Logo Contest Winner
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Re: FreeBSD Logo Contest -- whom to contact about?
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005, martinko wrote: also, could other submitted designs be seen somewhere? (at least top 5 of them) I'd like to see them as well. I suppose, if bold enough, one could mail the authors found at http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/result/ . I've come to belive that this http://phk.freebsd.dk/misc/640.png was one of the entries. -- Martin P. Hansen | () ASCII Ribbon Campaign | /\ Against HTML Email! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FreeBSD Logo Contest -- whom to contact about?
hello, i have got some comments about the winning logo design. who is/are the right person/persons to be contacted regarding this pls? also, could other submitted designs be seen somewhere? (at least top 5 of them) regards, martin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logo Contest Update?
On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 10:06:27AM -0400, Josh Ockert wrote: Please refrain from misinformation. But that's so hard for Ted! Kris pgpwWfIEUNikl.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: Logo Contest Update?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kris Kennaway Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 1:54 AM To: Josh Ockert Cc: Pratt, Benjamin E.; FreeBSD-Questions; Ted Mittelstaedt Subject: Re: Logo Contest Update? On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 10:06:27AM -0400, Josh Ockert wrote: Please refrain from misinformation. But that's so hard for Ted! Hey, I don't even have to try on this one - the lack of updates to the contest website says it all. When a contest can't meet it's own promises it does a far, far better job of discrediting itself than anything I could do. Ted -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.17/85 - Release Date: 8/30/2005 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logo Contest Update?
On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 04:57:31AM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kris Kennaway Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 1:54 AM To: Josh Ockert Cc: Pratt, Benjamin E.; FreeBSD-Questions; Ted Mittelstaedt Subject: Re: Logo Contest Update? On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 10:06:27AM -0400, Josh Ockert wrote: Please refrain from misinformation. But that's so hard for Ted! Hey, I don't even have to try on this one - the lack of updates to the contest website says it all. When a contest can't meet it's own promises it does a far, far better job of discrediting itself than anything I could do. Couldn't possibly be anything else, like, say, the person in charge being away, huh? Gotta keep those black helicopters circling! Kris pgpTcKuEitXxW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Logo Contest Update?
On 08/31/05 12:59 PM, Kris Kennaway sat at the `puter and typed: On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 04:57:31AM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kris Kennaway Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 1:54 AM To: Josh Ockert Cc: Pratt, Benjamin E.; FreeBSD-Questions; Ted Mittelstaedt Subject: Re: Logo Contest Update? On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 10:06:27AM -0400, Josh Ockert wrote: Please refrain from misinformation. But that's so hard for Ted! Hey, I don't even have to try on this one - the lack of updates to the contest website says it all. When a contest can't meet it's own promises it does a far, far better job of discrediting itself than anything I could do. Couldn't possibly be anything else, like, say, the person in charge being away, huh? Gotta keep those black helicopters circling! LOL. You guys are brutal. I'm glad I decided to stay out of this thread. Sorta. :) Cheers Lou -- Louis LeBlanc FreeBSD-at-keyslapper-DOT-net Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) Please send off-list email to: leblanc at keyslapper d.t net Key fingerprint = C5E7 4762 F071 CE3B ED51 4FB8 AF85 A2FE 80C8 D9A2 Hoare's Law of Large Problems: Inside every large problem is a small problem struggling to get out. pgpzTGtDqfcih.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Logo Contest Update?
On 8/31/05, Louis LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... LOL. You guys are brutal. I'm glad I decided to stay out of this thread. Sorta. :) Me too. Especially after I found out who's actually inside the OpenBSD fish/logo: http://www.openbsd.org/27.html :-))) -- Dmitry Mityugov, St. Petersburg, Russia I ignore all messages with confidentiality statements We live less by imagination than despite it - Rockwell Kent, N by E ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logo Contest Update?
On 08/31/05 09:41 PM, Dmitry Mityugov sat at the `puter and typed: On 8/31/05, Louis LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... LOL. You guys are brutal. I'm glad I decided to stay out of this thread. Sorta. :) Me too. Especially after I found out who's actually inside the OpenBSD fish/logo: http://www.openbsd.org/27.html :-))) Love it. Nice and obscure, but he's there. :) -- Louis LeBlanc FreeBSD-at-keyslapper-DOT-net Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) Please send off-list email to: leblanc at keyslapper d.t net Key fingerprint = C5E7 4762 F071 CE3B ED51 4FB8 AF85 A2FE 80C8 D9A2 Jones' Second Law: The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on. pgphXYx60CxPc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Logo Contest Update?
Please refrain from misinformation. On 8/30/05, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quite obviously nobody submitted anything that the contest organizers were happy with. You should be e-mailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] as is listed in http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/ rather than stirrring up trouble on this list. Whenever this topic has come up in the past on this list the majority of posters have been opposed to changing anything. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pratt, Benjamin E. Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 4:50 PM To: FreeBSD-Questions Subject: Logo Contest Update? OK, two months ago tomorrow the logo contest will have ended and there still hasn't been any information about the status of the contest. I was going to wait until the release of 6.0 to send this question out but that may not be for a while yet. Does anyone have any information on the contest status? I'm not saying that I need to know who the winner is but it'd be nice to know how many the choices are down to, or when it is expected that the winner will be announced. Ben ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.17/84 - Release Date: 8/29/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.17/84 - Release Date: 8/29/2005 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Josh Ockert WMU Student: French Linguistics, Computer Science -- The unintentional application of gravitational entropic redistribution to mammarian secretions isn't eschatologically significant. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Logo Contest Update?
