Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-16 Thread perryh
Wojciech Puchar woj...@tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:

 there will no no next language. there is no need to have C follower.
 C is perfect

Which C are you referring to here?  The original KR, ANSI, or some
other variant?  ANSI C is different enough from KR C -- in strength
of typing if nothing else -- that some would say ANSI C _is_ the
next language following KR C.
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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-16 Thread Julian H. Stacey
per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
 Wojciech Puchar woj...@tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
 
  there will no no next language. there is no need to have C follower.
  C is perfect
 
 Which C are you referring to here?  The original KR, ANSI, or some
 other variant?  ANSI C is different enough from KR C -- in strength
 of typing if nothing else -- that some would say ANSI C _is_ the
 next language following KR C.


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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-15 Thread Wojciech Puchar

implemented at all -- but BCPL developed a following.  Someone
(at Bell Labs?) produced a derivative called B, from which a few
researchers at Murray Hill derived C.  Thus the question:  should
the next language in the series be named D (next alphabetically)
or P (next letter of BCPL)?
there will no no next language. there is no need to have C follower. C is 
perfect

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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-15 Thread Arthur Chance

On 11/14/10 20:44, Gary Kline wrote:

TWo questions: didn't IBM create CPL? And doesn't BCPL
Stand for British Computer Programming Language?  (I did have
both editions of the C book by Brian and DEnnis; then loaned the
2nd edition and never got ti back.)  I think Dennis gives credit
to BCPL Somewhere.  Pretty sure those guys are all retired to
somewhere *warm and sunny* by now!


According to Wikipedia:

 The Combined Programming Language (CPL) was a computer programming
 language developed jointly between the Mathematical Laboratory at the
 University of Cambridge and the University of London Computer Unit
 during the 1960s hence CPL gained the nickname Cambridge Plus London

Martin Richards, who invented/first implemented BCPL is technically 
retired but still active here in Cambridge (the UK one):


http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mr10/index.html

[Note the address of Cambridge Computer Lab :-)]

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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-15 Thread Ian Smith
In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 337, Issue 1, Message: 19
On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 17:29:10 -0700 Chad Perrin wrote:
  On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 02:39:32PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
   
  About 2000, 2001 was when I shucked my muuz game/mind-machine 
  effort.  It was over 10K line of C-ish code that I rehacked into 
  C++.  Figured since C++ was _the_ new language that it was a 
  good move.  Then I realized how you could spend a lifetime
  learning C++ I backed off and kept it simple.

Deftly avoiding the whirlpool.  Delphi was the similar suck from Pascal.

  Hardly new.  It hasn't been the Next Big Thing since the '80s.  Java was
  the Next Big Thing in the '90s.  We don't exactly have a new Next Big
  Thing for the '00s, from what I can see -- and maybe that's a good thing.
 
  Agile development is the Next Big Thing for development methodologies,
  but that's a somewhat separate issue.

Whatever that means, I'll take your word for it :)

  Yeah, it's on amazon.com, but my bible {seriously!} is good
  enough.  Dog-earned and coffee-stained; but it's the same as the
  2nd Ed.  The 2nd is ANSI-ified, IIRC.
  
  That's correct -- 2nd Ed is the ANSI C version of basically the same
  text.

Hey, didn't know I had a rare '78 first ed; ANSI not even in the index. 
I confess to buying it secondhand in '94 from a likely sorry bloke, and 
wonder if anyone's published a diff (ono) to the 2nd ed?

But my most dog-eared, tabbed and note-stuffed reference is Kernighan  
Plauger's Software Tools in Pascal ('81) - lovely if only for quality of 
the writing and typesetting.  Appropriate thread for a little heresy? :)

cheers, Ian
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History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-14 Thread perryh
Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
 On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 02:32:04PM -0600, Robert Bonomi wrote:
  should the one-leter name for 'c++' be 'd' or 'p'?
  (nobody could decide/agree, which *IS* why it is 'c++'
  to this day)

 ... D is already another programming language ...

It wasn't back then :)

 I don't know what this P has to do with it.

