Free BSD

[Mateusz Rajca]

Hello,
 
In the old versions of FreeBSD like 4.4 you can choose 32-bit in the configuration. 
Why can't you choose 32-bit in FreeBSD 5.1? 
 
Regards,
 
Mateusz



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Free BSD

[Mateusz Rajca]

Hello,
 
In the old versions of FreeBSD like 4.4 you can
choose 32-bit in the configuration. Why can't you
choose 32-bit in FreeBSD 5.1? 
  
Regards,
  
Mateusz


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Free BSD

[T Glaser]

This website leads me to believe that this is an OS software package? I
don't know for sure though. What did I stumble across here? What are you
offering for free? Not real clear here on the website. If this is an OS do
you have any screen shots of what it looks like or is it command line?

Tim

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Free BSD

[K.T.]

   I think, BSD is one with lot of unusable, needless systems.
   You never get over Windows or Linux.
   FreeBSD is stupid system, which only nobody will use. :-(
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Free BSD

[Jan Prokop]

Hello,
I like open source solutions because it's a future.
I would like to help with spreading open source.
I've made e-shop OS3 (Open Source Solutions Shop - www.os3.wz.cz).
I'll help with spread by burned CDs.
I'll download somewhere your software and burn in on CDs and sell it to people who 
wants it.
Price of burned CD will be 30 Czech crowns (1euro) per CD.
This is price of CD-R medium. So can I burn and sell your software? Please send me 
your answer. Thanks you.

Have a nice day. Open source 4ever :-)



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FREE BSD

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free bsd !!!

[Marco]

Dear 

I would like to down load the free bsd,I all ready tryd on the url :free bsd
org but I am unable to down load it, since the down load source is FTP   and
I don't know how to down load an FTP file !! So please could you suggest me
how /where can I down load the free bsd in a simple manner 



Regards
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Free BSD 5.0

[Tiffany Miller]

I have a server operating systems class here at OSU-Okmulgee, and we are trying 
to install the Apache web server 2.0, but are unable to do so with the CD that 
came with our book or throught the port.  cd /usr/ports/www/apache2and make 
install do not work. It results with :  error 1
Could you please tell me if there is a version of apache we can install from 
the ports or how we could install an apache web server.
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Re: Free BSD

[Kris Kennaway]

On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 11:42:45AM -0800, Mateusz Rajca wrote:
> Hello,
>  
> In the old versions of FreeBSD like 4.4 you can choose 32-bit in the
> configuration. Why can't you choose 32-bit in FreeBSD 5.1?

Please explain what you mean in more detail.

Kris


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Re: Free BSD

[Jonathan Chen]

On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 05:42:47PM -0800, Mateusz Rajca wrote:
> Hello,
>  
> In the old versions of FreeBSD like 4.4 you can
> choose 32-bit in the configuration. Why can't you
> choose 32-bit in FreeBSD 5.1? 

FreeBSD runs 32bit or 64 bit depending on the machine it's installed on.
I don't recall any option allowing to choose bit-size in any version of
FreeBSD.

What are you talking about?
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Re: Free BSD

[Peter Ulrich Kruppa]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, T Glaser wrote:

> This website leads me to believe that this is an OS software package?
Yes, this absolutely true. I quote the headline on
http://www.freebsd.org :

What is FreeBSD?

FreeBSD is an advanced operating system for x86 compatible,
AMD64, DEC Alpha, IA-64, PC-98 and UltraSPARC® architectures.

x86 compatible means, you can run it on the usual Intel / AMD
systems.

> I
> don't know for sure though. What did I stumble across here? What are you
> offering for free?
You sound a little bit afraid. Although the FreeBSD logo is a
little red daemon called Beastie, there is nothing evil in it.
You don't have to sell your soul, neither buy a washing-machine.

> Not real clear here on the website. If this is an OS do
> you have any screen shots of what it looks like or is it command line?
FreeBSD is a little bit like linux:
If you like, you can set up a very basic OS with command-line
(nice for slow old machines), if you have the hardware you can
set up a modern multimedia desktop system like Gnome or KDE
(which are also well known in the linux world). All kinds of
server and network applications are available (and free).

If you have got some space on your harddisk, you could just give
4.9 -RELEASE a try.
For startup questions
http://www.freebsd.org/handbook
is very helpful.

Have fun,

Uli.


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Re: Free BSD

[Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P.]

T Glaser wrote:

This website leads me to believe that this is an OS software package? I
don't know for sure though. What did I stumble across here? What are you
offering for free? Not real clear here on the website. If this is an OS do
you have any screen shots of what it looks like or is it command line?
Tim

 

OS being open source?  Yes.
Package?  Nope. An "OS OS"...
recently, FreeBSD celebrated
it's tenth anniversary.
I'm curious, on the site, what's
not real clear?  Perhaps you were
expecting a hard sell?  This is a community
effort, and the site's not designed to
show off the product like some sites do,
IMHO.  It's designed to help you use the
Operating System...and to give information
for people who want to investigate it.
Are you familiar with Linux?  FreeBSD is
comparable, older, probably more stable, and
really better, in some folks opinions.  Matt Fuller's
rant at:
http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/bsd4linux1.php

has recently been "slashdotted" and, well, we'll
have to see what comes up as a result.  Please
note that I don't think anyone in FBSD land is
"crusading" or starting a "jihad" against Linux ...
many of us use or have used one of the many
Linux distros available as well
And, HTH: take a look at www.bsdforums.org.
There's a sticky thread in "FreeBSD General"
called "Post your screenshots of the BSD's..."
Should give you a better idea.
Kevin Kinsey
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Re: Free BSD

[Vulpes Velox]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:54:44 -0800
"T Glaser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This website leads me to believe that this is an OS software
> package? I don't know for sure though. What did I stumble across
> here? What are you offering for free? Not real clear here on the
> website. If this is an OS do you have any screen shots of what it
> looks like or is it command line?

Yes, it is a operating system. Yes it is 100% free. It relies on X for
graphics, with the default X server being XFree86. As to what it looks
like... it can be run using only cli or X can be used along with many
different windows managers. http://www.freebsd.org/ports/x11-wm.html
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RE: Free BSD

[Mike]

>From the site:

FreeBSD is an advanced operating system for x86 compatible, AMD64, DEC
Alpha, IA-64, PC-98 and UltraSPARCR architectures. It is derived from
BSD, the version of UNIXR developed at the University of California,
Berkeley. It is developed and maintained by a large team of individuals.
Additional platforms are in various stages of development

Mike

> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Free BSD
> 
> This website leads me to believe that this is an OS software package?
I
> don't know for sure though. What did I stumble across here? What are
you
> offering for free? Not real clear here on the website. If this is an
OS do
> you have any screen shots of what it looks like or is it command line?
> 
> Tim
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Re: Free BSD

[Danny]

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:42:12 +0100, K.T. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>I think, BSD is one with lot of unusable, needless systems.

I think you don't know what your talking about.

>You never get over Windows or Linux.
>FreeBSD is stupid system, which only nobody will use. :-(

Prove it.

...D
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Re: Free BSD

[FreeBSD questions mailing list]

On 06 jan 2005, at 17:42, K.T. wrote:
   I think, BSD is one with lot of unusable, needless systems.
   You never get over Windows or Linux.
   FreeBSD is stupid system, which only nobody will use. :-(
And your question is?
Arno
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Re: Free BSD

[Louis LeBlanc]

On 01/06/05 05:42 PM, K.T. sat at the `puter and typed:
> 
>I think, BSD is one with lot of unusable, needless systems.
>You never get over Windows or Linux.
>FreeBSD is stupid system, which only nobody will use. :-(

Now that is by far the stupidest post I've seen in a good long time.

Can you say TROLL?
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Re: Free BSD

[martin hudec]

Hello,

On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 11:55:10AM -0500 or thereabouts, Louis LeBlanc wrote:
> 
> Now that is by far the stupidest post I've seen in a good long time.
> 


   If that is so, then why do you waste your time by responding to it?
   Such posts are better left ignored. :)


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Re: Free BSD

[Tabor Kelly]

K.T. wrote:
I think, BSD is one with lot of unusable, needless systems.
You never get over Windows or Linux.
FreeBSD is stupid system, which only nobody will use. :-(
It's like Dave Horsfall wrote:
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Re: Free BSD

[Duane Winner]

K.T. wrote:
  I think, BSD is one with lot of unusable, needless systems.
  You never get over Windows or Linux.
  FreeBSD is stupid system, which only nobody will use. :-(
 

Hey Butthead, heh,heh, I heard that they, uh, like put plutonium in 
bowling balls.

No way, Beavis, that's golf balls you're thinking of. They put people's 
heads in bowling balls, dumbass.

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Re: Free BSD

[K.T.]

