Needs GSOC project idea guide.

[Tiwari Punit]

Hello,
I, Punit Tiwari, pursing final year BE(IT) student.

Final year project "Game Engine":
Project Description:

 Platform

Java

Application Framework

Javafx 2.0

Database

DB2

Game Type

2D RPG Game

User

Any (knows to use computer)

Prsently, this game engine build 2d games like mario, countra, for the user
who doesn't knows programming language.

Please, suggest is this project can be given for GSOC, if not plz suggest
me some project idea.

Thank you,
Punit Tiwari
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Guide & Help

[Majid Abedini Maghanaki]

Hello
 I used to manage resources such as file management, process
management, memory management, deadlock, and Free BSD operating
systems synchronization on my research I will be happy if can help me
and resources to provide you with the topic.

Thanks a lot.
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RE: Anti virus, anti spam step guide.

[Jorge Biquez]

Hello.

Thanks a lot for the advice.

I have tried with spamassasin but for some reason can not having work 
correctly with sendmail. I am reading in detail documentation. I know 
this sounds like something stupid but I am starting my third try 
starting from zero, for some reason everything install correcly and 
at the end have a non receiving email installation (have checked port 
on inetd, under sendmail configuration, nothing). What I do not 
get  is what components do I need. Just spamassasin or spamd only , 
anyway, learning and having fun with it until I can know how to do 
it. Otherwise instead of help that organization will be giving more 
problems besides the ones they have.


I will try openwebmail.

Thanks a lot.

At 01:54 a.m. 08/08/2010, Marwan Sultan wrote:


Hi..

For WebMail that has everything you want:
www.opebwebmail.org

For pop3 :
qpopper

For Spam:
SpamAssassin

Default sendmail is good.


all the above is available from ports, I would recommend a manual 
install for openwebmail instead of ports

so you can follow and know how things work.

You can install spamassassin from ports, and follow the instructions.

-Marwan Sultan


> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:19:19 -0500
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> From: jbiq...@icsmx.com
> Subject: Anti virus, anti spam step guide.
>
> Hello all.
>
> I am looking documentation for implementing, the easiest way anti
> virus and anti spam configuration for non tech users and out of the
> box after installing FreeBSD (actually using 7.3 Release).
> I have been working with it for some years but I am not an expert at
> all. I need to help some non-profit organizations that received some
> 2 year old computers as donation and they will use it for email
> services. They have not tech people, so the idea is that I can help
> them to implement that solution the easiest way so maybe one of the
> teacher there can try to replicate the solution.
>
> UNtil now I always have used Sendmail as it is installed, no filters
> besided the spamcop ones but that was enough for my personal use.
> I know some of you will tell that change to postfix or another MTA
> and that instead using POP3 that I have to use another tool (courier,
> fetchail, imap (any) etc etc). I ca do it for sur and I do not want
> to star a war , again, under what MTA is the best. I just would like
> to have the best and easiest solution for them. Once installed they
> only will be creating new accounts, changing paswords, deleting
> accounts. Nothing else. Ah, another thing if possible is to implement
> a webmail but that will be an extra gem if possible.
>
> Any resources? Any suggestions based in experience? (I have one
> machine of them that I will use for testing the solution).
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Jorge Biquez
>
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RE: Anti virus, anti spam step guide.

[Marwan Sultan]

Its www.openwebmail.org  NOT opewebmail - typo :)
If you need any help setting things up for your non-profit organization, let me 
know.

> 
> 
> Hi..
>  
> For WebMail that has everything you want:
> www.opebwebmail.org
>  
> For pop3 :
> qpopper
>  
> For Spam:
> SpamAssassin
>  
> Default sendmail is good.
>  
>  
> all the above is available from ports, I would recommend a manual install for 
> openwebmail instead of ports
> so you can follow and know how things work.
>  
> You can install spamassassin from ports, and follow the instructions.
>  
> -Marwan Sultan
> 
>  
> > Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:19:19 -0500
> > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> > From: jbiq...@icsmx.com
> > Subject: Anti virus, anti spam step guide.
> > 
> > Hello all.
> > 
> > I am looking documentation for implementing, the easiest way anti 
> > virus and anti spam configuration for non tech users and out of the 
> > box after installing FreeBSD (actually using 7.3 Release).
> > I have been working with it for some years but I am not an expert at 
> > all. I need to help some non-profit organizations that received some 
> > 2 year old computers as donation and they will use it for email 
> > services. They have not tech people, so the idea is that I can help 
> > them to implement that solution the easiest way so maybe one of the 
> > teacher there can try to replicate the solution.
> > 
> > UNtil now I always have used Sendmail as it is installed, no filters 
> > besided the spamcop ones but that was enough for my personal use.
> > I know some of you will tell that change to postfix or another MTA 
> > and that instead using POP3 that I have to use another tool (courier, 
> > fetchail, imap (any) etc etc). I ca do it for sur and I do not want 
> > to star a war , again, under what MTA is the best. I just would like 
> > to have the best and easiest solution for them. Once installed they 
> > only will be creating new accounts, changing paswords, deleting 
> > accounts. Nothing else. Ah, another thing if possible is to implement 
> > a webmail but that will be an extra gem if possible.
> > 
> > Any resources? Any suggestions based in experience? (I have one 
> > machine of them that I will use for testing the solution).
> > 
> > Thanks in advance
> > 
> > Jorge Biquez
> > 
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RE: Anti virus, anti spam step guide.

[Marwan Sultan]

Hi..
 
For WebMail that has everything you want:
www.opebwebmail.org
 
For pop3 :
qpopper
 
For Spam:
SpamAssassin
 
Default sendmail is good.
 
 
all the above is available from ports, I would recommend a manual install for 
openwebmail instead of ports
so you can follow and know how things work.
 
You can install spamassassin from ports, and follow the instructions.
 
-Marwan Sultan

 
> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:19:19 -0500
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> From: jbiq...@icsmx.com
> Subject: Anti virus, anti spam step guide.
> 
> Hello all.
> 
> I am looking documentation for implementing, the easiest way anti 
> virus and anti spam configuration for non tech users and out of the 
> box after installing FreeBSD (actually using 7.3 Release).
> I have been working with it for some years but I am not an expert at 
> all. I need to help some non-profit organizations that received some 
> 2 year old computers as donation and they will use it for email 
> services. They have not tech people, so the idea is that I can help 
> them to implement that solution the easiest way so maybe one of the 
> teacher there can try to replicate the solution.
> 
> UNtil now I always have used Sendmail as it is installed, no filters 
> besided the spamcop ones but that was enough for my personal use.
> I know some of you will tell that change to postfix or another MTA 
> and that instead using POP3 that I have to use another tool (courier, 
> fetchail, imap (any) etc etc). I ca do it for sur and I do not want 
> to star a war , again, under what MTA is the best. I just would like 
> to have the best and easiest solution for them. Once installed they 
> only will be creating new accounts, changing paswords, deleting 
> accounts. Nothing else. Ah, another thing if possible is to implement 
> a webmail but that will be an extra gem if possible.
> 
> Any resources? Any suggestions based in experience? (I have one 
> machine of them that I will use for testing the solution).
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Jorge Biquez
> 
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Re: Anti virus, anti spam step guide.

[Depo Catcher]

Anti-virus, the only free one I know about is calm av.  Should work on 
FreeBSD: http://www.clamav.net/lang/en/ and /usr/ports/security/clamav


spamd is a black/white list spam filter.  I also heard SpamAssassin is 
good, but can't find it in ports.


For mail I like Courier-imap.  It's imap, has ssl and has lots of ways 
to auth (I just auth with pamd which is a normal system account).

qmail is also popular, though I don't have much experience with it.
sendmail/pop3 also works.

squirrel mail is a popular webmail program: /usr/ports/mail/squirrelmail
Also, I've never used it; but webmin might be good if you want them to 
maintain use accounts themselves: /usr/ports/sysutils/webmin


On 8/4/2010 9:19 AM, Jorge Biquez wrote:

Hello all.

I am looking documentation for implementing, the easiest way anti 
virus and anti spam configuration for non tech users and out of the 
box after installing FreeBSD (actually using 7.3 Release).
I have been working with it for some years but I am not an expert at 
all. I need to help some non-profit organizations that received some 2 
year old computers as donation and they will use it for email 
services. They have not tech people, so the idea is that I can help 
them to implement that solution the easiest way so maybe one of the 
teacher there can try to replicate the solution.


UNtil now I always have used Sendmail as it is installed, no filters 
besided the spamcop ones but that was enough for my personal use.
I know some of you will tell that change to postfix or another MTA and 
that instead using POP3 that I have to use another tool (courier, 
fetchail, imap (any) etc etc). I ca do it for sur and I do not want to 
star a war , again, under what MTA is the best. I just would like to 
have the best and easiest solution for them. Once installed they only 
will be creating new accounts, changing paswords, deleting accounts. 
Nothing else. Ah, another thing if possible is to implement a webmail 
but that will be an extra gem if possible.


Any resources? Any suggestions based in experience? (I have one 
machine of them that I will use for testing the solution).


Thanks in advance

Jorge Biquez

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Re: Anti virus, anti spam step guide.

[David Kelly]

On Aug 4, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Jorge Biquez wrote:

> Hello all.
> 
> I am looking documentation for implementing, the easiest way anti virus and 
> anti spam configuration for non tech users and out of the box after 
> installing FreeBSD (actually using 7.3 Release).

[snip]

Do not edit a reply to another thread into something else. This is not the same 
thing as a new email.

Address a new email to the list with your new thread.

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Anti virus, anti spam step guide.

[Jorge Biquez]

Hello all.

I am looking documentation for implementing, the easiest way anti 
virus and anti spam configuration for non tech users and out of the 
box after installing FreeBSD (actually using 7.3 Release).
I have been working with it for some years but I am not an expert at 
all. I need to help some non-profit organizations that received some 
2 year old computers as donation and they will use it for email 
services. They have not tech people, so the idea is that I can help 
them to implement that solution the easiest way so maybe one of the 
teacher there can try to replicate the solution.


UNtil now I always have used Sendmail as it is installed, no filters 
besided the spamcop ones but that was enough for my personal use.
I know some of you will tell that change to postfix or another MTA 
and that instead using POP3 that I have to use another tool (courier, 
fetchail, imap (any) etc etc). I ca do it for sur and I do not want 
to star a war , again, under what MTA is the best. I just would like 
to have the best and easiest solution for them. Once installed they 
only will be creating new accounts, changing paswords, deleting 
accounts. Nothing else. Ah, another thing if possible is to implement 
a webmail but that will be an extra gem if possible.


Any resources? Any suggestions based in experience? (I have one 
machine of them that I will use for testing the solution).


Thanks in advance

Jorge Biquez

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Install guide (Was: Re: Urgent help needed : portmaster dies on py-cairo)

[Mel Flynn]

On Wednesday 08 July 2009 19:45:05 Manish Jain wrote:

> ==
> Part-1)Immediately after a fresh FreeBSD-7.2#RELEASE install :
>
> I assume you will at some stage or the other install a linux port, eg
> acroread8 or acroread9, linux-ymessenger, etc. Incidentally, unless you
> have specific needs, prefer acroread8 over acroread9.

Adding to assumptions: one wants to use gnome as desktop.

> All following steps are to be executed as root.
>
> a)Make sure /etc/rc.conf has at least the following 5 lines.
> dbus_enable="YES"
> hald_enable="YES"
> polkitd_enable="YES"
> gnome_enable="YES"
> linux_enable="YES"
>
> b)Make sure /boot/loader.conf has at least the following 3 lines.
> kern.maxdsiz="734003200"

This is a) not needed and b) doesn't do anything useful, since the default 
will still be the compiled default, unless you also set kern.defdsiz. The only 
thing this does is allow the datasize limit to be raised to 700M, using 
limits(1), but since the default still is 512M an unaware application will 
still fail malloc(3) if allocating beyond 512M.

> linprocfs_load="YES"
> linsysfs_load="YES"

Which ports you mention require linsysfs?

> c)Make sure /etc/fstab has at least the following 3 lines.
> proc/proc   procfs
> rw00
> linproc /usr/compat/linux/proclinprocfsrw00
> linsys   /usr/compat/linux/sys  linsysfs  rw0
>  0

Better to use /compat/linux/*. While by default it resides on /usr, it is 
convenient to be able to change the symlink, for example to test a new 
linux_base port without wiping the current one or to free up space on the /usr 
partition.

> d)Upgrage from python25 to python26 along with all dependent ports
> as follows :
>
> rm -rf /usr/ports 2>/dev/null

Or you can simply not install the ports distribution, since this is the first 
thing you do. I also don't understand why you install a boatload of packages 
from CD/DVD only to complicate things by upgrading by my estimate at least 
70%. Why not just portsnap and build the leafs?

> mkdir -p /usr/ports/distfiles
> portsnap fetch extract
> cd  /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portupgrade
> make deinstall  2>/dev/null
> make install clean
> portupgrade -C -r -o  lang/python26  lang/python25
> portupgrade -rfx python26 python26
> pkgdb -F
>
> Before doing anything further, reboot.

This needs a reason. I don't know any.

> Immediately after reboot, execute
> Part-2.
>
>
> Part-2) Steps to be followed whenever a significant number new
> ports/patches are available and you need to ensure your ports as well as
> your ports directory are up to date :
>
> thisdate=`date "+%Y-%m-%n"`
I assume that's %d, since %n is a newline.

> rm  /root/portupgrade-${thisdate}.log 2>/dev/null
> portsnap fetch update
> portupgrade -ace -uRl  /root/portupgrade-${thisdate}.log
> pkgdb -F
>
> Note : If you plan to install any linux ports, you should have said yes
> to 'Linux binary compatibility' at the time you installed FreeBSD. If
> you didn't, the very first port you need to build is
> emulators/linux_base-fc4

If you use net/skype you will need linux_base-fc6, so again using sysinstall 
can be a problem.

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Looking for a guide to extend|adapting the socket framework for NFCIP-1.

[zDen]

Hi,

I'm exploring the way to extend or adapt the socket programming framework
for NFC devices using C programming. (for future-porting compatible)

Using the bluetooth framework as basic reference, I've some questions and
need helps regarding the adaption.

1) As the NFC device is attached to the USB or UART port, how and where in
the source code can I change the output of the byte-stream packet to the
proper physical port? i.e where is the part of the source code that is
physical device dependent when doing the I/O calls?

