RE: Foreign language posts (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

That would probbaly be colored by whether the help they got
worked for them or not.

Ted

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>Even better than the opinion of multilinguists
>would be that of those who don't know English,
>but came seeking help anyway.
>Unfortunatley, it might be a bit tricky
>to get such opinions
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Re: Foreign language posts (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()

[Leonard Zettel]

Even better than the opinion of multilinguists
would be that of those who don't know English,
but came seeking help anyway.
Unfortunatley, it might be a bit tricky
to get such opinions
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RE: Foreign language posts (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

>-Original Message-
>From: Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 9:55 AM
>To: Ted Mittelstaedt
>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Chad Leigh --
>Shire.Net LLC
>Subject: Re: Foreign language posts (was: Pooomoooc ;()
>
>
>Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>> Maybe it's just me but the idea of a bunch of English speakers
>> sitting around and debating whether or not to permit foreign
>> languages on the mailing list is a bit like a bunch of men sitting
>> around and debating whether or not to legalize abortion.
>> 
>> It's an issue that so obviously does not affect the discussors
>> that it's incredible any of them would believe it possibly affects
>> them in any way whatsoever.
>> 
>> Ted
>> 
>
>Why is that?

Because if the only language you know is English, you really don't
deserve to weigh in with you opinion on the issue.  Just as in abortion,
since if your a man you could never possibly have one, you don't deserve
to weigh in with an opinion, either.

>Because we have put down the effort of learning the 
>de facto standard language on the internet, we no longer may have 
>an opinion about the ones that haven't?
>Or did you just assume that everyone who speaks english is from 
>an english-speaking country?
>
>I'm swedish. I (naturally) prefer to speak swedish. But, I speak 
>2 other languages without problems

Then, you deserve to air your opinions on whether to speak English,
Swedish, and whatever other language you know on the mailing list, which
you have done so in response to the post.  In short, since you
know other languages than English, your opinion that we should use
English and nothing else on the mailing list carries far, far more
weight than that of the other english-only bozos that have posted
to this thread.

just as if science ever figues out how to allow a man to get pregnant
and carry a baby to term, then men would then have authority to speak
on the topic of abortion.

>and can make myself understood 
>in a few more. Still, I would never dream of posting to a 
>mailinglist in any other language then english, unless otherwise 
>requested.
>
>There are plenty of mailinglists and supportforums available in 
>almost every language you can imagine. There is no need to 
>increase the noise on @questions with posts that perhaps 1 or 2 
>percent of the subscribers can understand.
>

And if everyone that said that also stated that they knew other
languages, I think the discussion would have some merit.  Unfortunately
most of the posts have been attempts to justify why we should only
use English on the list.  No one else in support of the English-only
position has stated that they knew multiple languages and CHOSE
English INSTEAD of their native tongue.

Ted
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Re: Foreign language posts (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()

[Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg]

Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

Maybe it's just me but the idea of a bunch of English speakers
sitting around and debating whether or not to permit foreign
languages on the mailing list is a bit like a bunch of men sitting
around and debating whether or not to legalize abortion.

It's an issue that so obviously does not affect the discussors
that it's incredible any of them would believe it possibly affects
them in any way whatsoever.

Ted



Why is that? Because we have put down the effort of learning the 
de facto standard language on the internet, we no longer may have 
an opinion about the ones that haven't?
Or did you just assume that everyone who speaks english is from 
an english-speaking country?


I'm swedish. I (naturally) prefer to speak swedish. But, I speak 
2 other languages without problems and can make myself understood 
in a few more. Still, I would never dream of posting to a 
mailinglist in any other language then english, unless otherwise 
requested.


There are plenty of mailinglists and supportforums available in 
almost every language you can imagine. There is no need to 
increase the noise on @questions with posts that perhaps 1 or 2 
percent of the subscribers can understand.


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Re: Foreign language posts (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()

[Leonard Zettel]

On Wednesday 18 January 2006 03:25 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Wekk op n smehl da Kaffe, dood!
> >Effn ah kaint reed et, how dew ah no et
> >aint L kadeh plennen to rep muh guhrl?
> >bee jes lahk duh bestads ta yoose Politch!
> >  -LenZ-
>
> C'est du Klingon ??

Not Klingon; Mercan, my native tongue.
Maybe the spelling could use a little work though:-)
  -LenZ-

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Re: Foreign language posts (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()

[Martin Hudec]

Hello,

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Wekk op n smehl da Kaffe, dood!
Effn ah kaint reed et, how dew ah no et
aint L kadeh plennen to rep muh guhrl?
bee jes lahk duh bestads ta yoose Politch!
 -LenZ-


C'est du Klingon ??



