Re: desktop app/config
Jean-Paul Natola wrote: "Jean-Paul Natola" wrote: Ok so I left the machine running over the weekend to install KDE, And when I got in this morning it said that my disk was out of space- I loaded nothing but the basic freebsd os and nothing other than kde (granted its only a 10 gig drive) but that should be enough for a kde desktop no? It may be that you need to clean-out the workspaces with rm -rf /usr/ports/*/*/work, and start again. BTW I'd go for KDE3 rather than KDE4. The latter still seems to be very fragile to me, and it needs a fairly up-to-date machine, with and a well supported 3-d graphics card if you want the effects. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" So I followed the instructions above, and after a few days I wount up again with my 6 gig slice filling up before kde3 could install- I must be doing something wrong if I cant install kde 3 on a 6 gig slice? You would be better off to install the package version of kde. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
RE: desktop app/config
"Jean-Paul Natola" wrote: > Ok so I left the machine running over the weekend to install KDE, > > And when I got in this morning it said that my disk was out of space- > I loaded nothing but the basic freebsd os and nothing other than kde > (granted its only a 10 gig drive) but that should be enough for a kde > desktop no? >>>It may be that you need to clean-out the workspaces with >>>rm -rf /usr/ports/*/*/work, and start again. >>>BTW I'd go for KDE3 rather than KDE4. The latter still seems to be very >>>fragile to me, and it needs a fairly up-to-date machine, with and a well >>>supported 3-d graphics card if you want the effects. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" So I followed the instructions above, and after a few days I wount up again with my 6 gig slice filling up before kde3 could install- I must be doing something wrong if I cant install kde 3 on a 6 gig slice? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: desktop app/config
On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:08:48 -0500 "Jean-Paul Natola" wrote: > Ok so I left the machine running over the weekend to install KDE, > > And when I got in this morning it said that my disk was out of space- > I loaded nothing but the basic freebsd os and nothing other than kde > (granted its only a 10 gig drive) but that should be enough for a kde > desktop no? It may be that you need to clean-out the workspaces with rm -rf /usr/ports/*/*/work, and start again. BTW I'd go for KDE3 rather than KDE4. The latter still seems to be very fragile to me, and it needs a fairly up-to-date machine, with and a well supported 3-d graphics card if you want the effects. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
RE: desktop app/config
> Hi all, > > I'm replacing some machines and want to setup some stations in the library > running FreeBSD- > > What is the easiest for an XP user to get accustomed to and what config do I > need so that when the machine starts (power / boot) it will automatically > launch the desktop gui Both KDE and Gnome should feel pretty familiar to an XP user. The handbook has some useful docs: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11-wm.html See the section about the kde display manager for example. --- Ok so I left the machine running over the weekend to install KDE, And when I got in this morning it said that my disk was out of space- I loaded nothing but the basic freebsd os and nothing other than kde (granted its only a 10 gig drive) but that should be enough for a kde desktop no? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
RE: desktop app/config
Wish I would have seen that before I started this KDE install 2 hours ago Thx will look into it too -Original Message- From: Kevin Kinsey [mailto:k...@daleco.biz] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 2:12 PM To: Jean-Paul Natola Cc: Sean Cavanaugh; jerr...@msu.edu; questi...@freebsd.org Subject: Re: desktop app/config Jean-Paul Natola wrote: > What is the "terminology" that I would need to search in the handbook to get > a bsd machine to authenticate with AD I have Mac machines that authenticate > to our network- but that's easy to configure AD=="Active Directory"? BSD doesn't do that by default. AFAIK, you'll need to install and configure SAMBA (which is in ports). As for the original question, I saw a config by a guy named Horen (I think, from NW Europe someplace) for FVWM which looked almost exactly like Windows XP, down to the icons. There's also FWVM95, which is supposed to look like Win95. And, I've not seen XFWM mentioned yet, which is pretty user friendly and a tad more lightweight than KDE or Gnome ... which could be important if you're talking about "recycled" hardware. My $.02, Kevin Kinsey ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: desktop app/config
