovery.com/human/games-lumosity-word-bubbles.html

I don't have a problem with YouTube either. But if the flash at the URL 
above works for you, I request you to kindly share with me the ports I 
need to install. I spent a lot of time, energy and bandwidth 
installing/reinstalling over a dozen ports, including opera. But neither 
opera nor firefox on my system work for the subject URL


Please send a cc of your reply to me at bourne.ident...@hotmail.com


Thanks &
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Re: How to get Huawei EC1561 USB modem working under FreeBSD, 8.2? Moving on to the next problem :-) -> Flash in Firefox

[Jeff Tipton]

On 07/29/2012 22:23, Jeff Tipton wrote:

On 07/29/2012 21:31, Jerry wrote:

On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 23:35:06 +0530
Manish Jain articulated:


Thanks for your inputs. I have finally got FreeBSD to speak to the
internet. Now I have one more problem before I can live in peace. I
am fond of a game hosted via the Discovery channel's website :

http://news.discovery.com/human/games-lumosity-word-bubbles.html

The game needs Adobe flash player. So I installed
linux-f10-flashplugin11. But firefox 5.0 does not seem to integrate
with it well. I then tried installing a couple of more ports,
including swfdec and gnash. Still firefox won't play the game.

Is there something special I need to do ? Thanks for any help.

I feel your pain. I have had less than stellar success with getting a
large number of sites to interact correctly with Firefox on FreeBSD when
flash was involved, and sometimes even when it wasn't. I have heard
that Opera works better but I have no personal knowledge of it. I
finally gave up awhile ago. I just use my Windows machine when I
absolutely, positively have to get a site working correctly. Life is
too short to sweat the small stuff and golf is a lot more fun.

I have chromium-15.0.874.121 with linux-f10-flashplugin-11.1r102.55, 
and I set them up as described in the FreeBSD Handbook, and they work 
OK for me. True, I'm not much into games (don't use online games at 
all) but otherwise I've not experienced any problem with sites that 
use Flash, including Youtube.

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Re: How to get Huawei EC1561 USB modem working under FreeBSD, 8.2? Moving on to the next problem :-) -> Flash in Firefox

[Jeff Tipton]

On 07/29/2012 21:31, Jerry wrote:

On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 23:35:06 +0530
Manish Jain articulated:


Thanks for your inputs. I have finally got FreeBSD to speak to the
internet. Now I have one more problem before I can live in peace. I
am fond of a game hosted via the Discovery channel's website :

http://news.discovery.com/human/games-lumosity-word-bubbles.html

The game needs Adobe flash player. So I installed
linux-f10-flashplugin11. But firefox 5.0 does not seem to integrate
with it well. I then tried installing a couple of more ports,
including swfdec and gnash. Still firefox won't play the game.

Is there something special I need to do ? Thanks for any help.

I feel your pain. I have had less than stellar success with getting a
large number of sites to interact correctly with Firefox on FreeBSD when
flash was involved, and sometimes even when it wasn't. I have heard
that Opera works better but I have no personal knowledge of it. I
finally gave up awhile ago. I just use my Windows machine when I
absolutely, positively have to get a site working correctly. Life is
too short to sweat the small stuff and golf is a lot more fun.

I have chromium-15.0.874.121 with linux-f10-flashplugin-11.1r102.55, and 
I set them up as described in the FreeBSD Handbook, and they work OK for 
me. True, I'm not much into games (don't use online games at all) but 
otherwise I've not experienced any problem with sites that use Flash, 
including Youtube.

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Re: How to get Huawei EC1561 USB modem working under FreeBSD, 8.2? Moving on to the next problem :-) -> Flash in Firefox

[Jerry]

On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 23:35:06 +0530
Manish Jain articulated:

> Thanks for your inputs. I have finally got FreeBSD to speak to the 
> internet. Now I have one more problem before I can live in peace. I
> am fond of a game hosted via the Discovery channel's website :
> 
> http://news.discovery.com/human/games-lumosity-word-bubbles.html
> 
> The game needs Adobe flash player. So I installed 
> linux-f10-flashplugin11. But firefox 5.0 does not seem to integrate
> with it well. I then tried installing a couple of more ports,
> including swfdec and gnash. Still firefox won't play the game.
> 
> Is there something special I need to do ? Thanks for any help.

