How would you improve FreeBSD?

2006-02-17 Thread Kristian Vaaf


Hello.

Yes, how would you improve FreeBSD?

I am trying to paint a gloomy picture of where FreeBSD is headed.

Therefore I am asking all of you to share your thoughts and ideas of how
you would like to see FreeBSD improve. Chances are that's where our
operating system is headed.

1. Would you restructure FreeBSD somehow?
2. What features would you add?
3. What features would you remove?
4. What features would you simplify?
5. What features would you further develop?

If I've left out some questions that you feel would contribute to the
future well being of FreeBSD, don't hesitate to comment!

Thanks guys,
Vaaf

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RE: How would you improve FreeBSD?

2006-02-17 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


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Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 2:06 AM
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Subject: How would you improve FreeBSD?



Hello.

Yes, how would you improve FreeBSD?


I would start by making a rule that anyone asking how would you
improve FreeBSD on the mailing list be sentenced to write:

I will not post silly questions to the mailing list that are answered on
the website

several hundred times.  See:

http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/

I am trying to paint a gloomy picture of where FreeBSD is headed.

Therefore I am asking all of you to share your thoughts and ideas of how
you would like to see FreeBSD improve. Chances are that's where our
operating system is headed.

1. Would you restructure FreeBSD somehow?

http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/

2. What features would you add?

http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/

3. What features would you remove?

http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/

4. What features would you simplify?

http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/

5. What features would you further develop?


http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/

If I've left out some questions that you feel would contribute to the
future well being of FreeBSD, don't hesitate to comment!


http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/
!!

Ted

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RE: How would you improve FreeBSD?

2006-02-17 Thread Kristian Vaaf

At 13:11 17.02.2006, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:



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Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 2:06 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: How would you improve FreeBSD?



Hello.

Yes, how would you improve FreeBSD?


I would start by making a rule that anyone asking how would you
improve FreeBSD on the mailing list be sentenced to write:

I will not post silly questions to the mailing list that are answered on
the website

several hundred times.  See:

http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/

I am trying to paint a gloomy picture of where FreeBSD is headed.

Therefore I am asking all of you to share your thoughts and ideas of how
you would like to see FreeBSD improve. Chances are that's where our
operating system is headed.

1. Would you restructure FreeBSD somehow?

http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/

2. What features would you add?

http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/

3. What features would you remove?

http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/

4. What features would you simplify?

http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/

5. What features would you further develop?


http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/

If I've left out some questions that you feel would contribute to the
future well being of FreeBSD, don't hesitate to comment!


http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/
!!

Ted


No need to be so FUCKING arrogant.

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Re: How would you improve FreeBSD?

2006-02-17 Thread Bart Silverstrim


On Feb 17, 2006, at 8:23 AM, Kristian Vaaf wrote:


At 13:11 17.02.2006, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:



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Vaaf

Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 2:06 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: How would you improve FreeBSD?



Hello.

Yes, how would you improve FreeBSD?


I would start by making a rule that anyone asking how would you
improve FreeBSD on the mailing list be sentenced to write:

I will not post silly questions to the mailing list that are 
answered on

the website

several hundred times.  See:

http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/

I am trying to paint a gloomy picture of where FreeBSD is headed.

Therefore I am asking all of you to share your thoughts and ideas of 
how

you would like to see FreeBSD improve. Chances are that's where our
operating system is headed.

1. Would you restructure FreeBSD somehow?

http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/

2. What features would you add?

http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/

3. What features would you remove?

http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/

4. What features would you simplify?

http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/

5. What features would you further develop?


http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/

If I've left out some questions that you feel would contribute to the
future well being of FreeBSD, don't hesitate to comment!


http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/
!!

Ted


No need to be so FUCKING arrogant.


First, please tone down the language.  He didn't swear at you.  Don't 
escalate it.


Second, while Ted doesn't get the Medal of Subtlety award, he is a 
regular poster on the mailing list and does offer help to a number of 
people much of the time.  Sure, he's crotchety and curmudgeonly at 
times, but after being on these lists long enough he probably gets 
tired of seeing the same recycled questions and the same types of 
issues crop up over and over that are clearly written out in other 
resources if someone managed to open a browser and google with a couple 
keywords before belching out a quick email to a few thousand human list 
members to once again answer a question that has been covered in FAQs 
and handbooks.


I don't think it's been actively advertised that ideas are submitted 
through the website, though, Ted...you could have at least tried for a 
little more guidance and less ridicule on this one :-)


If there's a particular aspect you'd want to ask about, you could 
probably take that approach, or ask about something in ideas.  Until a 
listmom pokes in to tell you it should be in a discussion group, not 
questions group.


Just my two cents.  Not that it counts for anything.

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Re: How would you improve FreeBSD?

2006-02-17 Thread lars

Kristian Vaaf wrote:

At 13:11 17.02.2006, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:



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Subject: How would you improve FreeBSD?



Hello.

Yes, how would you improve FreeBSD?


I would start by making a rule that anyone asking how would you
improve FreeBSD on the mailing list be sentenced to write:

I will not post silly questions to the mailing list that are answered on
the website

several hundred times.  See:

http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/

I am trying to paint a gloomy picture of where FreeBSD is headed.

Therefore I am asking all of you to share your thoughts and ideas of how
you would like to see FreeBSD improve. Chances are that's where our
operating system is headed.

1. Would you restructure FreeBSD somehow?

http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/

2. What features would you add?

http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/

3. What features would you remove?

http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/

4. What features would you simplify?

http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/

5. What features would you further develop?


http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/

If I've left out some questions that you feel would contribute to the
future well being of FreeBSD, don't hesitate to comment!


http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/
!!

Ted


No need to be so FUCKING arrogant.

Thanks Ted and Kristian, had to chuckle there :-)
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RE: How would you improve FreeBSD?

2006-02-17 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


-Original Message-
From: Kristian Vaaf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 5:24 AM
To: Ted Mittelstaedt; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: How would you improve FreeBSD?



No need to be so FUCKING arrogant.


Hey, I was not trying to be arrogant, I was trying to be a smartass.

Please keep in mind that your posting to a mailing list that is
pretty well populated by FreeBSD proponents and when you
say things like:

I am trying to paint a gloomy picture of where FreeBSD is headed.

your asking for trouble.  If you had said you were trying to paint
a bright hopeful future for FreeBSD I would have been a lot gentler.
But the language your using is pretty unambigious, in my opinion,
you are basically saying point blank your here to cause trouble,
well you got trouble, so why are you complaining?

People don't come here to read gloom about FreeBSD, they
can go to the Linux groups for as much of that as they want.

I'm not exactly sure how painting a gloomy picture of anything is
supposed to help matters.  When I paint gloomy pictures of
the GPL and of Linux's lack of support for SATA I am certainly not
out to -help- them! :-)

Ted
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