No, i can´t say TROLL
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Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:55 PM
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On 01/06/05 05:42 PM, K.T. sat at the `puter and typed:
   I think, BSD is one with lot of unusable, needless systems.
   You never get over Windows or Linux.
   FreeBSD is stupid system, which only nobody will use. :-(
Now that is by far the stupidest post I've seen in a good long time.
Can you say TROLL? 
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Re: Free BSD

[Tom Vilot]

Duane Winner wrote:
No way, Beavis, that's golf balls you're thinking of. They put 
people's heads in bowling balls, dumbass. 

Beavis! Your balls are filthy. Too the ball washer  *now* .
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Re: Free BSD

[Joshua Lokken]

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:27:29 -0700, Tom Vilot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Duane Winner wrote:
> 
> > No way, Beavis, that's golf balls you're thinking of. They put
> > people's heads in bowling balls, dumbass.
> 
> 
> Beavis! Your balls are filthy. Too the ball washer  *now* .

But you just keep on responding :(


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Re: Free BSD

[Tom Vilot]

Joshua Lokken wrote:
But you just keep on responding :(
Ah, but I was not responding to the troll. :c)
I was responding to Duane. 'tis one of my favorite B&B lines ..
That and ... "Liar! Liar! Pants on whoa..."
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Re: Free BSD

[Shantanoo]

+++ K.T. [freebsd] [06-01-05 17:42 +0100]:
| 
|I think, BSD is one with lot of unusable, needless systems.
|You never get over Windows or Linux.
|FreeBSD is stupid system, which only nobody will use. :-(
| 
| --

*clap* *clap*
Now sit in the corner and observe the posts on the list.

period.

Shantanoo
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Re: FREE BSD

[Matthew Seaman]

On Wed, Sep 29, 2004 at 12:56:44PM +0500, Jahangir Khan wrote:
 
> NAME OF MY COUNTRY- PAKISTA N- "PK" IS NOT INCLUDED IN YOUR LIST. PLEASE DO
> TO ENABLE ME TO ORDER.

To order what?  FreeBSD doesn't actually sell anything.  On the other
hand, it makes a great deal of stuff available for anyone to download
for free.  There's no limitation on downloading the system from
anywhere, other than certain national restrictions on strong
cryptography.  Even so, unless your own locale forbids import of
strong crypto, you can always download from, say, Canada or Germany
perfectly legally.

If you're after a set of the FreeBSD installation disks on CD Rom or
DVD, those can be ordered from various companies around the world,
some of which are listed here:

   http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/misc.html

Those companies are not part of FreeBSD.org though: if you're having
problems ordering from one of them, you should contact the customer
support for the company directly.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: free bsd !!!

[Jason Stewart]

On 08/12/03 19:05 -0800, Marco wrote:
> Dear 
> 
> I would like to down load the free bsd,I all ready tryd on the url :free bsd
> org but I am unable to down load it, since the down load source is FTP   and
> I don't know how to down load an FTP file !! So please could you suggest me
> how /where can I down load the free bsd in a simple manner 

Have you considered purchasing the Cd's from FreeBSD Mall? It would
solve your problems of not knowing how to download FreeBSD.

Jason
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Re: free bsd !!!

[Jerry McAllister]

> 
> Dear 
> I would like to down load the free bsd,I all ready tryd on the url :free =
> bsd
> org but I am unable to down load it, since the down load source is FTP   =
> and
> I don't know how to down load an FTP file !! So please could you suggest =
> me
> how /where can I down load the free bsd in a simple manner =0D

Most browsers will download ftp files for you if you click on them.

Otherwise, 
just run cmd on your MS-Win system and then
doftp ftp.freebsd.org
login as  anonymous   with a password of your email address
cd to the right directory (down a ways)  
  NOTE: Case is significant in these names.
 cd pub
 cd FreeBSD
 cd releases
 cd i386
 cd ISO-IMAGES
 cd 4.9
  You can do all this in one cd command
 cd pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/4.9
  but I always make typing mistakes so I do it in pieces.
set it to binary  (type binary)
retrieve the files  by typing   get .ISO   whatever the filename is
 get 4.9-i386-mini.iso
 get CHECKSUM.MD5 (Checksum on ly needed for verification)
quit out of ftp by typing  'bye'

Find some instructions for your particular machine on burning the ISO to a CD 
  NOTE: It is already an ISO so you do not have to make an ISO out
of it.  Just burn that file to CD.
Boot it and install will begin.   Follow it through and select 
installation over the net and select a convenient (close) ftp site.

Probably you had better do some manual reading before actually trying
this stuff out though.

jerry

> Regards=0D
> Mark =0D
> Europe
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RE: free bsd !!!

[sundeep.puliccott]

If u want to access FreeBSD from one of the ftp mirror sites
Ftp is the best and the fastest. However u could still do it
With http. The url needs to be modified
ftp://anonymous:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:@ftp.freebsd.org
However the downloads tend to break as the files are huge.
Maybe u would have a better luck than me.

Note : in the email id do not forget to escape the '@' with
   the backslash

Note : Traversing thru symbolic links would fail.

Suggestion : use http to check what u want but download using
Freebsd.

-sundeep

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Dear



I would like to down load the free bsd,I all ready tryd on the url :free
bsd
org but I am unable to down load it, since the down load source is FTP
and
I don't know how to down load an FTP file !! So please could you suggest
me how /where can I down load the free bsd in a simple manner







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Mark

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R: Free BSD

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Hello,

I would like to know more about FreeBSD, I m very much interested in it. But 
from what I infer it does'nt seem to be used at home. I would like to use it 
at home for connecting to the net, watching movies, playing songs, doing 
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Please tell me if I can do so using BSD.

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Re: Free BSD

[Andreas Kohn]

On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 14:16, Prashant Boricha wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I would like to know more about FreeBSD, I m very much interested in it. But 
> from what I infer it does'nt seem to be used at home. I would like to use it 
> at home for connecting to the net, watching movies, playing songs, doing 
> work in Office software.
> 
> Please tell me if I can do so using BSD.
Hi,

you can do everything you named with FreeBSD.
Internet: Many browsers like FireBird, Mozilla, Konqueror 
Watching movies: mplayer, xine
Playing songs: XMMS
Office: AbiWord, OpenOffice, KOffice, ...

These and more programs are available through the FreeBSD ports
collection, which is installed during the setup.

More information can be found in the handbook 
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html
for example sections 15 and 16.

Regards, 
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Unfortunately It wont auto start when i put disk in computer startup.
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Free BSD 8.1

[victor kovacs]

It appears that all the distfile locations are empty.

For example: KDE4

Master site: empty

Distfiles: none

Extract-only: empty


Have the distfiles for the GUI been left out of the dvd?

Same situation when 32 or 64 side of dvd is loaded.

The dvd disk reader is read only. It cannot write to disk.

Please advise

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Free BSD 8.1

[victor kovacs]

Mouse works in text mode in root and personal directories.

Does not work in KDE graphics after startx is typed in personal directory.

Graphics comes up normally.

Using a ps2 mouse.

Any suggestions?

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Free BSD font

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HI guys

I currently run a Free BSD server using plesk 8.1 - not that this has  
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But i'm putting together a corporate ID for a charity, and have been  
looking for a rounded font. So far i've tried the usual suspects  
(VAG, arial & helvetica rounded) but not found anything that really  
works.


Can you let me know what font you've used for the main Free BSD logo  
- I think it's really very nice and perfectly understated.

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web site also looked at the hand book.  Any tar format source tree for
FreeBSD would be a great help, appreciate any help in this regard.
 
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is the FreeBSD-8.0-amd.iso itself under the bsd license?
i mean the free bsd operating system, not the software
i plan to modify then redistribute it, under a new name. it will remain under 
the same license, with the same copyright docs, but the help or other docs will 
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Re: Free BSD 5.0

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On 2005-01-24 14:04, Tiffany Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a server operating systems class here at OSU-Okmulgee, and we
> are trying to install the Apache web server 2.0, but are unable to
> do so with the CD that came with our book or throught the port.
>
> cd /usr/ports/www/apache2 and make install do not work.
> It results with: error 1

Make sure your ports tree is up to date (see the Handbook for
instructions about this) and then try again.

If apache2 fails to install, show us the exact commands you used and
the exact error message you are seeing.  An easy way to do this is to
run script(1) before installing apache2 and saving the typescript of
the entire session to a file:

% orion# script /tmp/apache2.log
% Script started, output file is /tmp/apache2.log
% orion# cd /usr/ports/www/apache2
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I'm new to Free BSD, but getting to like it. I have a project in mind,
using a test setup to start but hopefully resulting in something I can
use in a production environment.

Currently my internal network has a couple of W2k servers which are
getting long in the tooth like me, and keep falling over. In addition,
the way my network in total is setup is rather wasteful of external IP
addresses and has firewalls on all machines in addition to the main
firewall/gateway to my internal network. 