Jean-Paul Natola wrote: What is the "terminology" that I would need to search in the handbook to get a bsd machine to authenticate with AD I have Mac machines that authenticate to our network- but that's easy to configure AD=="Active Directory"? BSD doesn't do that by default. AFAIK, you'll need to install and configure SAMBA (which is in ports). As for the original question, I saw a config by a guy named Horen (I think, from NW Europe someplace) for FVWM which looked almost exactly like Windows XP, down to the icons. There's also FWVM95, which is supposed to look like Win95. And, I've not seen XFWM mentioned yet, which is pretty user friendly and a tad more lightweight than KDE or Gnome ... which could be important if you're talking about "recycled" hardware. My $.02, Kevin Kinsey ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
RE: desktop app/config
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:39:53 -0500 > From: jnat...@familycareintl.org > To: millenia2...@hotmail.com; jerr...@msu.edu > CC: questi...@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: desktop app/config > > What is the "terminology" that I would need to search in the handbook to get > a bsd machine to authenticate with AD I have Mac machines that authenticate > to our network- but that's easy to configure > TO connect to a Windows Active Directory, you need to use LDAP for authentication. HOW to do that is beyond me and thus google.com is your friend. > -Original Message- > From: Sean Cavanaugh [mailto:millenia2...@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:36 PM > To: Jean-Paul Natola; jerr...@msu.edu > Cc: questi...@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: desktop app/config > > > > > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:19:09 -0500 > > From: jnat...@familycareintl.org > > To: millenia2...@hotmail.com; jerr...@msu.edu > > CC: questi...@freebsd.org > > Subject: RE: desktop app/config > > > > That's sounds like what I'm looking for, however, when you say login with > no > > user or password- I'm not sure if I like that because our fileserver is > going > > to have to authenticate them at some point as will access to the printers > so > > somewhere somehow I need a login no? > > > > What i was refering to was having a basic user with no system authority such > as deleting files and whatnot on the local machine. dont want inexperienced > user screwing up a perfectly fine system. > > if you have a file/print server set up then you are correct and should prob > use a password for the user account. i was assuming local access only. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Sean Cavanaugh [mailto:millenia2...@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:17 PM > > To: Jean-Paul Natola; jerr...@msu.edu > > Cc: questi...@freebsd.org > > Subject: RE: desktop app/config > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:05:08 -0500 > > > From: jnat...@familycareintl.org > > > To: jerr...@msu.edu > > > CC: questi...@freebsd.org > > > Subject: RE: desktop app/config > > > > > > I think we went off track a bit- I do know freebsd- my mail filter is a > > > FreeBSD with clam exim and sa- but I NEVER use the gui's - I want to > setup > > > some "recycled" machines with bsd and a gui that will be easy for a user > to > > > grasp- I have mac users and pc users here- > > > > > > But thanks for all the tips- I currently use ee for editing > > > > > > I think what you are looking for overall would prob be a baseline install > > with either Gnome or KDE installed. Personally I prefer Gnome but KDE is > more > > MSWindows like in its interface. You can go as far as to skin either of > them > > to look like MSWindows. > > > > setup a basic user with no system control and no password for users to log > in > > with and change /etc/ttys so that ttyv8 is turned on and set to GDM or KDM > > (depending on which you want to use). > > > > Definitely configure what additional software you need installed per your > > needs. > > > > -Sean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Jerry McAllister [mailto:jerr...@msu.edu] > > > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:00 PM > > > To: Jean-Paul Natola > > > Cc: questi...@freebsd.org > > > Subject: Re: desktop app/config > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:27:30AM -0500, Jean-Paul Natola wrote: > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I'm replacing some machines and want to setup some stations in the > > library > > > > running FreeBSD- > > > > > > > > What is the easiest for an XP user to get accustomed to and what config > > do > > > I > > > > need so that when the machine starts (power / boot) it will > automatically > > > > launch the desktop gui > > > > > > The easiest way to get used to it is to just fully install the latest > > FreeBSD > > > (that is 7.1 at the moment) RELEASE, update it to RELENG_7 or RELENG_7_1 > > > so it has the latest patches. Install Xorg for Xwindows so you will have > > > graphics. Then install a few handy ports from the /usr/ports tree. > > > Some you will want are Firefox and Thunderbird and Openoffice, although > > >
RE: desktop app/config
