Re: GMail [and other free email] and these lists?
space on my ancient PII. wow, PII these days.. is anybody still running on 486? :D I am. :P As a small router, I does it's work just fine. :D I've got a 486 FreeBSD-based GNATbox firewall, temporarily in retirement until I get around to switching DSL ISPs, but my entry in the geriatric-hardware-still-in-use dept. is a Sun-3/50, with SunOS 4.1.1_U1, as UUCP-connected mailhost :) The Sun has a goofy MTU problem though -- anyone been around long enough to remember what magic is needed to get one of those to work properly when talking through a 10Base-T hub? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GMail [and other free email] and these lists?
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:36 AM Subject: Re: GMail [and other free email] and these lists? space on my ancient PII. wow, PII these days.. is anybody still running on 486? :D I am. :P As a small router, I does it's work just fine. :D I've got a 486 FreeBSD-based GNATbox firewall, temporarily in retirement until I get around to switching DSL ISPs, but my entry in the geriatric-hardware-still-in-use dept. is a Sun-3/50, with SunOS 4.1.1_U1, as UUCP-connected mailhost :) The Sun has a goofy MTU problem though -- anyone been around long enough to remember what magic is needed to get one of those to work properly when talking through a 10Base-T hub? I think the patch here is what you want: http://stuff.mit.edu/afs/sipb/project/doc/ikernel/ikernel.ps You will need postscript to print it out. you might look here too: http://www.sunmanagers.org/archives/1996/0771.html Under SunOS, I typically apply the multicast patches (available from ftp://parcftp.xerox.com/pub/net-research/ipmulti/), as well as support for the Berkeley Packet Filter (ftp://ftp.ee.lbl.gov/bpf.tar.Z). I'm alsocareful to turn on UDP checksums5, increase the size of tcpsendspace and tcprecvspace, and increase theTCP MSS (Maximum Segment Size) from the lame default of 512 to 14606. To accomplish this, I addthese lines to my config file7:# Various parameters in in_proto.c:options TCPSENDSPACE=\(1024*64\) # We liv e in a world of high bw*delay,options TCPRECVSPACE=\(1024*64\) # so lets try and deal.options TCPDEFAULTMSS=1460 # Tcp max. segment size.options UDPCKSUM=-1# Udp checksumsAnd then apply the following patch to /sys/netinet/in_proto.c:*** in_proto.c1996/02/21 04:33:251.2--- in_proto.c1996/02/21 05:01:391.35It used to be thought that UDP checksums weren't very important because packets wouldn't get corruptedvery often and they were expensive to compute. At this point computation isn't very expensive at all, and nothaving UDP checksums turned on can lead to corrupted data in surprising places, like the Domain Name Sys-tem (DNS). You really want them on.6Because SunOS doesn't support Path MTU Discovery (RFC1191), this may result in some packets beingfragmented by routers just before low-MTU links. IMHO, folks maintaining links with MTUs beneath 1500deserve to lose, so this result is just fine.7note. this whole section needs reformatting Page 5 -4-** 153,165 * Default TCP Maximum Segment Size - 512 to be conservative,* Higher for high-performance routers*/! int tcp_default_mss = 512;/** Default TCP buffer sizes (in bytes)*/! int tcp_sendspace = 1024*4;! int tcp_recvspace = 1024*4;/** size of keep alive probes.--- 153,174 * Default TCP Maximum Segment Size - 512 to be conservative,* Higher for high-performance routers*/! #ifndef TCPDEFAULTMSS! #define TCPDEFAULTMSS 512! #endif! int tcp_default_mss = TCPDEFAULTMSS;/** Default TCP buffer sizes (in bytes)*/! #ifndef TCPSENDSPACE! #define TCPSENDSPACE (1024*4)! #endif! #ifndef TCPRECVSPACE! #define TCPRECVSPACE (1024*4)! #endif! int tcp_sendspace = TCPSENDSPACE;! int tcp_recvspace = TCPRECVSPACE;/** size of keep alive probes. Page 6 -5-** 170,176 int tcp_keepidle = TCPTV_KEEP_IDLE;/* for Keep-alives */int tcp_keepintvl = TCPTV_KEEPINTVL;! int udp_cksum = 0;/* turn on to check generate udp checksums */int udp_ttl = 60; /* default time to live for UDPs *//*--- 179,188 int tcp_keepidle = TCPTV_KEEP_IDLE;/* for Keep-alives */int tcp_keepintvl = TCPTV_KEEPINTVL;! #ifndef UDPCKSUM! #define UDPCKSUM 0! #endif! int udp_cksum = UDPCKSUM; /* turn on to check generate udp checksums */int udp_ttl = 60; /* default time to live for UDPs *//*5. Interactively debugging a kernelkadb, kgdb, ddb, symmon5.1. Using kadbkadb is the Sun kernel debugger. It may be booted with boot kadb at which point it the boot loaderloads the kernel debugger, and the kernel debugger then loads the SunOS or Solaris kernel.kadb accepts standard adb commands, including $c to continue (resume exection of the OS) and $qto quit (exit to the ROM monitor).6. Configuring kernel crash dumps7. Forcing a kernel crash dumpOn an OpenBOOT SPARC:0 set-pcgo8. Debugging a kernel crash dump8.1. Using adb or dbx8.2. Using crash9. Patching the kernel9.1. Patching variables9.2. Patching code Page 7 -6-9.2.1. Patching the running kernelDungeon would ask you, Do you wish me to try to patch you?, and if you said No, it wouldreport:What? You don't trust me? Why, only last week I patched a runningRSX system and it survived for over thirty seconds. Oh, well.10. AcknowledgementsWithout
Re: GMail [and other free email] and these lists?
