Re: FreeBSD server(s) to backup multi-platform systems remotely

2005-01-03 Thread Sitkei Attila

From a backup point of view, my goal...

On a nightly and automated basis - to take a snapshot of all new and
modified data from a FreeBSD server and Windows server. Then compress
and hopefully encrypt the data and send it to a remote FreeBSD server
through some form of efficient and secure file transfer. Uncompressed
the nightly data may total ~20MB.

It is worth to take a look at http://www.fluffy.co.uk/boxbackup/, which is
a tool focusing on automated (`lazy') or snapshot backup. Supported are most
unices, there is no FreeBSD-port however. A windows' client utility is work
in progress, though usable via cygwin now. Its main advantages:
* backups via encrypted streams, public key infrastucture
* only modified parts are to be transported
* preserving the overwritten or deleted files
* quota-support
* userland RAID-option
Have a nice day
--tef
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Re: FreeBSD server(s) to backup multi-platform systems remotely

2005-01-03 Thread Danny
On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 12:54:47 +0100, Sitkei Attila
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  From a backup point of view, my goal...
 
 
  On a nightly and automated basis - to take a snapshot of all new and
  modified data from a FreeBSD server and Windows server. Then compress
  and hopefully encrypt the data and send it to a remote FreeBSD server
  through some form of efficient and secure file transfer. Uncompressed
  the nightly data may total ~20MB.
 
 
 It is worth to take a look at http://www.fluffy.co.uk/boxbackup/, which is
 a tool focusing on automated (`lazy') or snapshot backup. Supported are most
 unices, there is no FreeBSD-port however. A windows' client utility is work
 in progress, though usable via cygwin now. Its main advantages:
 * backups via encrypted streams, public key infrastucture
 * only modified parts are to be transported
 * preserving the overwritten or deleted files
 * quota-support
 * userland RAID-option

I had never heard of boxbackup before, so thank you for the link! This
tool appears to be the closest to what I am looking for. Hopefully the
development continues.

Cheers,

...D
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Re: FreeBSD server(s) to backup multi-platform systems remotely

2005-01-03 Thread Stephan Lichtenauer
Am 03.01.2005 um 17:11 schrieb Danny:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 12:54:47 +0100, Sitkei Attila
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I had never heard of boxbackup before, so thank you for the link! This
tool appears to be the closest to what I am looking for. Hopefully the
development continues.
I just looked at it, too, and it reminds me a bit of DIBS 
(http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~emin/source_code/dibs/index.html), a 
distributed backup system that can send your data to several computers 
across the network. While I have no experience with it myself, what is 
on the website looks quite interesting and you might want to check that 
out, too.

Stephan
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Re: FreeBSD server(s) to backup multi-platform systems remotely

2004-12-30 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Andrew P.
  Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 7:33 PM
  To: Danny
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: FreeBSD server(s) to backup multi-platform systems remotely
  
 
  I don't want to sound like an ad, but I've heard some experienced backup 
  officers say that if you're gonna backup proprietary platforms (i.e. 
  Windows) you'd best use proprietary backup software.
 
 I would agree with this if the goal is to be able to restore a busted
 server.
 
 If the goal of the backup is merely to archive DATA, then this isn't
 true.  Of course, it's important to understand that archiving data and
 backing up the server are two different things.  With a server backup
 the goal is to create a restore set that allows you to come back
 from a flat server with a minimum amount of effort and time.  With
 a data archive there is no goal to create a restore set - instead
 you want to get the data centralized and put to a medium that you
 have a ghost of a chance of being able to read in 10 years. (and
 that ain't Arcserve, my friends)

And there's actually a *third* possible goal, which is quick recovery
of accidentally deleted (or overwritten, etc.) user data.  UFS2
filesystem snapshots are a remarkably easy way to provide this.  

And then there's RAID, which doesn't solve any of these problems, but
can help you get back up fast after losing a disk.

Each of these goals has a different best solution, and in some cases
the solution even depends on the details of the environment.  Figure
out exactly what you need before deciding how to fill that need.

-- 
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http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/
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Re: FreeBSD server(s) to backup multi-platform systems remotely

2004-12-30 Thread Danny
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 23:16:43 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
 If the goal of the backup is merely to archive DATA, then this isn't
 true. 