2) As the protocol family (PF_xx) and address family (AF_xx) of NFC is not
define in the socket library, how can I define them and let the default
socket() call return a socket with the customized structure? I can see that
I may need to use SOCK_RAW as the basic socket framework or any others
recommendation?

Any comments and recommendations for the above issue is gladly appreciated.
  
Thanks for help.
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Start of a FreeBSD Setup Guide for AFS (Server and Client)

[Marc G. Fournier]

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Is a *very* basic start ... right now, its just a pointer to Arla (client) and
OpenAFS (server) ports for FreeBSD created by Alex Koss, and a link to some
NetBSD specific setup instructions.  I'm going to work on FreeBSD specific
ones, using that as a base, that will be on the Wiki itself ...

If anyone else does start working through the NetBSD instructions and wants to
submit stuff, just email me and I'll gladly add it .. kerberos, at least, is
something that I've *never* setup, so I'm starting from complete ground zero on
this ..

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Installing FreeBSD 6.2 on 9 TB RAID 6 disk - Guide to GPT?

[James Riendeau]

Is there a guide out there for installing on very large disks with  
gpt?  I can't seem to get it to work from what little I can glean  
from the archives and the man page.  I'm trying to install version  
6.2 on a 9 TB RAID 6 disk, and I can't get to a point where I have  
mountable partitions.  I keep seeing a message about an invalid  
superblock whenever I try to mount the new partitions.  I'm sure it's  
something simple I'm missing.


Thanks,

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MMI Computer Support Technician
University of Wisconsin-Madison



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Anyone know of a quick and dirty setup guide for Dell's DRAC?

[pauls]

I'm assuming I can get it working using Linux emulation, but I've never 
dealt with DRAC cards before, so I'm a bit lost.  Really want to get it 
working though.


This is a Dell 1950 with DRAC 5.  I used Ctrl E to get into setup and hard 
coded an IP and mask, but I can't ping the card.  Does the software have 
to be installed before the card will respond to pings?


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The University of Texas at Dallas
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Re: Needing a guide/tutorial please

[Derrick Edwards]

On Friday 18 August 2006 05:59, Helge Preuss wrote:
> >  Looking for a guide online somewhere that will walk me through
> > setting up a mail server with the following items on it.
> >
> > SpamAssassin
> > Postfix (pop3 and smtp setup)
> > MySQL (for database driven mail user administration)
> > MyPHPAdmin (to visually admin the database)
> > Squirrelmail (for webmail)
> > Apache (for squirrelmail)
> > Dovecot Imap (for squirrelmail)
> > Postfix Admin <- this is the reason for the need to have a mysql driven
> > mail user database.  It's apparently required for this to work.  Plus
> > database driven user management tends to be easier.  Of course, if you
> > know
> > of a better way to graphically admin mail users without using a database,
> > I'm all ears.  :)
> > And lastly, some kind of web based server admin page that's similar to
> > webmin, but more secure.
>
> Here is a guide for Gentoo Linux that addresses most, if not all of your
> requirements:
> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/virt-mail-howto.xml
>
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Hi, 
I dont think what you propose is over the top at all. I have all these 
elements running now. Using (http://www.postfix.org/docs.html), you can 
pretty much get everything running from there. In addition to the programs 
you already stated I would recommend using amavisd-new 
(http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd). With that you get SpamAssassin and 
Primary/Secondary antivirus protection. Also, make sure you use TLS to secure 
your webmail traffic. If you have any questions let me know. Really, it is 
quite easy to get this stuff and running. I never used webmin, but apache 
maintenace should be minimal.
r/
Derrick
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Re: Needing a guide/tutorial please

[Ivan Levchenko]

This might be overkill, but take a look at these things. i'm sure that
you can find what you need there:

http://www.tnpi.biz/internet/mail/toaster.shtml
http://www.screamingelectron.org/forum/printthread.php?t=725

On 8/18/06, Helge Preuss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Looking for a guide online somewhere that will walk me through
> setting up a mail server with the following items on it.
>
> SpamAssassin
> Postfix (pop3 and smtp setup)
> MySQL (for database driven mail user administration)
> MyPHPAdmin (to visually admin the database)
> Squirrelmail (for webmail)
> Apache (for squirrelmail)
> Dovecot Imap (for squirrelmail)
> Postfix Admin <- this is the reason for the need to have a mysql driven
> mail user database.  It's apparently required for this to work.  Plus
> database driven user management tends to be easier.  Of course, if you
> know
> of a better way to graphically admin mail users without using a database,
> I'm all ears.  :)
> And lastly, some kind of web based server admin page that's similar to
> webmin, but more secure.


Here is a guide for Gentoo Linux that addresses most, if not all of your
requirements:
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/virt-mail-howto.xml

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Re: Needing a guide/tutorial please

[Helge Preuss]

>  Looking for a guide online somewhere that will walk me through
> setting up a mail server with the following items on it.
>
> SpamAssassin
> Postfix (pop3 and smtp setup)
> MySQL (for database driven mail user administration)
> MyPHPAdmin (to visually admin the database)
> Squirrelmail (for webmail)
> Apache (for squirrelmail)
> Dovecot Imap (for squirrelmail)
> Postfix Admin <- this is the reason for the need to have a mysql driven
> mail user database.  It's apparently required for this to work.  Plus
> database driven user management tends to be easier.  Of course, if you
> know
> of a better way to graphically admin mail users without using a database,
> I'm all ears.  :)
> And lastly, some kind of web based server admin page that's similar to
> webmin, but more secure.


Here is a guide for Gentoo Linux that addresses most, if not all of your
requirements:
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/virt-mail-howto.xml

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Re: Needing a guide/tutorial please

[bsd]

>  Looking for a guide online somewhere that will walk me through
> setting up a mail server with the following items on it.
>
> SpamAssassin
> Postfix (pop3 and smtp setup)
> MySQL (for database driven mail user administration)
> MyPHPAdmin (to visually admin the database)
> Squirrelmail (for webmail)
> Apache (for squirrelmail)
> Dovecot Imap (for squirrelmail)
> Postfix Admin <- this is the reason for the need to have a mysql driven
> mail user database.  It's apparently required for this to work.  Plus
> database driven user management tends to be easier.  Of course, if you
> know
> of a better way to graphically admin mail users without using a database,
> I'm all ears.  :)
> And lastly, some kind of web based server admin page that's similar to
> webmin, but more secure.
>
>  I want to setup a mail server with all these elements, have
> postfix, squirrelmail and dovecot be database driven and somehow create a
> mailbox tree for the webmail users for saved, spam, sent and trashcan
> folders.  Also, lastly, which format for mail is better?  Maildir or
> Mbox?  I'm partial to Mbox, but I've heard some others say Maildir is
> better.  The server is only going to host about 30-40 users for a realty
> company, so security is priority, plus it needs to have ease of
> administration because the guy who's going to admin this in the end (I'm
> just building it, he's maintaining it) isn't unix savy.  I've already done
> a lot of google diving, but with little luck.  Hence why I'm asking
> here.  If someone knows of a good guide or series of guides that'll help
> me
> through all this, it'd be greatly appreciated.  I'm used to doing this the
> hard way with sendmail and the regular freebsd users through the
> console.  So I'm really new to postfix, but I'm using it because it's
> supposedly more secure.  I'd have the guy who's admining it do the same,
> but he's too green in the console to risk it.  ;)
>
>  Many thanks in advance for any help you can provide.  :)
>
>
> Steven Lake
> Owner/Technical Writer
> Raiden's Realm
> www.raiden.net
> A friendly web community
>

Steve,

Youve asked at lot of questions in one here.

For 30 to 40 users what you are proposing is way over the top, I would
stay away from mysql etc.

I am using qmail + courier(pop3 & imap) + calamav + squirrelmail etc base
on the installation from http://www.qmailrocks.org/ with some tweeks from
Bill Olson's site http://www.goodcleanemail.com/ for spamassassin rules
and learning etc. Bill's site is useful as he uses FreeBsd. I also used
the Chkuser patch (rejecting mails during smtp for non existing users)
from John Simpson's site http://www.jms1.net/ + block lists. The setup
uses web based qmailadmin for managing mail boxes.

It has been running for nearly 2 years now and the only maintanence has
been updating clamav and tweeking the spamassassin rules.

BTW qmailrocks has an updated script for a freebsd installation using most
of the latest sw from ports. Although this is Beta3 it works - just used
it for a small business, there is also an active mailing list where Bill
and John are posting.

Hope this helps and guys please no postfix is better etc.

Rob

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Re: Needing a guide/tutorial please

[jan gestre]

On 8/18/06, Steve Lake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Looking for a guide online somewhere that will walk me through
setting up a mail server with the following items on it.

SpamAssassin
Postfix (pop3 and smtp setup)
MySQL (for database driven mail user administration)
MyPHPAdmin (to visually admin the database)
Squirrelmail (for webmail)
Apache (for squirrelmail)
Dovecot Imap (for squirrelmail)
Postfix Admin <- this is the reason for the need to have a mysql driven
mail user database.  It's apparently required for this to work.  Plus
database driven user management tends to be easier.  Of course, if you
know
of a better way to graphically admin mail users without using a database,
I'm all ears.  :)
And lastly, some kind of web based server admin page that's similar to
webmin, but more secure.

 I want to setup a mail server with all these elements, have
postfix, squirrelmail and dovecot be database driven and somehow create a
mailbox tree for the webmail users for saved, spam, sent and trashcan
folders.  Also, lastly, which format for mail is better?  Maildir or
Mbox?  I'm partial to Mbox, but I've heard some others say Maildir is
better.  The server is only going to host about 30-40 users for a realty
company, so security is priority, plus it needs to have ease of
administration because the guy who's going to admin this in the end (I'm
just building it, he's maintaining it) isn't unix savy.  I've already done
a lot of google diving, but with little luck.  Hence why I'm asking
here.  If someone knows of a good guide or series of guides that'll help
me
through all this, it'd be greatly appreciated.  I'm used to doing this the
hard way with sendmail and the regular freebsd users through the
console.  So I'm really new to postfix, but I'm using it because it's
supposedly more secure.  I'd have the guy who's admining it do the same,
but he's too green in the console to risk it.  ;)

 try using google, it will point you to the tutorial's url but since you
already posted that question here, the postfix website has lots of howto in
setting up a mailserver, i for one used the howto's in postfix' website. but
if your too lazy to google :D this url's might help:



http://freebie.miraclenet.co.th/server/install_fbsd/
http://www.astro.ufl.edu/it/install/freebsd.html

here a suggestion, instead of using squirrelmail try using roundcube, we use

it here in our office. roundcube's ajax like interface's absolutely awesome
compared to squirrelmail bland interface, you can install it via subversion.
dovecot is a good choice for imap and pop3 service. postfix can support both
mbox and maildir but i prefer maildir. you can secure your box by chrooting
postfix or putting it behind a firewall. there are so many ways to make it
fully secure, those i mentioned are just a few of them.




HTH
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Needing a guide/tutorial please

[Steve Lake]

Looking for a guide online somewhere that will walk me through 
setting up a mail server with the following items on it.


SpamAssassin
Postfix (pop3 and smtp setup)
MySQL (for database driven mail user administration)
MyPHPAdmin (to visually admin the database)
Squirrelmail (for webmail)
Apache (for squirrelmail)
Dovecot Imap (for squirrelmail)
Postfix Admin <- this is the reason for the need to have a mysql driven 
mail user database.  It's apparently required for this to work.  Plus 
database driven user management tends to be easier.  Of course, if you know 
of a better way to graphically admin mail users without using a database, 
I'm all ears.  :)
And lastly, some kind of web based server admin page that's similar to 
webmin, but more secure.


I want to setup a mail server with all these elements, have 
postfix, squirrelmail and dovecot be database driven and somehow create a 
mailbox tree for the webmail users for saved, spam, sent and trashcan 
folders.  Also, lastly, which format for mail is better?  Maildir or 
Mbox?  I'm partial to Mbox, but I've heard some others say Maildir is 
better.  The server is only going to host about 30-40 users for a realty 
company, so security is priority, plus it needs to have ease of 
administration because the guy who's going to admin this in the end (I'm 
just building it, he's maintaining it) isn't unix savy.  I've already done 
a lot of google diving, but with little luck.  Hence why I'm asking 
here.  If someone knows of a good guide or series of guides that'll help me 
through all this, it'd be greatly appreciated.  I'm used to doing this the 
hard way with sendmail and the regular freebsd users through the 
console.  So I'm really new to postfix, but I'm using it because it's 
supposedly more secure.  I'd have the guy who's admining it do the same, 
but he's too green in the console to risk it.  ;)


Many thanks in advance for any help you can provide.  :)


Steven Lake
Owner/Technical Writer
Raiden's Realm
www.raiden.net
A friendly web community


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Re: Need Free BSD's company description ASAP, Linuxworld SF06 Show Guide Deadline has passed. ATTN: Matt Olender

[Matt Olander]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

To Matt Olender or anyone that can lend a hand.

The LinuxWorld Event Team has tried to reach Matt Olender with regard to 
Free BSD's company description in the Official Show Guide. We have run 
past the deadline to include you into the Show Guide. However, if anyone 
can email me and CC Julie Iodice above your comapny description (50 word 
max) word before 1:00pm, we can manually enter it in our system.


Hi Christian,

Sorry, I don't see a voicemail or email from you guys. In any case, can 
you use the same description that we had for the Boston show in the .org 
pavillion?


Please email me with any questions!

Cheers,
-matt



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Re: GUIDE step-by-step - FreeBSD-RELENG-upgrade + BUILDWORLD process, using CVSUP

[Constantino Michailidis]

On Sunday 18 June 2006 08:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hanno Krusken wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > specially for the novice of you, please read carefully
> > !!
> >
> > # make clean
> >
> > # make -j4 buildworld
> >
> > # make buildkernel KERNCONF=YOUR-KERNEL-FILE
> >
> > # make installkernel KERNCONF=YOUR-KERNEL-FILE
> >
> > # reboot
> >
> > Hanno Krusken
> >  
>
> make -j4 can cause many systems to fail
>
> The correct procedure is
>
> make buildworld
> make kernel KERNCONF=mykern
> mergemaster -p
> make installworld
> mergemaster
>
> regards Jason M

Thought I'd throw in my 2cents to the conversation.  I have a cheat-sheet I've 
created myself for this process.  Generally, the procedure is as described as 
above.  One issue is that the actual process can vary... there is more than 
one _correct_ procedure.  That being said, it may help a newbie to have 
_more_ detail than less.  Thus, I'll include my cheat sheet here too.  
Section 21.4 from the handbook should be the final authority ;-)

Note, following the procedure isn't difficult at all... what _is_ difficult is 
answering the questions 'mergemaster' asks correctly.  In reality, this 
usually isn't too difficult either, but can be intimidating for less 
experienced users.

