Re: FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE Installation success
On 10/25/2010 09:18 PM, Michael D. Norwick wrote: I have not looked at PC-BSD because I thought the BSD's were all somewhat similar (powerful, stable, and secure). I only moved off of Debian due to feature bloat and the 'Fedoraizing' it (debian) is experiencing. Richard Bejtlich talks so highly of FreeBSD in his TAO of Network Security Monitoring book. Anyway, please forgive me for not providing more information on the above build issue. I should have been more patient. I remember seeing that the Debian Project is elevating their GNU/kFreeBSD distro set to official for Lenny. I use FreeBSD for my home server, Debian Lenny for my laptop and our new lab machines (running EDA tools)... and am stuck with Solaris for the time being. *jedi hand wave* Pay no attention to that Win7 VM--it's just there for OneNote 2010. --Joseph Lenox ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE Installation success
On Mon, 25 Oct 2010 19:58:08 -0500, Ian Gibson ibgib...@gmail.com wrote: What's the situation re: PC-BSD? I thought they were 'FreeBSD on the desktop', leaving FreeBSD itself to focus on being a great server OS. FreeBSD per definition is a multi-purpose OS. It can be used on servers (and often is), on desktops, and also on embedded systems. Mixed forms (e. g. desktops that provide certain server functiona- lity) are also possible. There is no limitation as with some modern Linusi that require X to be getting installed - a problem for a server without any graphics. :-) Isn't the whole point of PC-BSD to remove the need to do what the OP did i.e. spend days or weeks installing and configuring FreeBSD with desktop applications? The main goal of PC-BSD is to deliver a KDE-centered (!) system with certain preconfiguration and automatisms, as well as caterin the first sight effect that is often considered more important than strengths in software when questioning which OS to use (means that the choice of OS is judged by how it looks like). Please don't get me wrong: I have several friends using PC-BSD for some years now, and they love it. For me, as a KDE hater, it is a complete no-go. As a German, too, as KDE's internationalisation and german language quality is inferior to those of Gnome or Xfce. You can scare off a German user with one english word. :-) Still, PC-BSD is an excellent system if you have sufficiently new hardware to run it on. KDE runs very well then. It may be possible that you need to manually add illegal codecs if you want to use the multimedia features. It seems logical to me to keep FreeBSD as a server OS and build a desktop separately on top of this, analogous to what Ubuntu did with Debian (only BSD should of course be far superior!). It is not logical as FreeBSD is not (just) a server OS per definition, so it can't be kept being one. :-) In my opinion, dividing FreeBSD would make it less interesting to many users. Its flexibility and configurability makes it strong where other operating systems simply don't do the job. Let me give you a very individual example: I'm using FreeBSD on the desktop EXCLUSIVELY (!) since version 4.0. My home system is so old that you wouldn't want to have it for free. Still, I can do more, and faster!, than most idiots (sorry) with their new rocket-like PCs full of crapware. FreeBSD does NOT force me to upgrade my system just because I upgrade the OS. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Fwd: Re: FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE Installation success
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Subject:Re: FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE Installation success
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 06:27:56 -0500
From: Michael D. Norwick mnorw...@centurytel.net
To: Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com
On 10/25/10 21:52, Warren Block wrote:
On Mon, 25 Oct 2010, Michael D. Norwick wrote:
I spoke a little too soon. I was UPGRADING to KDE4 4.5.2 as I was
typing the message. 'portupgrade kde4' was @ approx. 38% when it
error'd out on something about 'kdelibs4-4.4.5' too old. Going to
/usr/ports/kdelibs4 and 'make clean', 'make', borked also. I do not
have much time tonight for fiddling so, I deleted my ports tree and
cvsup'd /usr/ports again.
1. Use csup, not cvsup. csup is in the base system.
2. Consider using portsnap instead.
3. Deleting your ports tree before updating it will waste time and
bandwidth. Use 'portsclean -C' if you just want to remove work
directories.
4. http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/portupgrade.html
I have not looked at PC-BSD because I thought the BSD's were all
somewhat similar (powerful, stable, and secure).
