Re: Looking for the right FreeBSD.iso
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 09:16:04PM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 09:56:56PM -0600, Steven Susbauer wrote: Jerry McAllister wrote: Maybe I am wrong, but I feel it shouldn't be necessary to waste 3 CDs from installation if I have a high-speed permanent Internet connection. So wouldn't just 1 DVD-RW do? Basically, you are wrong, because you haven't looked far enough in to things to know that FreeBSD has done it that way from the beginning (or almost that far back).I have never done a complete install from a CD or DVD, but just acquired the first disk, booted the install program and then done the install over the net. I've been doing that for more than 10 years and am far from being an early adopter. Others have done so much longer. But, some people are [still] not in the positition to be able to do installs over the net. Their service is inadequate or, in some cases they are not even connected, so the whole system is made available to them on disk as well. Actually, I believe, if you are doing just the FreeBSD install, and not at the same time installing some of the ports, it is still layed out to need only the first CD even if you are not installing over the net. But, I haven't checked recent versions. The other CDs contain the sources for various ports and some special case things. jerry This is still the behavior. You can install any of the base distributions for that release with only disc 1, as well as some of the ports. I have had issues booting the netinstall cds for some reason, and installing the distribution from the cd goes faster anyway. Just make sure that if you choose src or ports, that you properly adopt your src and ports trees. (This is why I often advocate not installing src/ports from CD/DVD/FTP/whatever, and instead using csup once the box is up and working). Do you really mean 'update' instead of adopt Otherwise, I don't know what you mean by adopt in this context. jerry -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for the right FreeBSD.iso
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:01:28PM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 09:16:04PM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 09:56:56PM -0600, Steven Susbauer wrote: Jerry McAllister wrote: Maybe I am wrong, but I feel it shouldn't be necessary to waste 3 CDs from installation if I have a high-speed permanent Internet connection. So wouldn't just 1 DVD-RW do? Basically, you are wrong, because you haven't looked far enough in to things to know that FreeBSD has done it that way from the beginning (or almost that far back).I have never done a complete install from a CD or DVD, but just acquired the first disk, booted the install program and then done the install over the net. I've been doing that for more than 10 years and am far from being an early adopter. Others have done so much longer. But, some people are [still] not in the positition to be able to do installs over the net. Their service is inadequate or, in some cases they are not even connected, so the whole system is made available to them on disk as well. Actually, I believe, if you are doing just the FreeBSD install, and not at the same time installing some of the ports, it is still layed out to need only the first CD even if you are not installing over the net. But, I haven't checked recent versions. The other CDs contain the sources for various ports and some special case things. jerry This is still the behavior. You can install any of the base distributions for that release with only disc 1, as well as some of the ports. I have had issues booting the netinstall cds for some reason, and installing the distribution from the cd goes faster anyway. Just make sure that if you choose src or ports, that you properly adopt your src and ports trees. (This is why I often advocate not installing src/ports from CD/DVD/FTP/whatever, and instead using csup once the box is up and working). Do you really mean 'update' instead of adopt Otherwise, I don't know what you mean by adopt in this context. Nope, I said adopt and I do in fact mean adopt. The below site is for cvsup, but what I'm describing affects csup as well -- it's just the nature of the beast. http://www.cvsup.org/faq.html#caniadopt The simple version of why this is necessary: when you install src or ports from the installation media, there is no associated CVS database to cross-reference what version of the file correlates with what on the cvsup server. The databases are stored in /var/db/sup (or /usr/sup if you're using a very old version of FreeBSD with very old supfiles). Thus, adopting means you need to create those databases to make sure the cvsup/csup tools are truly in sync with what exists on your filesystem (in /usr/src and /usr/ports). -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for the right FreeBSD.iso