This leads me to consider a router/gateway/firewall with DHCP and DNS
connected to my ADSL link and routing via NAT and port forwarding etc to
my internal network and DMZ and acting as a router/ firewall for the
external IPs. 

This leads me to my first question, what modem should I use, is there a
USB or PCI modem that works well with Free BSD? 

Thinking about the Firwall / Routing issue leads to more questions:

What would the best way of doing this be, bearing in mind that it would
need to be remotely administered, preferably by a web page?

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Free BSD documentation required

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List,

I am new to FreeBSD & finding is little difficult with administrative
commands. I have worked on RedHat & Suse.  Service startup, boot scripts,
pstree command everything seems to be different in FreeBsd  compare to
RedHat or Suse.

Can any give me good ref URL other that FreeBSD.org to refer BSD documents.
Basic admin guide, security guide, tools, commands & tips & tricks, HOWTO is
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The most helpful site for me when i wa new to freebsd was
http://www.defcon1.org/  While this site is not the most current out
there, it has tutorials and what not for real world scenerios, ones
the author actually used himself.
However, aside from the FreeBSD Handbook, websites are not all that
organized, and for this reason i would suggest picking up a book such
as Absolute FreeBSD or FreeBSD Unleashed.  They are rather helpful for
the new to intermediate user.  They are also helpful for experienced
Linux users because you have the ability to scan through a particular
section looking for the command, application, etc to do something you
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Re: Download Free BSD

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Sajeev.A. Anchuthengu wrote:

Sir,
I like to try with FreeBSD, the OS. But how can I
download it from the net. Could you answer me?


http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html

Section 2.2 should answer all your questions.

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Hey FreeBSD,

I saw that you had a list of web hosting providers on your website and
wondered if you would consider adding WebHosting.net to your list.
http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/isp.html

We have been around since 1998 and focus on more advanced hosting needs
like cloud hosting, exchange hosting, and dedicated servers. We have
recently launched a new version of our site and are also doing a bit of a
push to have more people try our service.

If you would consider adding us to your list we would be incredibly
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Re: Installing free bsd

[Jerry McAllister]

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 02:36:04PM -0600, Daniel Lewis wrote:

> Im new to FreeBSD and did a FTP of 8.2 and unzipped to a cd rom. It
> was an ISO Version. I then FTP the CDROM BOOT file and un zipped it.
> Unfortunately It wont auto start when i put disk in computer startup.
> Need support.. Is the windows format on disk causing problems?

Well, the .iso files you get from the FreeBSD distribution are ISO
image files that need to be burned directly to a disk.  There is no
other processing or formatting that may be done.   

I do not know what you mean by 'unzipped to a cd rom'.  I have never
done anything that sounded like that.

You should just download the .iso file and burn in to a fresh cd 
and fixate it.  Then boot it.

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Re: Installing free bsd

[Pierre-Luc Drouin]

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Jerry McAllister  wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 02:36:04PM -0600, Daniel Lewis wrote:
>
>> Im new to FreeBSD and did a FTP of 8.2 and unzipped to a cd rom. It
>> was an ISO Version. I then FTP the CDROM BOOT file and un zipped it.
>> Unfortunately It wont auto start when i put disk in computer startup.
>> Need support.. Is the windows format on disk causing problems?
>
> Well, the .iso files you get from the FreeBSD distribution are ISO
> image files that need to be burned directly to a disk.  There is no
> other processing or formatting that may be done.
>
> I do not know what you mean by 'unzipped to a cd rom'.  I have never
> done anything that sounded like that.
>
> You should just download the .iso file and burn in to a fresh cd
> and fixate it.  Then boot it.
>
> jerry

Yeah, there is nothing to "unzip". You need to simply burn the ISO
image on a CD/DVD. Once it is burned you should look at the content of
the CD/DVD and you should see the files that are part of the ISO
image...
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Re: Installing free bsd

[Dermidio A.P.]

Pierre-Luc Drouin wrote:

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Jerry McAllister  wrote:
   

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 02:36:04PM -0600, Daniel Lewis wrote:
 

Im new to FreeBSD and did a FTP of 8.2 and unzipped to a cd rom. It
was an ISO Version. I then FTP the CDROM BOOT file and un zipped it.
Unfortunately It wont auto start when i put disk in computer startup.
Need support.. Is the windows format on disk causing problems?
   

Well, the .iso files you get from the FreeBSD distribution are ISO
image files that need to be burned directly to a disk.  There is no
other processing or formatting that may be done.

I do not know what you mean by 'unzipped to a cd rom'.  I have never
done anything that sounded like that.

You should just download the .iso file and burn in to a fresh cd
and fixate it.  Then boot it.

jerry
 

Yeah, there is nothing to "unzip". You need to simply burn the ISO
image on a CD/DVD. Once it is burned you should look at the content of
the CD/DVD and you should see the files that are part of the ISO
image...

   

Hello, Daniel Lewis:

If you come from Windows world, probably by "unzipping to a cd rom" you 
mean
double-clicking the .iso file and burning to a cd the displayed content 
of the iso file.

Please, don't do that.

Just look for " burn image" in your cd burning program, navigate to your 
just

downloaded .iso file and select it for burning.

If you want to install 8.2 version, you only need to download and burn 
the file:


FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso

and later, maybe you will need to burn (in the same way, better in 
different disks) the files:


FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-disc2.iso and FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-disc3.iso

Then (Backup all your data) insert the first cd (-disc1.iso), restart 
your PC and

select booting from the cd drive.

But first! Please read more detailed instructions, and *Warnings* in:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/install-pre.html

Good luck,
dermidio.
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Re: Installing free bsd

[Jerry McAllister]

First of all, always include the list in a response to something
from the list.   Other people will be reading and may well know
more than me or any other person who responds.   eg, don't just 
send the follow-on question back to the one responding.  Send it
to the list.


On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 04:26:06PM -0600, Daniel Lewis wrote:

> do direct ftp to disk? And what do you mean by fixate?

No.  You ftp the file down to the local machine and then use a CD burning 
utility to burn file to the CD.   On FreeBSD there is one called 'burncd'.
I am not familiar with the ones on a MS system, but there are several
available.   Maybe someone else will suggest one or there is probably
some information in the handbook.

Fixate is something that finishes writing a terminal record on
the CD image or something like that.  I don't really know in
detail.   I think some burner utilities do it automatically with
no choice.   The burncd utility needs to have you specify it.

jerry


> 
> On 12/12/11, Jerry McAllister  wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 02:36:04PM -0600, Daniel Lewis wrote:
> >
> >> Im new to FreeBSD and did a FTP of 8.2 and unzipped to a cd rom. It
> >> was an ISO Version. I then FTP the CDROM BOOT file and un zipped it.
> >> Unfortunately It wont auto start when i put disk in computer startup.
> >> Need support.. Is the windows format on disk causing problems?
> >
> > Well, the .iso files you get from the FreeBSD distribution are ISO
> > image files that need to be burned directly to a disk.  There is no
> > other processing or formatting that may be done.
> >
> > I do not know what you mean by 'unzipped to a cd rom'.  I have never
> > done anything that sounded like that.
> >
> > You should just download the .iso file and burn in to a fresh cd
> > and fixate it.  Then boot it.
> >
> > jerry
> >
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Re: Installing free bsd

[Frank Shute]

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 06:05:29PM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote:
>
> First of all, always include the list in a response to something
> from the list.   Other people will be reading and may well know
> more than me or any other person who responds.   eg, don't just 
> send the follow-on question back to the one responding.  Send it
> to the list.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 04:26:06PM -0600, Daniel Lewis wrote:
> 
> > do direct ftp to disk? And what do you mean by fixate?
> 
> No.  You ftp the file down to the local machine and then use a CD burning 
> utility to burn file to the CD.   On FreeBSD there is one called 'burncd'.
> I am not familiar with the ones on a MS system, but there are several
> available.   Maybe someone else will suggest one or there is probably
> some information in the handbook.
> 
> Fixate is something that finishes writing a terminal record on
> the CD image or something like that.  I don't really know in
> detail.   I think some burner utilities do it automatically with
> no choice.   The burncd utility needs to have you specify it.
> 
> jerry
> 
> 
> > 
> > On 12/12/11, Jerry McAllister  wrote:
> > > On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 02:36:04PM -0600, Daniel Lewis wrote:
> > >
> > >> Im new to FreeBSD and did a FTP of 8.2 and unzipped to a cd rom. It
> > >> was an ISO Version. I then FTP the CDROM BOOT file and un zipped it.
> > >> Unfortunately It wont auto start when i put disk in computer startup.
> > >> Need support.. Is the windows format on disk causing problems?
> > >
> > > Well, the .iso files you get from the FreeBSD distribution are ISO
> > > image files that need to be burned directly to a disk.  There is no
> > > other processing or formatting that may be done.
> > >
> > > I do not know what you mean by 'unzipped to a cd rom'.  I have never
> > > done anything that sounded like that.
> > >
> > > You should just download the .iso file and burn in to a fresh cd
> > > and fixate it.  Then boot it.
> > >
> > > jerry
> > >

I've used Nero in the past on a Windows system to burn an ISO. You can
download it (probably timebombed) from http://www.tucows.com/ I think.