PC-BSD is just a desktop installation of FreeBSD and KDE. Well,
there's a little more to it than that, but it *is* FreeBSD, not a
different BSD.
Thank You, point taken. 'portupgrade kdelibs4' stopped a quarter of the
way through on a fresh ports tree. The following is a sample of the errors:
/usr/local/include/qt4/QtCore/qlist.h:528: error: 'QT_TRY' was not
declared in this scope
/usr/local/include/qt4/QtCore/qlist.h:528: error: expected `;' before
'{' token
/usr/local/include/qt4/QtCore/qlist.h:530: error: expected
primary-expression before '...' token
/usr/local/include/qt4/QtCore/qlist.h:530: error: there are no arguments
to 'QT_CATCH' that depend on a template parameter, so a declaration of
'QT_CATCH' must be available
/usr/local/include/qt4/QtCore/qlist.h:530: error: expected `;' before
'{' token
/usr/local/include/qt4/QtCore/qlist.h: In member function 'void
QListT::replace(int, const T)':
/usr/local/include/qt4/QtCore/qlist.h:540: error: 'p' was not declared
in this scope
/usr/local/include/qt4/QtCore/qlist.h:540: error: there are no arguments
to 'Q_ASSERT_X' that depend on a template parameter, so a declaration of
'Q_ASSERT_X' must be available
/usr/local/include/qt4/QtCore/qlist.h:542: error: 'QTypeInfo' was not
declared in this scope
/usr/local/include/qt4/QtCore/qlist.h:542: error: expected
primary-expression before '' token
/usr/local/include/qt4/QtCore/qlist.h:542: error: '::isLarge' has not
been declared
/usr/local/include/qt4/QtCore/qlist.h:542: error: expected
primary-expression before '' token
/usr/local/include/qt4/QtCore/qlist.h:542: error: '::isStatic' has not
been declared
/usr/local/include/qt4/QtCore/qlist.h: In member function 'void
QListT::swap(int, int)':
/usr/local/include/qt4/QtCore/qlist.h:553: error: 'p' was not declared
in this scope
/usr/local/include/qt4/QtCore/qlist.h:554: error: there are no arguments
to 'Q_ASSERT_X' that depend on a template parameter, so a declaration of
'Q_ASSERT_X' must be available
I agree that removing /usr/ports when I have a major build issue is a
waste of bandwidth if, the issue is not due to a tainted ports tree. I
was just referencing an old(?) thread or howto that suggested it. This
procedure had fixed another build issue with a graphviz dependency in
the past so, I guess I took it to heart.
I appreciate the responses and maybe I should be on PCBSD. I'm not
running Apache2 or serving a couple hundred clients. I just wanted to
run with the big dogs.
Michael
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FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE Installation success
Good Day; It is with some pleasure that I have finally succeeded in building an operative workstation with a custom kernel and world, Xorg 1.7.5, KDE4-4.5.2 from ports, most common network applications as well as Firefox3, and Thunderbird 3.1.5. The machine is an older Dell GX270 P4 2.4 GHz PC with 3G of ram and an ATI Radeon video adapter. This install has not been without it's trials. 4 weeks ago I backed up all my data and reformatted from Debian 'lenny' to GPT/ZFS/8.1-RELEASE. The next two weeks did not go so well. While I tried hard to get ZFS formatted drives to work reliably, intermittent unexplained core dumps with reboots gave me cause for concern. I finally reinstalled msdos boot records and formatted the drives UFS. That install has lasted 2 more weeks. I liked ZFS v14 and would like to try it again when I get more current hardware with more ram and SATA drives. My next challenge was building KDE4, Firefox, and Thunderbird from ports. KDE4 and friends (QT4) took days on this machine to build, install and setup. I initially installed the ports tree using portsnap but was having so much trouble building the mozilla stuff from ports I moved to cvsup and portupgrade. This is also what I used to install the kernel and base source tree. Several iterations of make - clean and deinstall/reinstall along with cvsup'ing ports a couple of times finally got me to a working browser and mail client. I have had a time getting Flash working with Firefox. I have not yet got the plugin working in Firefox but Opera, using linux-f10 allows my kids view their on-line home school lessons. Audio was somewhat of a challenge to get sound from an AC97 on-board audio chipset. snd_hda was the module that eventually provided the needed audio driver for this chipset. I think I forgot what configuring this stuff was like during my 'hamm', 'bo', and 'slink', debian days. My thanks to the entire FreeBSD/KDE development team on allowing me to experience the fruit of their efforts. I still like turning the knobs myself. I'll keep reading the manuals. :) Michael ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE Installation success
