Installing 9.1 without re-partitioning hard drive

2013-03-14 Thread leeoliveshackelford
Good afternoon, FreeBSD enthusiasts.  I am attempting to install FreeBSD 9.1 on 
a dual-boot configuration with Windows XP.  I am using bsdinstall.  I do not 
wish for the partition table to be changed.  How do I instruct bsdinstall to 
skip the re-partitioning step?  It gives an error message that it cannot write 
a certain file because the medium is write-only.  Any suggestions would be 
appreciated.  Yours truly, Newby Lee

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Installing 9.1 without re-partitioning hard drive

2013-03-14 Thread leeoliveshackelford
Good afternoon, FreeBSD enthusiasts.  I am attempting to install FreeBSD 9.1 on 
a dual-boot configuration with Windows XP.  I am using bsdinstall.  I do not 
wish for the partition table to be changed.  How do I instruct bsdinstall to 
skip the re-partitioning step?  It gives an error message that it cannot write 
a certain file because the medium is write-only.  Any suggestions would be 
appreciated.  Yours truly, Newby Lee 

I forgot to mention some additional facts:  The FreeBSD operating system is 
being installed from a d.v.d.  I partitioned the hard drive into two equal 
partitions before re-installing Windows XP.  Also, the following cryptic 
instruction was given to me by the bsdinstall program:  "When finished, mount 
the system at /mnt and place an fstab file for the new system at 
tmp/bsdinstall_etc/fstab.  Then type "exit".  Please, can anyone explain to me 
what this instruction is telling me to do, and give me some details as to how 
to perform these tasks?  Perhaps, also explain to me why I am supposed to do 
these things?  How do I mount the system at /mnt?  How do I compose an fstab 
file?  How do I place the fstab file at tmp/bsdinstall_etc/fstab, a directory 
that does not exist until the filesystem is built?  If the answers to any of 
these questions are explained in writing anywhere, please tell me where to 
look.  Thank you.  Again, yours truly, Newby Lee

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Installing 9.1 without re-partitioning hard drive

2013-03-15 Thread leeoliveshackelford
Good evening, Free BSD enthusiasts.  Thank you to each of the several people 
who have responded to my previous messages.  I have made significant progress, 
but am now flummoxed at the installation of the boot loader.  The handbook says 
to run this command, "boot0cfg -B ad0".  When I run this command, I get the 
following error message:  "Unable to get providername for ad0".  What is a 
provider name? How do I determine the provider name for ad0?  How do I 
communicate that information to boot0cfg?  I know that this problem has 
something to do with the "geom" command, but the "man geom" goes on for many 
pages.  While I think the answer may be in there somewhere, I could not find 
it.  Any and all comments will be appreciated.  Sincerely, Newby Lee

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Re: Installing 9.1 without re-partitioning hard drive

2013-03-14 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On Mar 15, 2013 12:48 AM,  wrote:
>
> Good afternoon, FreeBSD enthusiasts.  I am attempting to install FreeBSD
9.1 on a dual-boot configuration with Windows XP.  I am using bsdinstall.
 I do not wish for the partition table to be changed.  How do I instruct
bsdinstall to skip the re-partitioning step?  It gives an error message
that it cannot write a certain file because the medium is write-only.  Any
suggestions would be appreciated.  Yours truly, Newby Lee
>

You're trying to install to your windows partition, that won't work.

You need free space on the drive which implies shrinking your existing
partition.
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Re: Installing 9.1 without re-partitioning hard drive

2013-03-14 Thread Bejoy Thomas
Hi Lee,

One option to have a FreeBSD system on  winxp,  without any partitioning to the 
existing hard disk, is to have freebsd as a vm on virtualbox. For having a dual 
boot system you would need to partition the existing disk . If you have a 
second had disk you could select it and let FreeBSD partition it with the 
default configuration using "Entire Disk" . The FreeBSD handbook should help 
you 

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall-partitioning.html
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/install.html#windows-coexist

Bejoy Thomas

On 15-Mar-2013, at 5:14 AM,  
 wrote:

> Good afternoon, FreeBSD enthusiasts.  I am attempting to install FreeBSD 9.1 
> on a dual-boot configuration with Windows XP.  I am using bsdinstall.  I do 
> not wish for the partition table to be changed.  How do I instruct bsdinstall 
> to skip the re-partitioning step?  It gives an error message that it cannot 
> write a certain file because the medium is write-only.  Any suggestions would 
> be appreciated.  Yours truly, Newby Lee
> 
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Re: Installing 9.1 without re-partitioning hard drive

2013-03-14 Thread Ben Cottrell
Lee,

Are you using DOS-style or GPT partitions? I'm assuming DOS-style,
and the rest of this email is only correct if that's the case, so
correct me if I'm wrong.

There's actually two partition tables at work here -- the "big" one,
that lives at the start of the physical disk and divides up the
FreeBSD from the Windows.

Inside the FreeBSD "slice" (slice, partition, same thing, but just
to be clear, call it a slice) there's going to be *another* partition
table, to divide up the FreeBSD partitions amongst themselves. At a
bare minimum you're going to have two partitions (which are really
sub-partitions at this point), root and swap. Maybe even more.

So it seems to me like, if you can get to the point where the
FreeBSD installer recognizes the slice you've set aside for it, as
its own, then you can let it rewrite the partition table *inside
that slice* as much as it wants to. OK? Make sense?

You just don't want it to touch the *outer* one.

I honestly don't know enough about how the boot blocks work to
know if that's going to work, in the end. You might still end up
having to say yes to let it install FreeBSD boot blocks -- I don't
know.

But it seems to me like a prerequisite, in any case, is going to
be to set the FreeBSD partition to partition type 165, so that
the installer will recognize it as a FreeBSD slice. Is it already
partition type 165? If not, can you make it type 165 and see if
that changes anything?

~Ben
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Re: Installing 9.1 without re-partitioning hard drive

2013-03-15 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi,

On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 20:11:24 -0700 (PDT)
 wrote:

> Good evening, Free BSD enthusiasts.  Thank you to each of the several

good morning,


> people who have responded to my previous messages.  I have made
> significant progress, but am now flummoxed at the installation of the

this is good to hear.

> boot loader.  The handbook says to run this command, "boot0cfg -B
> ad0".  When I run this command, I get the following error message:
> "Unable to get providername for ad0".  What is a provider name? How
> do I determine the provider name for ad0?  How do I communicate that
> information to boot0cfg?  I know that this problem has something to
> do with the "geom" command, but the "man geom" goes on for many
> pages.  While I think the answer may be in there somewhere, I could
> not find it.  Any and all comments will be appreciated.  Sincerely,
> Newby Lee

ad0? This sounds like that it would overwrite the loader from your
Windows installation.

Did you read man gpart?

gpart should be able to show you the current layout of the disk. It is
also able to install the boot code you need.

If I remember, you want to have Windows and FreeBSD on the same disk.
So, you should have some kind of boot manager which will give you the
choice between them. Of course, you can use whatever boot manager you
want. The one which comes with FreeBSD is a bit simple but does its job.

Erich
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Re: Installing 9.1 without re-partitioning hard drive

2013-03-16 Thread Warren Block

On Fri, 15 Mar 2013, leeoliveshackelf...@surewest.net wrote:

Good evening, Free BSD enthusiasts.  Thank you to each of the several 
people who have responded to my previous messages.  I have made 
significant progress, but am now flummoxed at the installation of the 
boot loader.  The handbook says to run this command, "boot0cfg -B 
ad0".  When I run this command, I get the following error message: 
"Unable to get providername for ad0".


This message means there is no disk called ad0.  On FreeBSD 9.x, it is 
likely to be called ada0 instead.


I can't find that command in the Handbook.  Could you please point out 
where it is?

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OT: Installing 9.1 without re-partitioning hard drive

2013-03-18 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2013-03-17 at 15:37 -0700, leeoliveshackelf...@surewest.net wrote:
> Please Cc responses to the mailing list

I know that it's tolerated by the FreeBSD lists, but for most mailing
lists nowadays it's common to reply to the list only. Most MUA nowadays
provide an option to automatically reply to the list only. So IMO even
for this list the advice should at least be, "_if possible_ reply to the
list only", if you want receive a copy directly, than ask the OP "reply
to the list and (carbon copy) me, but don't address it to somebody
else".