-Original Message- From: Josh Ockert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 7:06 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Pratt, Benjamin E.; FreeBSD-Questions Subject: Re: Logo Contest Update? Please refrain from misinformation. Please see your system admin and get your newserver fixed, it's truncating your posts. Only the first sentence came through. Ted -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.17/85 - Release Date: 8/30/2005 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Logo Contest Update?
OK, two months ago tomorrow the logo contest will have ended and there still hasn't been any information about the status of the contest. I was going to wait until the release of 6.0 to send this question out but that may not be for a while yet. Does anyone have any information on the contest status? I'm not saying that I need to know who the winner is but it'd be nice to know how many the choices are down to, or when it is expected that the winner will be announced. Ben ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Logo Contest Update?
Quite obviously nobody submitted anything that the contest organizers were happy with. You should be e-mailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] as is listed in http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/ rather than stirrring up trouble on this list. Whenever this topic has come up in the past on this list the majority of posters have been opposed to changing anything. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pratt, Benjamin E. Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 4:50 PM To: FreeBSD-Questions Subject: Logo Contest Update? OK, two months ago tomorrow the logo contest will have ended and there still hasn't been any information about the status of the contest. I was going to wait until the release of 6.0 to send this question out but that may not be for a while yet. Does anyone have any information on the contest status? I'm not saying that I need to know who the winner is but it'd be nice to know how many the choices are down to, or when it is expected that the winner will be announced. Ben ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.17/84 - Release Date: 8/29/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.17/84 - Release Date: 8/29/2005 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Logo contest status?
What is the status of the FreeBSD logo contest status? I underestand that review of 540 submissions takes time, but maybe someone can estimate the time we have to wait? -- m. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Logo contest status?
What you are missing is that it is imperative to have this contest judging held in secret. If this was an open contest, with publically available submissions, and a defined end date, then the result might actually have some credibility. As it is now, the obvious conclusion to be drawn here is that the contest organizers have not been forthcoming with results simply because they don't care for any of the images submitted so far, and are hoping that if they wait long enough, an image will come along they like. It really doesen't have anything to do with how good or poor the artistry of the submitted designs are, nor does it have anything to do with how well the userbase likes the submissions. The contest is nothing more than a cover for 1 or 2 people with sticks up their butts against Beastie to pull the pants down on the rest of us who don't have a problem with Beastie. I just hope that when they get what they want, that they take their religion and stuff it back into whatever church they pulled it out of, and get back to work adding useful code and such to FreeBSD. For, it would surely be sad if those few Beastie-haters could only count as their major FreeBSD achievement the dislodging of Beastie. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marcin Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 1:58 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Logo contest status? What is the status of the FreeBSD logo contest status? I underestand that review of 540 submissions takes time, but maybe someone can estimate the time we have to wait? -- m. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Logo contest?!
Hi, I'm at a loss about whom to contact, since the PR slot on the contacts page only says seat open. So I tried questions. I've read on slashdot that you entertain the notion of running a FreeBSD logo contest. As a long-time user of FreeBSD, both professionally and privately, I seriously question the wisdom of doing so. For us old-timers in the IT field, the Beastie logo has always been a reassuring point of reference. BSD code has been renowned for being rock-solid, brilliantly engineered, and all that has been symbolized by the daemon logo. But alas! All your sibling projects that I am aware of have chickened out and chosen some other imagery as their logo (NetBSD, the faceless banner; OpenBSD, the fat fish; Dragonfly, what choice did they have?). You are the last one standing, the carrier of the flag. Please, don't chicken out like the others. Carry Chuck, the Beastie, forward into the new millennium, as a reassuring presence that excellence in coding is still alive and kicking (or be it with sneakers). Yours sincerely Martin Ibert -- I have this theory that the universe page faulted and is now executing garbage from the heap ... -- Mike Scandizzo, Boat Anchor, 2000-04-05 - Martin Ibert, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ibert.com/. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logo contest?!
On Feb 14, 2005, at 4:01 PM, Martin Ibert wrote: Hi, I'm at a loss about whom to contact, since the PR slot on the contacts page only says seat open. So I tried questions. I've read on slashdot that you entertain the notion of running a FreeBSD logo contest. As a long-time user of FreeBSD, both professionally and privately, I seriously question the wisdom of doing so. For us old-timers in the IT field, the Beastie logo has always been a reassuring point of reference. BSD code has been renowned for being rock-solid, brilliantly engineered, and all that has been symbolized by the daemon logo. But alas! All your sibling projects that I am aware of have chickened out and chosen some other imagery as their logo (NetBSD, the faceless banner; OpenBSD, the fat fish; Dragonfly, what choice did they have?). You are the last one standing, the carrier of the flag. Please, don't chicken out like the others. Carry Chuck, the Beastie, forward into the new millennium, as a reassuring presence that excellence in coding is still alive and kicking (or be it with sneakers). Dude, here's a can of worms. Do with it what you will. -Bart ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logo contest?!