You have revealed yourself as a newbie :)

In the beginning there was CPL, the Combined Programming Language.
It was large enough to be infeasible to implement using then-current
technologies, so the Bootstrap Combined Programming Language (BCPL)
was invented, with the intent that the first CPL compiler would be
written in BCPL.

CPL never amounted to much -- I don't know whether it was ever
implemented at all -- but BCPL developed a following.  Someone
(at Bell Labs?) produced a derivative called B, from which a few
researchers at Murray Hill derived C.  Thus the question:  should
the next language in the series be named D (next alphabetically)
or P (next letter of BCPL)?
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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-14 Thread Sergio de Almeida Lenzi


 
 CPL never amounted to much -- I don't know whether it was ever
 implemented at all -- but BCPL developed a following.  Someone
 (at Bell Labs?) produced a derivative called B, from which a few
 researchers at Murray Hill derived C.  Thus the question:  should
 the next language in the series be named D (next alphabetically)
 or P (next letter of BCPL)?

Wow!!!  I had forgotten... I have done some projects using BCPL... in a
mainframe (S370) running
MVS in the 70's...
it was lightning fast. we had made a kind of TSO (time sharing option)
that runs on top
of VTAM, to bring online compile and run cobol programs to the
desktop...   
while a batch work responds  in 3 hours, a TSO (written in bcpl)
responds in seconds...

Thanks for remember the good old days ...
it is still active!!! = http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mr10/BCPL.html


Sergio
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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-14 Thread Robert Bonomi
 From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org  Sun Nov 14 03:09:59 2010
 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 01:00:35 -0800
 From: per...@pluto.rain.com
 To: per...@apotheon.com
 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Subject: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
  On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 02:32:04PM -0600, Robert Bonomi wrote:
   should the one-leter name for 'c++' be 'd' or 'p'?
   (nobody could decide/agree, which *IS* why it is 'c++'
   to this day)
 
  ... D is already another programming language ...

 It wasn't back then :)

  I don't know what this P has to do with it.

 You have revealed yourself as a newbie :)

 In the beginning there was CPL, the Combined Programming Language.
 It was large enough to be infeasible to implement using then-current
 technologies, so the Bootstrap Combined Programming Language (BCPL)
 was invented, with the intent that the first CPL compiler would be
 written in BCPL.

 CPL never amounted to much -- I don't know whether it was ever
 implemented at all -- but BCPL developed a following.

Trivia:  BCPL was the _first_ programming language to use 'curly braces'
to group statements.  It also used '//' to indroduce a 'single-line comment'.

Someone
 (at Bell Labs?) 

Ken Thompson, 1969

 produced a derivative called B, from which a few
 researchers at Murray Hill derived C.

Mostly one.  Dennis Ritchie, circa 1972.  Brian Kernighan contributed, 
and Ken stuck his oar in occasionally.

Thus the question:  should
 the next language in the series be named D (next alphabetically)
 or P (next letter of BCPL)?


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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 01:00:35AM -0800, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
 
  ... D is already another programming language ...
 
 It wasn't back then :)

It is now, though, so it's a little late.  So sorry.


 
  I don't know what this P has to do with it.
 
 You have revealed yourself as a newbie :)

No -- I've revealed myself as someone who doesn't care nearly as much
about C++ as about C.


 
 In the beginning there was CPL, the Combined Programming Language.
 It was large enough to be infeasible to implement using then-current
 technologies, so the Bootstrap Combined Programming Language (BCPL)
 was invented, with the intent that the first CPL compiler would be
 written in BCPL.
 
 CPL never amounted to much -- I don't know whether it was ever
 implemented at all -- but BCPL developed a following.  Someone
 (at Bell Labs?) produced a derivative called B, from which a few
 researchers at Murray Hill derived C.  Thus the question:  should
 the next language in the series be named D (next alphabetically)
 or P (next letter of BCPL)?

. . . and there was a flamewar over it, blah blah blah, and finally it
was C++.  Okay.  Good historical reference.  Thanks.