Instructions on burning and fixating are here:

http://iso.snoekonline.com/iso.htm


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Re: Installing free bsd

[Da Rock]

On 12/13/11 09:58, Frank Shute wrote:

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 06:05:29PM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote:

First of all, always include the list in a response to something
from the list.   Other people will be reading and may well know
more than me or any other person who responds.   eg, don't just
send the follow-on question back to the one responding.  Send it
to the list.


On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 04:26:06PM -0600, Daniel Lewis wrote:


do direct ftp to disk? And what do you mean by fixate?

No.  You ftp the file down to the local machine and then use a CD burning
utility to burn file to the CD.   On FreeBSD there is one called 'burncd'.
I am not familiar with the ones on a MS system, but there are several
available.   Maybe someone else will suggest one or there is probably
some information in the handbook.

Fixate is something that finishes writing a terminal record on
the CD image or something like that.  I don't really know in
detail.   I think some burner utilities do it automatically with
no choice.   The burncd utility needs to have you specify it.

jerry



On 12/12/11, Jerry McAllister  wrote:

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 02:36:04PM -0600, Daniel Lewis wrote:


Im new to FreeBSD and did a FTP of 8.2 and unzipped to a cd rom. It
was an ISO Version. I then FTP the CDROM BOOT file and un zipped it.
Unfortunately It wont auto start when i put disk in computer startup.
Need support.. Is the windows format on disk causing problems?

Well, the .iso files you get from the FreeBSD distribution are ISO
image files that need to be burned directly to a disk.  There is no
other processing or formatting that may be done.

I do not know what you mean by 'unzipped to a cd rom'.  I have never
done anything that sounded like that.

You should just download the .iso file and burn in to a fresh cd
and fixate it.  Then boot it.

jerry


I've used Nero in the past on a Windows system to burn an ISO. You can
download it (probably timebombed) from http://www.tucows.com/ I think.

Instructions on burning and fixating are here:

http://iso.snoekonline.com/iso.htm


Regards,

Depending on your windows (xp and later) it should be built-in (only a 
very basic one though). Double click and it should give an option to 
burn the disk. Once its completed, voila! You have the ultimate weapon 
in the computing world! Sorry... got carried away, but nearly accurate 
though :) - you have a bootable disk to install FreeBSD 8.2. Mostly 
you'll only need disk 1. The others have pkg files for certain 
applications, but you can download those as you need them automatically 
using pkg_add -r and connected to the internet. That way you get the 
updated versions as well. Better yet: try the ports instead. For more 
info on either check out the handbook http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/.


Good luck!
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Re: Installing free bsd

[Noel]

On 12/12/2011 5:05 PM, Jerry McAllister wrote:
 On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 04:26:06PM -0600, Daniel Lewis wrote:
>> do direct ftp to disk? And what do you mean by fixate?
> No.  You ftp the file down to the local machine and then use a CD burning 
> utility to burn file to the CD.


Daniel,

An ISO file is basically a "snapshot" of a CD (or DVD or BlueRay)
disc.  You need special software to burn the image to a CD.   Do NOT
open the ISO file and copy the contents to a CD; that won't work.

Windows 7 includes the ability to burn an iso; right-click the .iso
file and pick "Burn disc image".

For WinXP/Vista (or if you want a little more control in Win7), you
need an iso burner program.  Here's a free one I've used this in the
past:
http://www.ntfs.com/iso_burner_free.htm




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Re: Installing free bsd

[Edwin L. Culp W.]

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Noel  wrote:
> On 12/12/2011 5:05 PM, Jerry McAllister wrote:
>  On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 04:26:06PM -0600, Daniel Lewis wrote:
>>> do direct ftp to disk? And what do you mean by fixate?
>> No.  You ftp the file down to the local machine and then use a CD burning
>> utility to burn file to the CD.
>
>
> Daniel,
>
> An ISO file is basically a "snapshot" of a CD (or DVD or BlueRay)
> disc.  You need special software to burn the image to a CD.   Do NOT
> open the ISO file and copy the contents to a CD; that won't work.
>
> Windows 7 includes the ability to burn an iso; right-click the .iso
> file and pick "Burn disc image".
>
> For WinXP/Vista (or if you want a little more control in Win7), you
> need an iso burner program.  Here's a free one I've used this in the
> past:
> http://www.ntfs.com/iso_burner_free.htm
>
>
>
>
>  -- Noel Jones
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I usually use k3b, think it is great for all cd -dvd burning and I
have also followed the Handbook and used sysutils/cdrtools-devel and
worked perfectly and didn't need kde.

ed
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Re: Installing free bsd

[Jamie Paul Griffin]

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 11:58:33PM +, Frank Shute wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 06:05:29PM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote:
> >
> > First of all, always include the list in a response to something
> > from the list.   Other people will be reading and may well know
> > more than me or any other person who responds.   eg, don't just 
> > send the follow-on question back to the one responding.  Send it
> > to the list.
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 04:26:06PM -0600, Daniel Lewis wrote:
> > 
> > > do direct ftp to disk? And what do you mean by fixate?
> > 
> > No.  You ftp the file down to the local machine and then use a CD burning 
> > utility to burn file to the CD.   On FreeBSD there is one called 'burncd'.
> > I am not familiar with the ones on a MS system, but there are several
> > available.   Maybe someone else will suggest one or there is probably
> > some information in the handbook.
> > 
> > Fixate is something that finishes writing a terminal record on
> > the CD image or something like that.  I don't really know in
> > detail.   I think some burner utilities do it automatically with
> > no choice.   The burncd utility needs to have you specify it.
> > 
> > jerry
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > On 12/12/11, Jerry McAllister  wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 02:36:04PM -0600, Daniel Lewis wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Im new to FreeBSD and did a FTP of 8.2 and unzipped to a cd rom. It
> > > >> was an ISO Version. I then FTP the CDROM BOOT file and un zipped it.
> > > >> Unfortunately It wont auto start when i put disk in computer startup.
> > > >> Need support.. Is the windows format on disk causing problems?
> > > >
> > > > Well, the .iso files you get from the FreeBSD distribution are ISO
> > > > image files that need to be burned directly to a disk.  There is no
> > > > other processing or formatting that may be done.
> > > >
> > > > I do not know what you mean by 'unzipped to a cd rom'.  I have never
> > > > done anything that sounded like that.
> > > >
> > > > You should just download the .iso file and burn in to a fresh cd
> > > > and fixate it.  Then boot it.
> > > >
> > > > jerry
> > > >
> 
> I've used Nero in the past on a Windows system to burn an ISO. You can
> download it (probably timebombed) from http://www.tucows.com/ I think.
> 
> Instructions on burning and fixating are here:
> 
> http://iso.snoekonline.com/iso.htm
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -- 
> 
>  Frank
> 
>  Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html
> 
> 

I recall having some trouble finding a decent ISO burner for Windows that 
didn't require paying but came across ActiveISO Burner. It's pretty decent, 
it's incredibly simple to use and has a clearly labeled option to burn ISO 
images. This was Windows 7 although it will be fine to use on most earlier 
versions. As others have mentioned you only need FreeBSD Disc1. I personally 
just use the "User" installation option which only installs binaries and man 
pages and docs. I don't install the sources and ports collection at that stage, 
I find it's best to add that later. Then I'd recommend updating your system 
using 'freebsd-update', at that point you can add the ports collection with 
'portsnap' and install loads of cool stuff, like X and a window manager. 
Personally I use xfce4. I used to use fvwm2 but I just like to have things 
operational quickly without fiddling with config files. 

Jamie
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Re: Installing free bsd

[Dave]

> Im new to FreeBSD and did a FTP of 8.2 and unzipped to a cd rom. It
> was an ISO Version. I then FTP the CDROM BOOT file and un zipped it.
> Unfortunately It wont auto start when i put disk in computer startup.
> Need support.. Is the windows format on disk causing problems?
> 
> 

Daniel..

The "Windows format" has nothing to do with the problem.

You need to take the .ISO image files, and burn a CD from it, not extract 
or copy it to a CD..

For Windows, I use this:-
http://www.ntfs.com/iso-burning.htm   It works very well, and the price 
is right (free.)  Very easy to use.

If you already have "Nero Buring Rom" installed, that will also take a 
.ISO file, and use it to burn a CD.  Slightly more complex to use, but 
does a good job.  (You need to select "Burn an image to disk" option, 
then go look for the .ISO file to use, it's not the default!)

There are many similar tools for the job, but just unzipping the file to 
a cd will not make a bootable disk.