On Feb 14, 2005, at 4:01 PM, Martin Ibert wrote: Hi, I'm at a loss about whom to contact, since the PR slot on the contacts page only says seat open. So I tried questions. I've read on slashdot that you entertain the notion of running a FreeBSD logo contest. As a long-time user of FreeBSD, both professionally and privately, I seriously question the wisdom of doing so. For us old-timers in the IT field, the Beastie logo has always been a reassuring point of reference. BSD code has been renowned for being rock-solid, brilliantly engineered, and all that has been symbolized by the daemon logo. But alas! All your sibling projects that I am aware of have chickened out and chosen some other imagery as their logo (NetBSD, the faceless banner; OpenBSD, the fat fish; Dragonfly, what choice did they have?). You are the last one standing, the carrier of the flag. Please, don't chicken out like the others. Carry Chuck, the Beastie, forward into the new millennium, as a reassuring presence that excellence in coding is still alive and kicking (or be it with sneakers). Dude, here's a can of worms. Do with it what you will. -Bart We have had enough noise on this for two lifetimes. If you have to indulge yourself, just go look at the last week's archive and leave us alone. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logo Contest
Am 10.02.2005 um 10:20 schrieb Anthony Atkielski: Joshua Tinnin writes: I don't think that a logo makes or breaks deals, but from a public relations and marketing standpoint a good logo is extremely useful, and the lack of a logo (or a very busy logo that's hard to use and recognize) can be a liability. I agree. I even would bring back the issue of a separate freebsd.com website presenting the business case of FreeBSD while freebsd.org is perfect as it is now for people looking for technical information about how to use the system. Stephan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Logo Contest
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 10.02.2005 um 10:20 schrieb Anthony Atkielski: Joshua Tinnin writes: I don't think that a logo makes or breaks deals, but from a public relations and marketing standpoint a good logo is extremely useful, and the lack of a logo (or a very busy logo that's hard to use and recognize) can be a liability. I agree. I even would bring back the issue of a separate freebsd.com website presenting the business case of FreeBSD while freebsd.org is perfect as it is now for people looking for technical information about how to use the system. That is what sendmail did and I think it works very well. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Logo Contest
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: I agree. I even would bring back the issue of a separate freebsd.com website presenting the business case of FreeBSD while freebsd.org is perfect as it is now for people looking for technical information about how to use the system. That is what sendmail did and I think it works very well. dave:~ [72]% whois freebsd.com Whois Server Version 1.3 Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net for detailed information. Domain Name: FREEBSD.COM Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC. Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com Name Server: FINKPLOYD.NRG4U.COM Name Server: SNATCH.Z0RG.ORG Name Server: C00L3R.NETWORX.CH Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK Updated Date: 03-jan-2005 Creation Date: 22-mar-1998 Expiration Date: 21-mar-2008 -- Dave ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logo Contest
Hi, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Erich Dollansky writes: Do above attributes apply to the logo of the most successful software package known as Windows? Yes. The Windows logo is simple and easy to recognize. The full logo is in multiple colors and requires screens to print, which is a bit of a drawback, but fortunately it is designed such that it can be printed with fewer colors, no screens, and in monochrome if necessary. It provides a very high level of brand recognition; even in straight black and white, people instantly recognize what the logo represents. And FreeBSD's beastie can even be 'printed' on an ASCII-Terminal still being recognised. FreeBSD already has this image. FreeBSD doesn't have a _logo_. FreeBSD uses currently the multirole beastie. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logo Contest
Hi, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Erich Dollansky writes: Do you believe that Windows is this successful because of its logo? No, but the logo accounts for a lot of brand recognition for Windows, as it does for most other products. Simple logos are easy to retain and Yes, after Windows become popular, the logo helps in some way. FreeBSD is far from being as popular as Windows. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logo Contest
[In reply to the huge number of misguided messages that have been rolling into my Inbox through last night and all of today.] I don't understand why you people are still battling on the subject. Some less-than-smart person has also started up an online petition which has gotten tons of people who DO NOT understand the situation to sign said petition. First: this is about PRINTING. What happens when you print any of the currently available FreeBSD logos? I'll tell you. Before going into this, I think I should explain a couple things about the press and about computer art. I'm sure some of you know this, but it is very apparent that some of you couldn't identify a raster image from a hole in the ground. When printing _any_ sort of art, there are certain things that need to be kept in mind. I'm keeping this simple. Do not get pedantic on me about this. First, I'd like to explain how things get printed on large media (large posters, signs, etc). Even some T-Shirt companies print their shirts this way. When printing on such media, you work with silk screens, conveniently named ``silkscreens.'' When printing, these screens are used to layer colors. Only one color can be printed at a time. When you print a Beastie that has 5 colors (using the EPS version as an example -- 5 colors because you don't have to print white), each color has to be pressed through the screen in a separate process. You can re-use screens across media. Thus, if you want to print 1,000 posters with the EPS of Beastie, you need to have 5 screens, and some poor worker (believe me, this is still hand-done in most places) has to print various parts of Beastie 5,000 times. What's the difference between raster and vector art? Raster art is what you usually see on the web. Files in GIF, JPEG, PNG, TIFF, BMP and other similar formats are all raster graphics. This basically means that the image is defined based on color values at certain pixels. Various formats have various ways to compress this, but that's basically how they all work. Vector art makes use of (unsurprisingly) vectors to determine how the image should be shown. The image is stored as mathematical data which describes where and how bezier curves should be formed, where lines are. Color can be added simply by