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:34:42AM +0100, LennyCZ wrote: Hello! I would like to try FreeBSD on my machine, but I did not find any information regarding the ISO files on FreeBSD FTP sites. For example, in ISO directory for 7.0 release, I found these files: 7.0-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso 7.0-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso 7.0-RELEASE-i386-disc2.iso 7.0-RELEASE-i386-disc3.iso 7.0-RELEASE-i386-docs.iso 7.0-RELEASE-i386-livefs.iso Please could you tell me which files I exactly need to download burn to install a normal FreeBSD installation? Do I need all three *-disc[n] discs? If so, is there a DVD version available? First of all, this is well documented in the handbook and in some FAQs and other hand-holding documents. Second, it depends on how you do the install. If you are able to do it over the net, then you only need the ---disc1.iso. Burn it, boot from it and then when the install process asks, select installing via ftp over the net and pick a promising mirror.It works very well. Maybe I am wrong, but I feel it shouldn't be necessary to waste 3 CDs from installation if I have a high-speed permanent Internet connection. So wouldn't just 1 DVD-RW do? Basically, you are wrong, because you haven't looked far enough in to things to know that FreeBSD has done it that way from the beginning (or almost that far back).I have never done a complete install from a CD or DVD, but just acquired the first disk, booted the install program and then done the install over the net. I've been doing that for more than 10 years and am far from being an early adopter. Others have done so much longer. But, some people are [still] not in the positition to be able to do installs over the net. Their service is inadequate or, in some cases they are not even connected, so the whole system is made available to them on disk as well. Actually, I believe, if you are doing just the FreeBSD install, and not at the same time installing some of the ports, it is still layed out to need only the first CD even if you are not installing over the net. But, I haven't checked recent versions. The other CDs contain the sources for various ports and some special case things. Anyway, I believe that I'll enjoy FreeBSD and I'm looking forward to see it on my home machine and on my testing machine @ work :-) Check out the documentation.Unlike some other systems, it is actually helpful. jerry Thanks for your time! Greetings, Alois LennyCZ Mahdal -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for the right FreeBSD.iso
Jerry McAllister wrote: Basically, you are wrong, because you haven't looked far enough in to things to know that FreeBSD has done it that way from the beginning (or almost that far back).I have never done a complete install from a CD or DVD, but just acquired the first disk, booted the install program and then done the install over the net. I've been doing that for more than 10 years and am far from being an early adopter. Others have done so much longer. But, some people are [still] not in the positition to be able to do installs over the net. Their service is inadequate or, in some cases they are not even connected, so the whole system is made available to them on disk as well. Actually, I believe, if you are doing just the FreeBSD install, and not at the same time installing some of the ports, it is still layed out to need only the first CD even if you are not installing over the net. But, I haven't checked recent versions. The other CDs contain the sources for various ports and some special case things. One option is to just burn and install using the minimum install option when the installer asks you. You could burn the very small minimum cd, such as ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-i386/7.0/7.0-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso and then do a net install afterwards as well. This is a very quick install, then you just pkg_add what you need, use sysinstall to add man pages and other pieces you want later. This has been my method for at least 5-6 years. Brian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for the right FreeBSD.iso
Jerry McAllister wrote: Maybe I am wrong, but I feel it shouldn't be necessary to waste 3 CDs from installation if I have a high-speed permanent Internet connection. So wouldn't just 1 DVD-RW do? Basically, you are wrong, because you haven't looked far enough in to things to know that FreeBSD has done it that way from the beginning (or almost that far back).I have never done a complete install from a CD or DVD, but just acquired the first disk, booted the install program and then done the install over the net. I've been doing that for more than 10 years and am far from being an early adopter. Others have done so much longer. But, some people are [still] not in the positition to be able to do installs over the net. Their service is inadequate or, in some cases they are not even connected, so the whole system is made available to them on disk as well. Actually, I believe, if you are doing just the FreeBSD install, and not at the same time installing some of the ports, it is still layed out to need only the first CD even if you are not installing over the net. But, I haven't checked recent versions. The other CDs contain the sources for various ports and some special case things. jerry This is still the behavior. You can install any of the base distributions for that release with only disc 1, as well as some of the ports. I have had issues booting the netinstall cds for some reason, and installing the distribution from the cd goes faster anyway. -Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for the right FreeBSD.iso