The general rule of thumb for mergemaster is answer 'i' (install temporary 
version) for any file that you don't remember editing yourself - this usually 
means press 'd' (delete) when prompted to merge files like /etc/hosts or 
(possibly) /etc/printcap.  On a typically configured machine, you are 
instructing mergemaster to either install (95%) or delete (4%) the temporary 
file it's prompting about; the other 1% of the time a 'real' merge is 
necessary.  Ultimately, you need to use your head a bit during mergemaster.

Other than that, the only thing you need to understand is how to use cvsup.  
Enough already, here's my cheat-sheet:

UPDATING FREEBSD

cvsup standard-supfile  #i'm tracking stable
cd /usr/src

cat UPDATING#glance at it for quirks

make buildworld

make buildkernel KERNCONF=your_filename

make installkernel KERNCONF=your_filename

shutdown now#optional; allows you to skip to next 'cd' command

reboot  #into single user mode

fsck -p
mount -u /
mount -a -t ufs
swapon -a

adjkerntz -i#if cmos clock set to local time

cd /usr/src

#using mergemaster: usually just answer 'i'
#for every file sans 'hosts', 'printcap'
#and any other customized /etc files
#use your head

mergemaster -p  #merges new stuff needed by installworld

make installworld

mergemaster #merges all new stuff: /etc /var/ usr

reboot
cd /usr/obj

chflags -R noschg * #only if any files are immutable

rm -rf *#saves disk space and
#makes future updates easier but slower
#THIS HAPPENS IN /usr/obj
#LOL, BE CAREFUL TO INSURE THIS!!!

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Re: GUIDE step-by-step - FreeBSD-RELENG-upgrade + BUILDWORLD process, using CVSUP

[talonz]

Hanno Krusken wrote:

Hi all,
specially for the novice of you, please read carefully
!!

# make clean

# make -j4 buildworld

# make buildkernel KERNCONF=YOUR-KERNEL-FILE

# make installkernel KERNCONF=YOUR-KERNEL-FILE

# reboot

Hanno Krusken
  

make -j4 can cause many systems to fail

The correct procedure is

make buildworld
make kernel KERNCONF=mykern
mergemaster -p
make installworld
mergemaster

regards Jason M



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GUIDE step-by-step - FreeBSD-RELENG-upgrade + BUILDWORLD process, using CVSUP

[Hanno Krusken]

Hi all,
specially for the novice of you, please read carefully
!!

OK, this is a "the step-by-step GUIDE" to do a
FreeBSD-RELENG-upgrade + BUILDWORLD process, using
CVSUP

I have seen a lot of "buildworld" questions, and even
more tips, on this news-group and now, finally I
provide my "GUIDE" for all FreeBSD-RELENG-X.xx,
builds, patches, ports-upgrades, in hope it will be
help full for any one who still has problems building
the system.. to make a "BUILDWORLD" as fast,
safe and easy as possible using the CVSUP way !
You will find your answer to most of your questions
below.
NOTE !!!
I only pull together and compress all the tips and
information's out of news-groups, BSD-handbook,
O'Reilly's publications and most my own try-and-error
experiences. Even if it seams not quite perfect for
some BSD-Gurus, but it happily dose the job for me,
highly customised kernel and 520-installed-ports in
one go, with out trouble.

I used this steps for years now on all
FreeBSD-releng-4.8, 4.9, 4.10, 4.11, 5.4, 5.5, 6.0 and
on all patch levels.
(well 4.x wont's it the old way, but 5.x and 6.x
sweeps flawless ahead)
Recently upgraded my Laptop from FreeBSD-5.4-p15 to
FreeBSD-5.5-p1 and a FreeBSD-6.0 with out any
problems,
it will work for FreeBSD-6.1 and above as
well promised ;o)

Usually CVSUP the source, fetch the distfiles and
e-mails in a pub with WiFi WLan down the road on my
Laptop, have a beer or two, compile, build, install
the rest on the way home and over night if needed.
No joke, I have no DSL, ISDN or phone at home but it
works sweet for me,
beer taste better than a phone bill ;o) and keeps my
system up-to-date as well.

Now to make it even more convenience to fetch it all,
using "fastest_cvsup" for the source is a treat, but
to keep it simple in this "guide" I'll only describe
the basic way. (at the end of this mail you'll find a
small script to CVSUP with "fatetest_cvsup") any way
;o)

Over all, a "buildworld" or "upgrade" with this guide
will only work if your config files are OK before you
carry on to follow this "guide": !!
Make sure the following files are looked over and work
sweet 
you'll run in to a lot of error messages, if not
crafted carefully to suit your machine!!
you have to tweak this files first, to match your
system, before you even can think about calling a
buildworld-step out of this guide !!!
build a customs kernel first and you get in to it.
If your machine boots up with your own kernel, give it
a go

/etc/make.conf
/usr/src/sys/i386/conf/YOUR-KERNEL-FILE
/etc/standard-supfile
/etc/ports-supfile

### STEP-BY-STEP the stupid way, but easy as that
"1+2=3a" or "1+2=3b"  ;o)
###
### 1.) FETCHING SRC-SOURCE BY CVSUP, CLEANING SYSTEM
AND RUNNING BUILDWORLD !!
### 2.) BOOT UP IN SINGLE MODE, MERGEMASTER AND
INSTALLWORLD !!
### 3-a.) use for: RELEASE-PATCH-UPGRADE +
DAILY-PORTS-UPGRADE AND FINISH !!
### 3-b.) or use for: FULL-RELEASE-UPGRADE +
FULL-PORTS-UPGRADE AND FINISH !!
###
### BUILDWORLD PROCESS WITH CVSUP:
### "guide" for system upgrade:
### all action as "root" or "su" to root   ;o)
###--
### 1.) FETCHING SRC SOURCE BY CVSUP, CLEANING SYSTEM
AND RUNNING BUILDWORLD:

# cvsup -g -L 2 /etc/standard-supfile   ### (you need
to be online for this one to fetch the "source")

# cd /usr/obj

# chflags -R noschg *

# rm -rf *

# cd /usr/src

# make clean

# make -j4 buildworld

# make buildkernel KERNCONF=YOUR-KERNEL-FILE

# make installkernel KERNCONF=YOUR-KERNEL-FILE

# reboot

###--
### 2.) BOOT UP IN SINGLE MODE, MERGEMASTER AND
INSTALLWORLD !!!

# hit the  if boot up delay counter starts
!!

# boot -s

# mount -a

# cd /usr/src

# mergemaster -p### pre-buildworld mode, only
essential files !

# make installworld

# cp -Rp /etc /etc.old

# mergemaster -cv   ### do all changes as needed, take
your time and think, redo every step if unsure !!! ...
or you can hack the files by hand 

# reboot

###---
### 3-a.) use FOR RELEASE-PATCH-UPGRADE,
DAILY-PORTS-UPGRADE AND FINISH !!
### BOOT UP IN NORMAL MODE, PORTS UPGRADE AND FINISH
!!!

### open a "xterm" if running in X11

# su

# Password:

# uname -a

# cd /usr/src

# make clean

# cvsup -g -L 2 /etc/ports-supfile   ### (you need to
be online for this one to fetch the "ports
collection")

# cd /usr/ports

# make fetchindex   ### (or "make index" but takes
time)

# portupgrade -rRaF   ### (you need to be online for
this one to fetch the "distfiles" SKIP THIS STEP IF
PERMANENT ONLINE)

# portupgrade -rRa ### (you can go offline for
this one now)

### RESTART X11 and/or boot !!! FINISHED :o)

###---
### 3-b.) FOR FULL-RELEASE-UPGRADE, AND
FULL-PORTS-UPGRADE AND FINISH !

Re: Freebsd kernel guide

[Björn König]

Ananth.G schrieb:

hi all,
 Is anyone aware of a good book that teaches the internals of
freebsd kernel? ie. books for understanding kernel internals,
kernel module programming and kernel source (tree)guide.

regards,
ananth g.


I recommend this book:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0201702452

This book is very good if you want to understand how the FreeBSD kernel 
works. It discusses various important parts of the kernel in detail. It 
is less suitable for practical application; I suggest to read kernel 
source code. ;-)


Björn
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Re: Freebsd kernel guide

[Philip Hallstrom]

hi all,
Is anyone aware of a good book that teaches the internals of
freebsd kernel? ie. books for understanding kernel internals,
kernel module programming and kernel source (tree)guide.


I'm sure there are more, but here's some...

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/arch-handbook/index.html
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/design-44bsd/index.html

-philip
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Freebsd kernel guide

[Ananth.G]

hi all,
 Is anyone aware of a good book that teaches the internals of
freebsd kernel? ie. books for understanding kernel internals,
kernel module programming and kernel source (tree)guide.

regards,
ananth g.
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Re: 6.0 Migration Guide?

[Chris Shenton]

Rowdy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> Does anyone have a pointer to a FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE Migration Guide?

> Try /usr/src/UPDATING, search for "To upgrade in-place from 5.x-stable
> or higher to 6.x-stable" (near the end of the file).

I *just* went through this on two 5-STABLE systems, worked like a
charm.  Very nice.

Thanks to all the FreeBSD developers who made this so trouble-free.
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Re: 6.0 Migration Guide?

[Kevin Kinsey]

Kris Kennaway wrote:


On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 11:41:27AM -0800, Gayn Winters wrote:
 


Does anyone have a pointer to a FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE Migration Guide?
Even a draft?  I googled and looked in
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.0R/ with no luck.  The 5.4 one is very
nice.
   



Operationally (i.e. to the user), 5.4 and 6.0 are very similar
(contrast to 4.11 -> 5.4, which was a huge change).

Kris
 




FWIW, this is true for even larger 5-> 6 jumps; a machine running
FreesBIE 1.1 (which was based on 5.3, IIRC) updated to RELENG_6_0
here today via standard "buildworld cycle" just as smooth as silk

Kevin Kinsey

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Re: 6.0 Migration Guide?

[Kris Kennaway]

On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 11:41:27AM -0800, Gayn Winters wrote:
> Does anyone have a pointer to a FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE Migration Guide?
> Even a draft?  I googled and looked in
> http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.0R/ with no luck.  The 5.4 one is very
> nice.

Operationally (i.e. to the user), 5.4 and 6.0 are very similar
(contrast to 4.11 -> 5.4, which was a huge change).

Kris


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Re: 6.0 Migration Guide?

[Rowdy]

Gayn Winters wrote:
Does anyone have a pointer to a FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE Migration Guide? 
Even a draft?  I googled and looked in 
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.0R/ with no luck.  The 5.4 one is

very nice.

Thanks,

-gayn

Bristol Systems Inc. 714/532-6776 www.bristolsystems.com


Try /usr/src/UPDATING, search for "To upgrade in-place from 5.x-stable
or higher to 6.x-stable" (near the end of the file).

Rowdy
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6.0 Migration Guide?

[Gayn Winters]

Does anyone have a pointer to a FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE Migration Guide?
Even a draft?  I googled and looked in
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.0R/ with no luck.  The 5.4 one is very
nice.

Thanks,

-gayn

Bristol Systems Inc.
714/532-6776
www.bristolsystems.com 


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RE: Review of "An Illustrated Guide to IPSec"?

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

IPsec?  I thought you were taling about IPsex!

Ted

>-Original Message-
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>Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 5:46 PM
>To: f-q
>Subject: OT: Review of "An Illustrated Guide to IPSec"?
>
>
>To this IPSec ignorant but quite interested in the subject, this
>seems like a good reference ...
>
>  http://www.unixwiz.net/techtips/iguide-ipsec.html
>
>
>To those who are versed in the topic, how does it look?
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Re: OT: Review of "An Illustrated Guide to IPSec"?

[Tom Norris]

Parv wrote:

To this IPSec ignorant but quite interested in the subject, this
seems like a good reference ...

  http://www.unixwiz.net/techtips/iguide-ipsec.html

To those who are versed in the topic, how does it look?


I'm not very versed in the topic of ipsec, but this definately looks 
like a good read.

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OT: Review of "An Illustrated Guide to IPSec"?

[Parv]

To this IPSec ignorant but quite interested in the subject, this
seems like a good reference ...

  http://www.unixwiz.net/techtips/iguide-ipsec.html


To those who are versed in the topic, how does it look?


  - Parv

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Re: pkgdb usage guide

[Vizion]

On Sunday 28 August 2005 17:56,  the author Lowell Gilbert contributed to the 
dialogue on-
 Re: pkgdb usage guide: 

>Vizion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> It would be most appreciated if someone who is familiar with the use
>> of pkgdb could either point to a user guide that tells one how & in
>> what circumstances to use the various interactive options offered by
>> this utility or maybe help to draft an faq on it.
>
>How about the following?
>
> The pkgdb command is a tool to create or update the system
> package database which is used by the portupgrade(1) tool suite.
> It maintains a hash that maps an installed file to a package
> name, a hash that maps a package to an origin, and a list of
> installed packages.
>
> pkg_which looks in the package database to tell which package
> each specified file came from.  If the database is outdated but
> you do not have permission to update it, it delegates tasks to
> pkg_info(1).
>
> Actually, pkgdb and pkg_which are the same command, and are
> equivalent.
>
> The pkgdb command also works as an interactive tool for fixing
> the pack- age registry database when -F is specified.  It helps
> you resolve stale dependencies, unlink cyclic dependencies,
> complete stale or missing origins and remove duplicates.  You
> should run this command periodically so portupgrade(1) and other
> pkg_* tools can work effectively and reliably.


Pretty good
How about the various interactive options - do you have time to add to it 
guifance on how to answer the question if you use the -F option and the 
utility finds stale dependencies?

That set of questions can be pretty daunting roe newbies and the way that the 
manual is written can be challenging for old hands (like myself) with failing 
memories!!!