The problem here is that it shouldn't take so much effort to get this going. But I know it does. And I don't blame the FreeBSD team. I do blame the organizational infra-structure that exists. ie., we should have scripts that describe every aspect of a computer, so that such scripts can be mechanically read and a configuration built. We do ./configure for software we install. Same thing, but for all aspects of the hardware. The present configure logic covers the OS and the installed software, we need to do this for hardware. I notice that freeBSD download's and installs trails Linux. That's okay. FreeBSD is so much better, and in so many ways, too. Nothing I've seen in Linux lands comes close to the sysinstall command or the plainly superior organization of FreeBSD. What I'm trying to encourage is that we, as a group, work on our infra-structures, like strengthing the already high level of organization we have in sysinstall. How about a query program that examines a machine. Is this practical? Something like the automated X-install process that makes it unnecessary to set the horizontal and vertical frequencies ourselves (which we used to have to do.) But not for X, for the sound card, for as much as possible. On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Michael D. Norwick mnorw...@centurytel.net wrote: Good Day; It is with some pleasure that I have finally succeeded in building an operative workstation with a custom kernel and world, Xorg 1.7.5, KDE4-4.5.2 from ports, most common network applications as well as Firefox3, and Thunderbird 3.1.5. The machine is an older Dell GX270 P4 2.4 GHz PC with 3G of ram and an ATI Radeon video adapter. This install has not been without it's trials. 4 weeks ago I backed up all my data and reformatted from Debian 'lenny' to GPT/ZFS/8.1-RELEASE. The next two weeks did not go so well. While I tried hard to get ZFS formatted drives to work reliably, intermittent unexplained core dumps with reboots gave me cause for concern. I finally reinstalled msdos boot records and formatted the drives UFS. That install has lasted 2 more weeks. I liked ZFS v14 and would like to try it again when I get more current hardware with more ram and SATA drives. My next challenge was building KDE4, Firefox, and Thunderbird from ports. KDE4 and friends (QT4) took days on this machine to build, install and setup. I initially installed the ports tree using portsnap but was having so much trouble building the mozilla stuff from ports I moved to cvsup and portupgrade. This is also what I used to install the kernel and base source tree. Several iterations of make - clean and deinstall/reinstall along with cvsup'ing ports a couple of times finally got me to a working browser and mail client. I have had a time getting Flash working with Firefox. I have not yet got the plugin working in Firefox but Opera, using linux-f10 allows my kids view their on-line home school lessons. Audio was somewhat of a challenge to get sound from an AC97 on-board audio chipset. snd_hda was the module that eventually provided the needed audio driver for this chipset. I think I forgot what configuring this stuff was like during my 'hamm', 'bo', and 'slink', debian days. My thanks to the entire FreeBSD/KDE development team on allowing me to experience the fruit of their efforts. I still like turning the knobs myself. I'll keep reading the manuals. :) Michael ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE Installation success
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Henry Olyer henry.ol...@gmail.com wrote: The problem here is that it shouldn't take so much effort to get this going. But I know it does. And I don't blame the FreeBSD team. I do blame the organizational infra-structure that exists. ie., we should have scripts that describe every aspect of a computer, so that such scripts can be mechanically read and a configuration built. We do ./configure for software we install. Same thing, but for all aspects of the hardware. The present configure logic covers the OS and the installed software, we need to do this for hardware. I notice that freeBSD download's and installs trails Linux. That's okay. FreeBSD is so much better, and in so many ways, too. Nothing I've seen in Linux lands comes close to the sysinstall command or the plainly superior organization of FreeBSD. What I'm trying to encourage is that we, as a group, work on our infra-structures, like strengthing the already high level of organization we have in sysinstall. How about a query program that examines a machine. Is this practical? Something like the automated X-install process that makes it unnecessary to set the horizontal and vertical frequencies ourselves (which we used to have to do.) But not for X, for the sound card, for as much as possible. On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Michael D. Norwick mnorw...