Contrary to what some have said, Windows (certainly XP and earlier) do 
not recognise the .ISO format natively, so no ammount of clicking or 
double clicking on it will help.

You do of course, also have to configure your PC's bios to boot from a 
CD, or know the hotkey to interupt it's normal boot sequence, and tell it 
to boot from an alternative drive.

Hope this helps.

Regards.

Dave B.



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Re: Installing free bsd

[Anonymous Remailer (austria)]

> I recall having some trouble finding a decent ISO burner for Windows that
>  didn't require paying but came across ActiveISO Burner.

If Freeburner is still available it works pretty well on
Winbloze. Alternatively have a friend burn it for you or boot a Linux live
CD like Knoppix or Slax and use K3B since it's very user friendly. 

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Re: Installing free bsd

[Jerry]

On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:30:47 -
Dave articulated:

> > Im new to FreeBSD and did a FTP of 8.2 and unzipped to a cd rom. It
> > was an ISO Version. I then FTP the CDROM BOOT file and un zipped it.
> > Unfortunately It wont auto start when i put disk in computer
> > startup. Need support.. Is the windows format on disk causing
> > problems?
> > 
> > 
> 
> Daniel..
> 
> The "Windows format" has nothing to do with the problem.
> 
> You need to take the .ISO image files, and burn a CD from it, not
> extract or copy it to a CD..
> 
> For Windows, I use this:-
> http://www.ntfs.com/iso-burning.htm   It works very well, and the
> price is right (free.)  Very easy to use.
> 
> If you already have "Nero Buring Rom" installed, that will also take
> a .ISO file, and use it to burn a CD.  Slightly more complex to use,
> but does a good job.  (You need to select "Burn an image to disk"
> option, then go look for the .ISO file to use, it's not the default!)
> 
> There are many similar tools for the job, but just unzipping the file
> to a cd will not make a bootable disk.
> 
> Contrary to what some have said, Windows (certainly XP and earlier)
> do not recognise the .ISO format natively, so no ammount of clicking
> or double clicking on it will help.
> 
> You do of course, also have to configure your PC's bios to boot from
> a CD, or know the hotkey to interupt it's normal boot sequence, and
> tell it to boot from an alternative drive.

I don't remember if the OP listed the version of Windows that they were
using. If it is Windows 7, then all they need do to burn an ISO
image in Windows 7 is simply right-click on an ISO image and choose
"Burn disc image". A menu will pop up giving the user the option of
choosing where to burn the image and if they want to verify the burn.
It couldn't get any simpler.

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CRUX and FREE BSD

[Ramu Chakravadhanula]

hi,

I have to make CRUX and FREE BSD dual boot. Is that possible? how can i do
that?? I have CRUX installed before. now i want to use Free BSD 7.3. please
help me, thank you.

Best regards,
ramu
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Re: Free BSD 8.1

[Matthew Seaman]

On 26/09/2010 02:50:55, victor kovacs wrote:
> 
> It appears that all the distfile locations are empty.
> 
> For example: KDE4
> 
> Master site: empty
> 
> Distfiles: none
> 
> Extract-only: empty
> 

That's deliberate.  x11/kde4 is a metaport -- that is, it installs
nothing itself, but exists only to hold dependencies on other KDE4
components.  Installing x11/kde4 will trigger a cascading installation
of the 20-odd other ports (as modified by your choice of options) that
go to create a whole KDE system.

> Have the distfiles for the GUI been left out of the dvd?
> 
> Same situation when 32 or 64 side of dvd is loaded.
> 
> The dvd disk reader is read only. It cannot write to disk.

No -- the tarball of the ports in the distribution media is a faithful
copy of the state of the ports tree at the time the media were created.

Distfiles aren't included in FreeBSD DVD images -- there's only about
4.5GB to play with, and most of that is taken up by FreeBSD itself, and
a selection of the most important software pre-compiled in pkg format.

All of the distfiles or all of the pkgs for all of the ports together
are substantially larger than any single piece of distribution medium
(disk, USB key, etc.) readily available at the moment.  Even just
selecting the most commonly installed applications easily overflows the
capacity of the DVD (and consider what invidious choices that selection
process involves).

Be aware that installing the ports tree from the DVD images is not the
ideal way to do it.  If you have the connectivity on your newly
installed system, it is better to use either csup(1) or portsnap(1) to
grab an up-to-date copy of the ports directly from the net.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: Free BSD 8.1

[Michel Talon]

Matthew Seaman said

> Be aware that installing the ports tree from the DVD images is not the
> ideal way to do it.  If you have the connectivity on your newly
> installed system, it is better to use either csup(1) or portsnap(1) to
> grab an up-to-date copy of the ports directly from the net.

I disagree with that. You are supposing that newer is better, which is
far from proven (in fact blatantly false in many cases). Another option
is to install the ports tree from the  DVD,and install corresponding
precompiled packages from the DVD or otherwise the web, and
*not* updating the ports tree. There is a lot to be said for this
option, and many users will be happier doing that, at least people who
want to use their machine and not spend their time upgrading, compiling
and fighting bugs.

-- 

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Re: Free BSD 8.1

[Matthew Seaman]

On 26/09/2010 13:30:19, Michel Talon wrote:
> Matthew Seaman said
> 
>> Be aware that installing the ports tree from the DVD images is not the
>> ideal way to do it.  If you have the connectivity on your newly
>> installed system, it is better to use either csup(1) or portsnap(1) to
>> grab an up-to-date copy of the ports directly from the net.
> 
> I disagree with that. You are supposing that newer is better, which is
> far from proven (in fact blatantly false in many cases). Another option
> is to install the ports tree from the  DVD,and install corresponding
> precompiled packages from the DVD or otherwise the web, and
> *not* updating the ports tree. There is a lot to be said for this
> option, and many users will be happier doing that, at least people who
> want to use their machine and not spend their time upgrading, compiling
> and fighting bugs.
> 

No.  I made no comment on the relative advantages and disadvantages of
various updating strategies.  Please do not put words into my mouth.
Given that the OP asked about the ports I think it fairly safe to assume
that his intention was to use them.

And, yes, being up-to-date with the ports tree generally *does* give you
better results than not.  Ports are a moving target, dependent entirely
on upstream changes.  Expecting that a snapshot taken months or weeks
ago will work just as well as one updated in the last hour is plain
daft.  Even without any functional changes to the ported software,
projects still move to different hosting, URLs change as archive sites
are internally reorganised, ftp servers come and go, dist files get
re-rolled with new checksums.

Aside from those neutral changes, ported software generally does improve
over time.  Updates that fix problems are way more common that updates
that introduce them.  Despite a few high-profile occasions when things
have gone horribly wrong -- not just with the ports, but with any OSS
project --- this is overwhelmingly the case.  The quality control in the
majority of large OSS projects is very good nowadays -- probably better
than their closed source equivalents.  End users can quite reasonably
expect not to have to spend their time "fighting bugs."
Newer generally /is/ better.

Besides that, the assumption you are making, that change is undesirable,
is just plain wrong.  People will always want new stuff.  It may not be
wise for them to get it, but that's another story.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: Free BSD 8.1

[perryh]

Matthew Seaman  wrote:
> On 26/09/2010 13:30:19, Michel Talon wrote:
> > Matthew Seaman said
> >> Be aware that installing the ports tree from the DVD images
> >> is not the ideal way to do it ... it is better to ... grab
> >> an up-to-date copy of the ports directly from the net.
> > 
> > I disagree with that ...  Another option is to install
> > the ports tree from the  DVD,and install corresponding
> > precompiled packages ... and *not* updating the ports
> > tree ...

I suspect the best results can be had from an approach in between
these; details below.

> ... being up-to-date with the ports tree generally *does*
> give you better results than not.

> Ports are a moving target, dependent entirely on upstream changes.

This last is an oversimplification.  Not all ports even _have_ an
upstream, and those that do (granted, the great majority) depend
not only on upstream changes but also on the maintainer's and
committers' ability to keep up with those changes.

> Expecting that a snapshot taken months or weeks ago will work
> just as well as one updated in the last hour is plain daft ...
> ported software generally does improve over time.  Updates that
> fix problems are way more common that updates that introduce them
> ...

Couldn't this as well be said of FreeBSD itself?  If it were
universally accepted, there would be no need for the stable
or security branches and the considerable effort that goes
into maintaining them:  everyone would just run -CURRENT.

One _huge_ advantage of starting with a release _and its
corresponding set of ports & packages_ is that everything
is self-consistent.  This tends not to be true of snapshots
taken between releases, if only because no one has time to
do that much release engineering for every update of every
port.

I tried to follow the OP's approach a few years ago, and got
burned rather badly.  By the time I had the system working
well enough to start on the project I had intended to work on,
the time budgeted for the setup _and_ the work had been almost
entirely consumed in setup!  I get the impression that M. Talon
may have had similar experiences.