giving these vectors a color property. If a shape is closed, you can even give it a fill. Indeed, you can even fill non-closed shapes by inferring their area based upon various different algorithms. The difference between raster and vector art is that rasterized images are generally only good for viewing on-screen. Unless your rasterized image is at a high quality with a high DPI, you can't do very much resizing without losing substantial quality (usually you can make them smaller and maintain a good quality, but making them larger usually removes quality directly). This is why you can't really enlarge digital photos and why when taking good pictures with a digital camera requires a camera with a high resolution. On the other hand, vector art can be resized to any size and maintain its original quality. So, when you get down to it, you really need to realize the problems: o The number of colors. The more colors an image has, the more it costs to print, for obvious reasons. The current FreeBSD logo not only makes use of a rasterized version of Beastie that is difficult to print at a high resolution, the text is beveled. There are tons of colors that would have to be removed or changed to print this on large media. Additionally, the raster would have to be traced, since I know of no raster version of Beastie that's larger than about 1200px wide. Printing the current logo is too expensive. o The ability to be resized. Even if this was traced by a program such as Inkscape (which makes use of some other tracing program, so I'm giving credit to the wrong place, sorry), there would be a substantial amount of quality lost. I know, because tracing even a small image (320x240) with a high number of scans (say 50) eats up about 500 MB RAM and comes close to hanging my dual P3 800. It might be doable at a reasonable speed on a AMD64 machine with 2 gigs of RAM; I wouldnt' be surprised if it wasn't. Converting the logo to something printable is too much of a PITA. o If we use the current vector version (the EPS version available in /usr/share/examples/BSD_daemon), we're losing a lot. It's not very detailed, it's not very pretty, and it still uses 5 colors, which is pretty expensive to print. o If we use either, you have to understand that either version is a bitch to print at a small size (for letterhead). The EPS is not well detailed, and the raster version still uses a lot of red ink :). The raster isn't very clear when printed in black and white, and the EPS still isn't pretty. This isn't about removing Beastie from FreeBSD. This is about a professional logo that can be easily printed on a wide variety of media including your computer screen, the head
Re: Logo Contest
On 02/10/05 03:03 PM, Devon H. O'Dell sat at the `puter and typed: [In reply to the huge number of misguided messages that have been rolling into my Inbox through last night and all of today.] I don't understand why you people are still battling on the subject. Some less-than-smart person has also started up an online petition which has gotten tons of people who DO NOT understand the situation to sign said petition. First: this is about PRINTING. What happens when you print any of the currently available FreeBSD logos? I'll tell you. No, I don't think this is about printing. The leaked document in its initial form mentioned *replacing* the FreeBSD daemon. No mention of cleaning it up was made. It even included a bunch of guidelines for contest entries, including: * The logo must not exploit or offend a person's sex, race, religion, morality, culture , nor be salacious or pornographic. Now, if you look at the URL that was originally leaked, http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/announce.txt You'll find something more carefully worded: This is the future site for the FreeBSD logo competiton which is meant to create a new logo for the FreeBSD Project to supplement the current Beastie mascot. Despite an early draft announcement that got out we are not quite ready for the logos yet. Please watch this space and the freebsd-announce mailing list for more information in the near future. http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/ This is looking like one of two things at this point: A bait and switch, meaning it is nothing more than an attempt to make those opposed to replacing Beastie feel like they're involved, while those with the ability to make the final decision choose something not including Beastie, or they realized that the whole idea was a bad one to start. I can almost guarantee that if this was for nothing more than a printing cleanup, none of this hype would be happening. Besides, the FreeBSD Mall doesn't seem to have much trouble printing up *their* T-shirts. Lou -- Louis LeBlanc FreeBSD-at-keyslapper-DOT-net Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) Please send off-list email to: leblanc at keyslapper d.t net Key fingerprint = C5E7 4762 F071 CE3B ED51 4FB8 AF85 A2FE 80C8 D9A2 Burbulation: The obsessive act of opening and closing a refrigerator door in an attempt to catch it before the automatic light comes on. -- Sniglets, Rich Hall Friends pgpd4pHx3ojVw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Logo Contest
Untrue, I know a NUMBER of emerging graphic artists, who would kill for this kind of exposure, and are much better than any commercialized firm I've seen. On Thu, 2005-02-10 at 21:00 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Dave Wood writes: Once the contest is offically launched, how do people feel about inviting a bunch of professional logo design companies to participate. The $500 prize won't convince them to partake, but the vast exposure almost certainly will. No, it won't. FreeBSD is small potatoes, and no design firm is going to give away its work (which essentially tells clients that its work is worthless). The old the publicity is worth more than a fee argument is laughed at by serious graphic artists. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logo Contest
Louis LeBlanc writes: No, I don't think this is about printing. Anything that is about logos is also about printing. I can almost guarantee that if this was for nothing more than a printing cleanup, none of this hype would be happening. I can almost guarantee that if everyone involved took a magic drug that eliminated testosterone, a new logo would be agreed upon in a day or so. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logo Contest