Thanks again 

When this is done I will put it on a website somewhere.. there is a serious 
gap in all the FreeBSD documentation for this one.

david
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Re: pkgdb usage guide

[Lowell Gilbert]

Vizion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> It would be most appreciated if someone who is familiar with the use
> of pkgdb could either point to a user guide that tells one how & in
> what circumstances to use the various interactive options offered by
> this utility or maybe help to draft an faq on it.

How about the following?

 The pkgdb command is a tool to create or update the system
 package database which is used by the portupgrade(1) tool suite.
 It maintains a hash that maps an installed file to a package
 name, a hash that maps a package to an origin, and a list of
 installed packages.

 pkg_which looks in the package database to tell which package
 each specified file came from.  If the database is outdated but
 you do not have permission to update it, it delegates tasks to
 pkg_info(1).

 Actually, pkgdb and pkg_which are the same command, and are
 equivalent.

 The pkgdb command also works as an interactive tool for fixing
 the pack- age registry database when -F is specified.  It helps
 you resolve stale dependencies, unlink cyclic dependencies,
 complete stale or missing origins and remove duplicates.  You
 should run this command periodically so portupgrade(1) and other
 pkg_* tools can work effectively and reliably.

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pkgdb usage guide

[Vizion]

Hi

It would be most appreciated if someone who is familiar with the use of pkgdb 
could either point to a user guide that tells one how & in what circumstances 
to use the various interactive options offered by this utility or maybe help 
to draft an faq on it.

Thanks
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Re: OT: Re: WinXP administration guide for unix guru

[Louis LeBlanc]

On 08/22/05 05:03 PM, Joshua Weaver sat at the `puter and typed:
> What are the symptoms that you need administrator privileges? The default
> security scheme, even with the SP2 behemoth installed, require an
> administrator or power user to install the printer, but a user can print to
> it.  Is this just a postfix or pdl printer installed with a local tcp/ip
> port or are you connecting to a shared network printer off a samba machine?
> Is the sky really blue and will I get flamed for replying to a windows
> question? Only time will tell

I think you mean PostScript or pdf, not postfix or pdl, but the
symptoms were a simple failure to print.  It would simply pop up a
message saying it could not print to the printer.  It's been a long
time, and I gave up trying to solve it a long time ago, but basically,
I spent 8 hours on the phone with Dell support in New Dehli or where
ever it was, and spoke to 4 different people until I found someone
whose accent wasn't too thick to understand and finally gave up.  No,
I wasn't too thrilled about it, but I figured that's windows.

So, every time I see something about Windows administration, security
or otherwise, I flip through or ask about this old headache.

Sorry to have eaten so much time on this list.  Thanks to those who
have offered up pointers.  To be honest, I don't care enough to waste
much time with it.  I don't use that machine much anyway.

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Re: OT: Re: WinXP administration guide for unix guru

[Aaron Peterson]

On 8/22/05, Joshua Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What are the symptoms that you need administrator privileges? The default
> security scheme, even with the SP2 behemoth installed, require an
> administrator or power user to install the printer, but a user can print to
> it.  Is this just a postfix or pdl printer installed with a local tcp/ip
> port or are you connecting to a shared network printer off a samba machine?
> Is the sky really blue and will I get flamed for replying to a windows
> question? Only time will tell

I want to see a postfix printer :-)
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RE: OT: Re: WinXP administration guide for unix guru

[Joshua Weaver]

What are the symptoms that you need administrator privileges? The default
security scheme, even with the SP2 behemoth installed, require an
administrator or power user to install the printer, but a user can print to
it.  Is this just a postfix or pdl printer installed with a local tcp/ip
port or are you connecting to a shared network printer off a samba machine?
Is the sky really blue and will I get flamed for replying to a windows
question? Only time will tell

Joshua Weaver

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-freebsd-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Louis LeBlanc
> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 4:29 PM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: OT: Re: WinXP administration guide for unix guru
> 
> On 08/22/05 04:56 PM, Gerard Seibert sat at the `puter and typed:
> > On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:28:38 +0400 Igor Robul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Louis LeBlanc wrote:
> > > >
> > > >Does it tell you why XP requires any user wishing to print to a
> > > >network printer must have administrator privileges?
> > > >
> > > It doesnt
> >
> >
> > ** Reply Separator **
> > Monday, August 22, 2005 4:50:11 PM
> >
> > That is a simple fix. If this is a domain environment, open up the
> > security properties of the printer and add Authenticated Users and give
> > them the print privilege.
> >
> > This is similar to having to change permissions, etc. in order to allow
> > non-root users the ability to mount floppy drives, etc. in FreeBSD.
> 
> Thanks for the tip, but this isn't a domain environment.  There is NO
> security property available for this printer.  This is the only
> machine I'm tolerating a M$ OS on, so I don't really need the hassle
> of a domain.  The printer in question has its own ethernet port, and
> runs its own printserver, and security is intended to be open to any
> system within my network.
> 
> Lou
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Re: OT: Re: WinXP administration guide for unix guru

[Louis LeBlanc]

On 08/22/05 04:56 PM, Gerard Seibert sat at the `puter and typed:
> On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:28:38 +0400 Igor Robul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > Louis LeBlanc wrote:
> > >
> > >Does it tell you why XP requires any user wishing to print to a
> > >network printer must have administrator privileges?
> > >
> > It doesnt
> 
> 
> ** Reply Separator **
> Monday, August 22, 2005 4:50:11 PM
> 
> That is a simple fix. If this is a domain environment, open up the
> security properties of the printer and add Authenticated Users and give
> them the print privilege.
> 
> This is similar to having to change permissions, etc. in order to allow
> non-root users the ability to mount floppy drives, etc. in FreeBSD.

Thanks for the tip, but this isn't a domain environment.  There is NO
security property available for this printer.  This is the only
machine I'm tolerating a M$ OS on, so I don't really need the hassle
of a domain.  The printer in question has its own ethernet port, and
runs its own printserver, and security is intended to be open to any
system within my network.

Lou
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Re: OT: Re: WinXP administration guide for unix guru

[Gerard Seibert]

On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:28:38 +0400 Igor Robul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Louis LeBlanc wrote:
> >
> >Does it tell you why XP requires any user wishing to print to a
> >network printer must have administrator privileges?
> >
> It doesnt


** Reply Separator **
Monday, August 22, 2005 4:50:11 PM

That is a simple fix. If this is a domain environment, open up the
security properties of the printer and add Authenticated Users and give
them the print privilege.

This is similar to having to change permissions, etc. in order to allow
non-root users the ability to mount floppy drives, etc. in FreeBSD.

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Re: OT: Re: WinXP administration guide for unix guru

[Igor Robul]

Louis LeBlanc wrote:




Does it tell you why XP requires any user wishing to print to a
network printer must have administrator privileges?

 


It doesnt

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Re: WinXP administration guide for unix guru

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

>Can anyone recommend a book which explains this confusing
beast? I'm talking
>about a book which explains where things are put (equiv of
/var/mail,
>/etc/passwd, /etc/rc.conf), where application data is stored,
how printers,
>disks, etc are shared, how to book in "fixit disk" mode, how to
>backup/restore, how to configure swap space. And also questions
like why XP
>is "professional", etc.

Hello,

Assuming you're serious and not trolling, you may wish to
consider Universal Command Guide for Operating Systems, ISBN
0764548336. It claims to cross-reference "every command for
every operating system." I don't know if that's true, but I use
it from time to time, and I have yet to find an actual OS-native
command missing. The book's website is www.ucgbook.com, and it
has free samples.
As for using familiar *nix tools under Windows, MS offers
"Windows Services for UNIX 3.5" as a free download. This creates
a *nix virtual machine on the Windows box that you can use to
administer either a network system (Windows or *nix) or the
local system. Read more about it here:
www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/sfu/productinfo/features/default.mspx
(URI may have wrapped).

Regards,

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Re: WinXP administration guide for unix guru

[Kurt Buff]

Paul Schmehl wrote:
> --On August 20, 2005 6:02:18 PM -1000 Kent Hauser
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>
>> I've been a Unix sysadmin  (SunOS 3.x, 4.x, Solaris, FreeBSD) for 15
>> years, but am now being forced to learn how to run a collection of XP
>> boxes.
>>
>> Can anyone recommend a book which explains this confusing beast? I'm
>> talking about a book which explains where things are put (equiv of
>> /var/mail, /etc/passwd, /etc/rc.conf), where application data is stored,
>> how printers, disks, etc are shared, how to book in "fixit disk" mode,
>> how to
>> backup/restore, how to configure swap space. And also questions like why
>> XP is "professional", etc.
>>
> First I'll say a prayer for you.  Having been a long time Windows expert
> and now a competent journeyman on *nix, I can tell you that your
> learning curve will be high.
> 
> I'm afraid I don't know any books that I can recommend.  I can tell you
> that your biggest frustration will be the strong emphasis on the GUI for
> management and the almost complete lack of the tools you're used to
> using (find, grep, awk, sed, cut, tail, vi, etc.)

If that's the worst of his worries, he'll be doing just fine.

All he has to do is visit a couple of web sites:

http://unxutils.sourceforge.net - many of the unixish tools you lament.

http://www.sysinternals.com - all sorts of nifty tools for Windows

http://www.vim.org - VIM for Windows

But, for more complete knowledge, a visit to another web site might be
in order:

http://www.bookpool.com - perhaps one or both of the following:

http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0596008988

http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0735621675

Kurt
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Re: WinXP administration guide for unix guru

[Paul Schmehl]

--On August 20, 2005 6:02:18 PM -1000 Kent Hauser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:


I've been a Unix sysadmin  (SunOS 3.x, 4.x, Solaris, FreeBSD) for 15
years, but am now being forced to learn how to run a collection of XP
boxes.

Can anyone recommend a book which explains this confusing beast? I'm
talking about a book which explains where things are put (equiv of
/var/mail, /etc/passwd, /etc/rc.conf), where application data is stored,
how printers, disks, etc are shared, how to book in "fixit disk" mode,
how to
backup/restore, how to configure swap space. And also questions like why
XP is "professional", etc.

First I'll say a prayer for you.  Having been a long time Windows expert 
and now a competent journeyman on *nix, I can tell you that your learning 
curve will be high.


I'm afraid I don't know any books that I can recommend.  I can tell you 
that your biggest frustration will be the strong emphasis on the GUI for 
management and the almost complete lack of the tools you're used to using 
(find, grep, awk, sed, cut, tail, vi, etc.)


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Re: OT: Re: WinXP administration guide for unix guru

[Nikolas Britton]

I have a few tips, I started my computer life as a windows guy (I hate
the dam thing now).

hmm,
Grab a copy of ActiveState's ActivePerl and a find a good Perl for Win32 book.
Most everything you want is in the "Control Panel" and you can find
"Computer Management" in there, To get to "Control Panel" click on
Start

Are you really that clueless about windows, you've never used it?
Don't your friends pester you for computer help? Maybe you should
think about resigning...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0672322633/
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0735621527/
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0735619743/

> > Kent Hauser wrote:
> >
> > >Hi,
> > >
> > >I've been a Unix sysadmin  (SunOS 3.x, 4.x, Solaris, FreeBSD) for 15
> > >years, but am now being forced to learn how to run a collection of
> > >XP boxes.
> > >
> > >Can anyone recommend a book which explains this confusing beast? I'm
> > >talking about a book which explains where things are put (equiv of /
> > >var/mail, 

There is no /var/mail. It's stored under the users profile. click on
My computer then drive C: then Documents and Settings then %username%
then (I think) application data (the folder you want will be hidden,
in the file browser click on tools i think and then option click on
the next tab over and uncheck / check I think the first 5 boxes and
hit OK. the folder to look in is whatever mail program you use,
Outlook stores mail in a .pst file.

/etc/passwd,

Last I checked it was something like ntuser.dat or user.dat or
something like that, you can find it under Documents and
Settings\%username% but you can't do anything with that file because
it's encrypted. hmm. Click on Start >> Setting >> Control Panel >>
Computer Management and a program should pop up then you want some
like "user and group management then User management... sorry I'm
trying to remember all this from heart I don't have any windows
computers around me.

  /etc/rc.conf)

Click on Start >> Run >> type in "regedit" in the box and hit enter.
most of the things you want are under Hkey_Local_machine ... (I don't
remember... service or currentcontrolset somthing... microsoft.. etc.)
but their is hkey_current_user (think shell config file) too

, where application data is
> > >stored

C:\Program Files\%Name of App or Company of App%\

, how printers

Start >> Settings >> Printers

, disks, etc are shared, 

You have admin shares for the root of all disks by default %Diskname%$
so for drive C it would be \\hostname\C$

to share stuff double click on "My Computer" goto the folder you want
to share and right click on it and click properties, click on the tab
"share" or maybe it called sharing

how to book in "fixit
> > >disk" mode

What? hmm Try hitting the F8 key at boot, this will give you a boot menu.

, how to backup/restore, 

You need to buy a 3rd party app for that or make a perl script etc.

how to configure swap space.

Right click on "My computer" and it's its its under the tab system
maybe, It has 3 boxes in it... anyways that will get you halfway
there. click on performance button I think.

 And
> > >also questions like why XP is "professional", etc.

Marketing, the windows XP home and pro disks are the same, home can be
hacked into Pro with a simple hex editor.

BTW Don't ask me for anymore help unless you want to pay for tutoring.
I was feeling generous today when I decided to help Microsoft extend
it's monopoly without getting some of the action, I don't know why.
Maybe because I feel your pain.
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Re: OT: Re: WinXP administration guide for unix guru

[Garrett Cooper]

Andrew L. Gould wrote:


On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 04:17:03 -0400
Louis LeBlanc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 


On 08/20/05 11:23 PM, Andrew L. Gould sat at the `puter and typed:
   


On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 07:09:52 +0300
Ovidiu Ene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 


is this a joke?

Kent Hauser wrote:

   


Hi,

I've been a Unix sysadmin  (SunOS 3.x, 4.x, Solaris, FreeBSD)
for 15 years, but am now being forced to learn how to run a
collection of XP boxes.

Can anyone recommend a book which explains this confusing beast?
I'm talking about a book which explains where things are put
(equiv of / var/mail, /etc/passwd, /etc/rc.conf), where
application data is stored, how printers, disks, etc are shared,
how to book in "fixit disk" mode, how to backup/restore, how to
configure swap space. And also questions like why XP is
"professional", etc.

I know it's a bit off topic, but I'm having a hard time figuring
the system to what's what in XP.

Thanks, Kent
 


There are lots of WinXP administration books in the bookstores.
Although there are several books for Windows users moving to Unix,
I've not seen one for the other direction.