On 13/02/07, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Gerard Seibert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: User Questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 2:16 PM Subject: Re: GMail [and other free email] and these lists? On Monday February 12, 2007 at 04:45:44 (PM) Jeff Rollin wrote: In what way does Gmail suck? 1) No White Listing 2) No configurable SPAM Filtering 3) Bcc doesn't work 4) 500 message a day limit. 5) No PGP or S/MIME support 6) No able to 'Forward as Attachment' 7) Doesn't handle 'sig delimiter' 8) No ability to create or sort to folders. 9) No IMAP support 10. Is routinely blacklisted by SORBS, among other blacklisting services. The list just goes on and on. Get on the GMail discussion list and see what some of it's users have to say about it. It is good enough for someone who's greatest need is writing to Grandma, but that is about it. Hey, gmail rocks, I use it as a test mail account all of the time. Not for production of course, but for sending test messages there's nothing wrong with it. ;-) Could anyone speculate as to why a user on gmail would have the nerve to bitch about the service? They are getting what they paid for, after all! ;-) I will agree that some of these features (or lack of them) are annoying, however Gmail does have the advantage of being accessible from wherever I am, and being a whole heck of a lot faster than my ISP's Netmail service, for example. I haven't yet found the perfect email service/client, though. Maybe I should post here when I do! Jeff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 2/14/07, Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't yet found the perfect email service/client, though. Maybe I should post here when I do! A personal dedicated box with a dozen of webmail clients set up, accessible via IMAPv4 + mutt or whatever when you are tired of web?.. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GMail [and other free email] and these lists?
On 14/02/07, Andrew Pantyukhin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/14/07, Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't yet found the perfect email service/client, though. Maybe I should post here when I do! A personal dedicated box with a dozen of webmail clients set up, accessible via IMAPv4 + mutt or whatever when you are tired of web?.. Been there, done that I'd say... But it's a pain to do system administration all the day. Years ago this was fun, but nowadays you have to waste your time with staying up to date with firewall configurations, bugs and their exploits. New ways for spammers to get their unwanted mails into my inbox so I need to install new products, applying patches... I'm a (Solaris) Sysadmin responsible for several hundred boxes, so when I come home i want to have some fun with my private machines. Fighting another round in the war for security in the Internet isn't fun for me. Yes, I know, in this case I have to trust that the companies i sign up with do their job, but I hope that they have departments that dedicate their time to their tasks. I consider gmail to be one of the best free mail providers on this planet. I get more then I paid for. That is to say, I can store nearly 3GB of data on their servers, leaving enough room for even the biggest mails - and a nice mailing list archive. :-D Most important is that they don't append commercials to sent mail. And the ads displayed while in the inbox aren't that noticable. I had accounts with mail providers such as gmx.net, yahoo, web.de (a german provider who has won over 40 prices for his freemail service -- don't ask me why). I've seen freemail web sites that were crowded with ads, or account being limited to 500 mails in total. Ridiculus limits for attachment sizes. The list goes on and on. What I really like with google is the label-thing. I don't like mails being sorted in folders, so it suits me perfectly. On the other side it's what google can do with my data that makes me nervous. So nothing is perfect, but for me gmail is the service that comes closest to it. Regards Christian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 2/14/07, Christian Walther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14/02/07, Andrew Pantyukhin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/14/07, Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't yet found the perfect email service/client, though. Maybe I should post here when I do! A personal dedicated box with a dozen of webmail clients set up, accessible via IMAPv4 + mutt or whatever when you are tired of web?.. Been there, done that I'd say... But it's a pain to do system administration all the day. Years ago this was fun, but nowadays you have to waste your time with staying up to date with firewall configurations, bugs and their exploits. New ways for spammers to get their unwanted mails into my inbox so I need to install new products, applying patches... I'm a (Solaris) Sysadmin responsible for several hundred boxes, so when I come home i want to have some fun with my private machines. Fighting another round in the war for security in the Internet isn't fun for me. Yes, I know, in this case I have to trust that the companies i sign up with do their job, but I hope that they have departments that dedicate their time to their tasks. I consider gmail to be one of the best free mail providers on this planet. I get more then I paid for. That is to say, I can store nearly 3GB of data on their servers, leaving enough room for even the biggest mails - and a nice mailing list archive. :-D I agree completely.I rolled a script that emails my bzipped log files to gmail too, so I can