What is the "terminology" that I would need to search in the handbook to get a bsd machine to authenticate with AD I have Mac machines that authenticate to our network- but that's easy to configure -Original Message- From: Sean Cavanaugh [mailto:millenia2...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:36 PM To: Jean-Paul Natola; jerr...@msu.edu Cc: questi...@freebsd.org Subject: RE: desktop app/config > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:19:09 -0500 > From: jnat...@familycareintl.org > To: millenia2...@hotmail.com; jerr...@msu.edu > CC: questi...@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: desktop app/config > > That's sounds like what I'm looking for, however, when you say login with no > user or password- I'm not sure if I like that because our fileserver is going > to have to authenticate them at some point as will access to the printers so > somewhere somehow I need a login no? > What i was refering to was having a basic user with no system authority such as deleting files and whatnot on the local machine. dont want inexperienced user screwing up a perfectly fine system. if you have a file/print server set up then you are correct and should prob use a password for the user account. i was assuming local access only. > -Original Message- > From: Sean Cavanaugh [mailto:millenia2...@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:17 PM > To: Jean-Paul Natola; jerr...@msu.edu > Cc: questi...@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: desktop app/config > > > > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:05:08 -0500 > > From: jnat...@familycareintl.org > > To: jerr...@msu.edu > > CC: questi...@freebsd.org > > Subject: RE: desktop app/config > > > > I think we went off track a bit- I do know freebsd- my mail filter is a > > FreeBSD with clam exim and sa- but I NEVER use the gui's - I want to setup > > some "recycled" machines with bsd and a gui that will be easy for a user to > > grasp- I have mac users and pc users here- > > > > But thanks for all the tips- I currently use ee for editing > > > I think what you are looking for overall would prob be a baseline install > with either Gnome or KDE installed. Personally I prefer Gnome but KDE is more > MSWindows like in its interface. You can go as far as to skin either of them > to look like MSWindows. > > setup a basic user with no system control and no password for users to log in > with and change /etc/ttys so that ttyv8 is turned on and set to GDM or KDM > (depending on which you want to use). > > Definitely configure what additional software you need installed per your > needs. > > -Sean > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Jerry McAllister [mailto:jerr...@msu.edu] > > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:00 PM > > To: Jean-Paul Natola > > Cc: questi...@freebsd.org > > Subject: Re: desktop app/config > > > > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:27:30AM -0500, Jean-Paul Natola wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I'm replacing some machines and want to setup some stations in the > library > > > running FreeBSD- > > > > > > What is the easiest for an XP user to get accustomed to and what config > do > > I > > > need so that when the machine starts (power / boot) it will automatically > > > launch the desktop gui > > > > The easiest way to get used to it is to just fully install the latest > FreeBSD > > (that is 7.1 at the moment) RELEASE, update it to RELENG_7 or RELENG_7_1 > > so it has the latest patches. Install Xorg for Xwindows so you will have > > graphics. Then install a few handy ports from the /usr/ports tree. > > Some you will want are Firefox and Thunderbird and Openoffice, although > > you may want to install Openoffice from a binary package rather than > > from ports. Openoffice is very big and building it can be daunting > > for a newbie. Some other good candidates might be Apache and Perl > > and maybe a couple of games for fun. > > > > Then, just start using it. Learn to find things you need on the system. > > and configure the network securely. There is lots of documentation in > > the FreeBSD Handbook and other places online. The more you do it, the > > more they make sense. > > > > One thing to learn is using the vi(1) text editor. There are many > > other editors, but for system management, vi is the omnipresent, > ubiquitious > > one. It is sometimes the only one available in times when bad things > > are happening. It feels rather clunky when you first start to use it > > but it quickly becomes second natu
RE: desktop app/config
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:19:09 -0500 > From: jnat...@familycareintl.org > To: millenia2...@hotmail.com; jerr...@msu.edu > CC: questi...@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: desktop app/config > > That's sounds like what I'm looking for, however, when you say login with no > user or password- I'm not sure if I like that because our fileserver is going > to have to authenticate them at some point as will access to the printers so > somewhere somehow I need a login no? > What i was refering to was having a basic user with no system authority such as deleting files and whatnot on the local machine. dont want inexperienced user screwing up a perfectly fine system. if you have a file/print server set up then you are correct and should prob use a password for the user account. i was assuming local access only. > -Original Message- > From: Sean Cavanaugh [mailto:millenia2...