I've recently started on a new system, and am planning to install
8.1-RELEASE, including the corresponding ports tree; then install
what ports I can from packages and also fetch the corresponding
distfiles; and finally build -- from release-corresponding ports --
any that aren't available as packages or where I want non-default
OPTION settings.  That approach should avoid most nasty surprises
while getting things set up and working.  _After_ everything is
installed and configured properly will be plenty soon enough to
consider whether any ports need to be updated -- and the already-
installed-and-working package collection will provide a fallback
in case of trouble trying to build any updated versions.
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Re: Free BSD 8.1

[Mike Clarke]

On Monday 27 September 2010, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:

> I've recently started on a new system, and am planning to install
> 8.1-RELEASE, including the corresponding ports tree; then install
> what ports I can from packages and also fetch the corresponding
> distfiles; and finally build -- from release-corresponding ports --
> any that aren't available as packages or where I want non-default
> OPTION settings.  That approach should avoid most nasty surprises
> while getting things set up and working.  _After_ everything is
> installed and configured properly will be plenty soon enough to
> consider whether any ports need to be updated -- and the already-
> installed-and-working package collection will provide a fallback
> in case of trouble trying to build any updated versions.

The problem is if/when you need to update a port as a result of a 
security advisory. If your ports tree is very much out of date then 
it's likely that updating that one port will require a number of 
dependencies to be updated as well, sometimes all the ports depending 
on one or more of the updated dependencies need to be updated as well 
and the resultant bag of worms can take quite a lot of sorting out. 
The "little and often" approach of keeping the ports tree up to date 
could be less traumatic.

-- 
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Re: Free BSD 8.1

[Chip Camden]

Quoth Mike Clarke on Monday, 27 September 2010:
> On Monday 27 September 2010, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> 
> > I've recently started on a new system, and am planning to install
> > 8.1-RELEASE, including the corresponding ports tree; then install
> > what ports I can from packages and also fetch the corresponding
> > distfiles; and finally build -- from release-corresponding ports --
> > any that aren't available as packages or where I want non-default
> > OPTION settings.  That approach should avoid most nasty surprises
> > while getting things set up and working.  _After_ everything is
> > installed and configured properly will be plenty soon enough to
> > consider whether any ports need to be updated -- and the already-
> > installed-and-working package collection will provide a fallback
> > in case of trouble trying to build any updated versions.
> 
> The problem is if/when you need to update a port as a result of a 
> security advisory. If your ports tree is very much out of date then 
> it's likely that updating that one port will require a number of 
> dependencies to be updated as well, sometimes all the ports depending 
> on one or more of the updated dependencies need to be updated as well 
> and the resultant bag of worms can take quite a lot of sorting out. 
> The "little and often" approach of keeping the ports tree up to date 
> could be less traumatic.
> 
> -- 
> Mike Clarke

That's the maxim under which I operate.  Furthermore, if something does
break, it's a lot easier to narrow down what broke it if you updated one
or two ports instead of twenty or thirty.

I use the same principle in following STABLE -- frequently update/build so if
anything goes wrong, the number of culpable commits is small.

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Re: Free BSD 8.1

[perryh]

Mike Clarke  wrote:
> On Monday 27 September 2010, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> > I've recently started on a new system, and am planning to
> > install 8.1-RELEASE, including the corresponding ports tree;
> > then install what ports I can from packages and also fetch the
> > corresponding distfiles; and finally build -- from release-
> > corresponding ports -- any that aren't available as packages or
> > where I want non-default OPTION settings.  That approach should
> > avoid most nasty surprises while getting things set up and
> > working.  _After_ everything is installed and configured
> > properly will be plenty soon enough to consider whether any
> > ports need to be updated -- and the already-installed-and-
> > working package collection will provide a fallback in case
> > of trouble trying to build any updated versions.
>
> The problem is if/when you need to update a port as a result of
> a security advisory. If your ports tree is very much out of date
> then it's likely that updating that one port will require a number
> of dependencies to be updated as well, sometimes all the ports
> depending on one or more of the updated dependencies need to be
> updated as well and the resultant bag of worms can take quite a
> lot of sorting out.  The "little and often" approach of keeping
> the ports tree up to date could be less traumatic.

and, in this context, your point is?

I'm advocating starting from a stable and self-consistent baseline,
consisting of a release _and_ its corresponding port/package
collection, and then considering whether any updates are needed.
Isn't that orthogonal to the question of whether or not to follow
ports updates, once the baseline has been established?
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Re: Free BSD 8.1

[Ryan Coleman]

On Sep 28, 2010, at 2:02 AM, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:

> Mike Clarke  wrote:
>> On Monday 27 September 2010, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
>>> I've recently started on a new system, and am planning to
>>> install 8.1-RELEASE, including the corresponding ports tree;
>>> then install what ports I can from packages and also fetch the
>>> corresponding distfiles; and finally build -- from release-
>>> corresponding ports -- any that aren't available as packages or
>>> where I want non-default OPTION settings.  That approach should
>>> avoid most nasty surprises while getting things set up and
>>> working.  _After_ everything is installed and configured
>>> properly will be plenty soon enough to consider whether any
>>> ports need to be updated -- and the already-installed-and-
>>> working package collection will provide a fallback in case
>>> of trouble trying to build any updated versions.
>> 
>> The problem is if/when you need to update a port as a result of
>> a security advisory. If your ports tree is very much out of date
>> then it's likely that updating that one port will require a number
>> of dependencies to be updated as well, sometimes all the ports
>> depending on one or more of the updated dependencies need to be
>> updated as well and the resultant bag of worms can take quite a
>> lot of sorting out.  The "little and often" approach of keeping
>> the ports tree up to date could be less traumatic.
> 
> and, in this context, your point is?
> 
> I'm advocating starting from a stable and self-consistent baseline,
> consisting of a release _and_ its corresponding port/package
> collection, and then considering whether any updates are needed.
> Isn't that orthogonal to the question of whether or not to follow
> ports updates, once the baseline has been established?

As I understand it: The OS itself is stable, but the ports are constantly in 
flux and may be issues.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

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Re: Free BSD 8.1

[Polytropon]

On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 02:24:26 -0500, Ryan Coleman  wrote:
> As I understand it: The OS itself is stable, but the ports are
> constantly in flux and may be issues.

Not exactly. It depends on which update road you follow.

Say, you use freebsd-update (the binary update), or use c(v)sup
to track -RELEASE (including the security patches), your OS is
stable. Certain points in time can be addressed by a specific
patch level, e. g. -RELEASE-p1 for the first one, -RELEASE-p2
for the second one, and so on.

If you track -STABLE by using c(v)sup (doesn't work with the
binary freebsd-update!), your OS is also stable. There is no
further "versioning" as with the patch levels; the date decides.
As you can't binary upgrade here, compiling yourself is needed.

But if you track -CURRENT (means -HEAD), it *might* be that the
OS won't even compile, or runs unstable. This is due to the fact
that *this* branch does sometimes include experimental changes
or features that are tested, and maybe removed later on. It's
obvious that you need to retrieve the sources and compile your-
self in this case, too.

Ports, on the other hand, are not related to the OS version. If
you use -RELEASE for example, you can, if it fits your needs,
stay with the default ports tree that has been "issued" the same
time the release came out. This is the state you'll find on the
installation media. You can also use the precompiled packages.

If you decide to upgrade your ports tree because you need newer
versions or specific features, it *may* be possible that a certain
point in time of -RELEASE is not sufficient, and this might force
you to change your road to follow -STABLE. This can either be the
case by installing from an updated ports tree or from Latest/
packages (instead of RELEASE one's).

Summary: -RELEASE and -STABLE are stable, -CURRENT or -HEAD do not
neccessarily have to be.





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Re: Free BSD 8.1

[Michel Talon]

Polytropon said:

> If you decide to upgrade your ports tree because you need newer
> versions or specific features, it *may* be possible that a certain
> point in time of -RELEASE is not sufficient, and this might force
> you to change your road to follow -STABLE. This can either be the
> case by installing from an updated ports tree or from Latest/
> packages (instead of RELEASE one's).

An other option is to download a specific port from (*)
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/
and compiling it independently of the ports tree. In many cases it works 
perfectly OK and avoids to upgrade the ports tree itself and the 
destabilization which ensues. Of course you can also upgrade
frequently the ports tree and run frequently portupgrade or portmaster,
if you like tinkering with your machine.


(*) in any given port you will find
"Download this directory in tarball"

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Re: Free BSD 8.1

[Chris Whitehouse]

per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:


I'm advocating starting from a stable and self-consistent baseline,
consisting of a release _and_ its corresponding port/package
collection, and then considering whether any updates are needed.