Julio Capote writes: Untrue, I know a NUMBER of emerging graphic artists, who would kill for this kind of exposure, and are much better than any commercialized firm I've seen. If they are so good, why would they kill for this kind of exposure? The world of commercial art is no exception to the rule that you get what you pay for. Good graphic art is worth paying for; for a price of zero dollars, you'll get zero quality. Exceptions are very, very rare, and cannot be depended on. And an amateurish logo would be quite a liability. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 9:37 PM +0100 2/10/05, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Julio Capote writes: Untrue, I know a NUMBER of emerging graphic artists, who would kill for this kind of exposure, and are much better than any commercialized firm I've seen. If they are so good, why would they kill for this kind of exposure? You've never heard of a startup firm? Perhaps a startup made of recent college graduates? They might not kill for the chance, but if they do have some spare time they might find this an attractive project to spend some time on. The world of commercial art is no exception to the rule that you get what you pay for. Uh, the same could be said for programming. So why are you using an open-source operating system which is largely supported by people who are NOT paid to work on it? And who give it away for Free? Good graphic art is worth paying for; for a price of zero dollars, you'll get zero quality. Exceptions are very, very rare, and cannot be depended on. And an amateurish logo would be quite a liability. Technically this is not for zero dollars. There is a monetary prize involved for the winner, as well as the exposure. And even if the project does not pick your logo, I believe your logo will still be seen by others, and someone *else* might think Hey, that person has some talent! Listen, if all we come up with is crappy logo submissions, then we won't actually switch to any new logo. We're just trying to see what people *can* come up with, and maybe reward them a little bit for making the effort. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn= [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Systems Programmer or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rensselaer Polytechnic Instituteor [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Anthony Atkielski wrote: I can almost guarantee that if everyone involved took a magic drug that eliminated testosterone, a new logo would be agreed upon in a day or so. LOL ...to which I would add two words: bike shed! I have a great fondness for Beastie; that is clearly not uncommon and obviously extends to the level of fierce loyalty on the part of some in the community. But really, if Kellog's cereal can have a stylized red K and Tony the Tiger each serving their own distinct branding purposes WRT Frosted Flakes, I do not see what the big deal is about FreeBSD having a simple (scalable, printable) logo and a complex mascot as well. It seems largely a matter of common sense, and in any case a much smaller matter than wringing any remaining inconsistencies out of 5.x. FWIW, when staff here deployed Mailman on our FreeBSD mail server, the configuration proudly displayed the Python and FreeBSD logos (let's not repeat the definition discussion) at the bottom of the page. While internally we didn't have any problems with Beastie, we then had a long discussion about the feelings of *our* customers who might see him and be [uncomfortable|confused|alarmed|fsckwits] about it. We ended up hacking Beastie out of the page. All things considered, I'd like to have that 90 minutes of my life back. ;-) Point is, it's not just about the community of FreeBSD users, it's about our customers too. I'd hate to see management support for BSD wither here, not because Beastie is inherently bad, but just because the issues within Beastie's PR cloud can easily extend beyond the walls of the IT wing and create drag in communications planning. Drag is drag and drag is undesirable; discussing the difference between demon and daemon can be a drag. As a result, I cannot effectively evangelize my organization's use of FreeBSD, or even relate that use to the use of competing systems, except in text. I'd actually forgotten about that problem for a long time. Now that I've put a name to it again, I say: Love Beastie. Honor Beastie. Keep Beastie around on various web pages, book covers, shirts, etc. But getting a new logo for general purpose brand identification is definitely not a bad idea. -- Greg Barniskis, Computer Systems Integrator South Central Library System (SCLS) Library Interchange Network (LINK) gregb at scls.lib.wi.us, (608) 266-6348 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:37:43 +0100 Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julio Capote writes: Untrue, I know a NUMBER of emerging graphic artists, who would kill for this kind of exposure, and are much better than any commercialized firm I've seen. If they are so good, why would they kill for this kind of exposure? The world of commercial art is no exception to the rule that you get what you pay for. Good graphic art is worth paying for; for a price of zero dollars, you'll get zero quality. Exceptions are very, very rare, and cannot be depended on. And an amateurish logo would be quite a liability. You make it sound as if the FreeBSD project paid a million dollars for the current drawing of Beastie. After all, we get what we pay for, and the current mascot/logo is perfect, right? Jacob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Garance A Drosihn writes: You've never heard of a startup firm? Perhaps a startup made of recent college graduates? They might not kill for the chance, but if they do have some spare time they might find this an attractive project to spend some time on. People who want to make money don't do freebies. A very common mistake made by artists going into business is giving away work for free, under the misconception that this will somehow lead to paying business. In reality, it just leads to requests for more freebies, or to nothing at all. Thus, serious artists are going to expect to be paid money. Uh, the same could be said for programming. So why are you using an open-source operating system which is largely supported by people who are NOT paid to work on it? And who give it away for Free? These are people who earn a living by other means. Nobody who doesn't have other sources of income writes software for free. Listen, if all we come up with is crappy logo submissions, then we won't actually switch to any new logo. We're just trying to see what people *can* come up with, and maybe reward them a little bit for making the effort. No problem with that. But don't assume that any professionals (or professional-level artists) will jump forward and give you free work for the hypothetical exposure. FreeBSD doesn't have anything remotely near the kind of exposure that would be useful for a graphic artist, even were he willing to give away his work for free. Not only is the FreeBSD community relatively quite small, but the people who do see the work would not be potential customers. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jacob S writes: You make it sound as if the FreeBSD project paid a million dollars for the current drawing of Beastie. No. While Beastie is cute and well executed, it's not professional graphic art. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Anthony Atkielski wrote: No. While Beastie is cute and well executed, it's not professional graphic art. Here here... Rob. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 10 February 2005 05:49 pm, Technical Director wrote: On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Anthony Atkielski wrote: No. While Beastie is cute and well executed, it's not professional graphic art. Here here... Rob. I have two questions. These are not accusations, but questions and I don't want accusations in response. 