@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:17 PM > To: Jean-Paul Natola; jerr...@msu.edu > Cc: questi...@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: desktop app/config > > > > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:05:08 -0500 > > From: jnat...@familycareintl.org > > To: jerr...@msu.edu > > CC: questi...@freebsd.org > > Subject: RE: desktop app/config > > > > I think we went off track a bit- I do know freebsd- my mail filter is a > > FreeBSD with clam exim and sa- but I NEVER use the gui's - I want to setup > > some "recycled" machines with bsd and a gui that will be easy for a user to > > grasp- I have mac users and pc users here- > > > > But thanks for all the tips- I currently use ee for editing > > > I think what you are looking for overall would prob be a baseline install > with either Gnome or KDE installed. Personally I prefer Gnome but KDE is more > MSWindows like in its interface. You can go as far as to skin either of them > to look like MSWindows. > > setup a basic user with no system control and no password for users to log in > with and change /etc/ttys so that ttyv8 is turned on and set to GDM or KDM > (depending on which you want to use). > > Definitely configure what additional software you need installed per your > needs. > > -Sean > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Jerry McAllister [mailto:jerr...@msu.edu] > > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:00 PM > > To: Jean-Paul Natola > > Cc: questi...@freebsd.org > > Subject: Re: desktop app/config > > > > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:27:30AM -0500, Jean-Paul Natola wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I'm replacing some machines and want to setup some stations in the > library > > > running FreeBSD- > > > > > > What is the easiest for an XP user to get accustomed to and what config > do > > I > > > need so that when the machine starts (power / boot) it will automatically > > > launch the desktop gui > > > > The easiest way to get used to it is to just fully install the latest > FreeBSD > > (that is 7.1 at the moment) RELEASE, update it to RELENG_7 or RELENG_7_1 > > so it has the latest patches. Install Xorg for Xwindows so you will have > > graphics. Then install a few handy ports from the /usr/ports tree. > > Some you will want are Firefox and Thunderbird and Openoffice, although > > you may want to install Openoffice from a binary package rather than > > from ports. Openoffice is very big and building it can be daunting > > for a newbie. Some other good candidates might be Apache and Perl > > and maybe a couple of games for fun. > > > > Then, just start using it. Learn to find things you need on the system. > > and configure the network securely. There is lots of documentation in > > the FreeBSD Handbook and other places online. The more you do it, the > > more they make sense. > > > > One thing to learn is using the vi(1) text editor. There are many > > other editors, but for system management, vi is the omnipresent, > ubiquitious > > one. It is sometimes the only one available in times when bad things > > are happening. It feels rather clunky when you first start to use it > > but it quickly becomes second nature. The FreeBSD man page is pretty > > good on it. I have a web page that simplifies it a little at: > > > > http://z2.cl.msu.edu/~jerrymc/project/editvi/ > > > > There are a number of books available that help learning FreeBSD. > > > > "FreeBSD Unleashed" and "Absolute BSD" are a couple of them > > The FreeBSD Handbook which is online at the FreeBSD web sit
RE: desktop app/config
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:05:08 -0500 > From: jnat...@familycareintl.org > To: jerr...@msu.edu > CC: questi...@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: desktop app/config > > I think we went off track a bit- I do know freebsd- my mail filter is a > FreeBSD with clam exim and sa- but I NEVER use the gui's - I want to setup > some "recycled" machines with bsd and a gui that will be easy for a user to > grasp- I have mac users and pc users here- > > But thanks for all the tips- I currently use ee for editing I think what you are looking for overall would prob be a baseline install with either Gnome or KDE installed. Personally I prefer Gnome but KDE is more MSWindows like in its interface. You can go as far as to skin either of them to look like MSWindows. setup a basic user with no system control and no password for users to log in with and change /etc/ttys so that ttyv8 is turned on and set to GDM or KDM (depending on which you want to use). Definitely configure what additional software you need installed per your needs. -Sean > -Original Message- > From: Jerry McAllister [mailto:jerr...@msu.edu] > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:00 PM > To: Jean-Paul Natola > Cc: questi...