OK, I am not going to focus on archiving; the goal is to backup and restore.

Thank you for all of your suggestions. I am currently investigating them all.

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Re: FreeBSD server(s) to backup multi-platform systems remotely

2004-12-30 Thread Danny
On 30 Dec 2004 09:52:30 -0500, Lowell Gilbert
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 And there's actually a *third* possible goal, which is quick recovery
 of accidentally deleted (or overwritten, etc.) user data.  UFS2
 filesystem snapshots are a remarkably easy way to provide this.

This would be nice, but I am not going to get that granular at this
point. Thank you for the reminder, though.

 And then there's RAID, which doesn't solve any of these problems, but
 can help you get back up fast after losing a disk.

Hardware RAID, yes, for hardware failure. Got that covered.

 Each of these goals has a different best solution, and in some cases
 the solution even depends on the details of the environment.  Figure
 out exactly what you need before deciding how to fill that need.

From a backup point of view, my goal...

On a nightly and automated basis - to take a snapshot of all new and
modified data from a FreeBSD server and Windows server. Then compress
and hopefully encrypt the data and send it to a remote FreeBSD server
through some form of efficient and secure file transfer. Uncompressed
the nightly data may total ~20MB.

From a restore point of view, my goal...

To be able to download the compressed backup(s) from the remote server
and restore the previous days data.

Hopefully this explains my situation.

Thank you,

...D
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Re: FreeBSD server(s) to backup multi-platform systems remotely

2004-12-30 Thread Dave McCammon

--- Danny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 30 Dec 2004 09:52:30 -0500, Lowell Gilbert
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  And there's actually a *third* possible goal,
 which is quick recovery
  of accidentally deleted (or overwritten, etc.)
 user data.  UFS2
  filesystem snapshots are a remarkably easy way to
 provide this.
 
 This would be nice, but I am not going to get that
 granular at this
 point. Thank you for the reminder, though.
 
  And then there's RAID, which doesn't solve any of
 these problems, but
  can help you get back up fast after losing a disk.
 
 Hardware RAID, yes, for hardware failure. Got that
 covered.
 
  Each of these goals has a different best
 solution, and in some cases
  the solution even depends on the details of the
 environment.  Figure
  out exactly what you need before deciding how to
 fill that need.
 
 From a backup point of view, my goal...
 
 On a nightly and automated basis - to take a
 snapshot of all new and
 modified data from a FreeBSD server and Windows
 server. Then compress
 and hopefully encrypt the data and send it to a
 remote FreeBSD server
 through some form of efficient and secure file
 transfer. Uncompressed
 the nightly data may total ~20MB.
 
 From a restore point of view, my goal...
 
 To be able to download the compressed backup(s) from
 the remote server
 and restore the previous days data.
 
 Hopefully this explains my situation.
 
 Thank you,
 
 ...D
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I haven't caught all of this thread but I'll share
what I do.
I use rsync to sync file to a server for backup.
6 FreeBSD and one Win2K which have been set up to
rsync at different times in the morning hours.
On the Win2k machine, I have cygwin running that I use
to rsync the data over every night. I think there is
rsync for windows but I liked the command line
capabilities that cygwin gives me.
All use ssh in the rsync.

So after the night rsync's, I'll have a copy of files
on the backup server's harddrive and will also have a
copy on tape. Tape runs in morning after all servers
have sync'd. 





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Re: FreeBSD server(s) to backup multi-platform systems remotely

2004-12-30 Thread Danny
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:31:34 -0800 (PST), Dave McCammon
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I haven't caught all of this thread but I'll share
 what I do.
 I use rsync to sync file to a server for backup.
 6 FreeBSD and one Win2K which have been set up to
 rsync at different times in the morning hours.

Any of this communcation/transfer encrypted or compressed? What type
of backup would you compare your solution to -- incremental,
differential, full, etc.?

How many GB's you transfer?

 On the Win2k machine, I have cygwin running that I use
 to rsync the data over every night. I think there is
 rsync for windows but I liked the command line
 capabilities that cygwin gives me.
 All use ssh in the rsync.
[...]

