Re: How to be an imap Client?
In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 359, Issue 7, Message: 1 On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 21:27:13 -0700 per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: Actually yes. Ignoring for a moment the reply you sent me directly, conveniently bypassing the group forum, perry's message, like this one, was likely posted to you, cc the list. That's long been customary on freebsd lists, even this 'kindergarten' one; noone 'conveniently bypassed' anything. If you don't like private copies, sent as a courtesy, just delete them and move on. Wrong, it was sent directly, not CC'd. As per my stated policy, it was answered/referred to on the list forum. I am seriously considering changing that policy to also include reporting them as Spam. Before making any such accusations, you had better make D@#% sure of your facts, lest you find yourself on the wrong end of a libel suit. My email client respects Reply-To: and I checked my logs just to be sure. That reply, as this one, was sent _only_ to the list. Apologies for assuming you must have cc'd Jerry. I should have checked your original post in freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 359, Issue 4, which shows any ccs, but not headers such as Reply-To: per message .. Message: 23 Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 23:22:35 -0700 From: per...@pluto.rain.com Subject: Re: How to be an imap Client? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 4dafcd2c.tj0+rgq2u5+tzv2y%per...@pluto.rain.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 10:01:28 -0500 Martin McCormick mar...@dc.cis.okstate.edu articulated: ... our entire network is on the blacklist ... Why are you blacklisted? It seems correcting that problem would be my first priority. Being a university, okstate.edu has students, most of whom are not in the CIS department or in any way under control of the CIS department's sysadmin. Need I say more? -- Having admin'd small clubs of at most 25 members mostly using regularly virus-, trojan- and malware-infested Windows boxes, I can hardly imagine having to deal with perhaps half of 25,000 similarly vulnerable laptops, at least 1% of which will be trying hard to spam or portscan the planet at any given time - nearly all, as Martin points out, without intent or knowledge of their poor blighted owners .. and they're a smarter crew! cheers, Ian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How to be an imap Client?
Ian Smith smi...@nimnet.asn.au wrote: Apologies for assuming you must have cc'd Jerry. I should have checked your original post in freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 359, Issue 4, which shows any ccs, but not headers such as Reply-To: per message .. That wasn't aimed at you, Ian, but at Jerry's threat to report something as spam without checking his facts. Absent the threat I would simply have told him that he was wrong. Your assumption was entirely reasonable (and couldn't have been disproved via the digest or archives anyway, since those would not show the Bcc: recipients had there been any). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How to be an imap Client?
Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 10:01:28 -0500 Martin McCormick mar...@dc.cis.okstate.edu articulated: ... our entire network is on the blacklist ... Why are you blacklisted? It seems correcting that problem would be my first priority. Being a university, okstate.edu has students, most of whom are not in the CIS department or in any way under control of the CIS department's sysadmin. Need I say more? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How to be an imap Client?
On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 23:22:35 -0700 per...@pluto.rain.com per...@pluto.rain.com articulated: Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 10:01:28 -0500 Martin McCormick mar...@dc.cis.okstate.edu articulated: ... our entire network is on the blacklist ... Why are you blacklisted? It seems correcting that problem would be my first priority. Being a university, okstate.edu has students, most of whom are not in the CIS department or in any way under control of the CIS department's sysadmin. Need I say more? Actually yes. Ignoring for a moment the reply you sent me directly, conveniently bypassing the group forum, are you implying that these students are using the University's web mail for possible illegal actions and no one is policing that action? -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ It's not the fall that kills you, it's the landing. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How to be an imap Client?