@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: desktop app/config > > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:27:30AM -0500, Jean-Paul Natola wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I'm replacing some machines and want to setup some stations in the library > > running FreeBSD- > > > > What is the easiest for an XP user to get accustomed to and what config do > I > > need so that when the machine starts (power / boot) it will automatically > > launch the desktop gui > > The easiest way to get used to it is to just fully install the latest FreeBSD > (that is 7.1 at the moment) RELEASE, update it to RELENG_7 or RELENG_7_1 > so it has the latest patches. Install Xorg for Xwindows so you will have > graphics. Then install a few handy ports from the /usr/ports tree. > Some you will want are Firefox and Thunderbird and Openoffice, although > you may want to install Openoffice from a binary package rather than > from ports. Openoffice is very big and building it can be daunting > for a newbie. Some other good candidates might be Apache and Perl > and maybe a couple of games for fun. > > Then, just start using it. Learn to find things you need on the system. > and configure the network securely. There is lots of documentation in > the FreeBSD Handbook and other places online. The more you do it, the > more they make sense. > > One thing to learn is using the vi(1) text editor. There are many > other editors, but for system management, vi is the omnipresent, ubiquitious > one. It is sometimes the only one available in times when bad things > are happening.It feels rather clunky when you first start to use it > but it quickly becomes second nature. The FreeBSD man page is pretty > good on it. I have a web page that simplifies it a little at: > > http://z2.cl.msu.edu/~jerrymc/project/editvi/ > > There are a number of books available that help learning FreeBSD. > > "FreeBSD Unleashed" and "Absolute BSD" are a couple of them > The FreeBSD Handbook which is online at the FreeBSD web site and > is installed if you want it when FreeBSD is installed is quite good. > The FreeBSD site also has other documents and links listed. > > At first, it will seem a little strange. Generally FreeBSD is command > oriented, not pointy/clicky oriented. That is a much more powerful way > to administer a system, but it takes more initial learning. > > Ask questions. People on the list have already heard all the common > complaints and gripes that FreeBSD is not like MS-Win dozens of times. > The usual response is "Thank God" or something similar. Anyway, they > are not interested in hearing whines again. But, if you have a real > question about 'how to do' something or even 'why is it done this way' > and not just grousing, people on the list are usually very good about > giving answers. List people are very interested in helping people > learn, but not interested in people complaining. > > If it is a bug, post a pr. If it is a feature request, remember that > FreeBSD is created and maintained by volunteers - very smart ones - but > they have limits on time and resources so your request may take a very > long time to get attention. You may well learn how to do it yourself > and then submit it as an improvement before then. > > Good luck and have fun. > > jerry > > > > > thanx > > ___ >
RE: desktop app/config
That's sounds like what I'm looking for, however, when you say login with no user or password- I'm not sure if I like that because our fileserver is going to have to authenticate them at some point as will access to the printers so somewhere somehow I need a login no? -Original Message- From: Sean Cavanaugh [mailto:millenia2...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:17 PM To: Jean-Paul Natola; jerr...@msu.edu Cc: questi...@freebsd.org Subject: RE: desktop app/config > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:05:08 -0500 > From: jnat...@familycareintl.org > To: jerr...@msu.edu > CC: questi...@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: desktop app/config > > I think we went off track a bit- I do know freebsd- my mail filter is a > FreeBSD with clam exim and sa- but I NEVER use the gui's - I want to setup > some "recycled" machines with bsd and a gui that will be easy for a user to > grasp- I have mac users and pc users here- > > But thanks for all the tips- I currently use ee for editing I think what you are looking for overall would prob be a baseline install with either Gnome or KDE installed. Personally I prefer Gnome but KDE is more MSWindows like in its interface. You can go as far as to skin either of them to look like MSWindows. setup a basic user with no system control and no password for users to log in with and change /etc/ttys so that ttyv8 is turned on and set to GDM or KDM (depending on which you want to use). Definitely configure what additional software you need installed per your needs. -Sean > -Original Message- > From: Jerry McAllister [mailto:jerr...@msu.edu] > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:00 PM > To: Jean-Paul Natola > Cc: questi...