rotate them out sooner and save that much more space on my ancient PII. Most important is that they don't append commercials to sent mail. And the ads displayed while in the inbox aren't that noticable. I had accounts with mail providers such as gmx.net, yahoo, web.de (a german provider who has won over 40 prices for his freemail service -- don't ask me why). I've seen freemail web sites that were crowded with ads, or account being limited to 500 mails in total. Ridiculus limits for attachment sizes. The list goes on and on. What I really like with google is the label-thing. I don't like mails being sorted in folders, so it suits me perfectly. On the other side it's what google can do with my data that makes me nervous. So nothing is perfect, but for me gmail is the service that comes closest to it. Regards Christian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- I'm nerdy in the extreme and whiter than sour cream ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 2/14/07, Andy Greenwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree completely.I rolled a script that emails my bzipped log files to gmail too, so I can rotate them out sooner and save that much more space on my ancient PII. wow, PII these days.. is anybody still running on 486? :D but hey, gmail rocks. for sure.. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 2/14/07, Mike Fern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/14/07, Andy Greenwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree completely.I rolled a script that emails my bzipped log files to gmail too, so I can rotate them out sooner and save that much more space on my ancient PII. wow, PII these days.. is anybody still running on 486? :D I am. :P As a small router, I does it's work just fine. :D -- Better to reign in hell, than to serve in heaven. - John Milton, Paradise Lost ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GMail [and other free email] and these lists?
On 2/13/07, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, gmail rocks, I use it as a test mail account all of the time. Not for production of course, but for sending test messages there's nothing wrong with it. ;-) Could anyone speculate as to why a user on gmail would have the nerve to bitch about the service? They are getting what they paid for, after all! ;-) Do you see those not-exactly-solicited text boxes on the right? I didn't pay for that; did you? :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GMail [and other free email] and these lists?
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 10:10:27PM -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: On Monday February 12, 2007 at 04:45:44 (PM) Jeff Rollin wrote: In what way does Gmail suck? 1) No White Listing 2) No configurable SPAM Filtering 3) Bcc doesn't work 4) 500 message a day limit. 5) No PGP or S/MIME support 6) No able to 'Forward as Attachment' 7) Doesn't handle 'sig delimiter' 8) No ability to create or sort to folders. 9) No IMAP support 10. Is routinely blacklisted by SORBS, among other blacklisting services. The list just goes on and on. Get on the GMail discussion list and see what some of it's users have to say about it. It is good enough for someone who's greatest need is writing to Grandma, but that is about it. Hey, gmail rocks, I use it as a test mail account all of the time. Not for production of course, but for sending test messages there's nothing wrong with it. ;-) Could anyone speculate as to why a user on gmail would have the nerve to bitch about the service? They are getting what they paid for, after all! ;-) I'd gladly pay a reasonable registration fee to try them out (should they ever add the option to authenticate via credit card to register). If I don't like it then, I'll stick with my own server. For now, and it's just me, Gmail sucks from a distance... ;-) Ted -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Does this list automatically reject subscribers free email addresses? I would like to move over to Gmail to avoid all the spam coming in from the years of using this address, but I am not getting any response from the subscription request. Thanks, Tom Veldhouse ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 2/12/07, Thomas T. Veldhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this list automatically reject subscribers free email addresses? I would like to move over to Gmail to avoid all the spam coming in from the years of using this address, but I am not getting any response from the subscription request. Thanks, Tom Veldhouse works fine with gmail for me. -- The biggest problem with communication is the illusion that it has occurred. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: Does this list automatically reject subscribers free email addresses? I would like to move over to Gmail to avoid all the spam coming in from the years of using this address, but I am not getting any response from the subscription request. Nevermind ... I am way to impatient. The confirmation eventually came through. Tom Veldhouse ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 2/12/07, Thomas T. Veldhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: Does this list automatically reject subscribers free email addresses? I would like to move over to Gmail to avoid all the spam coming in from the years of using this address, but I am not getting any response from the subscription request. Nevermind ... I am way to impatient. The confirmation eventually came through. So the question is, does gmail reject free mailing-list confirmations? ;) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GMail [and other free email] and these lists?