1. Why was this so hush-hush (ie, Why was it leakable (ie, why the secrecy, if FreeBSD is supposed to be a project where everyone can take part in?))) 2. Does Apple have, or has Apple had anything to do with this decision (and if so, then who, how and why (or is the answer to that supposed to be hush-hush too))? If someone out there is honest and forthcoming, we'd all like to know the answers to this... And quite frankly, it doesn't take weeks to figure out how to use correct grammar in an announcement or a responce (and even if the grammar is left _so_ wanting, take a look at the archives for this list. It can't be all _that_ bad, can it?) Thank you in advance for at least a reasonable response. Mike (FreeBSD devotee evangelist (for now)) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Personally I'm very happy that they are changing the logo. Thanks to those that decided to take the plunge to do this! --Nick On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:42:32 +0100, Stephan Lichtenauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 10.02.2005 um 10:20 schrieb Anthony Atkielski: Joshua Tinnin writes: I don't think that a logo makes or breaks deals, but from a public relations and marketing standpoint a good logo is extremely useful, and the lack of a logo (or a very busy logo that's hard to use and recognize) can be a liability. I agree. I even would bring back the issue of a separate freebsd.com website presenting the business case of FreeBSD while freebsd.org is perfect as it is now for people looking for technical information about how to use the system. Stephan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Mike Hauber wrote: weeks to figure out how to use correct grammar in an announcement or a responce (and even if the grammar is left _so_ wanting, take a look at the archives for this list. It can't be all _that_ bad, can it?) You raise issue with the grammar of tech heads who probably failed english as I did, yet you'll not at least accept that the logo on a professional scale leaves little to offer to someone trying to get a board room full of decision makers to move on it? Everyone is forgetting the obvious here. FreeBSD is *either* the fri*ee*ndly little OS, denoted by that 'cute' daemon, or it is a competitive alternative to the bird cage boxes that Microsoft, Sun, Compaq and the rest of the big group puts their product in. We want FreeBSD Java, FreeBSD hardware drivers and all the new hardware to go with our system. Yet if these companies see our sites, cds or books what do they get first? Cute I guess. You would think that the core group had removed the entire source tree on this and replaced it with KERNEL32.EXE and an assortment of *.dlls for some reason here. I think it is an interesting competition with little expense surely to give good amounts of items to ponder. Maybe some graphix guru out there will be able to cross the worlds from the evangelist daemon'ists to the reformists? 2 cents. Rob. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Friday 11 February 2005 03:49, Technical Director wrote: On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Mike Hauber wrote: weeks to figure out how to use correct grammar in an announcement or a responce (and even if the grammar is left _so_ wanting, take a look at the archives for this list. It can't be all _that_ bad, can it?) not everyone here has english for mother language, so, before going for grammar, id rather keep in mind what this discussion was started with. You raise issue with the grammar of tech heads who probably failed english as I did, yet you'll not at least accept that the logo on a professional scale leaves little to offer to someone trying to get a board room full of decision makers to move on it? just had to drop in. you guys make a holy war out of a logo contest, then youre better than me. and for a personal thing of mine, would you please leave terms like decision makers out of here, i just have the certain feeling that youre referring to the manager type of person, who does not ever go to a serverroom or really look at anything important anyways. of course thats my subjective perspective, you might enlighten me on that one if you got some examples of decision makers who actually got an idea about how the world is really turning around. Everyone is forgetting the obvious here. FreeBSD is *either* the fri*ee*ndly little OS, denoted by that 'cute' daemon, or it is a competitive alternative to the bird cage boxes that Microsoft, Sun, Compaq and the rest of the big group puts their product in. was that really the question or are that facts, i mean, does FreeBSD really want to compete with companies, or do their own thing. what was it from what ive read... freebsd core dev team is around ~200 peoples working on the code? how about giving them a chance to speak up their thoughts for a change? We want FreeBSD Java, FreeBSD hardware drivers and all the new hardware to go with our system. Yet if these companies see our sites, cds or books what do they get first? do we? for a single person trying to speak plural... you got quite an ego there... Cute I guess. You would think that the core group had removed the entire source tree on this and replaced it with KERNEL32.EXE and an assortment of *.dlls for some reason here. are we going on the psychoanalysis now? I think it is an interesting competition with little expense surely to give good amounts of items to ponder. Maybe some graphix guru out there will be able to cross the worlds from the evangelist daemon'ists to the reformists? everyone has his refrain, so you finally made your point, thats good. 2 cents. Rob. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- By reading this mail you agree to the following: using or giving out the email address and any other info of the author of this email is strictly forbidden. By acting against this agreement the author of this mail will take possible legal actions against the abuse. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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for answering a discussion about a logo contest youre taking a quite wide turn, dont you guys think? On Thursday 10 February 2005 23:34, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Garance A Drosihn writes: You've never heard of a startup firm? Perhaps a startup made of recent college graduates? They might not kill for the chance, but if they do have some spare time they might find this an attractive project to spend some time on. People who want to make money don't do freebies. A very common mistake made by artists going into business is giving away work for free, under the misconception that this will somehow lead to paying business. In reality, it just leads to requests for more freebies, or to nothing at all. Thus, serious artists are going to expect to be paid money. Uh, the same could be said for programming. So why are you using an open-source operating system which is largely supported by people who are NOT paid to work on it? And who give it away for Free? These are people who earn a living by other means. Nobody who doesn't have other sources of income writes software for free. Listen, if all we come up with is crappy logo submissions, then we won't actually switch to any new logo. We're just trying to see what people *can* come up with, and maybe reward them a little bit for making the effort. No problem with that. But don't assume that any professionals (or professional-level artists) will jump forward and give you free work for the hypothetical exposure. FreeBSD doesn't have anything remotely near the kind of exposure that would be useful for a graphic artist, even were he willing to give away his work for free. Not only is the FreeBSD community relatively quite small, but the people who do see the work would not be potential customers. -- By reading this mail you agree to the following: using or giving out the email address and any other info of the author of this email is strictly forbidden. By acting against this agreement the author of this mail will take possible legal actions against the abuse. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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and for a personal thing of mine, would you please leave terms like decision makers out of here, i just have the certain feeling that youre referring to the manager type of person, who does not ever go to a serverroom or really look at anything important anyways. of course thats my subjective perspective, you might enlighten me on that one if you got some examples of decision makers who actually got an idea about how the world is really turning around. Okay Rob, you can have one FreeBSD box, on your desktop... Now it's 12... 12 in production and spreading. The people who make the decisions DON'T have a clue, they never experience the trenches as it were, and doubtful that they ever will. The problem is that Tech is a bowl of jello. Look at the color. Look at the jiggle... These guys who sign the bottom line and tell us, the workers, what to do have the say on what we get to use or not to use. (Unless you work in some far of neverland. If so, are they hiring?) And where do they get their info? was that really the question or are that facts, i mean, does FreeBSD really want to compete with companies, or do their own thing. Do there own thing? It would be interesting how you might quantify that? And I am not even encouraging competing with the other companies, but at least give a chance to those who have to. what was it from what ive read... freebsd core dev team is around ~200 peoples working on the code? how about giving them a chance to speak up their thoughts for a change? http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors/staff-core.html This would be the core team I refer to. do we? for a single person trying to speak plural... you got quite an ego there... we -- If you will recall was in quotes. [ exasperated sigh ] Rob. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Friday 11 February 2005 04:15, Technical Director wrote: and for a personal thing of mine, would you please leave terms like decision makers out of here, i just have the certain feeling that youre referring to the manager type of person, who does not ever go to a serverroom or really look at anything important anyways. of course thats my subjective perspective, you might enlighten me on that one if you got some examples of decision makers who actually got an idea about how the world is really turning around. Okay Rob, you can have one FreeBSD box, on your desktop... im not rob, but thanks, already got one) Now it's 12... 12 in production and spreading. The people who make the decisions DON'T have a clue, they never experience the trenches as it were, and doubtful that they ever will. The problem is that Tech is a bowl of jello. Look at the color. interresting thought, so its a sweet tasting thing that youd like to drink? (in case i translated jello right, cause this is not my mother language...) Look at the jiggle... These guys who sign the bottom line and tell us, the workers, what to do have the say on what we get to use or not to use. (Unless you work in some far of neverland. If so, are they hiring?) whats neverland? (assides from alice in wonderland story...) have you read that book, good literature, but youre kinda referring in a funny way to it. And where do they get their info? dont ask me, im a grease monkey, i do actually keep things running. was that really the question or are that facts, i mean, does FreeBSD really want to compete with companies, or do their own thing. Do there own thing? It would be interesting how you might quantify that? And I am not even encouraging competing with the other companies, but at least give a chance to those who have to. i dont know, thats why i used a vague phrase for it, im actually waiting for the answers of the FreeBSD peoples on all of that discussion anyways... you might ask them first, and not me. what was it from what ive read... freebsd core dev team is around ~200 peoples working on the code? how about giving them a chance to speak up their thoughts for a change? http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors/staff-core .html This would be the core team I refer to. thanks for the url, im gonna look that one up. i dont know where i got my data from, i think i actually read some topics in the news about it. do we? for a single person trying to speak plural... you got quite an ego there... we -- If you will recall was in quotes. [ exasperated sigh ] i am answering you and and that other guy, both of you. Rob. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- By reading this mail you agree to the following: using or giving out the email address and any other info of the author of this email is strictly forbidden. By acting against this agreement the author of this mail will take possible legal actions against the abuse. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 8:13 PM -0500 2/10/05, Mike Hauber wrote: And quite frankly, it doesn't take weeks to figure out how to use correct grammar in an announcement or a responce (and even if the grammar is left _so_ wanting, take a look at the archives for this list. It can't be all _that_ bad, can it?) Who are you to make these pronouncements of reality? How do you know the exact length of time it takes to get 400 developers to agree on *anything* -- never mind the wording of a public announcement? The site was written by a developer whose primary language is Japanese. Just how long would it take you to write a web page in perfect Japanese? Sure, be a smug smart-ass about how great your own damn grammar is. However, FreeBSD is a world-wide project, with hard-working developers from many countries whose primary language is NOT english. Stop thinking that the entire world revolves around the lifestyle that you happen to live in. Thank you in advance for at least a reasonable response. Thank you for another set of ill-informed and insulting speculation. It's always a pleasure dealing with friends who are so willing to see conspiracies at every turn. I'm also glad you didn't waste any time reading any of the other messages which I have written in this mailing list. Much better to let your own demented accusations fly, then to give anyone the benefit of the doubt, or to actually read what they are saying. Mike (FreeBSD devotee evangelist (for now)) And me, I'm speaking solely as Garance Drosehn, FreeBSD committer for the past four years. I have done maybe a dozen presentations for FreeBSD to public groups in that time. What evangelism have you done? Actual evangelism, in front of a live audience? I, for one, am damn tired of explaining some stupid Unix inside-joke to people, at the same time that I'm trying to convince those same people that FreeBSD is a professional, grown-up operating system. An operating system. Code that works. That is what I care about. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn= [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Systems Programmer or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rensselaer Polytechnic Instituteor [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 8:13 PM -0500 2/10/05, Mike Hauber wrote: On Thursday 10 February 2005 05:49 pm, Technical Director wrote: On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Anthony Atkielski wrote: No. While Beastie is cute and well executed, it's not professional graphic art. Here here... Rob. I have two questions. These are not accusations, but questions and I don't want accusations in response. At first I was going to skip over these questions, since they have been touched on in some other replies I have written. But I can't help but thinking that you're going to say SEE! I TOLD YOU THEY WOULDN'T GIVE ME AN HONEST ANSWER! THEY MUST BE HIDING SOMETHING!. 1. Why was this so hush-hush (ie, Why was it leakable (ie, why the secrecy, if FreeBSD is supposed to be a project where everyone can take part in?))) As noted in other messages, this isn't as hush-hush as a few people are making it sound. We're talking about a public web site. The first draft of that web site was put up, and then all the committers were asked to look at it. It is only hush-hush in the sense that we wanted committers to proof-read it and agree on it before opening to the public. 2. Does Apple have, or has Apple had anything to do with this decision (and if so, then who, how and why (or is the answer to that supposed to be hush-hush too))? I am one of the committers who are interested in this logo contest, just to see what logos people can come up with. I had a great idea for a logo a few years ago, but I never could get a picture that looked as good as the idea seemed to me. That idea never went anywhere. Apple, as a company, has had no input to this. Apple really does not care enough about Unix to even care *what* the FreeBSD project does for a logo. Apple has their own operating systems, their own logos, and nothing we do is going to effect them. Apple hasn't contacted me. They haven't offered me anything. They also haven't threatened me in any way. Chances are mighty good they don't even know that I exist. However, I am one of the developers who thinks that this logo contest is a good idea. If Apple is supposed to be bribing me for my own opinion, then I sure wish they'd contact me so I could tell them where to mail the checks to. But they are strangely silent... If someone out there is honest and forthcoming, we'd all like to know the answers to this... How many statements do COMMITTERS have to make before you stop implying that we are dishonest? Dishonest in what way? I know I know: you're not making any accusations. You're simply asking if we have stopped beating our wife yet. I'm glad you're not making any accusations. It would be so much less friendly if you were making accusations. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Systems Programmer or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy, NY; USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Oliver, On Fri, 11 Feb 2005, Oliver Leitner wrote: im not rob, but thanks, already got one) Oh my that's so ... funny. interresting thought, so its a sweet tasting thing that youd like to drink? (in case i translated jello right, cause this is not my mother language...) Maybe where you come from the world is a better place and FreeBSD, Linux and anything but big $$$ OS/Systems grow on proverbial trees, unfortunately where I come from it is a daily fight to keep the 12 boxes I have running FreeBSD. And I know that a better logo, website and overall approach would help. It did in the case of MySQL. dont ask me, im a grease monkey, i do actually keep things running. You have no worries about your supervisor coming in and saying Gee, .NET looks good, why don't we give that a try? Grease monkey or not you have to have good solid reasons to give to the non-tech decision makers why you WANT to do what you are doing... i am answering you and and that other guy, both of you. Whatever. Rob. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 10 February 2005 07:13 pm, Mike Hauber wrote: I have two questions. These are not accusations, but questions and I don't want accusations in response. 1. Why was this so hush-hush (ie, Why was it leakable (ie, why the secrecy, if FreeBSD is supposed to be a project where everyone can take part in?))) Delay does not always indicate conspiracy or secrecy. Sometimes it indicates caution and thoughtfulness. In this case, more delay was needed for the sake of effective communication. Given the volatile nature of the issue at hand, I think it's reasonable to want the communication to be correct in more than spelling and grammer. The communication should: 1. Provide correct information; and 2. Clearly prioritize the motivations and issues justifying the proposal. Remember, the authors need to do more than write their thoughts. They need to consider how the words will be read. Not only would I want the authors/editors to take their time, I would want them to review the document again 24 hours after it was finished. Then, if it still looks good, release it. Bad communication can be far worse than no communication at all. (QED) Andrew Gould ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Technical Director writes: Okay Rob, you can have one FreeBSD box, on your desktop... The first time I encountered FreeBSD, I dismissed it because of the name. It sounded like yet another geek hobbyist project, like Linux, and that was something I didn't think should run in a critical production environment. Even today, although I know that FreeBSD is indeed suitable for heavy-duty production environments, it's hard to recommend it for corporate and mission-critical use because there is no support structure for it, and unless a site has qualified UNIX administrators and programmers on staff (some sites do), FreeBSD--or any open-source UNIX system without a formal support structure--is a risky proposition. Sure, it may well run for twenty years without a boot ... but what if it _does_ crash? Whom do you call? That's what IT managers (rightly) worry about. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
