Re: How known?
In the last episode (Dec 01), Gary Kline said: On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 10:39:03PM -0600, Dan Nelson wrote: In the last episode (Dec 01), Gary Kline said: Be nice to suggest to the mutt folks to let this be turned on only for certain email. I *have* tried to sub to the mutt mailinglist, but never get any responce. AFAIK, there is no forum, so maybe it's time to roll my own hack! Not even a bounce message back? That's odd. You can try posting to the list via the gmane interface, or join the #mutt irc channel on irc.freenode.net and see if anyone can help there. No bounceback, nada. I'm wondering if it's dead for the time being. I haven't a clue about the irc stuff. --- I'm on the mutt-dev list, which gets a couple messages a day, so the list software itself is working. -- Dan Nelson dnel...@allantgroup.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How known?
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 09:19:38AM -0600, Dan Nelson wrote: In the last episode (Dec 01), Gary Kline said: On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 10:39:03PM -0600, Dan Nelson wrote: In the last episode (Dec 01), Gary Kline said: Be nice to suggest to the mutt folks to let this be turned on only for certain email. I *have* tried to sub to the mutt mailinglist, but never get any responce. AFAIK, there is no forum, so maybe it's time to roll my own hack! Not even a bounce message back? That's odd. You can try posting to the list via the gmane interface, or join the #mutt irc channel on irc.freenode.net and see if anyone can help there. No bounceback, nada. I'm wondering if it's dead for the time being. I haven't a clue about the irc stuff. --- I'm on the mutt-dev list, which gets a couple messages a day, so the list software itself is working. -- Dan Nelson dnel...@allantgroup.com Okay. I chose the mutt-users list. I'll check the others. -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 7.31a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
How known?
hey, mail gurus, how is this possible? thru evolution:: This is a receipt for the mail you sent to x...@msn.com at 12/1/2009 12:43 PM This receipt verifies that the message has been displayed on the recipient's computer at 12/1/2009 1:55 PM -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 7.31a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How known?
On Dec 1, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Gary Kline wrote: hey, mail gurus, how is this possible? thru evolution:: This is a receipt for the mail you sent to x...@msn.com at 12/1/2009 12:43 PM This receipt verifies that the message has been displayed on the recipient's computer at 12/1/2009 1:55 PM Most mail user agents have an option to enable read receipts; they use (or abuse) the DSN or MDN capabilities of the recipient's MTA or MUA. They are not a reliable signal that a human has seen the mail, although they can be used to confirm it at least got to the recipient's mail server or were processed by their MUA. Knowledgeable mail admins tend to disable them as being needlessly intrusive and wasteful of resources. Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How known?
On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 03:15:25PM -0800, Chuck Swiger wrote: On Dec 1, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Gary Kline wrote: hey, mail gurus, how is this possible? thru evolution:: This is a receipt for the mail you sent to x...@msn.com at 12/1/2009 12:43 PM This receipt verifies that the message has been displayed on the recipient's computer at 12/1/2009 1:55 PM Most mail user agents have an option to enable read receipts; they use (or abuse) the DSN or MDN capabilities of the recipient's MTA or MUA. They are not a reliable signal that a human has seen the mail, although they can be used to confirm it at least got to the recipient's mail server or were processed by their MUA. What are DSN and MDN, please? Knowledgeable mail admins tend to disable them as being needlessly intrusive and wasteful of resources. I understand that. I feel like Giorgos Keramidas: don't want people tracking my every move. And in most cases, it's a dontcare for me. But for people like XYZ above, who is involved with my book, I 8DO* care if she got my message. gary Regards, -- -Chuck -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 7.31a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How known?
On Dec 1, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Gary Kline wrote: Most mail user agents have an option to enable read receipts; they use (or abuse) the DSN or MDN capabilities of the recipient's MTA or MUA. They are not a reliable signal that a human has seen the mail, although they can be used to confirm it at least got to the recipient's mail server or were processed by their MUA. What are DSN and MDN, please? Delivery Status Notification, Message Disposition Notification -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How known?