There is an O'Reilly book called "Windows XP Annoyances for
Geeks".  It may not help; but at least it has a cool title.  ;-)
 


Does it tell you why XP requires any user wishing to print to a
network printer must have administrator privileges?

Stupid XP.

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Probably not.  I have normal WinXP users here at home printing to
printers on a Hawking print server using IPP.

Andrew Gould

   Have fun and good luck Kent. Many of the resources for administering 
Windows machines is more difficult as the resources are more obscure 
than for Unix. Granted, a lot of the stuff comes easily as it's 
ascessible via preexisting menus, shortcuts and so forth, so you don't 
have to venture too far for a lot of the important things. However, 
there are quite a few-more difficult to search for-command line commands 
which you can use with greater power to accomplish what you need to do 
as an admin. Google and outside books are your friend in this case 
(especially the Riley ones I think since they produce a lot of books on 
the subject).
   Be happy though that you aren't in charge of an actual Windows 
server product with a domain though, because those are increasingly more 
difficult to learn because of all of the little tools and junk that are 
present, a lot of them command line based. That's why the MSCE 
certification exists.

-Garrett
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Re: OT: Re: WinXP administration guide for unix guru

[Andrew L. Gould]

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 04:17:03 -0400
Louis LeBlanc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 08/20/05 11:23 PM, Andrew L. Gould sat at the `puter and typed:
> > On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 07:09:52 +0300
> > Ovidiu Ene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > is this a joke?
> > > 
> > > Kent Hauser wrote:
> > > 
> > > >Hi,
> > > >
> > > >I've been a Unix sysadmin  (SunOS 3.x, 4.x, Solaris, FreeBSD)
> > > >for 15 years, but am now being forced to learn how to run a
> > > >collection of XP boxes.
> > > >
> > > >Can anyone recommend a book which explains this confusing beast?
> > > >I'm talking about a book which explains where things are put
> > > >(equiv of / var/mail, /etc/passwd, /etc/rc.conf), where
> > > >application data is stored, how printers, disks, etc are shared,
> > > >how to book in "fixit disk" mode, how to backup/restore, how to
> > > >configure swap space. And also questions like why XP is
> > > >"professional", etc.
> > > >
> > > >I know it's a bit off topic, but I'm having a hard time figuring
> > > >the system to what's what in XP.
> > > >
> > > >Thanks, Kent
> > 
> > There are lots of WinXP administration books in the bookstores.
> > Although there are several books for Windows users moving to Unix,
> > I've not seen one for the other direction.
> > 
> > There is an O'Reilly book called "Windows XP Annoyances for
> > Geeks".  It may not help; but at least it has a cool title.  ;-)
> 
> Does it tell you why XP requires any user wishing to print to a
> network printer must have administrator privileges?
> 
> Stupid XP.
> 
> Lou
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Probably not.  I have normal WinXP users here at home printing to
printers on a Hawking print server using IPP.

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Re: OT: Re: WinXP administration guide for unix guru

[Louis LeBlanc]

On 08/20/05 11:23 PM, Andrew L. Gould sat at the `puter and typed:
> On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 07:09:52 +0300
> Ovidiu Ene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > is this a joke?
> > 
> > Kent Hauser wrote:
> > 
> > >Hi,
> > >
> > >I've been a Unix sysadmin  (SunOS 3.x, 4.x, Solaris, FreeBSD) for 15
> > >years, but am now being forced to learn how to run a collection of
> > >XP boxes.
> > >
> > >Can anyone recommend a book which explains this confusing beast? I'm
> > >talking about a book which explains where things are put (equiv of /
> > >var/mail, /etc/passwd, /etc/rc.conf), where application data is
> > >stored, how printers, disks, etc are shared, how to book in "fixit
> > >disk" mode, how to backup/restore, how to configure swap space. And
> > >also questions like why XP is "professional", etc.
> > >
> > >I know it's a bit off topic, but I'm having a hard time figuring the
> > >system to what's what in XP.
> > >
> > >Thanks, Kent
> 
> There are lots of WinXP administration books in the bookstores.
> Although there are several books for Windows users moving to Unix,
> I've not seen one for the other direction.
> 
> There is an O'Reilly book called "Windows XP Annoyances for Geeks".  It
> may not help; but at least it has a cool title.  ;-)

Does it tell you why XP requires any user wishing to print to a
network printer must have administrator privileges?

Stupid XP.

Lou
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Re: WinXP administration guide for unix guru

[P.U.Kruppa]

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005, Kent Hauser wrote:


Hi,



I've been a Unix sysadmin  (SunOS 3.x, 4.x, Solaris, FreeBSD) for 15 years,
but am now being forced to learn how to run a collection of XP boxes.



Can anyone recommend a book which explains this confusing beast? I'm talking
about a book which explains where things are put (equiv of /var/mail,
/etc/passwd, /etc/rc.conf), where application data is stored, how printers,
disks, etc are shared, how to book in "fixit disk" mode, how to
backup/restore, how to configure swap space. And also questions like why XP
is "professional", etc.

You should have a look at microsoft press
http://www.microsoft.com/mspress/findabook/list/title.asp
for general information.

For specific problems the microsoft knowledge base
http://support.microsoft.com/
will be quite helpful.

Of course there also exist mailing lists and forums and don't 
forget google.


Regards,

Uli.







I know it's a bit off topic, but I'm having a hard time figuring the system
to what's what in XP.



Thanks, Kent







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OT: Re: WinXP administration guide for unix guru

[Andrew L. Gould]

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 07:09:52 +0300
Ovidiu Ene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> is this a joke?
> 
> Kent Hauser wrote:
> 
> >Hi,
> >
> >I've been a Unix sysadmin  (SunOS 3.x, 4.x, Solaris, FreeBSD) for 15
> >years, but am now being forced to learn how to run a collection of
> >XP boxes.
> >
> >Can anyone recommend a book which explains this confusing beast? I'm
> >talking about a book which explains where things are put (equiv of /
> >var/mail, /etc/passwd, /etc/rc.conf), where application data is
> >stored, how printers, disks, etc are shared, how to book in "fixit
> >disk" mode, how to backup/restore, how to configure swap space. And
> >also questions like why XP is "professional", etc.
> >
> >I know it's a bit off topic, but I'm having a hard time figuring the
> >system to what's what in XP.
> >
> >Thanks, Kent

There are lots of WinXP administration books in the bookstores.
Although there are several books for Windows users moving to Unix,
I've not seen one for the other direction.

There is an O'Reilly book called "Windows XP Annoyances for Geeks".  It
may not help; but at least it has a cool title.  ;-)

Good luck,

Andrew Gould
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Re: WinXP administration guide for unix guru

[Ovidiu Ene]

is this a joke?

Kent Hauser wrote:


Hi,



I've been a Unix sysadmin  (SunOS 3.x, 4.x, Solaris, FreeBSD) for 15 years,
but am now being forced to learn how to run a collection of XP boxes.



Can anyone recommend a book which explains this confusing beast? I'm talking
about a book which explains where things are put (equiv of /var/mail,
/etc/passwd, /etc/rc.conf), where application data is stored, how printers,
disks, etc are shared, how to book in "fixit disk" mode, how to
backup/restore, how to configure swap space. And also questions like why XP
is "professional", etc.



I know it's a bit off topic, but I'm having a hard time figuring the system
to what's what in XP.



Thanks, Kent







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WinXP administration guide for unix guru

[Kent Hauser]

Hi,

 

I've been a Unix sysadmin  (SunOS 3.x, 4.x, Solaris, FreeBSD) for 15 years,
but am now being forced to learn how to run a collection of XP boxes.

 

Can anyone recommend a book which explains this confusing beast? I'm talking
about a book which explains where things are put (equiv of /var/mail,
/etc/passwd, /etc/rc.conf), where application data is stored, how printers,
disks, etc are shared, how to book in "fixit disk" mode, how to
backup/restore, how to configure swap space. And also questions like why XP
is "professional", etc.

 

I know it's a bit off topic, but I'm having a hard time figuring the system
to what's what in XP.

 

Thanks, Kent

 

 

 

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Re: Migration Guide

[Bruce A. Mah]

If memory serves me right, Vizion wrote:
> To
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> This thread from freebsd-question refers to release notes and is passed to 
> you 
> on recomendation of  Giorgos Keramidas who contributed to the dialogue on Re: 
> Migration Guide:

As Giorgos said, the release notes of 5.4 are frozen and no changes can
be made to them.

The release notes for 5-STABLE and 6-CURRENT have no references to the
Migration Guide.  There used to be some boiler-plate references to
src/UPDATING but they were probably removed during those releases where
the Migration Guide existed.  Some suitably motivated doc committer
could update them if necessary and bring them back.

Note that the Migration Guide was intended to address concerns of users
upgrading from 4.X to 5.X.  This is implied in its abstract and is
specifically stated in the introduction.

Bruce.

> >On 2005-05-28 08:58, Vizion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> On Saturday 28 May 2005 07:30,  the author Giorgos Keramidas contributed
> >> to
> >>
> >> the dialogue on Re: Migration Guide:
> >> >On 2005-05-27 10:52, Vizion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> Hi
> >> >> Have I missed something -- I do not see any notes for source upgrade
> >> >> from 5.3 to 5.4 in the Migration guide. There see notes on upgrade 4.x
> >> >> to 5.x.
> >> >
> >> >The usual update procedure, described in the Handbook and
> >> >/usr/src/UPDATING works fine for 5.3 -> 5.4, so there is
> >> >no need for a special "Migration Guide".
> >>
> >> I think that may be arguable but if true the release notes needs to be
> >> updated to reflect that position by removing all reference  to the
> >> presence of updating notes in the migration guide for upgrade from 5.x to
> >> 5.4 and replace it with a handbook page reference.
> >
> >Certainly.  It's too late to fix the release notes of 5.4, but if you
> >note such places please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] :-)
> 


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Re: Migration Guide

[Vizion]

To
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This thread from freebsd-question refers to release notes and is passed to you 
on recomendation of  Giorgos Keramidas who contributed to the dialogue on Re: 
Migration Guide:
>On 2005-05-28 08:58, Vizion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Saturday 28 May 2005 07:30,  the author Giorgos Keramidas contributed
>> to
>>
>> the dialogue on Re: Migration Guide:
>> >On 2005-05-27 10:52, Vizion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> Hi
>> >> Have I missed something -- I do not see any notes for source upgrade
>> >> from 5.3 to 5.4 in the Migration guide. There see notes on upgrade 4.x
>> >> to 5.x.
>> >
>> >The usual update procedure, described in the Handbook and
>> >/usr/src/UPDATING works fine for 5.3 -> 5.4, so there is
>> >no need for a special "Migration Guide".
>>
>> I think that may be arguable but if true the release notes needs to be
>> updated to reflect that position by removing all reference  to the
>> presence of updating notes in the migration guide for upgrade from 5.x to
>> 5.4 and replace it with a handbook page reference.
>
>Certainly.  It's too late to fix the release notes of 5.4, but if you
>note such places please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] :-)

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Re: Migration Guide

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On 2005-05-28 08:58, Vizion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Saturday 28 May 2005 07:30,  the author Giorgos Keramidas contributed to
> the dialogue on Re: Migration Guide:
> >On 2005-05-27 10:52, Vizion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Hi
> >> Have I missed something -- I do not see any notes for source upgrade
> >> from 5.3 to 5.4 in the Migration guide. There see notes on upgrade 4.x
> >> to 5.x.
> >
> >The usual update procedure, described in the Handbook and
> >/usr/src/UPDATING works fine for 5.3 -> 5.4, so there is
> >no need for a special "Migration Guide".
>
> I think that may be arguable but if true the release notes needs to be updated
> to reflect that position by removing all reference  to the presence of
> updating notes in the migration guide for upgrade from 5.x to 5.4 and replace
> it with a handbook page reference.

Certainly.  It's too late to fix the release notes of 5.4, but if you
note such places please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] :-)

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Re: Migration Guide

[Vizion]

On Saturday 28 May 2005 07:30,  the author Giorgos Keramidas contributed to 
the dialogue on Re: Migration Guide:
>On 2005-05-27 10:52, Vizion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi
>> Have I missed something -- I do not see any notes for source upgrade
>> from 5.3 to 5.4 in the Migration guide. There see notes on upgrade 4.x
>> to 5.x.
>
>The usual update procedure, described in the Handbook and
>/usr/src/UPDATING works fine for 5.3 -> 5.4, so there is
>no need for a special "Migration Guide".

I think that may be arguable but if true the release notes needs to be updated 
to reflect that position by removing all reference  to the presence of 
updating notes in the migration guide for upgrade from 5.x to 5.4 and replace 
it with a handbook page reference.

David

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Re: Migration Guide

[Vizion]

On Saturday 28 May 2005 06:58,  the author Robert Slade contributed to the 
dialogue on Re: Migration Guide:
>On Fri, 2005-05-27 at 18:52, Vizion wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> Have I missed something -- I do not see any notes for source upgrade from
>> 5.3 to 5.4 in the Migration guide. There see notes on upgrade 4.x to 5.x.
>>
>> Are the procedures notes to be found elsewhere?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> david
>
>David,
>
>Unless I am missing something, it is just a case of cvsup see the
>instructions in the handbook.

I understand that -- but I was thinking about contents of the Migration guide 
which does not seem to include notes  which the release document states are 
in the migration guide!

david
>
>Rob
>
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Re: Migration Guide

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On 2005-05-27 10:52, Vizion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi
> Have I missed something -- I do not see any notes for source upgrade
> from 5.3 to 5.4 in the Migration guide. There see notes on upgrade 4.x
> to 5.x.

The usual update procedure, described in the Handbook and
/usr/src/UPDATING works fine for 5.3 -> 5.4, so there is
no need for a special "Migration Guide".

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Re: Migration Guide

[Robert Slade]

On Fri, 2005-05-27 at 18:52, Vizion wrote:
> Hi
> 
> Have I missed something -- I do not see any notes for source upgrade from 5.3 
> to 5.4 in the Migration guide. There see notes on upgrade 4.x to 5.x.
> 
> Are the procedures notes to be found elsewhere?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> david

David,

Unless I am missing something, it is just a case of cvsup see the
instructions in the handbook.

Rob

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Migration Guide

[Vizion]

Hi

Have I missed something -- I do not see any notes for source upgrade from 5.3 
to 5.4 in the Migration guide. There see notes on upgrade 4.x to 5.x.