On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 07:34:32 -0400 Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 23:22:35 -0700 per...@pluto.rain.com per...@pluto.rain.com articulated: Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 10:01:28 -0500 Martin McCormick mar...@dc.cis.okstate.edu articulated: ... our entire network is on the blacklist ... Why are you blacklisted? It seems correcting that problem would be my first priority. Being a university, okstate.edu has students, most of whom are not in the CIS department or in any way under control of the CIS department's sysadmin. Need I say more? Actually yes. Ignoring for a moment the reply you sent me directly, conveniently bypassing the group forum, are you implying that these students are using the University's web mail for possible illegal actions and no one is policing that action? He's suggesting that mail sent direct-to-mx from arbitrary university IP addresses is unlikely to be trustworthy. I presume that when the OP said our entire network is on the blacklist, he meant that the university has put everything but it's own mailservers, into the Policy Blocklist, and that he is trying to run an unofficial mailserver. As regards the original question, unless I missed an RFC or Microsoft implemented something proprietary, you can't send outgoing mail through IMAP. The normal solution to the problem is to configure sendmail to relay through a submission server. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How to be an imap Client?
On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 07:34:32 -0400 Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 23:22:35 -0700 per...@pluto.rain.com per...@pluto.rain.com articulated: Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 10:01:28 -0500 Martin McCormick mar...@dc.cis.okstate.edu articulated: ... our entire network is on the blacklist ... Why are you blacklisted? It seems correcting that problem would be my first priority. Being a university, okstate.edu has students, most of whom are not in the CIS department or in any way under control of the CIS department's sysadmin. Need I say more? Actually yes. Ignoring for a moment the reply you sent me directly, conveniently bypassing the group forum, perry's message, like this one, was likely posted to you, cc the list. That's long been customary on freebsd lists, even this 'kindergarten' one; noone 'conveniently bypassed' anything. If you don't like private copies, sent as a courtesy, just delete them and move on. The last thing we need is people here to troll on behalf of M$ stamping their feet, demanding we change the way we've always used these lists. are you implying that these students are using the University's web mail for possible illegal actions and no one is policing that action? Ah Jerry, good to see you end your admonition with a little humour! cheers, ian He only does it to annoy, because he knows it teases -- Lewis Carroll ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How to be an imap Client?
On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 23:21:25 +1000 (EST) Ian Smith smi...@nimnet.asn.au articulated: On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 07:34:32 -0400 Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 23:22:35 -0700 per...@pluto.rain.com per...@pluto.rain.com articulated: Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 10:01:28 -0500 Martin McCormick mar...@dc.cis.okstate.edu articulated: ... our entire network is on the blacklist ... Why are you blacklisted? It seems correcting that problem would be my first priority. Being a university, okstate.edu has students, most of whom are not in the CIS department or in any way under control of the CIS department's sysadmin. Need I say more? Actually yes. Ignoring for a moment the reply you sent me directly, conveniently bypassing the group forum, perry's message, like this one, was likely posted to you, cc the list. That's long been customary on freebsd lists, even this 'kindergarten' one; noone 'conveniently bypassed' anything. If you don't like private copies, sent as a courtesy, just delete them and move on. Wrong, it was sent directly, not CC'd. As per my stated policy, it was answered/referred to on the list forum. I am seriously considering changing that policy to also include reporting them as Spam. The last thing we need is people here to troll on behalf of M$ stamping their feet, demanding we change the way we've always used these lists. You are referring to the way you have always done things. See previously posted comments on CC'ing and you will readily find that it is not a universally accepted method. I will admit that it is mostly the preferred method of narcissists. are you implying that these students are using the University's web mail for possible illegal actions and no one is policing that action? Ah Jerry, good to see you end your admonition with a little humour! cheers, ian He only does it to annoy, because he knows it teases -- Lewis Carroll No humor intended. I have read another post that might also describe why the network is being blacklisted. I firmly believe that a diligent SA (note the word diligent) could attempt to correct this problem. From past experience, those who are blacklisted are so listed due to their own fault and for the protection of others. Attempting to bypass such a listing is a favorite of Spammers and their ilk; as well as those who are attempting a thief of service as per the conditions stated by the IPs owner. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies, ignored and/or rerported as Spam. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How to be an imap Client?
On 21 April 2011 14:51, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies, ignored and/or rerported as Spam. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. s#\(re\)r\(ported\)#\1\2# Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How to be an imap Client?
per...@pluto.rain.com writes: Being a university, okstate.edu has students, most of whom are not in the CIS department or in any way under control of the CIS department's sysadmin. Need I say more? Spot on. About 25,000 students and some of them respond to phishing attempts and make other poor management decisions, many of which are done with the best of intentions. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How to be an imap Client?
