RE: Suggestions for new machine please

2003-02-14 Thread Harald Schmalzbauer
Sorry, I can't answer your question but I can recommend the Tualatin
especially with the intel S815EBM1 mobo and Infineon RAM. Although no
ECC, together with a 3wrae RAID I have uptimes now for almost 2 years.
And the 1.13 verision is affordable and has plenty of reserve-power for
my needs.

-Harry

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi

 It was early of the year 2000 when I got very good suggestions from
 here to buy BX based motherboard, if any. I'm glad I did so... I
 have been using my old trusty BX-based system without any problems,
 but it's time for faster ride. As I'll want to help with SMP which
 seems to be slowly gaining weight, am considering dual-processor
 system. Current dual-Xeon systems are too expensive, PIII is old
 (good and cool) technology, but 1,4Ghz Tualatin price is about the
 same as 2Ghz Athlon XP.. which brings me to the dual-Athlon
 solution. What do you guys think about Asus A7M266-D and two Athlon
 XP 2400+ processors? The information circulating around 'Net claims
 that XP and MP are the same processors and with slight modification
 XP's will work just fine as MP's. Actually I've seen dual-XP's on
 this particular mobo, but these were 1,7Ghz with Palomino core. What
 about memory bandwidth, it's using older memory as I see. Any hidden
 traps, besides cooling of course?
 Or am I on the wrong track and catching up the long gone train..

 Thanks



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Re: Suggestions for new machine please

2003-02-13 Thread Adam Maas

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From: Vallo Kallaste [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 12:59 PM
Subject: Suggestions for new machine please


 Hi

 It was early of the year 2000 when I got very good suggestions from
 here to buy BX based motherboard, if any. I'm glad I did so... I
 have been using my old trusty BX-based system without any problems,
 but it's time for faster ride. As I'll want to help with SMP which
 seems to be slowly gaining weight, am considering dual-processor
 system. Current dual-Xeon systems are too expensive, PIII is old
 (good and cool) technology, but 1,4Ghz Tualatin price is about the
 same as 2Ghz Athlon XP.. which brings me to the dual-Athlon
 solution. What do you guys think about Asus A7M266-D and two Athlon
 XP 2400+ processors? The information circulating around 'Net claims
 that XP and MP are the same processors and with slight modification
 XP's will work just fine as MP's. Actually I've seen dual-XP's on
 this particular mobo, but these were 1,7Ghz with Palomino core. What
 about memory bandwidth, it's using older memory as I see. Any hidden
 traps, besides cooling of course?
 Or am I on the wrong track and catching up the long gone train..

 Thanks
 --

 Vallo Kallaste
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


A good choice except for the XP's, use the MP as that requires no
modification to the CPU to get it to work in SMP mode. The XP requires a
minor mod (Joining contacts on the CPU, like the multiplier unlock hack).
The other trap is make sure you have a high-end PSU. The A7M266-D has hefty
PSU requirements, so I'd go for a PC Power Supply  Cooling unit with at
least 450 Watts (The Mobo requires 400 Watts).

Adam


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Re: Suggestions for new machine please

2003-02-13 Thread Chuck Swiger
Vallo Kallaste wrote:
[ ... ]

Current dual-Xeon systems are too expensive, PIII is old (good and
cool) technology, but 1,4Ghz Tualatin price is about the same as 2Ghz
Athlon XP.. which brings me to the dual-Athlon solution. What do you
guys think about Asus A7M266-D and two Athlon XP 2400+ processors?


Noisy.  One machine I have is an XP 1800+ with ISO-9660 OEM version of 
the boxed 5000 RPM fan, and I wish it were quieter.  You're going to 
have more than twice the power usage as I do, so be prepared for some 
serious cooling requirements.  Also be sure to get something like an 
dual-fan Enermax 430W PS, or something comparible.

The information circulating around 'Net claims that XP and MP are the
same processors and with slight modification XP's will work just fine
as MP's.


To generalize, a CPU maker creates a wafer which should produce all MP 
chips.  However, AMD only tests the SMP portion for each die sold as an 
MP chip.  CPUs sold as XP either haven't had the SMP portion tested, or 
have failed the SMP tests (but passed everything else).  Most XPs will 
work as MP, apparently, but you're running outside of spec, and if you 
have problems, it'll be your problem.

You can pick up MP 2000+'s for about the same price as XP 2400+'s.  If I 
wanted to work on SMP code, I'd probably get the real MP's, so I spend 
my time working on code problems, not going nuts trying to find errors 
in code when the crash was due to an intermittant hardware glich.  YMMV.

-Chuck


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