How do you restore files?


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Re: FreeBSD server(s) to backup multi-platform systems remotely

2004-12-30 Thread Mark
On Thu, Dec 30, 2004 at 11:55:18AM -0500, Danny wrote:
 On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:31:34 -0800 (PST), Dave McCammon
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I haven't caught all of this thread but I'll share
  what I do.
  I use rsync to sync file to a server for backup.
  6 FreeBSD and one Win2K which have been set up to
  rsync at different times in the morning hours.
 
 Any of this communcation/transfer encrypted or compressed? What type
 of backup would you compare your solution to -- incremental,
 differential, full, etc.?
 
 How many GB's you transfer?
 
  On the Win2k machine, I have cygwin running that I use
  to rsync the data over every night. I think there is
  rsync for windows but I liked the command line
  capabilities that cygwin gives me.
  All use ssh in the rsync.
 [...]
 
 How do you restore files?
 
 
 ...D
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Thats the rub with windows, or I think so, you can back it up 
but getting it to reload is the big if.

I've restored a few programs from a backup, they run but they appear as
bastar* exe, not in the reg. but will run without errors.

If you load fresh you lose updated stuff, database index is not right for 
the updated program. Sorry just a personal rant.

No such thing as a perfect backup yet.
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Re: FreeBSD server(s) to backup multi-platform systems remotely

2004-12-30 Thread Alan Gerber
Dave McCammon wrote:
--- Danny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

[snip]

I haven't caught all of this thread but I'll share
what I do.
I use rsync to sync file to a server for backup.
6 FreeBSD and one Win2K which have been set up to
rsync at different times in the morning hours.
On the Win2k machine, I have cygwin running that I use
to rsync the data over every night. I think there is
rsync for windows but I liked the command line
capabilities that cygwin gives me.
All use ssh in the rsync.
So after the night rsync's, I'll have a copy of files
on the backup server's harddrive and will also have a
copy on tape. Tape runs in morning after all servers
have sync'd. 
   

I have a similar setup: a FreeBSD file and backup server with a 
dedicated hard drive that holds all of my backed up data.  I mount the 
hdd read-write at midnight each night, and I have scheduled tasks that 
run at 1am on 5 Windows boxes that rsync (over an SSH tunnel) specific 
directories that I want to keep backed up to the FreeBSD box.  I also 
have a local rsync job that runs on the FreeBSD box that backs up 
various locations in that system.  For the Windows boxes, I use the 
cwrsync package, which is really just rsync with cygwin.

I sort out the directory structure on the backup drive something like this:
/[boxname]/[weekly.[0-2]|daily.[0-6]]/[backup_dirs]
As you can tell from the directory structure, I run 7 days of 
incremental backups, and I also keep 3 weeks of full backups.  I have 
scripts that run at 12:15am to rotate the various directories around so 
that the incremental backups can work.

I compress the weekly backups via gzip to conserve hard disk space - I 
use the entirety of the 300gig drive.

At 6:30am, I remount the hdd as a read-only drive.  I push around about 
20 gigs per night when everything is all said and done, but because this 
all happens over a local 100mbps network, it isn't that bad.

I don't currently have any provision for providing easy, automated 
restore functionalities to the backups, and this is only onto a single 
hdd and not on tape or a raid array or anything, but it is good enough 
for my backup system at home. :-)

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Re: FreeBSD server(s) to backup multi-platform systems remotely

2004-12-30 Thread Dave McCammon

--- Danny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:31:34 -0800 (PST), Dave
 McCammon
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I haven't caught all of this thread but I'll share
  what I do.
  I use rsync to sync file to a server for backup.
  6 FreeBSD and one Win2K which have been set up to
  rsync at different times in the morning hours.
 
 Any of this communcation/transfer encrypted or
 compressed? What type
 of backup would you compare your solution to --
 incremental,
 differential, full, etc.?
 

rsync in FreeBSD use ssh as default transport.
rsync in cygwin is made to use ssh with command line
option.