I feel your pain. I have had less than stellar success with getting a
large number of sites to interact correctly with Firefox on FreeBSD when
flash was involved, and sometimes even when it wasn't. I have heard
that Opera works better but I have no personal knowledge of it. I
finally gave up awhile ago. I just use my Windows machine when I
absolutely, positively have to get a site working correctly. Life is
too short to sweat the small stuff and golf is a lot more fun.

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Re: How to get Huawei EC1561 USB modem working under FreeBSD, 8.2? Moving on to the next problem :-) -> Flash in Firefox

[Manish Jain]

Hi,

Thanks for your inputs. I have finally got FreeBSD to speak to the 
internet. Now I have one more problem before I can live in peace. I am 
fond of a game hosted via the Discovery channel's website :


http://news.discovery.com/human/games-lumosity-word-bubbles.html

The game needs Adobe flash player. So I installed 
linux-f10-flashplugin11. But firefox 5.0 does not seem to integrate with 
it well. I then tried installing a couple of more ports, including 
swfdec and gnash. Still firefox won't play the game.


Is there something special I need to do ? Thanks for any help.

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Re: Format a USB flash drive using gpart

[Jerry McAllister]

On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 07:44:28AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:

> >You don't.  You wipe the FAT32 with fdisk and make a FreeBSD slice on it.
> >Then you can bsdlabel it with one partition and newfs it.  Or you can
> 
> repeat 100 times more that you "have to" make fdisk and bsdlabel. you 
> don't, and it doesn't make sense

You can do many things as indicated in several posts and most of them 
will work if you want it that way.   But, they do not answer the
question as posted.

Turning the USB stick into a FreeBSD type or mounting it as MSDOSFS
does answer that question.   

I am not sure why the rabid promotion of non-slicing, but it not
worth all the extra bandwidth applied to it.

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Re: Format a USB flash drive using gpart

[Warren Block]

On Mon, 9 Jul 2012, Bruce Cran wrote:


On 09/07/2012 11:16, Polytropon wrote:

If you're talking about an MS-DOS disk, then yes, it contains
a DOS partition which is formatted. In FreeBSD, we would call
it a slice (slice == "DOS primary partition"). In this case,
there is no (sub)partitioning, the _slice_ carries the MS-DOS
file system here. You know that MS-DOS does not have support
for partitioning.


Floppy disks aren't partitioned/sliced - they use 'dangerously dedicated' 
mode, containing nothing except the filesystem.


"Dangerously dedicated" refers to a disk with a bsdlabel partition table 
and boot block.  Floppies don't have even that, it's just a raw 
filesystem.

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Re: Format a USB flash drive using gpart

[Ian Smith]

On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 21:00:40 +0100, Bruce Cran wrote:
 > On 08/07/2012 16:06, Ian Smith wrote:
 > > In general they're not distinct in usage from any other type of disk.
 > 
 > The more expensive disks of course support TRIM so you'd want to pass -t to
 > newfs to enable it.

Thanks.  Next time I blow around AU$455 on a 120GB flashdrive, I'll be 
glad to be better informed about getting the most out of it :)

At least with sysinstall|sade you can set extra newfs options such as 
-t, and as importantly for me, you can toggle whether or not to newfs 
particular partition/s, such as leaving say /home alone on an existing 
partitioning, which didn't seem straightforward with bsdinstall last I 
tried (admittedly at 9.0-BETA1) but I've not followed later updates.

I might take Matthew's suggestion and try the PCBSD 9 installer; I did 
boot a PCBSD 8 memstick at one stage, and was surprisingly impressed -
or I could use freebsd-update instead of sources to go from 7.4 to 9.1

"It's the options that drive ya crazy" -- Silly Symphony C.'83

cheers, Ian
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Re: Format a USB flash drive using gpart

[Bruce Cran]

On 09/07/2012 13:29, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
only your fault, not FreeBSD. Why you connected your data disk at 
first place.