On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 04:05:17PM -0800, Chuck Swiger wrote: On Dec 1, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Gary Kline wrote: Most mail user agents have an option to enable read receipts; they use (or abuse) the DSN or MDN capabilities of the recipient's MTA or MUA. They are not a reliable signal that a human has seen the mail, although they can be used to confirm it at least got to the recipient's mail server or were processed by their MUA. What are DSN and MDN, please? Delivery Status Notification, Message Disposition Notification Wow; amazing. i'Ve been checking thru /usr/local/etc/Muttrc and found something interesting. This, circa lins #2900 ++: # Specifies how to sort messages in the index menu. Valid values # are: # #date or date-sent #date-received #from #mailbox-order (unsorted) #score #size #subject #threads #to but nowhere to specify the date-received. Strange, yes? wait::: dsn # set dsn_notify= # # Name: dsn_notify # Type: string # Default: # Be nice to suggest to the mutt folks to let this be turned on only for certain email. I *have* tried to sub to the mutt mailinglist, but never get any responce. AFAIK, there is no forum, so maybe it's time to roll my own hack! thanks muchly, gary mutt forum, so maybe it's time to roll my own hack! -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 7.31a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How known?
In the last episode (Dec 01), Gary Kline said: On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 04:05:17PM -0800, Chuck Swiger wrote: On Dec 1, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Gary Kline wrote: Most mail user agents have an option to enable read receipts; they use (or abuse) the DSN or MDN capabilities of the recipient's MTA or MUA. They are not a reliable signal that a human has seen the mail, although they can be used to confirm it at least got to the recipient's mail server or were processed by their MUA. What are DSN and MDN, please? Delivery Status Notification, Message Disposition Notification Wow; amazing. i'Ve been checking thru /usr/local/etc/Muttrc and found something interesting. This, circa lins #2900 ++: # Specifies how to sort messages in the index menu. Valid values # are: # #date or date-sent #date-received #from #mailbox-order (unsorted) #score #size #subject #threads #to but nowhere to specify the date-received. Strange, yes? hm? 2nd line says date-received. Or did you mean something else? wait::: dsn # set dsn_notify= # # Name: dsn_notify # Type: string # Default: # Be nice to suggest to the mutt folks to let this be turned on only for certain email. I *have* tried to sub to the mutt mailinglist, but never get any responce. AFAIK, there is no forum, so maybe it's time to roll my own hack! Not even a bounce message back? That's odd. You can try posting to the list via the gmane interface, or join the #mutt irc channel on irc.freenode.net and see if anyone can help there. The mutt method for changing options based on specific criteria is called hooks. In your case, you want to use a send hook like this: send-hook . set dsn_notify=none send-hook ~t u...@host.com set dsn_notify=failure,delay,success Note that dsn is only delivery notification; it doesn't let you know that a message has been read. For that, you can try send-hook . unmy_hdr Disposition-Notification-To: send-hook ~t u...@host.com my_hdr Disposition-Notification-To: m...@email.com , but even if your recipient's mailer understands that header, most let the user turn it off if they want. -- Dan Nelson dnel...@allantgroup.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How known?
On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 10:39:03PM -0600, Dan Nelson wrote: In the last episode (Dec 01), Gary Kline said: On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 04:05:17PM -0800, Chuck Swiger wrote: On Dec 1, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Gary Kline wrote: Most mail user agents have an option to enable read receipts; they use (or abuse) the DSN or MDN capabilities of the recipient's MTA or MUA. They are not a reliable signal that a human has seen the mail, although they can be used to confirm it at least got to the recipient's mail server or were processed by their MUA. What are DSN and MDN, please? Delivery Status Notification, Message Disposition Notification Wow; amazing. i'Ve been checking thru /usr/local/etc/Muttrc and found something interesting. This, circa lins #2900 ++: # [[ ... ]] Be nice to suggest to the mutt folks to let this be turned on only for certain email. I *have* tried to sub to the mutt mailinglist, but never get any responce. AFAIK, there is no forum, so maybe it's time to roll my own hack! Not even a bounce message back? That's odd. You can try posting to the list via the gmane interface, or join the #mutt irc channel on irc.freenode.net and see if anyone can help there. No bounceback, nada. I'm wondering if it's dead for the time being. I haven't a clue about the irc stuff. --- The mutt method for changing options based on specific criteria is called hooks. In your case, you want to use a send hook like this: send-hook . set dsn_notify=none send-hook ~t u...@host.com set dsn_notify=failure,delay,success Note that dsn is only delivery notification; it doesn't let you know that a message has been read. For that, you can try send-hook . unmy_hdr Disposition-Notification-To: send-hook ~t u...@host.com my_hdr Disposition-Notification-To: m...@email.com , but even if your recipient's mailer understands that header, most let the user turn it off if they want. I'm certainly guilty of not having read the entire Muttrc, but do not understand the hook options. I'll google around for info and look at the FAW on the mutt site. Really, it isn't *that* important. It is an option that would be nice to have. But not that often. gary -- Dan Nelson dnel...@allantgroup.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 7.31a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