@centurytel.net wrote: Good Day; It is with some pleasure that I have finally succeeded in building an operative workstation with a custom kernel and world, Xorg 1.7.5, KDE4-4.5.2 from ports, most common network applications as well as Firefox3, and Thunderbird 3.1.5. The machine is an older Dell GX270 P4 2.4 GHz PC with 3G of ram and an ATI Radeon video adapter. This install has not been without it's trials. 4 weeks ago I backed up all my data and reformatted from Debian 'lenny' to GPT/ZFS/8.1-RELEASE. The next two weeks did not go so well. While I tried hard to get ZFS formatted drives to work reliably, intermittent unexplained core dumps with reboots gave me cause for concern. I finally reinstalled msdos boot records and formatted the drives UFS. That install has lasted 2 more weeks. I liked ZFS v14 and would like to try it again when I get more current hardware with more ram and SATA drives. My next challenge was building KDE4, Firefox, and Thunderbird from ports. KDE4 and friends (QT4) took days on this machine to build, install and setup. I initially installed the ports tree using portsnap but was having so much trouble building the mozilla stuff from ports I moved to cvsup and portupgrade. This is also what I used to install the kernel and base source tree. Several iterations of make - clean and deinstall/reinstall along with cvsup'ing ports a couple of times finally got me to a working browser and mail client. I have had a time getting Flash working with Firefox. I have not yet got the plugin working in Firefox but Opera, using linux-f10 allows my kids view their on-line home school lessons. Audio was somewhat of a challenge to get sound from an AC97 on-board audio chipset. snd_hda was the module that eventually provided the needed audio driver for this chipset. I think I forgot what configuring this stuff was like during my 'hamm', 'bo', and 'slink', debian days. My thanks to the entire FreeBSD/KDE development team on allowing me to experience the fruit of their efforts. I still like turning the knobs myself. I'll keep reading the manuals. :) Michael Have either of you had a look at PC-BSD? http://www.pcbsd.org/ It's getting better with each release...oh, and it's based on FreeBSD too :) -Brandon ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE Installation success
What's the situation re: PC-BSD? I thought they were 'FreeBSD on the desktop', leaving FreeBSD itself to focus on being a great server OS. Isn't the whole point of PC-BSD to remove the need to do what the OP did i.e. spend days or weeks installing and configuring FreeBSD with desktop applications? It seems logical to me to keep FreeBSD as a server OS and build a desktop separately on top of this, analogous to what Ubuntu did with Debian (only BSD should of course be far superior!). Ian On 25/10/10 19:50, Henry Olyer wrote: The problem here is that it shouldn't take so much effort to get this going. But I know it does. And I don't blame the FreeBSD team. I do blame the organizational infra-structure that exists. ie., we should have scripts that describe every aspect of a computer, so that such scripts can be mechanically read and a configuration built. We do ./configure for software we install. Same thing, but for all aspects of the hardware. The present configure logic covers the OS and the installed software, we need to do this for hardware. I notice that freeBSD download's and installs trails Linux. That's okay. FreeBSD is so much better, and in so many ways, too. Nothing I've seen in Linux lands comes close to the sysinstall command or the plainly superior organization of FreeBSD. What I'm trying to encourage is that we, as a group, work on our infra-structures, like strengthing the already high level of organization we have in sysinstall. How about a query program that examines a machine. Is this practical? Something like the automated X-install process that makes it unnecessary to set the horizontal and vertical frequencies ourselves (which we used to have to do.) But not for X, for the sound card, for as much as possible. On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Michael D. Norwickmnorw...