You might be interested to follow Manolis' custom DVD which is based on 
exactly that principle:


http://freebsd-custom.wikidot.com

Chris


Isn't that orthogonal to the question of whether or not to follow
ports updates, once the baseline has been established?
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Re: Free BSD 8.1

[Warren Block]

On Tue, 28 Sep 2010, Ryan Coleman wrote:


As I understand it: The OS itself is stable, but the ports are constantly in 
flux and may be issues.


During a FreeBSD release, the ports tree is "frozen" and port updates 
are delayed.  So a FreeBSD release really does come with with a somewhat 
stale and stable set of ports... which is immediately followed by a 
flurry of port updates as the ports tree is unfrozen.  Often these 
updates include major applications like xorg, with time-consuming 
upgrade procedures.


The snapshot of ports on a -release grows increasingly stale.  After a 
while, it's easier to update the ports tree before installing anything.

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Re: Free BSD 8.1

[Ian Smith]

In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 330, Issue 2, Message: 22
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 00:02:29 -0700 per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
 > Mike Clarke  wrote:
 > > On Monday 27 September 2010, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
 > > > I've recently started on a new system, and am planning to
 > > > install 8.1-RELEASE, including the corresponding ports tree;
 > > > then install what ports I can from packages and also fetch the
 > > > corresponding distfiles; and finally build -- from release-
 > > > corresponding ports -- any that aren't available as packages or
 > > > where I want non-default OPTION settings.  That approach should
 > > > avoid most nasty surprises while getting things set up and
 > > > working.  _After_ everything is installed and configured
 > > > properly will be plenty soon enough to consider whether any
 > > > ports need to be updated -- and the already-installed-and-
 > > > working package collection will provide a fallback in case
 > > > of trouble trying to build any updated versions.
 > >
 > > The problem is if/when you need to update a port as a result of
 > > a security advisory. If your ports tree is very much out of date
 > > then it's likely that updating that one port will require a number
 > > of dependencies to be updated as well, sometimes all the ports
 > > depending on one or more of the updated dependencies need to be
 > > updated as well and the resultant bag of worms can take quite a
 > > lot of sorting out.  The "little and often" approach of keeping
 > > the ports tree up to date could be less traumatic.
 > 
 > and, in this context, your point is?
 > 
 > I'm advocating starting from a stable and self-consistent baseline,
 > consisting of a release _and_ its corresponding port/package
 > collection, and then considering whether any updates are needed.
 > Isn't that orthogonal to the question of whether or not to follow
 > ports updates, once the baseline has been established?

Makes sense to me.  There's been a ports freeze and extra attention to 
consistency of dependencies leading up to a -RELEASE, so there's a much 
better chance of all your ports working together from the outset, then 
you can update them at leisure while still getting on with some work!

That there's also a self-consistent complete set of packages at that 
point seems lost on some folks having good enough bandwidth and fast 
enough systems to never need bothering with packages.

I agree with Mike about the worms :)  I have an 8.0-RELEASE system with 
many ports installed and quite a few configured to taste with a recently 
upgraded 8-STABLE world, working through a huge portversion update list, 
started by fetching over 900MB of packages so far including X and KDE by 
portupgrade -aFPP.  It's going to take a while, and I'll be surprised if 
I don't skin a few knuckles on circular dependencies along the way.

cheers, Ian
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Re: Free BSD 8.1

[Mike Clarke]

On Tuesday 28 September 2010, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:

> Mike Clarke  wrote:

[snip]

> > The problem is if/when you need to update a port as a result of
> > a security advisory. If your ports tree is very much out of date
> > then it's likely that updating that one port will require a number
> > of dependencies to be updated as well, sometimes all the ports
> > depending on one or more of the updated dependencies need to be
> > updated as well and the resultant bag of worms can take quite a
> > lot of sorting out.  The "little and often" approach of keeping
> > the ports tree up to date could be less traumatic.
>
> and, in this context, your point is?
>
> I'm advocating starting from a stable and self-consistent baseline,
> consisting of a release _and_ its corresponding port/package
> collection, and then considering whether any updates are needed.
> Isn't that orthogonal to the question of whether or not to follow
> ports updates, once the baseline has been established?
> ___

Well I'd normally happy to stay with the original release state without 
having to have the "latest & greatest" version of each application but 
I prefer to update any ports which have been flagged by portaudit as 
having security vulnerabilities and this is when the problem could 
arise. Updating a single port in isolation without updating the ports 
tree can lead to problems with dependencies so you invariably need to 
update your ports tree and update the dependencies for the port in 
question.

If, for example, you were to build a web server by installing 
8.1-RELEASE and the matching package for apache you would have 
apache-2.2.15_9 which suffers from a remote DoS bug and should be 
upgraded to 2.2.16 . 
As Warren Block has pointed out elsewhere in this thread there's 
usually a flurry of port updates when the ports tree is unfrozen just 
after a release so if you now update the ports tree and upgrade your 
ports there could be a large number of ports to upgrade, most of them 
can be upgraded quite painlessly with portmaster or portupgrade but 
you'd need to check /usr/ports/UPDATING to see if any of them needed 
special attention, fixing a single special case is usually quite 
straightforward but things sometimes get more complex when there's 
several. If on the other hand you installed the base system, updated 
your ports tree and then built what you needed from ports (or the 
latest packages) you'd get the latest versions without having to sort 
out any conflicts. If you wait a long time before a new vulnerability 
pushes you into doing your next upgrade then you'll still probably have 
quite a lot to sort out but updating small numbers of ports more 
frequently usually involves less work than an occasional mega upgrade.

Well, that's just my 2 cents worth and it does depend on how many ports 
you have. A minimal server setup with few ports will probably not need 
very frequent port upgrades but something like a desktop could easily 
have 700 or more ports and it can be quite messy to upgrade your ports 
if it's been a long time since the last upgrade.

-- 
Mike Clarke
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Re: Free BSD 8.1

[Mike Clarke]

On Tuesday 28 September 2010, Ian Smith wrote:

> I agree with Mike about the worms :)  I have an 8.0-RELEASE system
> with many ports installed and quite a few configured to taste with a
> recently upgraded 8-STABLE world, working through a huge portversion
> update list, started by fetching over 900MB of packages so far
> including X and KDE by portupgrade -aFPP.  It's going to take a
> while, and I'll be surprised if I don't skin a few knuckles on
> circular dependencies along the way.

I used to use packages in preference to ports but, being on a PAYG 
broadband account rather than unlimited, I'm more concerned about 
bandwidth than compile time. I found that upgrading ports often 
involved just a few packages which had actually been changed while the 
rest just had their version number bumped as a result of dependencies 
but still needed the entire package to be downloaded. Switching to 
building the ports instead means that I usually only need to download a 
relatively small number of distfiles with the remaining ports being 
recompiled from my existing collection of distfiles using the new 
makefiles in the updated ports tree.

-- 
Mike Clarke
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Re: Free BSD 8.1

[Polytropon]

On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 21:20:49 -0400, victor kovacs  wrote:
> 
> 
> Mouse works in text mode in root and personal directories.
> 
> Does not work in KDE graphics after startx is typed in personal directory.
> 
> Graphics comes up normally.
> 
> Using a ps2 mouse.
> 
> Any suggestions?

Check the mail archives related to using X with or without HAL
and DBUS (depends on the setting you are using). When your
mouse works in text mode, moused has correctly picked it up,
so the problem seems to be on X's side.

Check X configuration file /etc/X11/xorg.conf if you have any.

Check your HAL and DBUS stuff.
a) Want to use HAL and DBUS?
Enable them in /etc/rc.conf
b) Do not want to use HAL and DBUS?
Modify xorg.conf's AutoAddDevice setting.

You'll find more information about this in the mailing list
archives and the FreeBSD handbook.



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Re: Free BSD Licensing

[Gary Gatten]

FBSD has it's own licensing.  I'll defer to others as to the details, or visit 
www.freebsd.org

- Original Message -
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org 
To: questi...@freebsd.org 
Sent: Tue Mar 23 09:40:15 2010
Subject: Free BSD Licensing

Free BSD representative,

I am inquiring if Free BSD is installable under the The GNU General Public 
License (short: GNU GPL or simply GPL)?  Need to verify that for the 
requester of this software as coming through our subcontracts division.


Jack Guelff
Subcontracts Administrator 
Software and Intellectual Property Licensing 
Office: (319) 263-0985 
Fax: (319) 295-2075 
jegue...@rockwellcollins.com 
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Re: Free BSD Licensing

[Matthew Seaman]

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> Free BSD representative,
> 
> I am inquiring if Free BSD is installable under the The GNU General Public 
> License (short: GNU GPL or simply GPL)?  Need to verify that for the 
> requester of this software as coming through our subcontracts division.

Mostly FreeBSD uses the FreeBSD license:

http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/freebsd-license.html

This is an open-source license according to the OSI terms.  Some
software within the FreeBSD distribution is licensed under the GPL or LGPL.