[EMAIL PROTECTED] :)

Martin
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Re: Foreign language posts (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()

[ivan . roth]

>Wekk op n smehl da Kaffe, dood!
>Effn ah kaint reed et, how dew ah no et
>aint L kadeh plennen to rep muh guhrl?
>bee jes lahk duh bestads ta yoose Politch!
>  -LenZ-

C'est du Klingon ??

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Re: Foreign language posts (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()

[Leonard Zettel]

On Wednesday 18 January 2006 11:28 am, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> Maybe it's just me but the idea of a bunch of English speakers
> sitting around and debating whether or not to permit foreign
> languages on the mailing list is a bit like a bunch of men sitting
> around and debating whether or not to legalize abortion.
>
> It's an issue that so obviously does not affect the discussors
> that it's incredible any of them would believe it possibly affects
> them in any way whatsoever.
>
> Ted
>
Wekk op n smehl da Kaffe, dood!
Effn ah kaint reed et, how dew ah no et
aint L kadeh plennen to rep muh guhrl?
bee jes lahk duh bestads ta yoose Politch!
  -LenZ-

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> >Cc: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
> >Subject: Re: Foreign language posts (was: Pooomoooc ;()
> >
> >
> >On Wednesday 18 January 2006 05:53 am, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net
> >LLC wrote:
> >(snip)> I think you need to look up the word "xenophobe"
> >
> >> <http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=xenophobe>
> >>
> >> There is nothing in having an english-language-only list that fits
> >> the definition.
> >
> >Them dam furriners oughta get zivilized & learn Anglish!
> >  -LenZ-
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RE: Foreign language posts (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

Maybe it's just me but the idea of a bunch of English speakers
sitting around and debating whether or not to permit foreign
languages on the mailing list is a bit like a bunch of men sitting
around and debating whether or not to legalize abortion.

It's an issue that so obviously does not affect the discussors
that it's incredible any of them would believe it possibly affects
them in any way whatsoever.

Ted

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>Subject: Re: Foreign language posts (was: Pooomoooc ;()
>
>
>On Wednesday 18 January 2006 05:53 am, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net 
>LLC wrote:
>(snip)> I think you need to look up the word "xenophobe"
>>
>> <http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=xenophobe>
>>
>> There is nothing in having an english-language-only list that fits
>> the definition.
>>
>Them dam furriners oughta get zivilized & learn Anglish!
>  -LenZ-
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Re: Foreign language posts (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()

[Leonard Zettel]

On Wednesday 18 January 2006 05:53 am, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote:
(snip)> I think you need to look up the word "xenophobe"
>
> 
>
> There is nothing in having an english-language-only list that fits
> the definition.
>
Them dam furriners oughta get zivilized & learn Anglish!
  -LenZ-
(snip)
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Re: Foreign language posts (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()

[Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC]

On Tuesday, 17 January 2006 at 13:38:39 -0500, Bob Johnson wrote:

On 1/17/06, Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

TO JEST ANGIELSKA LISTA MAILOWA. POSZUKAJ POLSKIEJ

This is english mailing list, not Polish.



Historically, this has not been an English-only list.  Questions in
any language have been welcome on this list for the nine years that I
have subscribed.  Why people suddenly believe this has become an
English-only list is a mystery to me.  Perhaps one of you xenophobes
can explain it to me?


I think you need to look up the word "xenophobe"



There is nothing in having an english-language-only list that fits  
the definition.






Why does it bother you so much to see someone post in a language you
cannot read?  Why can't you just ignore it, just as you ignore other
questions that you aren't able to answer?



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Foreign language posts (was: Pooomooocyyyy ;()

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

On Tuesday, 17 January 2006 at 13:38:39 -0500, Bob Johnson wrote:
> On 1/17/06, Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> TO JEST ANGIELSKA LISTA MAILOWA. POSZUKAJ POLSKIEJ
>>
>> This is english mailing list, not Polish.
>>
>
> Historically, this has not been an English-only list.  Questions in
> any language have been welcome on this list for the nine years that I
> have subscribed.  Why people suddenly believe this has become an
> English-only list is a mystery to me.  Perhaps one of you xenophobes
> can explain it to me?

Simple: you misunderstand.

Over the eleven years I've been on this list, I've seen a handful of
foreign-language messages.  Everyone has prompted a "please write in
English" response.

> Why does it bother you so much to see someone post in a language you
> cannot read?  Why can't you just ignore it, just as you ignore other
> questions that you aren't able to answer?

It's a question of signal to noise ratio.  It also doesn't help the
sender as much as sending it to the correct list.

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