Type of backup---read the man page for rsync--
It basically sync's a copy of whatever you tell it to
to someplace that you tell it to. Whole file systems
or just one file. Then the next time rsync runs, it
copies the files that have changed since the last
rsync. This is my explanation...please read the man
page for more. Rsync is located in the ports.

 How many GB's you transfer?
Total transfered a night..I don't know. It depends on
what is on the machine. A few K on one machine, 70-90M
per file on another, etc... All machines are on one
LAN so no transfers over T1 yet.
All-in-All there is 13G that is stored on the backup
server from the 7 servers but not all 13G's are
transfered every night.

 
  On the Win2k machine, I have cygwin running that I
 use
  to rsync the data over every night. I think there
 is
  rsync for windows but I liked the command line
  capabilities that cygwin gives me.
  All use ssh in the rsync.
 [...]
 
 How do you restore files?
 
rsync them back or scp. I use dump on the tape backup
so if an archived file(s)is needed it is restored to a
different location then copied to the server where it
is needed.





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Re: FreeBSD server(s) to backup multi-platform systems remotely

2004-12-30 Thread Paul Mather
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:13:54 -0500, Danny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From a backup point of view, my goal...
On a nightly and automated basis - to take a snapshot of all new and
modified data from a FreeBSD server and Windows server. Then compress
and hopefully encrypt the data and send it to a remote FreeBSD server
through some form of efficient and secure file transfer. Uncompressed
the nightly data may total ~20MB.
From a restore point of view, my goal...
To be able to download the compressed backup(s) from the remote server
and restore the previous days data.
Hopefully this explains my situation.
 

You might want to check out the sysutils/duplicity port.  This is its 
description:

=
Duplicity backs directories by producing encrypted tar-format volumes and
uploading them to a remote or local file server. Because duplicity uses
librsync, the incremental archives are space efficient and only record the
parts of files that have changed since the last backup. Because duplicity
uses GnuPG to encrypt and/or sign these archives, they will be safe from
spying and/or modification by the server.
WWW: http://www.nongnu.org/duplicity/
=
I don't know if it works under Windows, but it's written in Python so it 
might.

I used duplicity for a while to back up a system to another that was 
backed up on which I had an account but had no administrative control.  
(Hence, encrypted backups were a nice feature.)

You might want to look at other ports such as sysutils/dar, 
archivers/rvm, sysutils/rsnapshot, etc. for ideas.

Cheers,
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Re: FreeBSD server(s) to backup multi-platform systems remotely

2004-12-30 Thread Drew Tomlinson
On 12/30/2004 8:13 AM Danny wrote:
On 30 Dec 2004 09:52:30 -0500, Lowell Gilbert
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

And there's actually a *third* possible goal, which is quick recovery
of accidentally deleted (or overwritten, etc.) user data.  UFS2
filesystem snapshots are a remarkably easy way to provide this.
   

This would be nice, but I am not going to get that granular at this
point. Thank you for the reminder, though.
 

And then there's RAID, which doesn't solve any of these problems, but
can help you get back up fast after losing a disk.
   

Hardware RAID, yes, for hardware failure. Got that covered.
 

Each of these goals has a different best solution, and in some cases
the solution even depends on the details of the environment.  Figure
out exactly what you need before deciding how to fill that need.
   


From a backup point of view, my goal...
On a nightly and automated basis - to take a snapshot of all new and
modified data from a FreeBSD server and Windows server. Then compress
and hopefully encrypt the data and send it to a remote FreeBSD server
through some form of efficient and secure file transfer. Uncompressed
the nightly data may total ~20MB.
From a restore point of view, my goal...
To be able to download the compressed backup(s) from the remote server
and restore the previous days data.
Hopefully this explains my situation.
Thank you,
...D
Have you looked at the Bacula port?  The compression can be handled by 
Bacula.  If you set up tunnels, that should handle the encryption part.  
Once you get used to the way Bacula works, it's fairly easy to use.  You 
have a central machine that is the director and initiates and 
coordinates all of the backup jobs.  You also have a storage daemon 
(which can be on the same machine as the director or another machine 
altogether) which stores all of the files.  You can also have multiple 
storage daemons if you wish.  And finally, you run a file daemon on 
every client you wish to backup.  There are clients available for many 
different OSes.  I use it to backup two FBSD boxes and 2 WinXP boxes to 
file volumes.