@centurytel.net wrote: Good Day; It is with some pleasure that I have finally succeeded in building an operative workstation with a custom kernel and world, Xorg 1.7.5, KDE4-4.5.2 from ports, most common network applications as well as Firefox3, and Thunderbird 3.1.5. The machine is an older Dell GX270 P4 2.4 GHz PC with 3G of ram and an ATI Radeon video adapter. This install has not been without it's trials. 4 weeks ago I backed up all my data and reformatted from Debian 'lenny' to GPT/ZFS/8.1-RELEASE. The next two weeks did not go so well. While I tried hard to get ZFS formatted drives to work reliably, intermittent unexplained core dumps with reboots gave me cause for concern. I finally reinstalled msdos boot records and formatted the drives UFS. That install has lasted 2 more weeks. I liked ZFS v14 and would like to try it again when I get more current hardware with more ram and SATA drives. My next challenge was building KDE4, Firefox, and Thunderbird from ports. KDE4 and friends (QT4) took days on this machine to build, install and setup. I initially installed the ports tree using portsnap but was having so much trouble building the mozilla stuff from ports I moved to cvsup and portupgrade. This is also what I used to install the kernel and base source tree. Several iterations of make - clean and deinstall/reinstall along with cvsup'ing ports a couple of times finally got me to a working browser and mail client. I have had a time getting Flash working with Firefox. I have not yet got the plugin working in Firefox but Opera, using linux-f10 allows my kids view their on-line home school lessons. Audio was somewhat of a challenge to get sound from an AC97 on-board audio chipset. snd_hda was the module that eventually provided the needed audio driver for this chipset. I think I forgot what configuring this stuff was like during my 'hamm', 'bo', and 'slink', debian days. My thanks to the entire FreeBSD/KDE development team on allowing me to experience the fruit of their efforts. I still like turning the knobs myself. I'll keep reading the manuals. :) Michael ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE Installation success
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Michael D. Norwick mnorw...@centurytel.net
wrote:
Good Day;
It is with some pleasure that I have finally succeeded in building an
operative workstation with a custom kernel and world, Xorg 1.7.5,
KDE4-4.5.2 from ports, most common network applications as well as Firefox3,
and Thunderbird 3.1.5. The machine is an older Dell GX270 P4 2.4 GHz PC
with 3G of ram and an ATI Radeon video adapter.
This install has not been without it's trials.
4 weeks ago I backed up all my data and reformatted from Debian 'lenny' to
GPT/ZFS/8.1-RELEASE. The next two weeks did not go so well. While I tried
hard to get ZFS formatted drives to work reliably, intermittent unexplained
core dumps with reboots gave me cause for concern. I finally reinstalled
msdos boot records and formatted the drives UFS. That install has lasted 2
more weeks. I liked ZFS v14 and would like to try it again when I get more
current hardware with more ram and SATA drives.
My next challenge was building KDE4, Firefox, and Thunderbird from ports.
KDE4 and friends (QT4) took days on this machine to build, install and
setup. I initially installed the ports tree using portsnap but was having
so much trouble building the mozilla stuff from ports I moved to cvsup and
portupgrade. This is also what I used to install the kernel and base source
tree. Several iterations of make - clean and deinstall/reinstall along with
cvsup'ing ports a couple of times finally got me to a working browser and
mail client.
I have had a time getting Flash working with Firefox. I have not yet got
the plugin working in Firefox but Opera, using linux-f10 allows my kids view
their on-line home school lessons. Audio was somewhat of a challenge to get
sound from an AC97 on-board audio chipset. snd_hda was the module that
eventually provided the needed audio driver for this chipset. I think I
forgot what configuring this stuff was like during my 'hamm', 'bo', and
'slink', debian days.
