Re: Server spinning out of control...

2003-07-31 Thread Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg
Jamie wrote:
That is a good idea, thanks. We did check that though. Went through
each user's accounts checking their .forwards and procmaillrc files.
We are running spamassassin 2.55, and in the global procmailrc file we
call spamc which connects to a spamd running on another machine.
Are you aware of any other system utilities that might be used to
trace CPU consumption and trap problems? We've taken a lot of stabs in the
dark with what it could be, and we'd like to try some solid diagnostic
utils to shed more light.
   - Jamie
Try running systat -vm, that should give you a good overview over what 
happens when the load skyrockets.

I had a similar problem once, not as extreme as the one you describe 
but the symptoms where the same. A few times a day one of our servers 
reported load averages at about 5.0-5.5. By the time I got there (30 
second run to the serverroom) the server was always back to almost 
idle, avg around 0.2-0.5. The only thing that was different in this 
compared to most of the other servers was the nic. Since the onboard 
nic died we had to replace it with a low profile PCI nic. I cant 
remember the exact make and model, but it was probably something cheap 
from the nearest computer store.
Using systat I noticed that during the bursts of high loads the number 
of interrupts on the nic went skyhigh. We replaced the nic with a more 
wellknown brand, and the server flatlined its load average. Its still 
doing exactly the same tasks but rarely goes above 0.1.

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R
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RE: Server spinning out of control...

2003-07-28 Thread Jamie


  No, we aren't running razor, just the base spamassassin without razor,
DCC, or Pyzor.




On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Max Clark wrote:

> Are you running razor? Something that I have experienced with spamassassin
> is if you have external network checks enabled and spamassassin cannot
> connect to the resource uptime goes crazy.
>
> Max
>
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> Subject: Re: Server spinning out of control...
>
>
>
>
> That is a good idea, thanks. We did check that though. Went through
> each user's accounts checking their .forwards and procmaillrc files.
>
> We are running spamassassin 2.55, and in the global procmailrc file we
> call spamc which connects to a spamd running on another machine.
>
> Are you aware of any other system utilities that might be used to
> trace CPU consumption and trap problems? We've taken a lot of stabs in the
> dark with what it could be, and we'd like to try some solid diagnostic
> utils to shed more light.
>
>- Jamie
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Rus Foster wrote:
>
> > >We've got a server that occassionally becomes temporarily useless
> > > because the load average shoots up to around 150.0 or so, and then
> slowly
> > > winds down over a 2 minute period. I cannot seem to find the process
> which
> > > is putting so much load on the machine. I've tried running top with the
> q
> > > switch, as well as the "I" switch, and when top opens, I can't see
> > > anything consuming large amounts of CPU power or consuming much memory,
> > > but the load average will be incredibly high. There isn't anything
> unusual
> > > in /var/log/messages to indicate anything which might be causing the
> load
> > > average to go shooting through the ceiling.
> >
> > Are you running any sort of spam filtering? Could a use put something in
> > their ~/.forward?
> >
> > Rus
> >
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RE: Server spinning out of control...

2003-07-28 Thread Max Clark
Are you running razor? Something that I have experienced with spamassassin
is if you have external network checks enabled and spamassassin cannot
connect to the resource uptime goes crazy.

Max

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Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 2:57 PM
To: Rus Foster
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Subject: Re: Server spinning out of control...




That is a good idea, thanks. We did check that though. Went through
each user's accounts checking their .forwards and procmaillrc files.

We are running spamassassin 2.55, and in the global procmailrc file we
call spamc which connects to a spamd running on another machine.

Are you aware of any other system utilities that might be used to
trace CPU consumption and trap problems? We've taken a lot of stabs in the
dark with what it could be, and we'd like to try some solid diagnostic
utils to shed more light.

   - Jamie




On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Rus Foster wrote:

> >We've got a server that occassionally becomes temporarily useless
> > because the load average shoots up to around 150.0 or so, and then
slowly
> > winds down over a 2 minute period. I cannot seem to find the process
which
> > is putting so much load on the machine. I've tried running top with the
q
> > switch, as well as the "I" switch, and when top opens, I can't see
> > anything consuming large amounts of CPU power or consuming much memory,
> > but the load average will be incredibly high. There isn't anything
unusual
> > in /var/log/messages to indicate anything which might be causing the
load
> > average to go shooting through the ceiling.
>
> Are you running any sort of spam filtering? Could a use put something in
> their ~/.forward?
>
> Rus
>
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Re: Server spinning out of control...

2003-07-28 Thread Rus Foster
On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Jamie wrote:

>
>
> That is a good idea, thanks. We did check that though. Went through
> each user's accounts checking their .forwards and procmaillrc files.
>
> We are running spamassassin 2.55, and in the global procmailrc file we
> call spamc which connects to a spamd running on another machine.
>
> Are you aware of any other system utilities that might be used to
> trace CPU consumption and trap problems? We've taken a lot of stabs in the
> dark with what it could be, and we'd like to try some solid diagnostic
> utils to shed more light.
>
>- Jamie

I'm not sure if this will work on 3.4 but try the following

have vmstat running so you can see why the load is jumping. It could be
disk I/O issues or memory.

Also you want to track which processes are just starting. Do a google for
freebsd system accouting to see if that can be turned on.

HTH

Rgds

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Re: Server spinning out of control...

2003-07-28 Thread Jamie


That is a good idea, thanks. We did check that though. Went through
each user's accounts checking their .forwards and procmaillrc files.

We are running spamassassin 2.55, and in the global procmailrc file we
call spamc which connects to a spamd running on another machine.

Are you aware of any other system utilities that might be used to
trace CPU consumption and trap problems? We've taken a lot of stabs in the
dark with what it could be, and we'd like to try some solid diagnostic
utils to shed more light.

   - Jamie




On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Rus Foster wrote:

> >We've got a server that occassionally becomes temporarily useless
> > because the load average shoots up to around 150.0 or so, and then slowly
> > winds down over a 2 minute period. I cannot seem to find the process which
> > is putting so much load on the machine. I've tried running top with the q
> > switch, as well as the "I" switch, and when top opens, I can't see
> > anything consuming large amounts of CPU power or consuming much memory,
> > but the load average will be incredibly high. There isn't anything unusual
> > in /var/log/messages to indicate anything which might be causing the load
> > average to go shooting through the ceiling.
>
> Are you running any sort of spam filtering? Could a use put something in
> their ~/.forward?
>
> Rus
>
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Re: Server spinning out of control...

2003-07-28 Thread Rus Foster
>We've got a server that occassionally becomes temporarily useless
> because the load average shoots up to around 150.0 or so, and then slowly
> winds down over a 2 minute period. I cannot seem to find the process which
> is putting so much load on the machine. I've tried running top with the q
> switch, as well as the "I" switch, and when top opens, I can't see
> anything consuming large amounts of CPU power or consuming much memory,
> but the load average will be incredibly high. There isn't anything unusual
> in /var/log/messages to indicate anything which might be causing the load
> average to go shooting through the ceiling.

Are you running any sort of spam filtering? Could a use put something in
their ~/.forward?

Rus

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