@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: desktop app/config > > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:27:30AM -0500, Jean-Paul Natola wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I'm replacing some machines and want to setup some stations in the library > > running FreeBSD- > > > > What is the easiest for an XP user to get accustomed to and what config do > I > > need so that when the machine starts (power / boot) it will automatically > > launch the desktop gui > > The easiest way to get used to it is to just fully install the latest FreeBSD > (that is 7.1 at the moment) RELEASE, update it to RELENG_7 or RELENG_7_1 > so it has the latest patches. Install Xorg for Xwindows so you will have > graphics. Then install a few handy ports from the /usr/ports tree. > Some you will want are Firefox and Thunderbird and Openoffice, although > you may want to install Openoffice from a binary package rather than > from ports. Openoffice is very big and building it can be daunting > for a newbie. Some other good candidates might be Apache and Perl > and maybe a couple of games for fun. > > Then, just start using it. Learn to find things you need on the system. > and configure the network securely. There is lots of documentation in > the FreeBSD Handbook and other places online. The more you do it, the > more they make sense. > > One thing to learn is using the vi(1) text editor. There are many > other editors, but for system management, vi is the omnipresent, ubiquitious > one. It is sometimes the only one available in times when bad things > are happening. It feels rather clunky when you first start to use it > but it quickly becomes second nature. The FreeBSD man page is pretty > good on it. I have a web page that simplifies it a little at: > > http://z2.cl.msu.edu/~jerrymc/project/editvi/ > > There are a number of books available that help learning FreeBSD. > > "FreeBSD Unleashed" and "Absolute BSD" are a couple of them > The FreeBSD Handbook which is online at the FreeBSD web site and > is installed if you want it when FreeBSD is installed is quite good. > The FreeBSD site also has other documents and links listed. > > At first, it will seem a little strange. Generally FreeBSD is command > oriented, not pointy/clicky oriented. That is a much more powerful way > to administer a system, but it takes more initial learning. > > Ask questions. People on the list have already heard all the common > complaints and gripes that FreeBSD is not like MS-Win dozens of times. > The usual response is "Thank God" or something similar. Anyway, they > are not interested in hearing whines again. But, if you have a real > question about 'how to do' something or even 'why is it done this way' > and not just grousing, people on the list are usually very good about > giving answers. List people are very interested in helping people > learn, but not interested in people complaining. > > If it is a bug, post a pr. If it is a feature request, remember that
RE: desktop app/config
I think we went off track a bit- I do know freebsd- my mail filter is a FreeBSD with clam exim and sa- but I NEVER use the gui's - I want to setup some "recycled" machines with bsd and a gui that will be easy for a user to grasp- I have mac users and pc users here- But thanks for all the tips- I currently use ee for editing -Original Message- From: Jerry McAllister [mailto:jerr...@msu.edu] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:00 PM To: Jean-Paul Natola Cc: questi...@freebsd.org Subject: Re: desktop app/config On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:27:30AM -0500, Jean-Paul Natola wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm replacing some machines and want to setup some stations in the library > running FreeBSD- > > What is the easiest for an XP user to get accustomed to and what config do I > need so that when the machine starts (power / boot) it will automatically > launch the desktop gui The easiest way to get used to it is to just fully install the latest FreeBSD (that is 7.1 at the moment) RELEASE, update it to RELENG_7 or RELENG_7_1 so it has the latest patches. Install Xorg for Xwindows so you will have graphics. Then install a few handy ports from the /usr/ports tree. Some you will want are Firefox and Thunderbird and Openoffice, although you may want to install Openoffice from a binary package rather than from ports. Openoffice is very big and building it can be daunting for a newbie. Some other good candidates might be Apache and Perl and maybe a couple of games for fun. Then, just start using it. Learn to find things you need on the system. and configure the network securely. There is lots of documentation in the FreeBSD Handbook and other places online. The more you do it, the more they make sense. One thing to learn is using the vi(1) text editor. There are many other editors, but for system management, vi is the omnipresent, ubiquitious one. It is sometimes the only one available in times when bad things are happening.It feels rather clunky when you first start to use it but it quickly becomes second nature. The FreeBSD man page is pretty good on it. I have a web page that simplifies it a little at: http://z2.cl.msu.edu/~jerrymc/project/editvi/ There are a number of books available that help learning FreeBSD. "FreeBSD Unleashed" and "Absolute BSD" are a couple of them The