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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-14 Thread Gary Kline
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 01:00:35AM -0800, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
  On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 02:32:04PM -0600, Robert Bonomi wrote:
   should the one-leter name for 'c++' be 'd' or 'p'?
   (nobody could decide/agree, which *IS* why it is 'c++'
   to this day)
 
  ... D is already another programming language ...
 
 It wasn't back then :)
 
  I don't know what this P has to do with it.
 
 You have revealed yourself as a newbie :)
 
 In the beginning there was CPL, the Combined Programming Language.
 It was large enough to be infeasible to implement using then-current
 technologies, so the Bootstrap Combined Programming Language (BCPL)
 was invented, with the intent that the first CPL compiler would be
 written in BCPL.
 
 CPL never amounted to much -- I don't know whether it was ever
 implemented at all -- but BCPL developed a following.  Someone
 (at Bell Labs?) produced a derivative called B, from which a few
 researchers at Murray Hill derived C.  Thus the question:  should
 the next language in the series be named D (next alphabetically)
 or P (next letter of BCPL)?


I'd vote for E since that might have more positive
connotations that D.  :-)  Skip F altogether.

Just about the whole Murray Hill gang stopped by Cray 
(in Chippewa Falls), late 80's, and I remember asking Dennis
what the deal was with C++; I remember him dodging the
thing.  Whoever-invented-C++ did a convoluted job, i s my
opinion.  It might be nice to add classes to C, but that's
about it.

TWo questions: didn't IBM create CPL? And doesn't BCPL
Stand for British Computer Programming Language?  (I did have
both editions of the C book by Brian and DEnnis; then loaned the
2nd edition and never got ti back.)  I think Dennis gives credit
to BCPL Somewhere.  Pretty sure those guys are all retired to
somewhere *warm and sunny* by now!

gary


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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 12:44:50PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
 
   I'd vote for E since that might have more positive
   connotations that D.  :-)  Skip F altogether.

That might be a good point.

Google has taught me that single-letter names for programming languages
(or anything else, apparently) are not so good for the Internet age,
however.


 
   Just about the whole Murray Hill gang stopped by Cray 
   (in Chippewa Falls), late 80's, and I remember asking Dennis
   what the deal was with C++; I remember him dodging the
   thing.  Whoever-invented-C++ did a convoluted job, i s my
   opinion.  It might be nice to add classes to C, but that's
   about it.

Perhaps ironically, some called C++ C With Classes early on, as I
recall.  Meanwhile, Objective-C ended up being what C++ initially claimed
it would be (a strict superset of C that provided facilities for OOP),
while C++ failed to live up to its own promises while expanding into all
kinds of things that were not actually desired in those early days (like
a politician once elected to office).  This is, of course, largely the
perspective of an outsider, so take it for what it's worth.


 
   TWo questions: didn't IBM create CPL? And doesn't BCPL
   Stand for British Computer Programming Language?  (I did have
   both editions of the C book by Brian and DEnnis; then loaned the
   2nd edition and never got ti back.)  I think Dennis gives credit
   to BCPL Somewhere.  Pretty sure those guys are all retired to
   somewhere *warm and sunny* by now!

The second edition is still in stores all over the place.  It's the first
edition that would be difficult to find these days, I think.  My father
tells me he has a copy, though I've never seen it; I only have the second
edition.

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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-14 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Gary Kline on Sunday, 14 November 2010:
 
 
   Just about the whole Murray Hill gang stopped by Cray 
   (in Chippewa Falls), late 80's, and I remember asking Dennis
   what the deal was with C++; I remember him dodging the
   thing.  Whoever-invented-C++ did a convoluted job, i s my
   opinion.  It might be nice to add classes to C, but that's
   about it.
 
The inventor of C++ is Bjarne Stroustrop.  I had the chance opportunity
to sit down at a table with him and have a conversation prior to an SD
West conference several years ago.  He's a nice guy, with a great sense
of humor -- but even he admits C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the
foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do it blows your whole leg off.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bjarne_Stroustrup

 
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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-14 Thread Gary Kline
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 02:41:41PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
 On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 12:44:50PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
  
  I'd vote for E since that might have more positive
  connotations that D.  :-)  Skip F altogether.
 
 That might be a good point.
 