Are the procedures notes to be found elsewhere?

Thanks

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Re: New Freebsd Install Guide Available

[Jerold McAllister]

Ted Mittelstaedt writes: 

 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jerry
McAllister

Well, both types of documentation are needed.   The official formal
documentation, which, of necessity , needs to be written in a rather
formal language style and other explanitory docs for newbies and
those of us who need a more conversational and step by step style
at least to get started at things.   There are several good books
out with more conversational style and some reasonable web sites
with tutorials.
 
The only problem with many of the web sites and even the books is
that they tend to take a personal preference prejucidial attitude
toward things rather than encouraging readers to try out various
things and giving them instruction toward those other choices.
Some examples are installing and using Gnome.   To read some guides,
one would think it is impossible to run FreeBSD without Gnome.
Some seem to imply it is absolutely necessary to install a third
party MBR/boot manager such as Grub to boot FreeBSD, just because
they like it.  Some tend to think the only possible shell to use
is bash or sh and anyone using something else can't possibly get their
work done.  The list could go on.
 
That sort of thing may be present in some books but it wasn't in
mine. 

I will say one thing though, that a 3rd party book must specialize on
some aspect of FreeBSD if people are going to buy it.  People that
buy documentation usually have a more specific need than that they
just want to boot FreeBSD on whatever spare PC they have lying around.
So, for example in my book all examples were Bourne shell, because
the focus of the book wasn't on running shells under UNIX.  However I
never wrote in the book that that readers should only use Bourne.
In fact, on the section on system administration I specifically said
Bourne and csh wern't optimal for new users, and tcsh and bash were
more popular, followed by an overview of the major shells.  Please
be careful where your swinging that tarpot and brush in the future.
Sure, I know that.I probably should have continued the qualifier I
used for the web site and said something like 'some of the books' since it
would be what I meant.   And the prejudices are different from one source
to the next - it isn't the same everywhere.   It is just something to be
aware of.  Even the official Handbook has a few personal prejudices that
aren't really as absolute as the text may imply, though I haven't looked
for any lately and it continues to be updated. 

jerry 

Ted Mittelstaedt
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RE: New Freebsd Install Guide Available

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jerry
> McAllister

> Well, both types of documentation are needed.   The official formal
> documentation, which, of necessity , needs to be written in a rather
> formal language style and other explanitory docs for newbies and
> those of us who need a more conversational and step by step style
> at least to get started at things.   There are several good books
> out with more conversational style and some reasonable web sites
> with tutorials.
>  
> The only problem with many of the web sites and even the books is
> that they tend to take a personal preference prejucidial attitude
> toward things rather than encouraging readers to try out various
> things and giving them instruction toward those other choices.
> Some examples are installing and using Gnome.   To read some guides,
> one would think it is impossible to run FreeBSD without Gnome.
> Some seem to imply it is absolutely necessary to install a third
> party MBR/boot manager such as Grub to boot FreeBSD, just because
> they like it.  Some tend to think the only possible shell to use
> is bash or sh and anyone using something else can't possibly get their
> work done.  The list could go on.
>  

That sort of thing may be present in some books but it wasn't in
mine.

I will say one thing though, that a 3rd party book must specialize on
some aspect of FreeBSD if people are going to buy it.  People that
buy documentation usually have a more specific need than that they
just want to boot FreeBSD on whatever spare PC they have lying around.
So, for example in my book all examples were Bourne shell, because
the focus of the book wasn't on running shells under UNIX.  However I
never wrote in the book that that readers should only use Bourne.
In fact, on the section on system administration I specifically said
Bourne and csh wern't optimal for new users, and tcsh and bash were
more popular, followed by an overview of the major shells.  Please
be careful where your swinging that tarpot and brush in the future.

Ted Mittelstaedt
Author, The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide.
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RE: New Freebsd Install Guide Available

[stheg olloydson]

it was said:

>I think this is great, but there should be a project leader to
>regulate overall structure of the Handbook and other documents
as 
>that is perhaps where the greatest amount of work is needed.
Could
>we at least have a mailing list for writers? 



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RE: New Freebsd Install Guide Available

[Texas Consultant]

Many people who are involved in FreeBSD are not programmers. The Project 
includes documentation writers, Web designers, and support people. All that 
these people need to contribute is an investment of time and a willingness 
to learn.

1.  Read through the FAQ and Handbook periodically. If anything is badly 
explained, out of date or even just completely wrong, let us know. Even 
better, send us a fix (SGML is not difficult to learn, but there is no 
objection to ASCII submissions).

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributing/index.html
-- I think this is great, but there should be a project leader to regulate 
overall structure of the Handbook and other documents as that is perhaps 
where the greatest amount of work is needed. Could we at least have a 
mailing list for writers?

Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 01:03:24 -0400
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: New Freebsd Install Guide Available
To: "Chris Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: Randy Pratt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"
As stated in the content displayed by those URL's  the Install guide
is free to anyone to download and very plainly states the content is
contributed to public domain.
So  why are so many people asking the same question when the answer
is so self evident?
And this writer takes offence to anybody calling the promoting of
this Install guide as verbally trashing the handbook.
I don't need to do that.  Many others have done that over the years.
Any regular reader of the list will know that the handbook content
has had many people voicing concern over its  less than basic
ability to convey meaningful instructions.  No need to open that
flame war again.
The bottom line is the firewall section of this Install guide has
been  lifted and used to replace the FreeBSD official  handbook's
complete firewall section all ready. Any body can lift any part of
the install guide and put forth their own effort to use it as source
to replace other sections of the official handbook. There is nothing
stopping you so go for it.
This Install guide has a much more meaningful index which is right
there all the time helping the reader to navigate the guides
different subjects.  The presentation method of the index and
content on split screen is more in line with modern web content that
every ones sees these days. Plus the install Guide progresses in an
step by step manner from installing the base default system all the
way up to configurating a private LAN which can masquerade as a
commercial user.  This address the desired server configuration most
often wanted by the majority the first time posters to this
questions list.
Another important niche this FreeBSD Install Guide covers is that it
is downloadable direct to ms/window boxes and can be viewed using
the ms/explorer browser.  You UNIX purists have to accept the fact
that there are many ms/win users who want to be FreeBSD users and
dual win/FreeBSD users out there and this Install guide opens up a
bridge to the FreeBSD operating system to service this untapped
potential user group.  Just watch the posts on the list for the
magnitude of ms/office top posters to bear out that truth.   The
official handbook in its current format does not address this. Since
its 3/1//05 public domain release this install guide has been
visited 1500 times and downloaded 216 times.  This was mostly from
people who responded from the UNIX news groups  postings.
The best thing for the FreeBSD doc group to do is request to be an
official mirror of the Install guide. Hay the Doc group will have
the best win win situation here. They get an alternate view of the
install process that is maintained outside of the FreeBSD project.
Much like the pf  firewall has its own self maintained user guide.
Now this is something to think about.

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Re: New Freebsd Install Guide Available

[Jerry McAllister]

> 
> As stated in the content displayed by those URL's  the Install guide
> is free to anyone to download and very plainly states the content is
> contributed to public domain.
> So  why are so many people asking the same question when the answer
> is so self evident?
> 
> And this writer takes offence to anybody calling the promoting of
> this Install guide as verbally trashing the handbook.
> I don't need to do that.  Many others have done that over the years.
> Any regular reader of the list will know that the handbook content
> has had many people voicing concern over its  less than basic
> ability to convey meaningful instructions.  No need to open that
> flame war again.

 
Well, both types of documentation are needed.   The official formal
documentation, which, of necessity , needs to be written in a rather
formal language style and other explanitory docs for newbies and
those of us who need a more conversational and step by step style
at least to get started at things.   There are several good books
out with more conversational style and some reasonable web sites
with tutorials.
 
The only problem with many of the web sites and even the books is
that they tend to take a personal preference prejucidial attitude
toward things rather than encouraging readers to try out various
things and giving them instruction toward those other choices.
Some examples are installing and using Gnome.   To read some guides,
one would think it is impossible to run FreeBSD without Gnome.
Some seem to imply it is absolutely necessary to install a third
party MBR/boot manager such as Grub to boot FreeBSD, just because
they like it.  Some tend to think the only possible shell to use
is bash or sh and anyone using something else can't possibly get their
work done.  The list could go on.
 
But, in spite of that, the "third party" guides are useful and
helpful.   Just realize that, even more than the official handbook,
they represent personally unique situations, opinions and preferences
as well as useful information.
 
> ... much excised.
>
> Another important niche this FreeBSD Install Guide covers is that it
> is downloadable direct to ms/window boxes and can be viewed using
> the ms/explorer browser.  You UNIX purists have to accept the fact
> that there are many ms/win users who want to be FreeBSD users and
> dual win/FreeBSD users out there and this Install guide opens up a
> bridge to the FreeBSD operating system to service this untapped
> potential user group.  Just watch the posts on the list for the
> magnitude of ms/office top posters to bear out that truth.   The
> official handbook in its current format does not address this. Since
> its 3/1//05 public domain release this install guide has been
> visited 1500 times and downloaded 216 times.  This was mostly from
> people who responded from the UNIX news groups  postings.

I don't understand - the handbook is available online to any
web browser, including ms exploder.

Anyway, anything that helps people use FreeBSD is good.

jerry
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Re: New Freebsd Install Guide Available

[Randy Pratt]

On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 01:03:24 -0400
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Hill
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 10:47 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Randy Pratt; Giorgos Keramidas;
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: New Freebsd Install Guide Available
> 
> On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > YES there is something major wrong with the official handbook.
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > The FreeBSD Install Guide is mirrored at the following sites.
> >
> > http://freebsd.easyasthat.co.uk/
> > http://www.unixguide.net/freebsd/fbsd_installguide/index.php
> > http://freebsd.packards-home.net/index.php
> > www.a1poweruser.com
> > http://freebsdinfo.org/
> > http://freebsd.a1poweruser.com:6088/
> > http://freebsd.95mb.com/
> 
> Since all of these URLs (those which respond, at least) go to
> essentially the same content, I have a few questions: 1) Who wrote
> this?
> 1a) Could it be Joseph Barbish? 2) Regardless, could the author be
> persuaded to contribute his/her wisdom to the official
> documentation,
> rather than verbally trash the latter?
> 
> Persipiring minds want to know.

Oops.. You're absolutely right Chris, it is the same:

  http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/mid.cgi?20040308154441.GA73721

I didn't recognize the poster as the one who created that document and
tried to peddle it for money last year.  It was another of those
never-ending threads so rather than pollute the list lets just drop
this.  Its just not worth the time or bandwidth.

My apologies to the list.  I will be more careful in the future.

Best regards,

Randy


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RE: New Freebsd Install Guide Available

[bob]

As stated in the content displayed by those URL's  the Install guide
is free to anyone to download and very plainly states the content is
contributed to public domain.
So  why are so many people asking the same question when the answer
is so self evident?

And this writer takes offence to anybody calling the promoting of
this Install guide as verbally trashing the handbook.
I don't need to do that.  Many others have done that over the years.
Any regular reader of the list will know that the handbook content
has had many people voicing concern over its  less than basic
ability to convey meaningful instructions.  No need to open that
flame war again.

The bottom line is the firewall section of this Install guide has
been  lifted and used to replace the FreeBSD official  handbook's
complete firewall section all ready. Any body can lift any part of
the install guide and put forth their own effort to use it as source
to replace other sections of the official handbook. There is nothing
stopping you so go for it.

This Install guide has a much more meaningful index which is right
there all the time helping the reader to navigate the guides
different subjects.  The presentation method of the index and
content on split screen is more in line with modern web content that
every ones sees these days. Plus the install Guide progresses in an
step by step manner from installing the base default system all the
way up to configurating a private LAN which can masquerade as a
commercial user.  This address the desired server configuration most
often wanted by the majority the first time posters to this
questions list.

Another important niche this FreeBSD Install Guide covers is that it
is downloadable direct to ms/window boxes and can be viewed using
the ms/explorer browser.  You UNIX purists have to accept the fact
that there are many ms/win users who want to be FreeBSD users and
dual win/FreeBSD users out there and this Install guide opens up a
bridge to the FreeBSD operating system to service this untapped
potential user group.  Just watch the posts on the list for the
magnitude of ms/office top posters to bear out that truth.   The
official handbook in its current format does not address this. Since
its 3/1//05 public domain release this install guide has been
visited 1500 times and downloaded 216 times.  This was mostly from
people who responded from the UNIX news groups  postings.

The best thing for the FreeBSD doc group to do is request to be an
official mirror of the Install guide. Hay the Doc group will have
the best win win situation here. They get an alternate view of the
install process that is maintained outside of the FreeBSD project.
Much like the pf  firewall has its own self maintained user guide.
Now this is something to think about.



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 10:47 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Randy Pratt; Giorgos Keramidas;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: New Freebsd Install Guide Available

On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> YES there is something major wrong with the official handbook.

[snip]

> The FreeBSD Install Guide is mirrored at the following sites.
>
> http://freebsd.easyasthat.co.uk/
> http://www.unixguide.net/freebsd/fbsd_installguide/index.php
> http://freebsd.packards-home.net/index.php
> www.a1poweruser.com
> http://freebsdinfo.org/
> http://freebsd.a1poweruser.com:6088/
> http://freebsd.95mb.com/

Since all of these URLs (those which respond, at least) go to
essentially the same content, I have a few questions: 1) Who wrote
this?
1a) Could it be Joseph Barbish? 2) Regardless, could the author be
persuaded to contribute his/her wisdom to the official
documentation,
rather than verbally trash the latter?

Persipiring minds want to know.

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Re: New Freebsd Install Guide Available

[Chris Hill]

On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
YES there is something major wrong with the official handbook.
[snip]
The FreeBSD Install Guide is mirrored at the following sites.
http://freebsd.easyasthat.co.uk/
http://www.unixguide.net/freebsd/fbsd_installguide/index.php
http://freebsd.packards-home.net/index.php
www.a1poweruser.com
http://freebsdinfo.org/
http://freebsd.a1poweruser.com:6088/
http://freebsd.95mb.com/
Since all of these URLs (those which respond, at least) go to 
essentially the same content, I have a few questions: 1) Who wrote this? 
1a) Could it be Joseph Barbish? 2) Regardless, could the author be 
persuaded to contribute his/her wisdom to the official documentation, 
rather than verbally trash the latter?