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 6:51 AM, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: No humor intended. I have read another post that might also describe why the network is being blacklisted. I firmly believe that a diligent SA (note the word diligent) could attempt to correct this problem. One of the things about working in a university environment is top-level network policies are often set by a separate campus-wide entity; sysadmins working on the department level often have no control over this. So the blacklisting decision may not be something he has the power to change. Also keep in mind that in a lot of university environments network access is uncontrolled. Where I work students can plug into any network jack and have full access. They do make an effort to react to and shut down compromised machines, but I can see why blacklisting IPs that aren't intended to have mail servers on them might seem like a reasonable proactive measure. There are blacklists that attempt to contain all home cable and DSL IP blocks for exactly this reason. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How to be an imap Client?
Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: Actually yes. Ignoring for a moment the reply you sent me directly, conveniently bypassing the group forum, perry's message, like this one, was likely posted to you, cc the list. That's long been customary on freebsd lists, even this 'kindergarten' one; noone 'conveniently bypassed' anything. If you don't like private copies, sent as a courtesy, just delete them and move on. Wrong, it was sent directly, not CC'd. As per my stated policy, it was answered/referred to on the list forum. I am seriously considering changing that policy to also include reporting them as Spam. Before making any such accusations, you had better make D@#% sure of your facts, lest you find yourself on the wrong end of a libel suit. My email client respects Reply-To: and I checked my logs just to be sure. That reply, as this one, was sent _only_ to the list. No humor intended. I have read another post that might also describe why the network is being blacklisted. I firmly believe that a diligent SA (note the word diligent) could attempt to correct this problem. Others have sufficiently addressed this portion of your tirade, I think. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
How to be an imap Client?
This FreeBSD system uses sendmail in normal smtp configuration. I use procmail and nmh to manage incoming messages and it all works great so I don't want to destroy all that. I do, however, need to use imap to send messages from this system through our Microsoft Exchange gateway because some systems use DNSBL and our entire network is on the blacklist so one must send from the gateway which, I guess, must be whitlisted. Is there any FreeBSD-compatible package that will act as a imap client so I can send messages, when needed, through the Exchange gateway and still preserve present smtp functionality? Many thanks. What a mess needing to send one message to one person is turning in to. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How to be an imap Client?
There is the Mail::IMAPClient perl module (or Net::IMAP::Simple, perl's about choice ;-) ) Ruben On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:01:28AM -0500, Martin McCormick typed: This FreeBSD system uses sendmail in normal smtp configuration. I use procmail and nmh to manage incoming messages and it all works great so I don't want to destroy all that. I do, however, need to use imap to send messages from this system through our Microsoft Exchange gateway because some systems use DNSBL and our entire network is on the blacklist so one must send from the gateway which, I guess, must be whitlisted. Is there any FreeBSD-compatible package that will act as a imap client so I can send messages, when needed, through the Exchange gateway and still preserve present smtp functionality? Many thanks. What a mess needing to send one message to one person is turning in to. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How to be an imap Client? Solved, somewhat
Ruben de Groot writes: There is the Mail::IMAPClient perl module (or Net::IMAP::Simple, perl's about choice ;-) ) Many thanks as this may come up again. In actuality, I was able to end up using simple SMPT mail to use our Exchange gateway. I just set that gateway as a smarthost which I thought I was already doing. I then made nmh generate the from line that we need for such messages and it now is going through the gateway as a smart host. Again thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How to be an imap Client?
On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 10:01:28 -0500 Martin McCormick mar...@dc.cis.okstate.edu articulated: I do, however, need to use imap to send messages from this system through our Microsoft Exchange gateway because some systems use DNSBL and our entire network is on the blacklist so one must send from the gateway which, I guess, must be whitlisted. Why are you blacklisted? It seems correcting that problem would be my first priority. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ Never tell a lie unless it is absolutely convenient. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