 Google has taught me that single-letter names for programming languages
 (or anything else, apparently) are not so good for the Internet age,
 however.


I won't argue the point! but how about IEEE?  I subscribed
to that for years and some people noted that spoken as a word,
Ieee was like the primal scream!  Hm maybe the EEE
language?!
 
 
  
  Just about the whole Murray Hill gang stopped by Cray 
  (in Chippewa Falls), late 80's, and I remember asking Dennis
  what the deal was with C++; I remember him dodging the
  thing.  Whoever-invented-C++ did a convoluted job, i s my
  opinion.  It might be nice to add classes to C, but that's
  about it.
 
 Perhaps ironically, some called C++ C With Classes early on, as I
 recall.  Meanwhile, Objective-C ended up being what C++ initially claimed
 it would be (a strict superset of C that provided facilities for OOP),
 while C++ failed to live up to its own promises while expanding into all
 kinds of things that were not actually desired in those early days (like
 a politician once elected to office).  This is, of course, largely the
 perspective of an outsider, so take it for what it's worth.
 

About 2000, 2001 was when I shucked my muuz game/mind-machine 
effort.  It was over 10K line of C-ish code that I rehacked into 
C++.  Figured since C++ was _the_ new language that it was a 
good move.  Then I realized how you could spend a lifetime
learning C++ I backed off and kept it simple.

 
  
  TWo questions: didn't IBM create CPL? And doesn't BCPL
  Stand for British Computer Programming Language?  (I did have
  both editions of the C book by Brian and DEnnis; then loaned the
  2nd edition and never got ti back.)  I think Dennis gives credit
  to BCPL Somewhere.  Pretty sure those guys are all retired to
  somewhere *warm and sunny* by now!
 
 The second edition is still in stores all over the place.  It's the first
 edition that would be difficult to find these days, I think.  My father
 tells me he has a copy, though I've never seen it; I only have the second
 edition.


Yeah, it's on amazon.com, but my bible {seriously!} is good
enough.  Dog-earned and coffee-stained; but it's the same as the
2nd Ed.  The 2nd is ANSI-ified, IIRC.

gary
 
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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 02:02:49PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote:
 Quoth Gary Kline on Sunday, 14 November 2010:
  
  
  Just about the whole Murray Hill gang stopped by Cray 
  (in Chippewa Falls), late 80's, and I remember asking Dennis
  what the deal was with C++; I remember him dodging the
  thing.  Whoever-invented-C++ did a convoluted job, i s my
  opinion.  It might be nice to add classes to C, but that's
  about it.
  
 The inventor of C++ is Bjarne Stroustrop.  I had the chance opportunity
 to sit down at a table with him and have a conversation prior to an SD
 West conference several years ago.  He's a nice guy, with a great sense
 of humor -- but even he admits C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the
 foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do it blows your whole leg off.
 http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bjarne_Stroustrup

There's always the theory that Bjarne Stroustrup actually meant C++ as a
joke:

http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/I_did_it_for_you_all

It's generally regarded as a hoax, and there is an actually published
interview that corresponds with this time period in IEEE's Computer
Magazine that reads quite differently from this.  Still . . . if this is
real, it would certainly explain a lot.

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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-14 Thread Gary Kline
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 02:02:49PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote:
 Quoth Gary Kline on Sunday, 14 November 2010:
  
  
  Just about the whole Murray Hill gang stopped by Cray 
  (in Chippewa Falls), late 80's, and I remember asking Dennis
  what the deal was with C++; I remember him dodging the
  thing.  Whoever-invented-C++ did a convoluted job, i s my
  opinion.  It might be nice to add classes to C, but that's
  about it.
  
 The inventor of C++ is Bjarne Stroustrop.  I had the chance opportunity
 to sit down at a table with him and have a conversation prior to an SD
 West conference several years ago.  He's a nice guy, with a great sense
 of humor -- but even he admits C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the
 foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do it blows your whole leg off.
 http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bjarne_Stroustrup
 

I'm sure I had my share of disasters with C++ hacking test code
, but OMG, the head banging was nothing compared to heavy C
coding in the early days.   The number of segv's brings back
evil memories:-)  That, and having to take a notebook and draw
out where you were [or _thought_ you were] pointing to.
--Things they can't teach very well in the classroom-- that sort
of stuff.