Persipiring minds want to know.
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RE: New Freebsd Install Guide Available

[bob]

What you didn't read the complete content of the message.
You just wanted to see this,  your meaningless out of context mesg
on the list.



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> YES there is something major wrong with the official handbook.
The
> majority of the content is written like the reader already has
good
> understanding of how FreeBSD works. It is not detailed enough for
> someone who has no previous experience with Unix like operating
> systems.

As others have pointed out to you, why not contribute to the
official
documentation, rather than making FreeBSD more like Linux with
dozens of
different (conflicting, and most often *all* wrong) sources of
documentation?

Best Regards,
Christopher Nehren
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Re: New Freebsd Install Guide Available

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> YES there is something major wrong with the official handbook.  The
> majority of the content is written like the reader already has good
> understanding of how FreeBSD works. It is not detailed enough for
> someone who has no previous experience with Unix like operating
> systems.

As others have pointed out to you, why not contribute to the official
documentation, rather than making FreeBSD more like Linux with dozens of
different (conflicting, and most often *all* wrong) sources of
documentation?

Best Regards,
Christopher Nehren
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New Freebsd Install Guide Available

[bob]

YES there is something major wrong with the official handbook.  The
majority of the content is written like the reader already has good
understanding of how FreeBSD works. It is not detailed enough for
someone who has no previous experience with Unix like operating
systems.

The referenced Install guide gives clear step by step instructions.
It only uses the sysinstall process to lay down the default
operating system from cdrom. Then step by step instruction on which
/etc conf files need to be edited and with what data needs to be
added and why.  It completely side steps the many un-documented
sysinstall options as functions only necessary for advanced users.

If you were current on the content of the handbook you will see that
the handbooks complete section on firewalls has been replaced with
the complete firewall section from the Install guide we are talking
about.

AND if you had accessed the Install guide you would have see that it
is available to everyone for download and viewing on their own PC.
It is public domain and the FreeBSD-Doc group can incorporate it
into the handbook or make it a separate install guide for beginners.

The FreeBSD Install Guide is mirrored at the following sites.


http://freebsd.easyasthat.co.uk/
http://www.unixguide.net/freebsd/fbsd_installguide/index.php
http://freebsd.packards-home.net/index.php
www.a1poweruser.com
http://freebsdinfo.org/
http://freebsd.a1poweruser.com:6088/
http://freebsd.95mb.com/




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Keramidas
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 5:43 AM
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: question

On 2005-04-03 00:11, Randy Pratt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 22:30:13 -0500
>"fbsd_user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Reinstall from scratch using cd install disk.  Keep trying until
you
>> get it correct.  That's how you learn FreeBSD.
>>
>> Follow instructions from this url
>> http://freebsd.easyasthat.co.uk/
>
> Is there something wrong with the installation instructions at:
>
>
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.ht
ml
>
> I keep seeing you recommend that site (yours?) as the instructions
to
> follow.

It's ok.  There may be very good bits there (I haven't had a chance
to
read the entire document yet), so it's not very bad to suggest using
it.

If there are parts that we could include in the official FreeBSD
doc/
tree, that would be great too.

So, if anyone has used the aforementioned guide and found parts that
are
not covered by the official docs, please mail either me directly or
the
freebsd-doc list.

> If there's something lacking in the official instructions,
wouldn't it
> be better to update those so they get a proper peer review?

Agreed.  Updating the official documentation, where it lacks, seems
like
a good thing.

- Giorgos

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Re: C Language Style Guide

[Murray Taylor]

On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 10:21, Michael Madden wrote:
> Is there an accepted standard C language style guide.  I'm starting to develop
> and test my applications on FreeBSD, and I want to ensure my code is readable
> and maintainable.  I've been able to find specific project's guidelines like
> the following, but I can find a general standard.  Does ANSI or POSIX dictate
> anything about style or coding standards?
> 
> Apache: http://httpd.apache.org/dev/styleguide.html
> GNU: http://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike
> 

man indent

This may give you [a] some guidance [b] a tool
that you can setup with a set of project defaults.

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Re: C Language Style Guide

[Tabor Kelly]

Michael Madden wrote:
Is there an accepted standard C language style guide.  I'm starting to develop
and test my applications on FreeBSD, and I want to ensure my code is readable
and maintainable.  I've been able to find specific project's guidelines like
the following, but I can find a general standard.  Does ANSI or POSIX dictate
anything about style or coding standards?
Apache: http://httpd.apache.org/dev/styleguide.html
GNU: http://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/
Thanks,
Mike
Giorgos Keramidas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> pointed out that their is a 
 FreeBSD style guide. There is also a GNU style guide, 
(http://www.nongnu.org/style-guide/) but the GNU people point out that 
what is more important than following their guide, it maintaining 
consistency within 1 project/product.

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Re: C Language Style Guide

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On 2005-01-25 17:21, Michael Madden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there an accepted standard C language style guide.

No.  This is a common topic in comp.lang.c (despite the fact that style
questions are off-topic) but there is no "universal, one true style".
You may find a lot of suggestions by browsing the archives of the
newsgroup though.

> I'm starting to develop and test my applications on FreeBSD, and I
> want to ensure my code is readable and maintainable.

If you are developing code _for_ FreeBSD, then there is a set of style
guidelines.  You can read it on every FreeBSD system:

% man 9 style

If, on the other hand, you are developing applications for your own use,
the specific style doesn't matter so much, as long as you like it.

> Does ANSI or POSIX dictate anything about style or coding standards?

Not really.

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C Language Style Guide

[Michael Madden]

Is there an accepted standard C language style guide.  I'm starting to develop
and test my applications on FreeBSD, and I want to ensure my code is readable
and maintainable.  I've been able to find specific project's guidelines like
the following, but I can find a general standard.  Does ANSI or POSIX dictate
anything about style or coding standards?

Apache: http://httpd.apache.org/dev/styleguide.html
GNU: http://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/

Thanks,
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Re: FreeBSD Device Driver Guide

[Alastair G. Hogge]

On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 20:32, Balakumar Velmurugan wrote:
> Hello,
>   Is there any published book or online guide for writing
> FreeBSD device driver ?. I know a O'reily book for Linux called "Linux
> Device Drivers", is anything like that exist for FreeBSD ?.
Check out:

* http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/arch-handbook/
* http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/
Also you may want to download the FreeBSD docporj source and build the 
books/articles yourself. Read The Handbook for more info.

> Thanks in advance.
>
> Bala
-Alastair
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FreeBSD Device Driver Guide

[Balakumar Velmurugan]

Hello,
 Is there any published book or online guide for writing 
FreeBSD device driver ?. I know a O'reily book for Linux called "Linux 
Device Drivers", is anything like that exist for FreeBSD ?.

Thanks in advance.
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RE: setting up bind newbie guide?

[Foster, ThomasX]

http://www.section6.net/help

Hope this helps..

Thomas Foster

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hi,

id like to run bind to setup a dns server on a machine of mine, but i
never used it before.  does anyone know of a simple tutorial or
website that explains it?

thanks

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setting up bind newbie guide?

[robg]

hi,

id like to run bind to setup a dns server on a machine of mine, but i
never used it before.  does anyone know of a simple tutorial or
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Re: Guide to x.org update?

[Joshua Tinnin]

On Tuesday 29 June 2004 05:29 am, Geert Hendrickx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> I followed Matthew's instructions to upgrade from XFree86-4.3 to X.org and
> it worked well.  It took about 14 hours on my laptop (a P3 with 64Mb or
> RAM).  I have not recompiled any other packages and I haven't had any
> troubles so far.
>
> Here's how I did it exactly:



I know this post was from a few weeks ago, but I just wanted to thank you 
profusely for this info. After considering that XFree86 will no longer be the 
default X server in FreeBSD soon, and that many distros are also switching, 
in addition to the fact that XFree86 doesn't recognize my video card no 
matter what I did, I finally took the plunge and installed X.org. Thanks to 
your explicit instructions, so far it's running without a hitch (and now I 
can also get 1600X1200 resolution, a necessary thing on my 21" monitor). I 
had considered just yanking XFree and installing X.org, but I'm pleased to 
know a better method that allows portupgrade to get the new dependencies 
correct.

Kudos.

- jt
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Re: GUIDE

[Jon Drews]

Hi:

 You can follow the instructions here:
http://www.silbsd.org/cvsup_instructions2.html
However in step B change:
#
src-all tag=RELENG_4_8
#

to:

#
src-all tag=RELENG_4_9
#

I also urge you to read Section 9 of the FreeBSD handbook:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig.html

and section 22:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cutting-edge.html

The FreeBSD handbook is the authority on accepted admin and
configuration practices.

I would also suggest reading this before updating your ports collection:
http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/08/28/FreeBSD_Basics.html

In fact the entire FreeBSD Basics series is quite good:
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/ct/15

Books I would recommend :
 "FreeBSD: An Open-Source OS for your PC"
http://www.bsdmall.com/freebosforyo.html

The Complete FreeBSD
http://www.bsdmall.com/cofr.html

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>  hello there,
> 
> i have FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE installed in my machine.. but i need to upgrade my 
> 4.9-RELEASE to 4.9-STABLE. any help?
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Re: GUIDE

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On Tue, 6 Jul 2004, snoop dogg wrote:
hello there,
i have FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE installed in my machine.. but i need 
to upgrade my 4.9-RELEASE to 4.9-STABLE. any help? and tips on 
what to do? bcoz im kinda scared of kernel panic and crush 
thenks i need to know what file is needed to download to 
upgrade and commands.. exact commands.. thanks buddy's out 
there if ya have a time pls mail back thanks -- 
If you are really scared of panics and crashes, you should 
download the 4.10 -RELEASE cd and do a binary upgrade.

If not, you will find a description in
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/current-stable.html
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On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 07:14:10 +0800
"snoop dogg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  hello there, 
>  
> i have FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE installed in my machine.. but i need to
> upgrade my 4.9-RELEASE to 4.9-STABLE. any help? and tips on what to do?
> bcoz im kinda scared of kernel panic and crush thenks i need to know what
> file is needed to download to upgrade and commands.. exact commands..
> thanks buddy's out there if ya have a time pls mail back thanks  -- 

you want to read the handbook, paying close attention to the sections
which deal with cvsup and make world.  all the info is there and it is
clearly written.  there is a copy of the handbook on your machine and
also one on the freebsd website.

you can also google for this information.  there are many tutorials out
there.  just be careful not to skip any of the steps recommended in
handbook.  shortcuts can backfire, even if they're in a tutorial you find
somewhere on the net.

hope this helps.

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i have FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE installed in my machine.. but i need to upgrade my 
4.9-RELEASE to 4.9-STABLE. any help? and 
tips on what to do? bcoz im kinda scared of kernel panic and crush thenks i need to 
know what file is needed to 
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Re: WinKey doesn't work in X.org? (was Re: Guide to x.org update?)

[Vulpes Velox]

On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:05:22 +0200
Geert Hendrickx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> One difference I noticed, after switching to X.org, is that my
> WinKey doesn't work anymore.  I used it a lot for custom keybindings
> in IceWM.  
> 
> Any clue, anyone?  

Check and make sure the kb is set correctly in the Xconfig or possible
IceWM bug?


I don't use IceWM, but fluxbox-devel... and mod4 works fine in both
xorg and xfree86


/me has not noticed any differces between them yet other than xorg
refuses to compile on his 4x box
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Re: WinKey doesn't work in X.org? (was Re: Guide to x.org update?)

[epilogue]

On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:05:22 +0200
Geert Hendrickx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> One difference I noticed, after switching to X.org, is that my WinKey
> doesn't work anymore.  I used it a lot for custom keybindings in IceWM.  
> 
> Any clue, anyone?  

by your question, it sounds as though you didn't set your custom key
bindings in XFree directly, rather you did it via IceWM.  

this is just a guess, but you might want to reinstall Ice so that it
compiles with the X.org libraries.(anyone ?)


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WinKey doesn't work in X.org? (was Re: Guide to x.org update?)

[Geert Hendrickx]

One difference I noticed, after switching to X.org, is that my WinKey
doesn't work anymore.  I used it a lot for custom keybindings in IceWM.  

Any clue, anyone?  

GH
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Re: Guide to x.org update?

[Geert Hendrickx]

I followed Matthew's instructions to upgrade from XFree86-4.3 to X.org and it
worked well.  It took about 14 hours on my laptop (a P3 with 64Mb or RAM).  I
have not recompiled any other packages and I haven't had any troubles so far.  

Here's how I did it exactly:

cd /var/db/pkg
# so I can use tab-completion for the exact XFree86 version-numbers.  
pkg_deinstall XFree86-4.0.1,1
# This is the metaport.  I deinstall it first because later it would
# complain about the stale dependency to wrapper: 
pkg_deinstall wrapper-1.0_3
# This is used by XFree86, but not by xorg.  I remove it because I
# suspect it could cause trouble with x11/xorg-server.  
portupgrade -o devel/imake-6 imake-4.3.0_1
portupgrade -o x11/xorg-libraries XFree86-libraries-4.3.0_6
portupgrade -o x11/xorg-clients XFree86-clients-4.3.0_3
portupgrade -o x11-fonts/xorg-fonts-encodings XFree86-fontEncodings-4.3.0
portupgrade -o x11-fonts/xorg-fonts-100dpi XFree86-font100dpi-4.3.0
portupgrade -o x11-fonts/xorg-fonts-75dpi XFree86-font75dpi-4.3.0
portupgrade -o x11-fonts/xorg-fonts-cyrillic XFree86-fontCyrillic-4.3.0
portupgrade -o x11-fonts/xorg-fonts-miscbitmaps XFree86-fontDefaultBitmaps-4.3.0
portupgrade -o x11-fonts/xorg-fonts-truetype XFree86-fontScalable-4.3.0
portupgrade -o x11-servers/xorg-server XFree86-Server-4.3.0_14
portupgrade -o x11-servers/xorg-fontserver XFree86-FontServer-4.3.0_2
portupgrade -o x11/xorg-manpages XFree86-documents-4.3.0
# You could as well just pkg_deinstall XFree86-documents-4.3.0, 
# since xorg-manpages is not required by the x11/xorg metaport
cd /usr/ports/x11/xorg && make install clean
# This will additionally install x11-fonts/xorg-fonts-type1,
# x11-servers/xorg-vfbserver and x11-servers/xorg-printserver, which
# had no equivalents in XFree86.  
pkgdb -u
rehash

Now, `find /usr/X11R6 -name "*[Ffe]86*"` says I've still got quite some
XFree86-related files left, but according to pkg_which, most of them are
claimed by some xorg-package.  I have merged my custom XF86Config with a
generic xorg.conf and all seems to work well.  