On Monday February 12, 2007 at 02:50:24 (PM) Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: Does this list automatically reject subscribers free email addresses? I would like to move over to Gmail to avoid all the spam coming in from the years of using this address, but I am not getting any response from the subscription request. Besides the fact that GMail sucks is the added benefit that it will not relay messages that you send to a mailing list back to you. That is not a problem if you do not want to receive a copy of your posting. However, it would be nice if Google left that decision up to you and not their discretion. -- Gerard I choose to ignore, of course, the fact that self-Googling is perhaps the most narcissistic thing a person can do that doesn't involve actually humping a mirror. Dan Kois ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-- Forwarded message -- From: Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 12-Feb-2007 20:04 Subject: Re: GMail [and other free email] and these lists? To: Thomas T. Veldhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 12/02/07, Thomas T. Veldhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this list automatically reject subscribers free email addresses? I would like to move over to Gmail to avoid all the spam coming in from the years of using this address, but I am not getting any response from the subscription request. Thanks, Tom Veldhouse ___ Tom, I don't see why this should be a problem - I myself am subscribed via a Gmail address. Have you checked whether your spam folder contains any messages from the list Jeff -- Now, did you hear the news today? They say the danger's gone away But I can hear the marching feet Moving into the street Adapted from Genesis, Land of Confusion http://latedeveloper.org.uk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GMail [and other free email] and these lists?
On 12/02/07, Gerard Seibert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday February 12, 2007 at 02:50:24 (PM) Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: Does this list automatically reject subscribers free email addresses? I would like to move over to Gmail to avoid all the spam coming in from the years of using this address, but I am not getting any response from the subscription request. Besides the fact that GMail sucks is the added benefit that it will not relay messages that you send to a mailing list back to you. That is not a problem if you do not want to receive a copy of your posting. However, it would be nice if Google left that decision up to you and not their discretion. -- Gerard In what way does Gmail suck? Jeff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Monday February 12, 2007 at 04:45:44 (PM) Jeff Rollin wrote: In what way does Gmail suck? 1) No White Listing 2) No configurable SPAM Filtering 3) Bcc doesn't work 4) 500 message a day limit. 5) No PGP or S/MIME support 6) No able to 'Forward as Attachment' 7) Doesn't handle 'sig delimiter' 8) No ability to create or sort to folders. 9) No IMAP support 10. Is routinely blacklisted by SORBS, among other blacklisting services. The list just goes on and on. Get on the GMail discussion list and see what some of it's users have to say about it. It is good enough for someone who's greatest need is writing to Grandma, but that is about it. -- Gerard The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world he didn't exist. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GMail [and other free email] and these lists?
On 2/12/07, Gerard Seibert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday February 12, 2007 at 04:45:44 (PM) Jeff Rollin wrote: In what way does Gmail suck? 1) No White Listing 2) No configurable SPAM Filtering 3) Bcc doesn't work 4) 500 message a day limit. 5) No PGP or S/MIME support 6) No able to 'Forward as Attachment' 7) Doesn't handle 'sig delimiter' 8) No ability to create or sort to folders. 9) No IMAP support 10. Is routinely blacklisted by SORBS, among other blacklisting services. The list just goes on and on. Get on the GMail discussion list and see what some of it's users have to say about it. It is good enough for someone who's greatest need is writing to Grandma, but that is about it. -- Gerard The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world he didn't exist. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --I'm not 'renting' my OS-- and top posts by default ;-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GMail [and other free email] and these lists?
- Original Message - From: Gerard Seibert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: User Questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 2:16 PM Subject: Re: GMail [and other free email] and these lists? On Monday February 12, 2007 at 04:45:44 (PM) Jeff Rollin wrote: In what way does Gmail suck? 1) No White Listing 2) No configurable SPAM Filtering 3) Bcc doesn't work 4) 500 message a day limit. 5) No PGP or S/MIME support 6) No able to 'Forward as Attachment' 7) Doesn't handle 'sig delimiter' 8) No ability to create or sort to folders. 9) No IMAP support 10. Is routinely blacklisted by SORBS, among other blacklisting services. The list just goes on and on. Get on the GMail discussion list and see what some of it's users have to say about it. It is good enough for someone who's greatest need is writing to Grandma, but that is about it. Hey, gmail rocks, I use it as a test mail account all of the time. Not for production of course, but for sending test messages there's nothing wrong with it. ;-) Could anyone speculate as to why a user on gmail would have the nerve to bitch about the service? They are getting what they paid for, after all! ;-) Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