Take a look and you might find it will meet most of your needs.
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FreeBSD server(s) to backup multi-platform systems remotely

2004-12-29 Thread Danny
Good day to you all,

I would greatly appreciate any recommendations, related experiences,
and tips for the following goal:

On a monthly and manual basis - to take a snapshot of data from a
FreeBSD server and Windows server. Then compress and hopefully encrypt
the data and send it to a remote FreeBSD server through some form of
efficient and secure file transfer. Uncompressed a snapshot of all the
data may total over ~8GB.

On a nightly and automated basis - to take a snapshot of all new and
modified data from a FreeBSD server and Windows server. Then compress
and hopefully encrypt the data and send it to a remote FreeBSD server
through some form of efficient and secure file transfer. Uncompressed
the nightly data may total ~20MB.

Anytime (assuming the remote server IS available, of course)  - have
the ability to access the data and restore the data files to any
systems respective of what type it came from (Windows or BSD, etc).
And if a full restore was necessary, the data may total over 10GB.

Hardware and network-wise... here is what I was thinking:

FreeBSD  Windows Servers on the LAN
|
| LAN - firewalled
v
FreeBSD server where all the data would be collected and compressed 
v
|
| Internet - secure connection or transport of some type (SCP, SSH, VPN, etc.)
|
| Remote co-lo
v
FreeBSB server where all the data would be stored with at least RAID 1

Thank you!

...D
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Re: FreeBSD server(s) to backup multi-platform systems remotely

2004-12-29 Thread Jacob S
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:15:27 -0500
Danny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Good day to you all,
 
 I would greatly appreciate any recommendations, related experiences,
 and tips for the following goal:
 
 On a monthly and manual basis - to take a snapshot of data from a
 FreeBSD server and Windows server. Then compress and hopefully encrypt
 the data and send it to a remote FreeBSD server through some form of
 efficient and secure file transfer. Uncompressed a snapshot of all the
 data may total over ~8GB.
 
 On a nightly and automated basis - to take a snapshot of all new and
 modified data from a FreeBSD server and Windows server. Then compress
 and hopefully encrypt the data and send it to a remote FreeBSD server
 through some form of efficient and secure file transfer. Uncompressed
 the nightly data may total ~20MB.
 
 Anytime (assuming the remote server IS available, of course)  - have
 the ability to access the data and restore the data files to any
 systems respective of what type it came from (Windows or BSD, etc).
 And if a full restore was necessary, the data may total over 10GB.
 
 Hardware and network-wise... here is what I was thinking:
 
 FreeBSD  Windows Servers on the LAN
 |
 | LAN - firewalled
 v
 FreeBSD server where all the data would be collected and compressed 
 v
 |
 | Internet - secure connection or transport of some type (SCP, SSH,
 VPN, etc.)|
 | Remote co-lo
 v
 FreeBSB server where all the data would be stored with at least RAID 1

I'm no FreeBSD expert, so others may know of a better solution. That
said, I use BackupPC from http://backuppc.sf.net in Linux. It's not
platform specific though, and can back up anything from *BSD to Linux to
Windows to Mac OS X.

Sending the resulting tar ball to a remote server would need to be done
via a simple script file, but could be tied into the backup process
using the DumpPostUserCmd or ArchivePostUserCmd variables.

HTH,
Jacob
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Re: FreeBSD server(s) to backup multi-platform systems remotely

2004-12-29 Thread Peter A. Giessel
On 12/29/2004 10:15, Danny wrote:
 On a nightly and automated basis - to take a snapshot of all new and
 modified data from a FreeBSD server and Windows server.
I've been using rdiff-backup to mirror two arrays (locally), but
its actually more designed for what you want to do.  It works well
for incremental backups and it does run on Microsoft if you check the
FAQ (although I can't say that I've tried it on anything other than
FreeBSD).  You might want to take a look at it, it may be just what you
are looking for:
/usr/ports/sysutils/rdiff-backup/
http://www.nongnu.org/rdiff-backup/
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Re: FreeBSD server(s) to backup multi-platform systems remotely

2004-12-29 Thread pete wright
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:15:27 -0500, Danny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Good day to you all,
 
 I would greatly appreciate any recommendations, related experiences,
 and tips for the following goal:
 
 On a monthly and manual basis - to take a snapshot of data from a
 FreeBSD server and Windows server. Then compress and hopefully encrypt
 the data and send it to a remote FreeBSD server through some form of
 efficient and secure file transfer. Uncompressed a snapshot of all the
 data may total over ~8GB.
 