Great quote!


  
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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-14 Thread Gary Kline
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 03:37:15PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
 On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 02:02:49PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote:
  Quoth Gary Kline on Sunday, 14 November 2010:
   
   
 Just about the whole Murray Hill gang stopped by Cray 
 (in Chippewa Falls), late 80's, and I remember asking Dennis
 what the deal was with C++; I remember him dodging the
 thing.  Whoever-invented-C++ did a convoluted job, i s my
 opinion.  It might be nice to add classes to C, but that's
 about it.
   
  The inventor of C++ is Bjarne Stroustrop.  I had the chance opportunity
  to sit down at a table with him and have a conversation prior to an SD
  West conference several years ago.  He's a nice guy, with a great sense
  of humor -- but even he admits C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the
  foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do it blows your whole leg off.
  http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bjarne_Stroustrup
 
 There's always the theory that Bjarne Stroustrup actually meant C++ as a
 joke:
 
 http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/I_did_it_for_you_all
 
 It's generally regarded as a hoax, and there is an actually published
 interview that corresponds with this time period in IEEE's Computer
 Magazine that reads quite differently from this.  Still . . . if this is
 real, it would certainly explain a lot.
 


Hmmm.  I'll ck out the quote when I'm using evo.  I honestly
doesn't see C++ as any joke--or attempt to be.  What I can't 
grok is the supposed re-useability.  Was/Isn't a big part of
C++ supposed to be that you could easily reuse part of proven,
flawless code?  I probably never got that far into learning the
language.  I have and still do edit, cut/paste, hammer and saw
away at my C examples to get at functions that are reusable.


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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 02:39:32PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
 
   About 2000, 2001 was when I shucked my muuz game/mind-machine 
   effort.  It was over 10K line of C-ish code that I rehacked into 
   C++.  Figured since C++ was _the_ new language that it was a 
   good move.  Then I realized how you could spend a lifetime
   learning C++ I backed off and kept it simple.

Hardly new.  It hasn't been the Next Big Thing since the '80s.  Java was
the Next Big Thing in the '90s.  We don't exactly have a new Next Big
Thing for the '00s, from what I can see -- and maybe that's a good thing.

Agile development is the Next Big Thing for development methodologies,
but that's a somewhat separate issue.


 
   Yeah, it's on amazon.com, but my bible {seriously!} is good
   enough.  Dog-earned and coffee-stained; but it's the same as the
   2nd Ed.  The 2nd is ANSI-ified, IIRC.

That's correct -- 2nd Ed is the ANSI C version of basically the same
text.

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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-14 Thread Charlie Kester

On Sun 14 Nov 2010 at 16:29:10 PST Chad Perrin wrote:

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 02:39:32PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote:


About 2000, 2001 was when I shucked my muuz game/mind-machine
effort.  It was over 10K line of C-ish code that I rehacked into
C++.  Figured since C++ was _the_ new language that it was a
good move.  Then I realized how you could spend a lifetime
learning C++ I backed off and kept it simple.


Hardly new.  It hasn't been the Next Big Thing since the '80s.  Java was
the Next Big Thing in the '90s.  We don't exactly have a new Next Big
Thing for the '00s, from what I can see -- and maybe that's a good


I'd say the Next Big Thing in the '00s was Python ... or was it XML?

BTW, it's now the '10s.  ;-)
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Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?)

2010-11-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 09:54:42PM -0800, Charlie Kester wrote:
 
 I'd say the Next Big Thing in the '00s was Python ... or was it XML?

Python hasn't been dominant enough.  *Maybe* XML -- but that might be a
bit of a stretch.  It might be a couple years before we can identify it.

Hm.  Maybe JavaScript . . . ?  You know, that AJAXy thing.


 
 BTW, it's now the '10s.  ;-)

Yeah, but there obviously hasn't been a Next Big Thing programming
language for the '10s yet.  Give it time.

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