2 Cents,
Ralf

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Fwd: Re: Installing 9.1 without re-partitioning hard drive

2013-03-17 Thread leeoliveshackelford

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On Sat, 16 Mar 2013, leeoliveshackelf...@surewest.net wrote:

Dear Mr. Block, Greetings.  Thank you for your response to my message. 
Your instruction to change the name of the disk drive from ah0 to aha0 
worked.  I can now boot FreeBSD.  The next trick will be to attempt to 
load X-windows, then gnome.  Even in "man gpart,"  some paragraphs 
refer to the first disk drive as "ah0," while other paragraphs refer 
to the first disk drive as "aha0."  Currently, I am trying to 
determine how to change my login shell to BASH.  I get the error 
message that BASH is not an approved shell.  (Apparently, I must 
somehow download it from some unspecified place.)


Please Cc responses to the mailing list, so others can help and learn.

See http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html 
about installing applications.  All of these applications are available 
in ports.


--- End Message ---
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Re: OT: Installing 9.1 without re-partitioning hard drive

2013-03-18 Thread Warren Block

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013, Ralf Mardorf wrote:


On Sun, 2013-03-17 at 15:37 -0700, leeoliveshackelf...@surewest.net wrote:

Please Cc responses to the mailing list


Actually, I had written that in a reply.


I know that it's tolerated by the FreeBSD lists, but for most mailing
lists nowadays it's common to reply to the list only. Most MUA nowadays
provide an option to automatically reply to the list only. So IMO even
for this list the advice should at least be, "_if possible_ reply to the
list only", if you want receive a copy directly, than ask the OP "reply
to the list and (carbon copy) me, but don't address it to somebody
else".


Standard practice for this list is to Cc the responder and the list, 
because people are not required to subscribe to post.

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Re: OT: Installing 9.1 without re-partitioning hard drive

2013-03-18 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2013-03-18 at 09:00 -0600, Warren Block wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Mar 2013, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Standard practice for this list is to Cc the responder and the list, 
> because people are not required to subscribe to post.

That makes sense and does explain why my last mail came through the
list, while my broken MUA didn't use the address, I used to subscribe to
this list. So a smarter MUA should provide different reply settings for
replying to different lists. I should take a look at the mailman
settings, since at the moment I receive 2 mails in case of Cc'ing, IIRC
this can be disabled.

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Re: OT: Installing 9.1 without re-partitioning hard drive

2013-03-18 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 09:15:43AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> On Sun, 2013-03-17 at 15:37 -0700, leeoliveshackelf...@surewest.net wrote:
> > Please Cc responses to the mailing list
> 
> I know that it's tolerated by the FreeBSD lists, but for most mailing
> lists nowadays it's common to reply to the list only. Most MUA nowadays
> provide an option to automatically reply to the list only. 

As a matter of fact, on the FreeBSD Questions list it is recommended 
to send to both the poster and the list.   On this list it is not
required to be subscribed to post.  It is an open list.

jerry
  

>  So IMO even
> for this list the advice should at least be, "_if possible_ reply to the
> list only", if you want receive a copy directly, than ask the OP "reply
> to the list and (carbon copy) me, but don't address it to somebody
> else".
> 
> 2 Cents,
> Ralf
> 
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Re: OT: Installing 9.1 without re-partitioning hard drive

2013-03-19 Thread Warren Block

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013, Ralf Mardorf wrote:


On Mon, 2013-03-18 at 09:00 -0600, Warren Block wrote:

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Standard practice for this list is to Cc the responder and the list,
because people are not required to subscribe to post.


That makes sense and does explain why my last mail came through the
list, while my broken MUA didn't use the address, I used to subscribe to
this list. So a smarter MUA should provide different reply settings for
replying to different lists. I should take a look at the mailman
settings, since at the moment I receive 2 mails in case of Cc'ing, IIRC
this can be disabled.


Mailing list settings may not help, since it's really up to the sender. 
But it's easy to filter out duplicates with maildrop or procmail.

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