I didn't say it was FreeBSD's fault. If I thought it was, I would have 
fixed it!


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Re: Format a USB flash drive using gpart

[Wojciech Puchar]

A company I worked with were still distributing files on floppy disks as 
recently as 2009.

quite funny :)

They _are_ obsolete, but I suspect plenty of people still 
use them.



unless it is a normal way of using it.


That's right - I was thinking of my system where I destroyed all the data on 
a HDD because it didn't have a partition table. When I ran the FreeBSD 
only your fault, not FreeBSD. Why you connected your data disk at first 
place.

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Re: Format a USB flash drive using gpart

[Bruce Cran]

On 09/07/2012 13:17, Wojciech Puchar wrote:

they use "dangerously obsolete" mode. nobody use them at all.



A company I worked with were still distributing files on floppy disks as 
recently as 2009. They _are_ obsolete, but I suspect plenty of people 
still use them.



unless it is a normal way of using it.


That's right - I was thinking of my system where I destroyed all the 
data on a HDD because it didn't have a partition table. When I ran the 
FreeBSD installer and saw the disk was 'empty' I forgot it had a 
filesystem and reformatted it. Obviously people using floppy or USB 
disks would be more ready for there to be data on the disk without a 
partition table.


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Re: Format a USB flash drive using gpart

[Wojciech Puchar]

Floppy disks aren't partitioned/sliced - they use 'dangerously dedicated'


they use "dangerously obsolete" mode. nobody use them at all.

disk's empty.  If you're on an old system and run 'gpart show da0' and don't 
see a partition table it's quite easy to forget to check if da0 itself 
contains a filesystem.


unless it is a normal way of using it.
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Re: Format a USB flash drive using gpart

[Bruce Cran]

On 09/07/2012 11:16, Polytropon wrote:

If you're talking about an MS-DOS disk, then yes, it contains
a DOS partition which is formatted. In FreeBSD, we would call
it a slice (slice == "DOS primary partition"). In this case,
there is no (sub)partitioning, the _slice_ carries the MS-DOS
file system here. You know that MS-DOS does not have support
for partitioning.


Floppy disks aren't partitioned/sliced - they use 'dangerously 
dedicated' mode, containing nothing except the filesystem. The way you'd 
mount it would be:


mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/point

You can do the same with a normal USB or other disk using:

newfs /dev/da0
mount /dev/da0 /mnt/point

The reason it's called 'dangerously dedicated' I think is that other 
systems - or even the same system months/years later if you forget and 
run the wrong tools - won't know there's a filesystem there and it's 
easy to think the disk's empty.  If you're on an old system and run 
'gpart show da0' and don't see a partition table it's quite easy to 
forget to check if da0 itself contains a filesystem.


When using GPT what were called slices are now partitions, and instead 
of 'ada0s1a' (disk 0, slice 1, partition a) you just have 'ada0p1'. A 
partition table supports up to 4096 entries (gpart creates one 
supporting 128 by default) so there's no need for the freebsd container 
any more - you just create freebsd-boot, freebsd-ufs, freebsd-zfs, 
freebsd-swap entries e.g. 'gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -s 64g da0'.


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Re: Format a USB flash drive using gpart

[Wojciech Puchar]

If you're talking about an MS-DOS disk, then yes, it contains
a DOS partition which is formatted. In FreeBSD, we would call
it a slice (slice == "DOS primary partition"). In this case,
there is no (sub)partitioning, the _slice_ carries the MS-DOS


unless you need windows 98 support partitionless USB drives works 
absolutely fine


clear it out

dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/da0 bs=64k count=1


format

newfs_msdos /dev/da0


Same question for CDs?


Not sure. A CD contains an ISO-9660 file system without an
enclosing partition per se.