FreeBSD Handbook which is online at the FreeBSD web site and is installed if you want it when FreeBSD is installed is quite good. The FreeBSD site also has other documents and links listed. At first, it will seem a little strange. Generally FreeBSD is command oriented, not pointy/clicky oriented. That is a much more powerful way to administer a system, but it takes more initial learning. Ask questions. People on the list have already heard all the common complaints and gripes that FreeBSD is not like MS-Win dozens of times. The usual response is "Thank God" or something similar. Anyway, they are not interested in hearing whines again. But, if you have a real question about 'how to do' something or even 'why is it done this way' and not just grousing, people on the list are usually very good about giving answers. List people are very interested in helping people learn, but not interested in people complaining. If it is a bug, post a pr. If it is a feature request, remember that FreeBSD is created and maintained by volunteers - very smart ones - but they have limits on time and resources so your request may take a very long time to get attention. You may well learn how to do it yourself and then submit it as an improvement before then. Good luck and have fun. jerry > > thanx > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: desktop app/config
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:27:30AM -0500, Jean-Paul Natola wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm replacing some machines and want to setup some stations in the library > running FreeBSD- > > What is the easiest for an XP user to get accustomed to and what config do I > need so that when the machine starts (power / boot) it will automatically > launch the desktop gui The easiest way to get used to it is to just fully install the latest FreeBSD (that is 7.1 at the moment) RELEASE, update it to RELENG_7 or RELENG_7_1 so it has the latest patches. Install Xorg for Xwindows so you will have graphics. Then install a few handy ports from the /usr/ports tree. Some you will want are Firefox and Thunderbird and Openoffice, although you may want to install Openoffice from a binary package rather than from ports. Openoffice is very big and building it can be daunting for a newbie. Some other good candidates might be Apache and Perl and maybe a couple of games for fun. Then, just start using it. Learn to find things you need on the system. and configure the network securely. There is lots of documentation in the FreeBSD Handbook and other places online. The more you do it, the more they make sense. One thing to learn is using the vi(1) text editor. There are many other editors, but for system management, vi is the omnipresent, ubiquitious one. It is sometimes the only one available in times when bad things are happening.It feels rather clunky when you first start to use it but it quickly becomes second nature. The FreeBSD man page is pretty good on it. I have a web page that simplifies it a little at: http://z2.cl.msu.edu/~jerrymc/project/editvi/ There are a number of books available that help learning FreeBSD. "FreeBSD Unleashed" and "Absolute BSD" are a couple of them The FreeBSD Handbook which is online at the FreeBSD web site and is installed if you want it when FreeBSD is installed is quite good. The FreeBSD site also has other documents and links listed. At first, it will seem a little strange. Generally FreeBSD is command oriented, not pointy/clicky oriented. That is a much more powerful way to administer a system, but it takes more initial learning. Ask questions. People on the list have already heard all the common complaints and gripes that FreeBSD is not like MS-Win dozens of times. The usual response is "Thank God" or something similar. Anyway, they are not interested in hearing whines again. But, if you have a real question about 'how to do' something or even 'why is it done this way' and not just grousing, people on the list are usually very good about giving answers. List people are very interested in helping people learn, but not interested in people complaining. If it is a bug, post a pr. If it is a feature request, remember that FreeBSD is created and maintained by volunteers - very smart ones - but they have limits on time and resources so your request may take a very long time to get attention. You may well learn how to do it yourself and then submit it as an improvement before then. Good luck and have fun. jerry > > thanx > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: desktop app/config
In response to "Jean-Paul Natola" : > Hi all, > > I'm replacing some machines and want to setup some stations in the library > running FreeBSD- > > What is the easiest for an XP user to get accustomed to and what config do I > need so that when the machine starts (power / boot) it will automatically > launch the desktop gui Both KDE and Gnome should feel pretty familiar to an XP user. The handbook has some useful docs: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11-wm.html See the section about the kde display manager for example. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