GH
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Re: Guide to x.org update?

[Chris]

On Monday 28 June 2004 02:26 pm, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 02:45:08PM -0400, Jim Trigg wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 01:22:32PM -0500, Vulpes Velox wrote:
> > > On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:17:56 -0400
> > >
> > > Jim Trigg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > AFAICT, this won't really do anything -- there does not appear to be
> > > > a real way to tell the ports system that you want X ports to depend
> > > > on xorg instead of xfree.  Every X port appears to have xfree
> > > > hardcoded.
> > >
> > > Not sure, I think some do, but everything I have hear does not seem to
> > > have that problem.
> >
> > OK, so how do you get cvsup to use xorg?  As best I can tell, it will
> > depend on either XFree86 (XFree86 v. 3) or XFree86-4-libraries (XFree86
> > v. 4), with no option to depend on xorg-libraries.
>
> Both the XFree86-4-libraries and xorg-libraries provide the
> /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 shared library (amongst others).  It's the
> same ABI independent of which port the shlib comes from.
>
> The short answer is "just install the x11/xorg-libraries port before
> you install cvsup".
>
> In fact, cvsup works perfectly well even if you replace the XFree86
> libs with the xorg ones underneath a previously installed copy of
> cvsup.  Doesn't even need a recompile.  The same goes for most X based
> software.
>
> Here's how it works: when the Makefile in the cvsup port says
> "USE_XLIB" that gets transformed into a LIB_DEPENDS line in
> /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.ports.mk:
>
> LIB_DEPENDS+=   X11.6:${PORTSDIR}/x11/XFree86-4-libraries
>
> (assuming you've not got XFREE86_VERSION == 3).
>
> That LIB_DEPENDS line is in two parts separated by a colon.  The first
> bit:
>
> X11.6
>
> means that the port needs to link against libX11.so.6, and it checks
> to see if a suitable shlib is installed and accessible by grep'ing in
> the output of ldconfig:
>
> % ldconfig -r | fgrep X11.6
> 116:-lX11.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6
>
> Since last night on my system that's from:
>
> % pkg_info -W /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6
> /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 was installed by package
> xorg-libraries-6.7.0
>
> If make(1) can find a suitable shlib, everything is happy and the
> compile continues -- all make looks for is the presence of the
> library.  It doesn't check what (if any) port the library is part of.
> Only if it can't find the correct shlib does the right hand side of
> that LIB_DEPENDS line get considered:
>
> ${PORTSDIR}/x11/XFree86-4-libraries
>
> That's simply a suggestion of a suitable port that will provide the
> required shlib, and fulfil the dependency.  But there are several such
> ports in the tree, any of which could be used.  Often in such
> situations there will be some sort of 'WANT_FOO' or 'WITH_FOO_VER'
> make variable to select which one gets used.  Unfortunately, no such
> mechanism for saying "I want X.Org ports in preference to XFree86
> ones" has yet been committed.
>
> One annoyance due to the lake of make(1) infrastructure is that the
> suggested port will be listed in the package dependencies of the
> installed port, rather than the actual port that provided the shlib
> you used to build against.  That, however, is just an administrative
> detail which you can fix up with pkgdb(1), and has no real bearing on
> the effectiveness of the software.
>
>   Cheers,
>
>   Matthew

Odd - all I did was remove XFree, install the Xorg meta-port. Rename 
XF86Config to xorgcfg in /etc/X11R6, restart X and bingo. 

Now, I am cvsup'in as we speak - then again, I don't use the gui version of 
cvsup. 

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Re: Guide to x.org update?

[Matthew Seaman]

On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 02:45:08PM -0400, Jim Trigg wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 01:22:32PM -0500, Vulpes Velox wrote:
> > On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:17:56 -0400
> > Jim Trigg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > AFAICT, this won't really do anything -- there does not appear to be
> > > a real way to tell the ports system that you want X ports to depend
> > > on xorg instead of xfree.  Every X port appears to have xfree
> > > hardcoded.
> > 
> > Not sure, I think some do, but everything I have hear does not seem to
> > have that problem.
> 
> OK, so how do you get cvsup to use xorg?  As best I can tell, it will
> depend on either XFree86 (XFree86 v. 3) or XFree86-4-libraries (XFree86
> v. 4), with no option to depend on xorg-libraries.

Both the XFree86-4-libraries and xorg-libraries provide the
/usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 shared library (amongst others).  It's the
same ABI independent of which port the shlib comes from.

The short answer is "just install the x11/xorg-libraries port before
you install cvsup".

In fact, cvsup works perfectly well even if you replace the XFree86
libs with the xorg ones underneath a previously installed copy of
cvsup.  Doesn't even need a recompile.  The same goes for most X based
software.

Here's how it works: when the Makefile in the cvsup port says
"USE_XLIB" that gets transformed into a LIB_DEPENDS line in
/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.ports.mk:

LIB_DEPENDS+=   X11.6:${PORTSDIR}/x11/XFree86-4-libraries

(assuming you've not got XFREE86_VERSION == 3).

That LIB_DEPENDS line is in two parts separated by a colon.  The first
bit:

X11.6

means that the port needs to link against libX11.so.6, and it checks
to see if a suitable shlib is installed and accessible by grep'ing in
the output of ldconfig:

% ldconfig -r | fgrep X11.6
116:-lX11.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6

Since last night on my system that's from:

% pkg_info -W /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6
/usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 was installed by package xorg-libraries-6.7.0

If make(1) can find a suitable shlib, everything is happy and the
compile continues -- all make looks for is the presence of the
library.  It doesn't check what (if any) port the library is part of.
Only if it can't find the correct shlib does the right hand side of
that LIB_DEPENDS line get considered:

${PORTSDIR}/x11/XFree86-4-libraries

That's simply a suggestion of a suitable port that will provide the
required shlib, and fulfil the dependency.  But there are several such
ports in the tree, any of which could be used.  Often in such
situations there will be some sort of 'WANT_FOO' or 'WITH_FOO_VER'
make variable to select which one gets used.  Unfortunately, no such
mechanism for saying "I want X.Org ports in preference to XFree86
ones" has yet been committed.

One annoyance due to the lake of make(1) infrastructure is that the
suggested port will be listed in the package dependencies of the
installed port, rather than the actual port that provided the shlib
you used to build against.  That, however, is just an administrative
detail which you can fix up with pkgdb(1), and has no real bearing on
the effectiveness of the software.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: Guide to x.org update?

[Chris]

On Monday 28 June 2004 01:45 pm, Jim Trigg wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 01:22:32PM -0500, Vulpes Velox wrote:
> > On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:17:56 -0400
> >
> > Jim Trigg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > AFAICT, this won't really do anything -- there does not appear to be
> > > a real way to tell the ports system that you want X ports to depend
> > > on xorg instead of xfree.  Every X port appears to have xfree
> > > hardcoded.
> >
> > Not sure, I think some do, but everything I have hear does not seem to
> > have that problem.
>
> OK, so how do you get cvsup to use xorg?  As best I can tell, it will
> depend on either XFree86 (XFree86 v. 3) or XFree86-4-libraries (XFree86
> v. 4), with no option to depend on xorg-libraries.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim

Well, you could always use cvsup-witout-gui.

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Re: Guide to x.org update?

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> > On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 12:13:53PM -0500, Vulpes Velox wrote:

> > > build xorg-server, deinstall it, reinstall, it use pkgdb -uF to
> > > fix :)

Doing:

# portupgrade -o x11-servers/xorg-server -f XFree86-Server-4.3.0_14

will substitute the X.Org version for the XFree one with minimal
hassle and automatically take care of all of the pkgdb(1) stuff as
well.

> > > then repeat for what other xorg stuff you want :)

Actually, you should start with devel/imake-6, then do
x11/xorg-libraries, then x11/xorg-clients.  Then update the various
fonts and stuff -- there's almost a one-to-one mapping of XFree ports
onto X.Org ports, except for the x11-fonts/XFree86-4-fontScalable
port, which I chose to replace by x11-fonts/xorg-fonts-truetype, plus
installed x11-fonts/xorg-fonts-type1 after doing that.  The
x11-servers/XFree86-4-NestServer port doesn't seem to have an X.Org
equivalent.  Keep x11-servers/xorg-servers till last but one.
Finally, pkg_delete the x11/XFree86-4 meta-port, and install x11/xorg.

I did have some trouble with compiling the graphics/dri port after the
imake and X11 libraries updates.  That's something that
x11-servers/xorg-servers depends on under i386 arch. You can
substitute graphics/dri-devel, which seems to work just fine.

> > > the pkgdb -uF is important... it will go through and update
> > > /var/db/pkg so that all ports recognize using the new xlibs and
> > > don't try to reinstall xfree86...

If you use portupgrade to substitute the X.Org port for the XFree86
ones as I describe above, you don't need to continually keep
re-running pkgdb -F. However, you will need to run pkgdb every time
you unpdate or install any X related port from now on.

The good news is most X dependent ports will run just fine without a
re-compile.  The only one I had any trouble with was
multimedia/mplayer, and that was fixed by reinstalling.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: Guide to x.org update?

[Jim Trigg]

On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 01:22:32PM -0500, Vulpes Velox wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:17:56 -0400
> Jim Trigg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > AFAICT, this won't really do anything -- there does not appear to be
> > a real way to tell the ports system that you want X ports to depend
> > on xorg instead of xfree.  Every X port appears to have xfree
> > hardcoded.
> 
> Not sure, I think some do, but everything I have hear does not seem to
> have that problem.

OK, so how do you get cvsup to use xorg?  As best I can tell, it will
depend on either XFree86 (XFree86 v. 3) or XFree86-4-libraries (XFree86
v. 4), with no option to depend on xorg-libraries.

Thanks,
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Re: Guide to x.org update?

[Peter Ulrich Kruppa]

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004, Andrew L. Gould wrote:
I was unaware that FreeBSD switched to X.org from XFree86.  Did we
switch or is there name confusion?  Are both offered in the newer
ports?
FreeBSD didn't switch. xorg is an alternative to xfree86 and 
some people try if it works.
See www.x.org and google for discussions.

Regards,
Uli.
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Re: Guide to x.org update?

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On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:17:56 -0400
Jim Trigg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 12:13:53PM -0500, Vulpes Velox wrote:
> > On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 09:10:12 -0700 (PDT)
> > Your Name <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > I'd like to upgrade to the x.org series from XFree86.
> > > Is there any simple guide to how to do this? There's 
> > > nothing in /usr/ports/UPDATING. I see that some people
> > > have reported general success, but I'm worried that 
> > > I'll miss something or forget about rebuilding
> > > something in the three days it'll take to rebuild
> > > every X dependent
> > > port on my system.
> > 
> > build xorg-server, deinstall it, reinstall, it use pkgdb -uF to
> > fix :)
> > 
> > then repeat for what other xorg stuff you want :)
> > 
> > the pkgdb -uF is important... it will go through and update
> > /var/db/pkg so that all ports recognize using the new xlibs and
> > don't try to reinstall xfree86...
> > 
> > pkgdb is part of portupgrade
> 
> AFAICT, this won't really do anything -- there does not appear to be
> a real way to tell the ports system that you want X ports to depend
> on xorg instead of xfree.  Every X port appears to have xfree
> hardcoded.

Not sure, I think some do, but everything I have hear does not seem to
have that problem.
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Re: Guide to x.org update?

[Chris]

On Monday 28 June 2004 12:13 pm, Vulpes Velox wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 09:10:12 -0700 (PDT)
>
> Your Name <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'd like to upgrade to the x.org series from XFree86.
> > Is there any simple guide to how to do this? There's
> > nothing in /usr/ports/UPDATING. I see that some people
> > have reported general success, but I'm worried that
> > I'll miss something or forget about rebuilding
> > something in the three days it'll take to rebuild
> > every X dependent
> > port on my system.
>
> build xorg-server, deinstall it, reinstall, it use pkgdb -uF to fix :)
>
> then repeat for what other xorg stuff you want :)
>
> the pkgdb -uF is important... it will go through and update
> /var/db/pkg so that all ports recognize using the new xlibs and don't
> try to reinstall xfree86...
>
> pkgdb is part of portupgrade

Indeed - what I have found out - You can't install xorg while XFree resides on 
the same system. It seems you would need to uninstall XFree before installing 
xorg.

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Re: Guide to x.org update?

[Jim Trigg]

On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 12:13:53PM -0500, Vulpes Velox wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 09:10:12 -0700 (PDT)
> Your Name <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I'd like to upgrade to the x.org series from XFree86.
> > Is there any simple guide to how to do this? There's 
> > nothing in /usr/ports/UPDATING. I see that some people
> > have reported general success, but I'm worried that 
> > I'll miss something or forget about rebuilding
> > something in the three days it'll take to rebuild
> > every X dependent
> > port on my system.
> 
> build xorg-server, deinstall it, reinstall, it use pkgdb -uF to fix :)
> 
> then repeat for what other xorg stuff you want :)
> 
> the pkgdb -uF is important... it will go through and update
> /var/db/pkg so that all ports recognize using the new xlibs and don't
> try to reinstall xfree86...
> 
> pkgdb is part of portupgrade

AFAICT, this won't really do anything -- there does not appear to be a
real way to tell the ports system that you want X ports to depend on xorg
instead of xfree.  Every X port appears to have xfree hardcoded.

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Re: Guide to x.org update?

[Vulpes Velox]

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 09:10:12 -0700 (PDT)
Your Name <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'd like to upgrade to the x.org series from XFree86.
> Is there any simple guide to how to do this? There's 
> nothing in /usr/ports/UPDATING. I see that some people
> have reported general success, but I'm worried that 
> I'll miss something or forget about rebuilding
> something in the three days it'll take to rebuild
> every X dependent
> port on my system.

build xorg-server, deinstall it, reinstall, it use pkgdb -uF to fix :)

then repeat for what other xorg stuff you want :)

the pkgdb -uF is important... it will go through and update
/var/db/pkg so that all ports recognize using the new xlibs and don't
try to reinstall xfree86...

pkgdb is part of portupgrade
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