My thanks to the entire FreeBSD/KDE development team on allowing me to
experience the fruit of their efforts. I still like turning the knobs
myself. I'll keep reading the manuals. :)
From a clean install:
portsnap fetch extract
cd /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portmaster
make install clean rehash
portmaster -d x11-servers/xorg-server x11-drivers/xf86-input-mouse
x11-drivers/xf86-input-keyboard x11-drivers/{YOUR VIDEO DRIVER PORT} --
(Could also use the nvidia binary.)
echo 'dbus_enable=YES' /etc/rc.conf
echo 'hald_enable=YES' /etc/rc.conf
Follow handbook entries on sound, browser, and any other items . Flashblock
makes flash much more bearable and it's not very intrusive like noscript.
Time spent on this method is considerable especially with slow hardware, but
you have a nice updated system and the build process is quite reliable IME.
99% of the time is spent in compiling, there is very little to 0 time spent
in troubleshooting if you are practiced in the area.
Upgrading an existing install is another matter entirely, on fast hardware I
prefer to clean out all installed packages and start from scratch.
--
Adam Vande More
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Re: FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE Installation success
On 10/25/10 20:11, Brandon Gooch wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Henry Olyerhenry.ol...@gmail.com wrote: The problem here is that it shouldn't take so much effort to get this going. But I know it does. And I don't blame the FreeBSD team. I do blame the organizational infra-structure that exists. ie., we should have scripts that describe every aspect of a computer, so that such scripts can be mechanically read and a configuration built. We do ./configure for software we install. Same thing, but for all aspects of the hardware. The present configure logic covers the OS and the installed software, we need to do this for hardware. I notice that freeBSD download's and installs trails Linux. That's okay. FreeBSD is so much better, and in so many ways, too. Nothing I've seen in Linux lands comes close to the sysinstall command or the plainly superior organization of FreeBSD. What I'm trying to encourage is that we, as a group, work on our infra-structures, like strengthing the already high level of organization we have in sysinstall. How about a query program that examines a machine. Is this practical? Something like the automated X-install process that makes it unnecessary to set the horizontal and vertical frequencies ourselves (which we used to have to do.) But not for X, for the sound card, for as much as possible. On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Michael D. Norwickmnorw...@centurytel.net wrote: Good Day; It is with some pleasure that I have finally succeeded in building an operative workstation with a custom kernel and world, Xorg 1.7.5, KDE4-4.5.2 from ports, most common network applications as well as Firefox3, and Thunderbird 3.1.5. The machine is an older Dell GX270 P4 2.4 GHz PC with 3G of ram and an ATI Radeon video adapter. This install has not been without it's trials. 4 weeks ago I backed up all my data and reformatted from Debian 'lenny' to GPT/ZFS/8.1-RELEASE. The next two weeks did not go so well. While I tried hard to get ZFS formatted drives to work reliably, intermittent unexplained core dumps with reboots gave me cause for concern. I finally reinstalled msdos boot records and formatted the drives UFS. That install has lasted 2 more weeks. I liked ZFS v14 and would like to try it again when I get more current hardware with more ram and SATA drives. My next challenge was building KDE4, Firefox, and Thunderbird from ports. KDE4 and friends (QT4) took days on this machine to build, install and setup. I initially installed the ports tree using portsnap but was having so much trouble building the mozilla stuff from ports I moved to cvsup and portupgrade. This is also what I used to install the kernel and base source tree. Several iterations of make - clean and deinstall/reinstall along with cvsup'ing ports a couple of times finally got me to a working browser and mail client. I have had a time getting Flash working with Firefox. I have not yet got the plugin working in Firefox but Opera, using linux-f10 allows my kids view their on-line home school lessons. Audio was somewhat of a challenge to get sound from an AC97 on-board audio chipset. snd_hda was the module that eventually provided the needed audio driver for this chipset. I think I forgot what configuring this stuff was like during my 'hamm', 'bo', and 'slink', debian days. My thanks to the entire FreeBSD/KDE development team on allowing me to experience the fruit of their efforts. I still like turning the knobs myself. I'll keep reading the manuals. :) Michael Have either of you had a look at PC-BSD? http://www.pcbsd.org/ It's getting better with each release...oh, and it's based on FreeBSD too :) -Brandon ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I spoke a little too soon. I was UPGRADING to KDE4 4.5.2 as I was typing the message. 'portupgrade kde4' was @ approx. 38% when it error'd out on something about 'kdelibs4-4.4.5' too old. Going to /usr/ports/kdelibs4 and 'make clean', 'make', borked also. I do not have much time tonight for fiddling so, I deleted my ports tree and cvsup'd /usr/ports again. I'll try again tomorrow evening if the winds we are currently experiencing here in western wisconsin don't blow all our buildings away and kill my horses. I have not looked at PC-BSD because I thought the BSD's were all somewhat similar (powerful, stable, and secure). I only moved off of Debian due to feature bloat and the 'Fedoraizing' it (debian) is experiencing. Richard Bejtlich talks so highly of FreeBSD in his TAO of Network Security Monitoring book. Anyway, please forgive me for not providing more information on the above build issue. I should have been more patient. I have NetBSD 5.0.2 running on an old X-less backup and file server. The learning curve wasn't too steep!!