 On a nightly and automated basis - to take a snapshot of all new and
 modified data from a FreeBSD server and Windows server. Then compress
 and hopefully encrypt the data and send it to a remote FreeBSD server
 through some form of efficient and secure file transfer. Uncompressed
 the nightly data may total ~20MB.
 
 Anytime (assuming the remote server IS available, of course)  - have
 the ability to access the data and restore the data files to any
 systems respective of what type it came from (Windows or BSD, etc).
 And if a full restore was necessary, the data may total over 10GB.
 
 Hardware and network-wise... here is what I was thinking:
 
 FreeBSD  Windows Servers on the LAN
 |
 | LAN - firewalled
 v
 FreeBSD server where all the data would be collected and compressed
 v
 |
 | Internet - secure connection or transport of some type (SCP, SSH, VPN, etc.)
 |
 | Remote co-lo
 v
 FreeBSB server where all the data would be stored with at least RAID 1
 

here is a helpfull link that address's a similar issue:


http://www.freebsddiary.org/bacula.php

I have found bacula to be a very nice solution.  it is also reasonable
trivial to run bacula through a stunell.  here is the link to the
bacula site:

www.bacula.org

-pete


 Thank you!
 
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Re: FreeBSD server(s) to backup multi-platform systems remotely

2004-12-29 Thread Andrew P.
Danny wrote:
Good day to you all,
I would greatly appreciate any recommendations, related experiences,
and tips for the following goal:
On a monthly and manual basis - to take a snapshot of data from a
FreeBSD server and Windows server. Then compress and hopefully encrypt
the data and send it to a remote FreeBSD server through some form of
efficient and secure file transfer. Uncompressed a snapshot of all the
data may total over ~8GB.
On a nightly and automated basis - to take a snapshot of all new and
modified data from a FreeBSD server and Windows server. Then compress
and hopefully encrypt the data and send it to a remote FreeBSD server
through some form of efficient and secure file transfer. Uncompressed
the nightly data may total ~20MB.
Anytime (assuming the remote server IS available, of course)  - have
the ability to access the data and restore the data files to any
systems respective of what type it came from (Windows or BSD, etc).
And if a full restore was necessary, the data may total over 10GB.
Hardware and network-wise... here is what I was thinking:
FreeBSD  Windows Servers on the LAN
|
| LAN - firewalled
v
FreeBSD server where all the data would be collected and compressed 
v
|
| Internet - secure connection or transport of some type (SCP, SSH, VPN, etc.)
|
| Remote co-lo
v
FreeBSB server where all the data would be stored with at least RAID 1

I don't want to sound like an ad, but I've heard some experienced backup 
officers say that if you're gonna backup proprietary platforms (i.e. 
Windows) you'd best use proprietary backup software. And it'll pay for 
itself. Look at ARCserve, then google further.

Best wishes,
Andrew P.
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RE: FreeBSD server(s) to backup multi-platform systems remotely

2004-12-29 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


 -Original Message-
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 I don't want to sound like an ad, but I've heard some experienced backup 
 officers say that if you're gonna backup proprietary platforms (i.e. 
 Windows) you'd best use proprietary backup software.

I would agree with this if the goal is to be able to restore a busted
server.

If the goal of the backup is merely to archive DATA, then this isn't
true.  Of course, it's important to understand that archiving data and
backing up the server are two different things.  With a server backup
the goal is to create a restore set that allows you to come back
from a flat server with a minimum amount of effort and time.  With
a data archive there is no goal to create a restore set - instead
you want to get the data centralized and put to a medium that you
have a ghost of a chance of being able to read in 10 years. (and
that ain't Arcserve, my friends)

Ted
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