In FreeBSD (as well as NetBSD, OpenBSD, maybe linux) CD is just block 
device. You may make disklabel on it, and whatever you like.



In excuse of OS (windows) CD/DVD MUST BE CD9660 or UDF formatted without 
partitions.


You may record NTFS formatted DVD, perfectly readable on FReeBSD, 
unreadable under windows in spite it is windows native filesystem.


--
You may actually make "hybrid" DVD that will show whatever you want under 
windoze, and have real data in tar format.


below the recipe:

1) prepare windows-vizible layout, all needed viruses and autorun.inf in 
some directory and do


mkisofs -J -q .|dd of=/path/to/tempfile bs=512 skip=1

2)

tar cf - /path/to/tempfile ...list of what you want to be tarred...|growisofs 
-dvd-compat -Z /dev/cd0=-


now use tar to read files from that DVD, while in windows it will run 
viruses properly.




a virtual partition?


As devices and "real files" are "quite the same", you can mount
a file system that is contained in a file. You typically do this
when doing data recovery and forensic analysis, where your starting
point is an image file of a disk, a slice or a partition. You
then "connect" it to a virtual node (vnconfig - e. g. md0) and


vnconfig is quite in old FreeBSD
today it is mdconfig

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Re: Format a USB flash drive using gpart

[Polytropon]

On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 23:27:23 -0400, Thomas Mueller wrote:
> You mean the non-subdivided 1.44 MB or other capacity of a floppy
> is called a partition?

Let's try to use the correct terminology.

If you're talking about an MS-DOS disk, then yes, it contains
a DOS partition which is formatted. In FreeBSD, we would call
it a slice (slice == "DOS primary partition"). In this case,
there is no (sub)partitioning, the _slice_ carries the MS-DOS
file system here. You know that MS-DOS does not have support
for partitioning.



> Same question for CDs?

Not sure. A CD contains an ISO-9660 file system without an
enclosing partition per se.

If we look back into OS history, we find the magical 'c' partition.
Historically, partition letters have been reserved for specific
purposes: the 'a' partition means a bootable partition, 'b' is
a swap partition, and 'c' is "the whole disk", refering either
to the disk device (da0c == da0) or the whole slice (da0s1c == da0s1).

You _can_ put a UFS file system, even many of them, on a CD, that
is possible, but don't expect any "Windows" to be able to deal
with it. :-)



> Also, a file system can be contained in an image file.  Or is this
> a virtual partition?

As devices and "real files" are "quite the same", you can mount
a file system that is contained in a file. You typically do this
when doing data recovery and forensic analysis, where your starting
point is an image file of a disk, a slice or a partition. You
then "connect" it to a virtual node (vnconfig - e. g. md0) and
then you mount it as if it was a device file.



> Might 
>  # tar xf /dev/da0
> work in other BSDs or even other (quasi-)Unixes including Linux,
> using the appropriate device name where applicable in place of da0?

That's quite possible. I've been speaking about tar as "the most
universal file system which isn't one" -- I've been using it on
floppies many many years ago, to transfer data among Sun Sparcstations,
Linux workstations and a BSD server. It's important not to use
any "fancy" tar features, and of course you need to know the
device names corresponding to the floppy drive which differ
across the systems, but it is possible to first use fdformat,
then tar cf, then tar xf. This of course happened before the
dawn of networking. :-)



> While that particular construst could probably not be booted,
> it is possible to boot from a floppy or image file that does
> not contain a file system.

For bare booting, a file system isn't that essential. You just
have to make sure the "boot chain" is properly resolved, such
as for example the FreeBSD boot mechanism works. You can read
more about it in "man 8 boot".



> Some of the disk images on the System Rescue CD (sysresccd.org)
> are not viewable/mountable as file systems.

I haven't looked into this particular one, but that is very well
possible. A CD doesn't _need_ to be in a ISO-9660 format (even
though it's the default data format). The _implementation_ of
the boot mechanism matters: it could even select from several
different boot images stored in some arbitrary (but addressable)
manner on the CD.




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Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
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