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 09:56:56PM -0600, Steven Susbauer wrote: Jerry McAllister wrote: Maybe I am wrong, but I feel it shouldn't be necessary to waste 3 CDs from installation if I have a high-speed permanent Internet connection. So wouldn't just 1 DVD-RW do? Basically, you are wrong, because you haven't looked far enough in to things to know that FreeBSD has done it that way from the beginning (or almost that far back).I have never done a complete install from a CD or DVD, but just acquired the first disk, booted the install program and then done the install over the net. I've been doing that for more than 10 years and am far from being an early adopter. Others have done so much longer. But, some people are [still] not in the positition to be able to do installs over the net. Their service is inadequate or, in some cases they are not even connected, so the whole system is made available to them on disk as well. Actually, I believe, if you are doing just the FreeBSD install, and not at the same time installing some of the ports, it is still layed out to need only the first CD even if you are not installing over the net. But, I haven't checked recent versions. The other CDs contain the sources for various ports and some special case things. jerry This is still the behavior. You can install any of the base distributions for that release with only disc 1, as well as some of the ports. I have had issues booting the netinstall cds for some reason, and installing the distribution from the cd goes faster anyway. Just make sure that if you choose src or ports, that you properly adopt your src and ports trees. (This is why I often advocate not installing src/ports from CD/DVD/FTP/whatever, and instead using csup once the box is up and working). -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Looking for the right FreeBSD.iso
Hello! I would like to try FreeBSD on my machine, but I did not find any information regarding the ISO files on FreeBSD FTP sites. For example, in ISO directory for 7.0 release, I found these files: 7.0-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso 7.0-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso 7.0-RELEASE-i386-disc2.iso 7.0-RELEASE-i386-disc3.iso 7.0-RELEASE-i386-docs.iso 7.0-RELEASE-i386-livefs.iso Please could you tell me which files I exactly need to download burn to install a normal FreeBSD installation? Do I need all three *-disc[n] discs? If so, is there a DVD version available? Maybe I am wrong, but I feel it shouldn't be necessary to waste 3 CDs from installation if I have a high-speed permanent Internet connection. So wouldn't just 1 DVD-RW do? Anyway, I believe that I'll enjoy FreeBSD and I'm looking forward to see it on my home machine and on my testing machine @ work :-) Thanks for your time! Greetings, Alois LennyCZ Mahdal -- Tato zpráva byla vytvořena převratným poštovním klientem Opery: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for the right FreeBSD.iso
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:34:42AM +0100, LennyCZ wrote: Hello! I would like to try FreeBSD on my machine, but I did not find any information regarding the ISO files on FreeBSD FTP sites. For example, in ISO directory for 7.0 release, I found these files: 7.0-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso 7.0-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso 7.0-RELEASE-i386-disc2.iso 7.0-RELEASE-i386-disc3.iso 7.0-RELEASE-i386-docs.iso 7.0-RELEASE-i386-livefs.iso Please could you tell me which files I exactly need to download burn to install a normal FreeBSD installation? Do I need all three *-disc[n] discs? If so, is there a DVD version available? You only need one: 7.0-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso If you plan on installing many binary packages (from the installer, not once FreeBSD is installed), then you might also want disc2. More importantly, I *strongly* recommend you download the 7.1-BETA2 ISO(s) instead. You'll find them in the releases/ directory on the FTP mirrors. Maybe I am wrong, but I feel it shouldn't be necessary to waste 3 CDs from installation if I have a high-speed permanent Internet connection. You should try sending this note to most of the Linux distributions, many of which *require* a DVD drive (what makes you think everyone has one?), or require you to download 2 or 3 CDs. -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for the right FreeBSD.iso
LennyCZ said the following on 2008-10-27 00:34: Hello! Hellu. I would like to try FreeBSD on my machine, but I did not find any information regarding the ISO files on FreeBSD FTP sites. For example, in ISO directory for 7.0 release, I found these files: 7.0-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso If you do a network install then you only need the bootonly file. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for the right FreeBSD.iso
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 LennyCZ wrote: snip Please could you tell me which files I exactly need to download burn to install a normal FreeBSD installation? Do I need all three *-disc[n] discs? If so, is there a DVD version available? I'm going to call normal highly minimalistic and say you only disk - -disk1. Unless you are installing ports I don't think you need anything else. Ports should be done using portsnap. - -- GNU Key fingerptrint: 2E13 BC16 5F54 0FBD 62ED 42B6 B65F 24AB E9C2 CCD1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkFBugACgkQtl8kq+nCzNFjVwCePiAHX72kTYin9eEk7sKYBdxq DiQAn2Th5T1dwzyFAhkRqEWww5gAzbz7 =Mr7s -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for the right FreeBSD.iso
7.0-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso 7.0-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso 7.0-RELEASE-i386-disc2.iso 7.0-RELEASE-i386-disc3.iso 7.0-RELEASE-i386-docs.iso 7.0-RELEASE-i386-livefs.iso Please could you tell me which files I exactly need to download burn to install a normal FreeBSD installation? Do I need all three *-disc[n] discs? If so, is there a DVD version available? if you are online just use bootonly Maybe I am wrong, but I feel it shouldn't be necessary to waste 3 CDs from installation if I have a high-speed permanent Internet connection. So wouldn't just 1 DVD-RW do? Anyway, I believe that I'll enjoy FreeBSD and I'm looking forward to see it on my home machine and on my testing machine @ work :-) Thanks for your time! Greetings, Alois LennyCZ Mahdal -- Tato zpráva byla vytvořena převratným poštovním klientem Opery: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
