Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-05 Thread Gökşin Akdeniz
>
> UEFI considerations drive Fedora to pay MSFT to sign their kernel
> binaries http://cwonline.computerworld.com/t/8035515/1292406/565573/0/
> 

That's restriction is only for ARM devices which have a label that says
"Desgined for Windows8". In other words those devices can not boot
another os except Windows 8 due to secure boot option enabled by
default.

The short and the long of it Microsoft is copying Apple on tablets with
ARM.

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Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-05 Thread Bruce Cran

On 05/06/2012 19:27, Antonio Olivares wrote:

I believe that should be unnecessary.  It would only be a matter of
time before someone breaks the M$ layer of poop that is supposed to
prevent folks from booting other OSes other than Window$.  They hit
the panic button too soon IMHO.


Press Delete/F1 during boot, select Advanced -> Trusted Computing. 
Change TCG/TPM Support to "No".  But according to Cory Doctorow, that's 
far too finicky and highly technical 
(http://boingboing.net/2012/05/31/lockdown-freeopen-os-maker-p.html)!


By the way it's not Microsoft's stuff people would have to break, but 
UEFI. I think secure boot actually makes sense, but preventing users 
disabling it or installing their own keys on ARM platforms is totally wrong.


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Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-05 Thread Polytropon
On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 11:19:26 -0700, Kurt Buff wrote:
> UEFI considerations drive Fedora to pay MSFT to sign their kernel binaries
> http://cwonline.computerworld.com/t/8035515/1292406/565573/0/

I may reply with another link:
http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html



> This would seem to make compiling from source difficult.

It won't need much time until hackers find a way to find
a way around booting restrictions. Maybe this is an additional
step needed to make non-"Windows" boot on then-current
hardware. A free market won't allow a situation come up
that requires the competitor to obtain a "permission"
by its concurrent to make his product work. It would
also show a "security feature" being an aspect of
"defective by design" regarding computer hardware
and its manufacturers.

Compiling from source? You don't even get that far! :-)



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Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-05 Thread Antonio Olivares
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
> UEFI considerations drive Fedora to pay MSFT to sign their kernel binaries
> http://cwonline.computerworld.com/t/8035515/1292406/565573/0/
>
> This would seem to make compiling from source difficult.
>

Red Hat is the one that is apparently paying for it.

I believe that should be unnecessary.  It would only be a matter of
time before someone breaks the M$ layer of poop that is supposed to
prevent folks from booting other OSes other than Window$.  They hit
the panic button too soon IMHO.

There is a thread on Fedora list about this and many people are unsure
that Red Hat paying for secure boot was the right thing to do.  See
the archives for references.

Regards,

Antonio
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Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-05 Thread Kurt Buff
UEFI considerations drive Fedora to pay MSFT to sign their kernel binaries
http://cwonline.computerworld.com/t/8035515/1292406/565573/0/

This would seem to make compiling from source difficult.

Kurt
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