Re: FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE Installation success
On Mon, 25 Oct 2010, Michael D. Norwick wrote: I spoke a little too soon. I was UPGRADING to KDE4 4.5.2 as I was typing the message. 'portupgrade kde4' was @ approx. 38% when it error'd out on something about 'kdelibs4-4.4.5' too old. Going to /usr/ports/kdelibs4 and 'make clean', 'make', borked also. I do not have much time tonight for fiddling so, I deleted my ports tree and cvsup'd /usr/ports again. 1. Use csup, not cvsup. csup is in the base system. 2. Consider using portsnap instead. 3. Deleting your ports tree before updating it will waste time and bandwidth. Use 'portsclean -C' if you just want to remove work directories. 4. http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/portupgrade.html I have not looked at PC-BSD because I thought the BSD's were all somewhat similar (powerful, stable, and secure). PC-BSD is just a desktop installation of FreeBSD and KDE. Well, there's a little more to it than that, but it *is* FreeBSD, not a different BSD. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE Installation success
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 17:25, Michael D. Norwick mnorw...@centurytel.net wrote: 4 weeks ago I backed up all my data and reformatted from Debian 'lenny' to GPT/ZFS/8.1-RELEASE. The next two weeks did not go so well. While I tried hard to get ZFS formatted drives to work reliably, intermittent unexplained core dumps with reboots gave me cause for concern. There have been some significant fixes to ZFS in the last several months. 8-STABLE is probably the best branch to follow for ZFS right now. On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 19:18, Michael D. Norwick mnorw...@centurytel.net wrote: I spoke a little too soon. I was UPGRADING to KDE4 4.5.2 as I was typing the message. 'portupgrade kde4' was @ approx. 38% when it error'd out on something about 'kdelibs4-4.4.5' too old. Going to /usr/ports/kdelibs4 and 'make clean', 'make', borked also. I do not have much time tonight for fiddling so, I deleted my ports tree and cvsup'd /usr/ports again. I'll try again tomorrow evening if the winds we are currently experiencing here in western wisconsin don't blow all our buildings away and kill my horses. What KDE did you start with? Did you do: 20100902: AFFECTS: users of KDE4 AUTHOR: k...@freebsd.org KDE SC ports has been updated to 4.5.1. A number of files were moved between packages, manual intervention into update procedure is required: # pkg_delete -f kdehier4\* kdelibs-4\* kdebase-4\* kdebase-runtime-4\* kdebase-workspace-4\* # rm -rf /usr/local/kde4/share/PolicyKit/policy # cd /usr/ports/misc/kdehier4 make install clean # portmaster -a (portupgrade -a can be used here too, if you want to stick with that) Upgrading big stuff like KDE is going to require some manual intervention because obsolete dependencies need removed, old libraries might interfere with the build of new ones, etc. Best practice is to look at /usr/ports/UPDATING for any special instructions when updating ports. ports-mgmt/portupdate-scan can help with this. In reality, myself and most people tend to wait for something to go wrong before checking (you can tell by the regular threads where people report a problem it already addresses.) -- Rob Farmer ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