As the FreeBSD license is less restrictive than the GPL, it's pretty
much safe to say that wherever you are permitted install GPL'd software,
you could substitute FreeBSD licensed software without legal penalty.
(Note: *install* -- redistribution is a different matter)

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: Free BSD Licensing

[Henrik Hudson]

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010, jegue...@rockwellcollins.com wrote:

> Free BSD representative,
> 
> I am inquiring if Free BSD is installable under the The GNU General Public 
> License (short: GNU GPL or simply GPL)?  Need to verify that for the 
> requester of this software as coming through our subcontracts division.

How do you install something "under" a license? FreeBSD is developed
and distributed using the BSD license. More information is available
at www.freebsd.org  

If you're wondering whether or not FreeBSD is freely available and
can be installed in a commerical environment then the short answer would
be yes. However, I encourage you to read the licensing clauses
available on www.freebsd.org, specifically here:
http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/freebsd-license.html

This wiki gives a decent overview of the differences:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software_licence


Henrik
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Re: Free BSD Licensing

[Mehmet Erol Sanliturk]

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:40 AM,  wrote:

> Free BSD representative,
>
> I am inquiring if Free BSD is installable under the The GNU General Public
> License (short: GNU GPL or simply GPL)?  Need to verify that for the
> requester of this software as coming through our subcontracts division.
>
>
> Jack Guelff
> Subcontracts Administrator
> Software and Intellectual Property Licensing
> Office: (319) 263-0985
> Fax: (319) 295-2075
> jegue...@rockwellcollins.com
> 



I am NOT a lawyer , therefore my views can not be considered a legal advice
.

I think , your best action would be to ask to a lawyer ( being expert on
copyright and licensing issues ) for legal issues of such a question to be
answered properly .

If you consider GPL , its most important requirement is that when a GPL
licensed software is distributed to others , the source is also should be
supplied with respect to GPL license rules .

A BSD licensed software can be used in ANY WAY without removing its license
and copyright terms .

If you study

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#CombinePublicDomainWithGPL
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#OrigBSD

you will see that it is not possible to combine each free and permissive
licensed software with a GPL licensed software . Therefore , for FreeBSD ,
it is necessary to review each file with respect to GPL combination .

Another point is that GPL license can cover only USED parts within a GPL
licensed software . If FreeBSD is not , let´s say , called by , or linked
into a GPL licensed software  , it will NOT be GPL license covered . It is
obvious that any software with its own license terms can NOT be re-licensed
as GPL licensed software , at least because GPL can NOT remove its own
license , but it can or can not be utilized within a GPL licensed software .

As a result , my opinion is that FreeBSD can NOT be re-licensed as a GPL
licensed software as a whole .  In reality , this is not necessary also
because FreeBSD sources are open to public through its source repositories .


Thank you very much .


Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
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Re: Free BSD Licensing

[Richard Tobin]

> As the FreeBSD license is less restrictive than the GPL, it's pretty
> much safe to say that wherever you are permitted install GPL'd software,
> you could substitute FreeBSD licensed software without legal penalty.
> (Note: *install* -- redistribution is a different matter)

You do not have to agree to the GPL to use GPL'd software: it
explicitly says that it only covers "copying, distribution and
modification" and not "running the program".

The FreeBSD licence on the other hand only allows you to use the
software if you agree to the conditions - which only affect
redistribution, so if you do not redistribute it, the licence
terms do not affect you.

I suppose a theoretical difference is that if you redistribute FreeBSD
in violation of the conditions you no longer have the right to use it,
which is not true for the GPL.

-- Richard

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Free BSD Upgrade Problem

[dharam paul]

Hallo all!
I am very new to FreeBSD.
I installed freebsd 5.4
I upgraded to source of RELENG_6_0 while I fetched in
the ports of current release by use of '*default tag=.

I followed following steps after downloading above
with CVSUP: (Please pardon me , I am from windows
background for my language
I backed up my kernel, 
#cd /usr/src/sys/i386/conf
#cp GENERIC GENERIC1.BAK
next>>
#cd /usr/ports
#make installworld
#make buildworld
#make buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC
#make install kernel KERNCONF=GENERIC
Now restarted 
#shutdown -r now
and logged in in single user mode.

Now the display was
*** Displaying difference of difference between
./etc/master.password & installed version
---/etc/master.passwd Thu MAr 23 13:46:04 2006
+++./etc/master.passwd Mon Jun 6 20:19:56:2006
@@-1,6 +1,6@@  

(I am  not writing here all the output of differences)

Do you wish to delete what is left of 
/var/tmp/temproot?

My action: I opted for no.

Message: 
You installed a new master.passwd file so make sure
you run '/usr/sbin/pwd_mkdb -p/etc/master.passwd' to
rebuild your password files.
Would you like to run it now
y/n

My action: I opeted 'y"

Message:
Running /usr/sbin/pwd/pwd_mkdb -p/etc/master.passwd
***comparing make variables
***Form /etc/make.con
*** Form /usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf
PERL_VER=5.6.6
*No example variable with this name
PERL_VERSION=5.6.6
*No example variable with this name
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(After this I rebooted and I can not login now)


Now my question:
What is the remedy available to me now? I can not load
my backed up kernel also. Or may be that since I am a
newbie, I am not not following the correct procedure.
Do I have to reinstall the system now?

I started this upgrade process because my delay pools
were not working on squid in freeBSD 5.4.
Thanks and regards.




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Re: Free BSD Mirror

[pete wright]

On 4/8/06, Jim Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
> I am interested in donating a server and bandwidth for a freebsd 
> mirror site. Can some one help me with this request.
>
>
> If you have any questions please call 443-807-8076
>
that's great!  please read this documentation first, it should help
you get started with this process:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/hubs/index.html

-pete


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Re: Free BSD - Suggestion

[Daniel A.]

On 4/19/06, Everton Sanches <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Hi,
>
>
>I'm designer and I really appreciate the  freeBSD.
>
>
>I would like that you take a look on my  suggestion to the logo of
>freeBDS(r).
>
>
>It's simple and innovative.
>
>
>Thank you.
>
>
>
>
>
>[3D"cid:image001.gif@01C663C2.2CBA2600"]
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Re: Free BSD Certification

[Erik Norgaard]

On Tue, 18 Oct 2005, Eugene Prenzler wrote:


I would like to know if there is a institution in South Africa, Gauteng,
Pretoria that offers Certification on Free BSD?

And what are there contact details.


I am not aware of any recognized BSD certification, but there are 
two current initiatives to establish certification - beware of 
the domain names!


bsdcertification.org
bsdcertification.com

Cheers, Erik
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Re: Free BSD Certification

[Bill Moran]

"Eugene Prenzler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I would like to know if there is a institution in South Africa, Gauteng,
> Pretoria that offers Certification on Free BSD?

Information can be found here:
http://www.bsdcertification.org/

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Re: Free Bsd 6.2

[Jerry McAllister]

On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 12:01:07PM -0500, Jack Jordan wrote:

> 
> I purchased a copy of this software. what is the installation command line
> for opening disk#1,2,&Ubunto

??  What does Ubunto have to do with it?

Do you also have Ubunto installed on the disk - eg this is installed
as a dual-boot?   In that case, if things are installed correctly, it 
should come up with a menu item for it and FreeBSD at boot time.

jerry

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Re: Free Bsd 6.2

[doug]

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Jack Jordan wrote:



I purchased a copy of this software. what is the installation command line
for opening disk#1,2,&Ubunto



Ubunto is a Linux packaged distribution. If you want the FreeBSD equivalent of 
that check out http://www.pcbsd.org/. If you purchased FreeBSD 6.x first start 
with http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html.


The short answer to your question is probably ctrl-alt-delete.



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Re: Free Bsd 6.2

[Brian A. Seklecki]

Boot off of the CD1.  Erase ubuntu from the disk using a harsh and
abrasive solvent like bleach.

~~BAS

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> I purchased a copy of this software. what is the installation command line
> for opening disk#1,2,&Ubunto
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Re: Free BSD font

[Norberto Meijome]

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:30:20 +0100
Martin Houlden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> HI guys
> 
> I currently run a Free BSD server using plesk 8.1 - not that this has  
> anything to do with my question!
> 
> But i'm putting together a corporate ID for a charity, and have been  
> looking for a rounded font. So far i've tried the usual suspects  
> (VAG, arial & helvetica rounded) but not found anything that really  
> works.
> 
> Can you let me know what font you've used for the main Free BSD logo  
> - I think it's really very nice and perfectly understated.

Hi Martin,
search the archives for the announcement of the new logo (sometime last year). 
It includes information about the winner entry (as well as LOADS of discussions 
on how good/bad/horrible/ok it is :-) ). I remember reading something about the 
font there too.

Or browse freebsd.org - i'm pretty certain the information about the logo is 
there somewhere.

good luck
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