Re: FreeBSD losing market share?
Tony, I'm always fascinated how people consider market share the purpose of everyone and everything. FreeBSD is not a profit-oriented company (it's not even a company in this regards), and you can hardly _measure_ its market share. Hell, you can't even measure its _usage share_! Unlike corporations with a certain income model where unit sales can be counted, you cannot count them for FreeBSD as anyone can download and install as many copies of it as he likes. Due to the licensing model, derived works that are turned into a closed-source project can even be attributed to a different company (e. g. a FreeBSD-derived OS that is installed into an embedded system acting as a firewall will sales_units++; for that company, not for FreeBSD). You have _no_, I repeat NO means to determine how many FreeBSD systems are currently up and running. That would be usage share. Market share is a measuring model that you can't even apply to FreeBSD in my opinion. On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 15:22:47 +0200, Tony wrote: Imagine how FreeBSD's market share and popularity would skyrocket once regular people gets access to it. FreeBSD has no market share, if you apply the term correctly, as it is not part of the market. Low-cost hosting definitely is the way of the future. I'm not sure it is. Even by the means of cloud computing prices are still rising (due to energy costs increasing), and only efficiency is a way to chance this trend. Sadly, requirements to not follow this approach, which makes things becoming more expensive in the future. Unlimited data is also a thing that, in my opinion, will disappear in the future. Lean and fast applications will have a renaissance. Just look at how well low-cost airlineshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_low-cost_airlinesare doing. Are _currently_ doing, but they will sooner or later be out of fuel. Fuel is becoming more expensive as the available amount is limited. If you consider such things on the long run, you will surely have to admit that a short-time strategy (being cheap right now) does not pay. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD losing market share?
On 04/09/12 16:01, Polytropon wrote: Tony, I'm always fascinated how people consider market share the purpose of everyone and everything. FreeBSD is not a profit-oriented company (it's not even a company in this regards), and you can hardly _measure_ its market share. Hell, you can't even measure its _usage share_! Unlike corporations with a certain income model where unit sales can be counted, you cannot count them for FreeBSD as anyone can download and install as many copies of it as he likes. Due to the licensing model, derived works that are turned into a closed-source project can even be attributed to a different company (e. g. a FreeBSD-derived OS that is installed into an embedded system acting as a firewall will sales_units++; for that company, not for FreeBSD). You have _no_, I repeatNO means to determine how many FreeBSD systems are currently up and running. That would be usage share. Market share is a measuring model that you can't even apply to FreeBSD in my opinion. On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 15:22:47 +0200, Tony wrote: Imagine how FreeBSD's market share and popularity would skyrocket once regular people gets access to it. FreeBSD has no market share, if you apply the term correctly, as it is not part of the market. And regular people already can access it. They can use it freely as much as they like and get free help to boot (though I hope they reciprocate in kind in some way). Unlike certain OS you have to actually pay for to use and pay to get help, such as a certain popular OS which supposedly has 90% market share and gives all a headache... ;) Community is a so much nicer term for this phenomena. Low-cost hosting definitely is the way of the future. I'm not sure it is. Even by the means of cloud computing prices are still rising (due to energy costs increasing), and only efficiency is a way to chance this trend. Sadly, requirements to not follow this approach, which makes things becoming more expensive in the future. Unlimited data is also a thing that, in my opinion, will disappear in the future. Lean and fast applications will have a renaissance. Just look at how well low-cost airlineshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_low-cost_airlinesare doing. Are _currently_ doing, but they will sooner or later be out of fuel. Fuel is becoming more expensive as the available amount is limited. If you consider such things on the long run, you will surely have to admit that a short-time strategy (being cheap right now) does not pay. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD losing market share?
On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 15:22:47 +0200 Tony articulated: Just look at how well low-cost airlines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_low-cost_airlines are doing. You seriously want to fly on the airline that has cut everything, including maintenance to the bare bone? Everyone is not a pauper. Some of us actually like the amenities that hard work can buy. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: FreeBSD losing market share?
Tony wrote... --- I'm a bit alarmed by the fact that none of the major low-cost Xen VPS-based hosting providers in the modern web development scenehttp://rubyonrails.org/screencasts/rails3 (Rackspace, Linode, SliceHost, Webbynode etc.) offer FreeBSD hosting. Sure there are some that offer dedicated servers like M5 Hosting, RootBSD, Pair etc. but those are hard to find and ridiculously expensive. Why doesn't FreeBSD support Xen? --- One could also ask why Xen doesn't support FreeBSD ;) I've been a loyal FreeBSD zealot for decades and I still am. However, I have to admit, there are two severe shortcomings - not all entirely freebsd's fault - that keep it out of Xen hosting (and some other high end) environments. The answer is: 1) No true clustered filesystem (GFS for one example). Takes it out of the running completely for those environments. Hast is a wonderful step in the right direction, but really not the answer. 2) Xen - Xen-Tools have not been supported on FreeBSD to this day. Without it, there's little sense in running FreeBSD in a commercial hosting environment under XenServer. No live migration, and half the other nice features aren't available. If Xen-tools was supported in FreeBSD, I'm sure you'd see it popping up as a guest in XenServer hosting providers. J ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD losing market share?
On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 09:37:15AM -0500, Jay West wrote: Tony wrote... --- I'm a bit alarmed by the fact that none of the major low-cost Xen VPS-based hosting providers in the modern web development scenehttp://rubyonrails.org/screencasts/rails3 (Rackspace, Linode, SliceHost, Webbynode etc.) offer FreeBSD hosting. Sure there are some that offer dedicated servers like M5 Hosting, RootBSD, Pair etc. but those are hard to find and ridiculously expensive. Why doesn't FreeBSD support Xen? --- One could also ask why Xen doesn't support FreeBSD ;) I've been a loyal FreeBSD zealot for decades and I still am. However, I have to admit, there are two severe shortcomings - not all entirely freebsd's fault - that keep it out of Xen hosting (and some other high end) environments. The answer is: 1) No true clustered filesystem (GFS for one example). Takes it out of the running completely for those environments. Hast is a wonderful step in the right direction, but really not the answer. 2) Xen - Xen-Tools have not been supported on FreeBSD to this day. Without it, there's little sense in running FreeBSD in a commercial hosting environment under XenServer. No live migration, and half the other nice features aren't available. If Xen-tools was supported in FreeBSD, I'm sure you'd see it popping up as a guest in XenServer hosting providers. Well, guess you and Tony have some work to do then. I expect it will be more than a weekend project for you. jerry J ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
